My Advisors Said To Quit- Should I? | Ask Dr. Gray Ep. 167
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ก.ค. 2024
- This student's premed advisors told her that she needed to find a different career path because of her grades. Let's see what I think.
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I think her advisors were honestly just trying to save her money and avoid her going into debt because as it stands the odds are stacked against her. Hopefully she can make the comeback if she does go forward.
Dr. Grays delivery is so blunt 😭 especially towards the end of the video
Dr. Gray is correct, nobody should tell you what you can and cannot do. If I had listened to everyone along my path who told me to give up, do something else, I wouldn't be where I am right now, about to start residency this summer. Please don't give up, listen to people who will help you take the next steps.
This one was so hard to watch. Getting into medical school will always be as hard as it is, or even harder in the future. She needs to really dial in and focus on why it is that she can’t get an A in her science classes. If they are very difficult for her, she needs get stubborn and just learn it as if her life literally depends on it. This was just so hard to watch. Everyone knows the number of hoops we all jump through, no one is going to hold your hand through them… you need to just do it. I want to have empathy for her but focus, consistency and resiliency is lacking. She can do it but she needs to understand the sometimes harsh and sometimes uncomfortable reality of this path. We all heard in Dr. Gray’s voice too.
My undergrad GPA overall was 2.47 and I will be attending US MD school this fall. I did post bacc with 3.7 sGPA AND started an MS in Anatomy to get there, but it is possible.
Nice, congratulations.
Congrats thats that’s inspiring.
How long was your post bacc
@@chideraagugo517 post bacc was 3-4 semesters but the MS I signed up for was accelerated 1 year, which I honestly wouldn't recommend doing so, unless it is your only choice.
@@NatGamingWild yea I’ve been trying to map out what to do but congratulations though
This was rough to watch but he’s right
She's not listening. It is painful how much she is not listening to what he is saying.
This was all I can think about watching this
My freshman year of UG, I got a 3.57 GPA. My premed advisor told me I didn’t qualify to get into med school. FRESHMAN YEAR! Her reason was that my gpa wasn’t good enough for most schools. She didn’t even tell me if I improved I would have a better shot. I left and transferred to a different school. Second advisor told me to basically forget med school with the same gpa. I kept improving, but Junior year, my grades dipped and so did my gpa. Both semesters. But I picked up senior year and applied to 2 med schools last year. Got accepted into 1. And that’s with a gpa lower than the 3.57 I had as a freshman. Advisors don’t get to decide your fate. You have some control over that, not them.
Great Job! Advisors don't dictate your fate. You have to put your foot down and decide to take control of your future to make your dreams come true.
A 3.57 GPA isn't bad, unlike what your advisors are saying. I don't know why your advisors are saying "forget med school"; that's stupid of them. Other factors like the MCAT, rigor of curriculum (e.g., a 3.57 GPA in a rigorous program to me clearly shows more academic capability than a 3.7 in a major consisting only of easy humanities classes), and shadowing/leadership/clinical experience/research/letters of recommendation. I agree with the advisors that a 3.57 GPA isn't great, but it's good enough to show medical schools that you have the academic ability to pass med school.
I needed to hear this because my advisor told me I could not handle what was in my major. Working towards my goal of becoming a DO.
@@venkatachengalvala4289 oh yeah… I was an engineering major at the time, then graduated with a BS in Math and computer sciences. Despite my GPA, other factors played a huge role. I was an army medic for 4 years, community leader for my community in Colorado Springs, volunteering hours, and had lots of shadowing hours too. I’d consistently maintained a 4.0 my senior year and beyond.
@@j572y479 I’m happy for you and what you have accomplished. Good luck with medical school and beyond. :)
Sometimes you have to be brutally honest with yourself to reach your goals. He was kind but had to be honest.
Just in case the student reads the comments, I felt lost in earlier parts of my premed journey and can relate to some things you mentioned, and I wanted to share thoughts that maybe can help you.
