3D Printed Upgrades for the Marvel Legends PS5 Spider-Man 2

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  • เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ม.ค. 2025

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  • @CraftyGecko
    @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Credit to Kyle on Instagram for the huge inspiration! instagram.com/kyle.c1997?igsh=cGo0eHJhdmd3aXdm

  • @danielmontero8200
    @danielmontero8200 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    Absolutely incredible job on the arms! They look great. Disappointed on how bad Hasbro dropped the ball with the Marvel's Spider-Man 2 Peter Marvel Legends figure.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Thank you! Its such a shame, they did so well on the original miles sculpt wise but only gave a new head for this one

    • @danielmontero8200
      @danielmontero8200 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@CraftyGecko No problem. I was hoping to see Hasbro put the same level of effort as they did with the Miles figure. It's super disappointing for me because I love the advanced suit 2.0. So much better than the first advanced suit in my opinion.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yeah I completely agree

  • @CraftyGecko
    @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +18

    The arms aren't on etsy yet but they will be after I make the modifications mentioned in the video

    • @JaquanJingle
      @JaquanJingle ปีที่แล้ว

      How much would the arms cost when they go on etsy?

    • @jaimecortes5973
      @jaimecortes5973 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Can you please add it to your shop or the shop you out in the description please

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      @jaimecortes5973 that is etsy, and they are not ready yet

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@JaquanJingle I would probability sell them for £16 but I need to see howmuch they cost to make first

    • @JaquanJingle
      @JaquanJingle ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko alright

  • @Spider-Drip
    @Spider-Drip ปีที่แล้ว +14

    WAS NOT EXPECTING THIS TO DROP (I am excited to see what you do with this figure next)

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Gotta make the most out of the figure while it's relevant 😅

  • @Archer_Rico
    @Archer_Rico ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow the way to put the arms on the back with that little clip is freaking genius

    • @Archer_Rico
      @Archer_Rico ปีที่แล้ว

      I would so buy those arms

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! I think I saw it on Instagram for something else but it worked really well. I'll have them for sale by next week

    • @Archer_Rico
      @Archer_Rico ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko sweet I just bought the Andrew Garfield mask hand!!

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!

  • @imusie8545
    @imusie8545 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’m so excited for you to drop the waldos. Ive been searching for alternatives to use so you’re literally my savior

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm aiming to have working ones by the end of the week

    • @imusie8545
      @imusie8545 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko Cant wait!!!

  • @MikeH7186
    @MikeH7186 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude you are clever as hell. These mods from the web shooters to the wings to the legs. So impressive.

  • @Spider-Drip
    @Spider-Drip ปีที่แล้ว +4

    You should definitely make some web-Wings for the Miles Morales Figure

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I will be doing that in his upgrade video! There's a nice red gradient on his

  • @thecollector616
    @thecollector616 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That blue was a great touch

  • @Reach008
    @Reach008 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You say you’re going to sell the arms is a god send because Peter needs them to complete the look

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm still working on getting them set for proper selling but they're getting there

  • @sickooXR
    @sickooXR ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This was fire! Great job 🎉

  • @VoyagerOfTheVeil
    @VoyagerOfTheVeil ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i love that you have the Adam Savage ruler tattoo c:

  • @czms922
    @czms922 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My algorithm is killing me! I'm so SO close to just buying a 3D Printer for this stuff

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Honestly if you can afford to get a printer then go for it, but if you don't have much experience 3d modelling don't expect to be making complex parts, that was a mistake I made when I started

  • @paulmccarthy3802
    @paulmccarthy3802 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I get quite excited when you post a video 😅. You're becoming one of my favourite customisers. I've followed your etsy. These waldows are fantastic. I would love to see you tackle a set of articulated claws for Doc Oc .... I'd buy in a heartbeat !! 👏👏😎.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much! That means a lot, I'll take a look into the doc oc claws!

    • @paulmccarthy3802
      @paulmccarthy3802 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@CraftyGecko thank you 🤞😎

  • @dustinporval8491
    @dustinporval8491 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Awesome! I did this too but I used some spare waldos from a broken figuarts, when you repaint the blue be really carefull around the back logo, I found it really hard to paint around

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh nice! And thank you!

  • @marvelouskee9619
    @marvelouskee9619 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    sick my dude

  • @HighgiveJAX
    @HighgiveJAX ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro those spider arms are so cool!

  • @theokgamer5343
    @theokgamer5343 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I think you should paint the blue black on spidery it would look pretty dope

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      That would look really cool! But I think I'm going to paint him with a more accurate blue

  • @speedfreak91
    @speedfreak91 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That looks so incredibly cool, I'm sorry it got damaged that'd be rough. But wow that is so so cool I'm extremely impressed.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much!

    • @speedfreak91
      @speedfreak91 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko of course!

  • @microwaveyplanty3138
    @microwaveyplanty3138 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Very impressive, you should attempt to make some of his gadgets like a spider-drone or his phone.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is a good suggestion!

  • @endeavoer
    @endeavoer ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are planning on making a version that uses the hole plug on the back of figures to hold the arms?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I could definitely look into it!