You seem like a kind young lady who has persevered through difficult personal challenges. Now that you are wiser, it is time for you to set boundaries and create a healthy and happy life for yourself. Your perseverance will help you towards your professional goals, but make sure you focus on enjoying the journey and taking care of yourself. Just to restate some of the things Dr. Gray touched on to offer another voice of support in case you are feeling alone and isolated in your experiences, it seems the past few years were challenging on many fronts (academics, family, financial and personal). That is OK. We cannot control what life throws at us, but we can control our reactions. The past is in the past and cannot be changed, like Dr. Gray said, so focus on what you can do now and do not forget to enjoy the journey of life. It seems you have a solid plan for the coming year: work as an EMT to gain clinical experience. Then, it seems you will pursue a DIY postbacc (taking prerequisites at a community college or state university). That is a solid plan, so keep working towards that.
I do think you should really think about why you want to pursue medicine specifically, especially since you do not have any clinical experience or shadowing. If your motivation for pursuing medicine is something like "wanting to help people" or "appreciating what physicians have done for a loved one or yourself," that is a good start, but it is not enough to mean that medicine is the path for you or that you would make a good physician. I know people who had those motivations and pursued careers in healthcare administration or nursing. Why medicine specifically is the question you need to answer? Make sure you have a realistic idea of medicine and not an idealistic one.
It seems you were put off by the idea of pursuing nursing. There are other health professions that are fulfilling careers that you should read about (nursing, physician assistants, optometrists, radiation therapists, etc). Many PA schools, for example, require ~1,000 hours of clinical experience (which you would get from being an EMT) and accept community college prereqs. Weigh the pros and cons. Not saying that you should not be a doctor, but if you do not have a real understanding of what the differences/similarities between a physician and the other health professions are, then you really should look into them. It is also a question that medical schools sometimes ask in interviews ("Why medicine and not another healthcare profession")
Sending positivity!
She def needs to reflect in order to figure out a few things:
1) why is she struggling in any/all of her classes
2) what learning environ works best for her
3) have a tough convo w/ herself n ask - “am I really doing everything I can to succeed”
4) what’s her “why” for pursuing Medicine
N maybe consider graduating, taking a year or 2 off, solely work a job & gain clinical experience, n then come back to the drawing board in a couple years
Side note - I’m a 30-year old non-trad student.. nearly 2 years (5 semesters) into classes. Wrapping up orgo 2 & taking biochemistry in the summer as my final class before starting 3-4 months of rigorous MCAT prep…
-> I moved back in w/ my parents, work 2 days a week bartending (fri/sat nights), went on public assistance, and have consistently had to dedicate 30-40 hours/week of studying during these 5 semesters to earn around a 3.4-3.5 cum science GPA…. I definitely do NOT say this to brag, but rather, to paint a picture of what sacrifices actually look like… not to mention, I have severe ADHD (yes I’m properly medicated). I just have to work harder & smarter than the average person and have to keep learning how I learn best…. ANY person that operates at a healthy, functional baseline CAN get into medical school… it just takes a lot of work, sacrifice, some tears, a support system, healthy coping mechanisms, self-care, and TIME in order to get there
Side note - I’m a 30-year old non-trad student.. nearly 2 years (5 semesters) into classes. Wrapping up orgo 2 & taking biochemistry in the summer as my final class before starting 3-4 months of rigorous MCAT prep…
-> I moved back in w/ my parents, work 2 days a week bartending (fri/sat nights), went on public assistance, and have consistently had to dedicate 30-40 hours/week of studying during these 5 semesters to earn around a 3.4-3.5 cum science GPA…. I definitely do NOT say this to brag, but rather, to paint a picture of what sacrifices actually look like… not to mention, I have severe ADHD (yes I’m properly medicated). I just have to work harder & smarter than the average person and have to keep learning how I learn best…. ANY person that operates at a healthy, functional baseline CAN get into medical school… it just takes a lot of work, sacrifice, some tears, a support system, healthy coping mechanisms, self-care, and TIME in order to get there
I was in a relatively similar situation four years ago. However, in a few months I’ll be moving to California and beginning my MD program with a full ride. It has been a journey with ups and downs but it has taught me a lot about myself.
Omggg where r u doing it congratss
This was painful to watch. The reason med schools make us jump through hoops and throw all these hurdles is to weed out people who can’t take it. You have to have a a tough mental game. Hope she gets some clarity and pulls through.
You think they are gonna call it a sob story if you show them your 3.9 + 520? The world respect winners. What do you expect the advisors to say when they see your grade? You shouldn't blame their reaction and then say it hurts. Crying over what they said won't help. Feels like you just have to hear confirmation from Dr. Gray to make you feel better. Would you stop living in your feelings and instead live in reality? If you were in charge of medical school application would you accept you?? Go prove you are academically capable to become a doctor and that your intelligence level and dedication can be trusted by patients.
I'm happy that he is not judgmental but will help you to become a better student. That's amazing! We don't know what she has gone through, so it's not good to judge but there is still hope to improve her GPA, gain clinical experience & research opportunities, etc. I know that for me, this pandemic was stressful, and I didn't have the best semester in the Fall. I improved my grades by taking fewer classes and going part-time. I had to be honest with myself. Go at your own pace. People are going to judge but do what works best for you. Have an upward trend and don't give up! Little progress is still progress. I'm far from perfect but I can say that I have become a better student this semester and still working on finding ways to improve as a student. Whether you become a DO or MD, you can still do this.
In her case, I would recommend two option. First, she can repeat her foundational courses required for medical school and then seek a postbac program. Second, she can seek another new undergraduate major (and that's the best option in my opinion)
She doesn't know what the heck shes getting herself into. Most premeds cannot contemplate the gravity of the years, cost, and uncle sam stealing your paycheck . . . until you probably become a resident or the loans start towering over you. @ 13:56 she really has no idea what she's getting herself into.
Dr. Gray should hire someone to extend his company into a separate channel that weighs in on the truth of the business of medicine. This girl is getting herself in more traps than a new player in Elden ring. She is at the point where making a comeback should really be weighed out. Time and money are the two most important factors in this endurance race.
My pre-med advisor told me that I wasn't cut out for any career in healthcare, maybe an EMT or a CNA/tech.....now after being an ICU RN and critical care paramedic, I'm trying for medical school in spite of my lousy grades......yes, med school isn't for everyone and the competition is insanely tough, but you won't ever know if you don't try.....
First, what is lousy? (Many people put too much value in the number rather than the trend, which usually is more important than the number itself). A 3.2 GPA (without a strong upward trend) or any higher GPA (but with a downward trend) is lousy. But, a 3.55 GPA probably isn't lousy (as long as there's no clear downward trend). A 3.2 GPA (with a strong upward trend, ending with a 3.7+ GPA in the final year or post-bac) is most likely fine. Advisors often overlook your ability to start an upward trend (which almost everyone can do given that they fix the underlying issues) and the importance of the upward trend.
@@venkatachengalvala4289 My undergrad GPA is below 2.5 so when I say lousy, I mean exactly that unlike others who say their lives are over and they have a 3.7 and above.
@@ingothitrust5248 Then, you have a lot of work to do (though you can still become a doctor if you put in a lot of hard and smart work).
I would first suggest reflecting on what caused you to perform poorly in undergrad. After you fix it, I would slowly start your postbac taking 1-2 science classes at a time and figuring out the study strategies that work for you. (I would start with repeating the medical school prereqs like Intro Bio and Gen Chem before taking more advanced classes so that you get the needed foundational knowledge/skills.) Then, once you get a handle on it, I would recommend a postbac (if this is financially feasible) or an SMP (if a postbac isn't feasible financially) with 40-50 BCPM science credits at as close to a 4.0 as possible.
How hard the
@@venkatachengalvala4289 kind of hard to get into a post bacc program when virtually all of them wont accept prospective gpas of less than 3.0 to 3.2
@@ingothitrust5248 Then, I think a DIY (do it yourself) postbac or taking (science) classes at a community college is the best option (after you resolved the issues that led to your poor undergrad GPA).
Omg I needed this so much since I'm in a similar situation, thank you!
whatss the updatee
Also, maybe she should go to a community college and do a DIY post bacc in order to improve her transcript. She has to be more driven and determined. Maybe find a good support system because I get it that some family members are not understanding and can be inconsiderate. But, work hard.
Advisors are only going to give their efforts to the best and brightest.
Fr? As an incoming freshman this is interesting
I feel bad for the student. I would reccomend that the student take less classes at a time. The student should just do one major. Cultural factors seem to play a role here. This student,s family should not make the student feel like she should sacrifice her dreams, her education, or her career, for them. They should be supporting her dreams to graduate from college, earn her undergraduate degree, fix her weaknesses in her application, and then apply to medical school. My family did not do this exact thing to me but they have done things to me that were similair. I do not think someone,s family doing that to them is fair or appropriate.
At most if you really want it study in another country try to find a credible one. That's what I'll do along with understanding the med school before hand so that it won't be that tough based on the gpa you might need a longer span to learn. Maybe go to a lower rated med school like Russia and turkey that's cheap and transfer to higher level like in UK and Sweden. There's many uturns to this
WOW! could you plot a link to the video/story of Chad? That was very Inspiring. How old was he?
I also had to separate myself from my family in order to succeed.
Omg peoud of u sis
if she's never had time to do quality school work, it wasn't time to do school. the first Cs and Ds in back to back semesters should've been a sign to dropout. one semester is fine, but when it becomes the norm, don't just keep taking classes trying to push through. i was double majoring and at the last minute i decided to change one major to a minor and graduated, so it's possible. her advisors and family aren't being mean, they are being realistic. she needs to stop and take more than one year. she needs to get settled in life and do some maturing. revisit this medicine thing further down the line
NO ONE CAN TELL YOU NO!
Except the medical schools lol
Okay that little dig at her about not going to office hours and saying "oh I can see that reflected in your grades" that was pretty mean I would say
I mean, it’s the truth. She’s probably taken 25+ courses and has never been close with a professor or gone to office hours once a week
@@MrTbone623 i love him but hes harsh LOL
if this girl really wants to be a doctor, than that is what she needs to hear
It blows my mind people pay all this money for college and don’t try to attend office hours. If she cared about her grades, she would have went.
@@marye3957 He is actually too nice in my opinion. Rewatch this video and watch all his other videos and see that he is quite supportive of students
With all due respect, I would like to say that based on her conduct during this particular chat session with Dr. Gray, she does not seem to have strong analytical reasoning skills. In my humble opinion, it is entirely probable that her advisors had noted this crucial and remarkable deficit. The synergistic effect of her subpar grades, and weak real-time reasoning skills, objectively, does not make her a good candidate for succeeding in medical school.
Wow 🥺
She is screwed
She will have to start over
Why is she wearing a mask when she’s alone in her home and she’s talking to Dr. G thru video?
Very strange
Probably for privacy I’m assuming
Who cares? Maybe she's around other people in the house. Maybe she wants a bit of privacy.
Why do YOU care?
@@DavidGreeneMtgJudge He just asked a question because it is weird to wear a mask for a video interview.
I agree that she might be around vulnerable people or maybe she just wants to hide her face. Only she knows.
@@Frankvega96 Sure, he's just asking a question. There is no judgement to be inferred at all by those questions. It's not a veiled judgement of someone being very vulnerable and helping others by publicly talking about their struggles.
Then again... I was just asking a question. Why do they care? Why does it matter? Hm.
I just wanna know why you’re wearing a Mask indoors?
I was thinking maybe she is living with someone vulnerable or maybe she is in another place where masks are required. I don’t know. Wearing a mask at home doesn’t make much sense.
@First Last she gave her name and her transcripts lol