    • @endeavoer
      @endeavoer ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko that would be awesome

  • @ahadayub
    @ahadayub ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is really good you should try make Peter in his Anti venom suit

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! I would really like to

  • @batguy9287
    @batguy9287 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would love to see you sculpt the spider and give it a repaint, great work!

  • @gyalis
    @gyalis ปีที่แล้ว

    That back clip was genius

  • @markhorvath6876
    @markhorvath6876 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey! Great job! Are you planing to sell the 3d model too?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you! Unfortunately I won't be selling my files anymore as another customiser has bought my files and sold them off as his own, such a shame that the greed of one person has ruined it for everyone else

    • @markhorvath6876
      @markhorvath6876 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko Damn that's disappointing. Sorry I didn't know. Still Im looking forward for your next videos! Especially the painting of the figure

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Its such a shame, I liked being able to give people the files for much cheaper than the actual items to help the community out, some of my files even used to be free

  • @Gracefullvalue
    @Gracefullvalue ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I made the spider arms with straws before you but for a ps5 controller

    • @Gracefullvalue
      @Gracefullvalue ปีที่แล้ว +1

      But your is a little better quality

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They look really good! I just went and watched

    • @Gracefullvalue
      @Gracefullvalue ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you I think you just got a new subscriber

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks!

    • @Gracefullvalue
      @Gracefullvalue ปีที่แล้ว +1

      anytime

  • @frostblock2.015
    @frostblock2.015 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you planning on repainting the advanced suit 2.0 cause the suit is missing two lines that is in the upper torso like a blue line I don't how to describe it but you can search up the suit and compare it to the fig to the game model

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes I am, that's one of my next videos. Maybe not the very next but one of the next couple

  • @adamburgess311
    @adamburgess311 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I can’t find the spider arms on your Etsy

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      The pinned comment explains this 🙂

    • @adamburgess311
      @adamburgess311 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko oh guess I am dumb sometimes I just don’t look and stuff and think

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thats ok, I have days like that too

    • @adamburgess311
      @adamburgess311 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko 👍🏻

  • @jstergraphics23
    @jstergraphics23 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is just beautiful! Makes this figure so much better. Do you plan on selling the Spider Legs as well?
    And you said your gonna repaint the figure are you gonna make it accurate to the game? By adding the blue lines on the torso?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you! I will be selling it them soon. I'll be repainting it and adding some sculpt to make it more accurate

    • @seanpak-n5w
      @seanpak-n5w ปีที่แล้ว +1

      how much will the legs be?

  • @Mrpolarbear338
    @Mrpolarbear338 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I need these for my stop motion videos but 3-D printers are so expensive 😭😭😭

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      I sell the webwings on my etsy and I'll have the legs there soon too

  • @LegoBray
    @LegoBray ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can we buy the spider arms? I didn’t see any on your Etsy shop

    • @LegoBray
      @LegoBray ปีที่แล้ว

      I would buy those unpainted and unassembled for 12-20$ any day

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, im still trouble shooting a couple issues

  • @hanzo_hasashi5
    @hanzo_hasashi5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is sick !!!!!

  • @Spider_Lad
    @Spider_Lad ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Question will the metal arm be on sale?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes, I think i explain towards the end of the video the modifications I'll need to make to it before it's ready to sell

  • @thecrafthashira4121
    @thecrafthashira4121 หลายเดือนก่อน

    make one for the iron spider from mcu too man it would be lit

  • @Infamous-Doom1
    @Infamous-Doom1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Can you do a tutorial on how to make these

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This is the tutorial. My laptop isn't strong enough to run recording software so I can't record my designing process

  • @Kadarius-s4p
    @Kadarius-s4p ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Like the finger nail polish

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you! I've got fun ones for the next video

  • @_INKY_THE_IDIOT
    @_INKY_THE_IDIOT ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Do you think it would be possible to make the logo look a tiny bit 3d so it can match with miles better

  • @aidangarcia7698
    @aidangarcia7698 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How much will the legs cost? Srry ur etsy store is closed, so i dont know.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      I havent actually sold any yet so there currently isn't a confirmed price

  • @user-ii9rh5ze7c
    @user-ii9rh5ze7c ปีที่แล้ว

    We need more people like this at Hasbro.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If they're hiring I'll take a job 👀

  • @Akaza885
    @Akaza885 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can’t find the legs on the store

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Theyre not for sale

  • @Riom2500
    @Riom2500 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is straight fire! Any word on when it goes up on etsy?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm hoping to have them working by the end of the week with stock ready before the new year

    • @godzilla747
      @godzilla747 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CraftyGeckowill you sell the files ?

  • @ShadowKing_1400_YT
    @ShadowKing_1400_YT ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Cool but I would give him a repaint to make him more accurate to the game

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, thats my plan for another video

  • @davidescalera9299
    @davidescalera9299 ปีที่แล้ว

    a thing of beauty

  • @darthjarjar167
    @darthjarjar167 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing great job!

  • @apt_curve4
    @apt_curve4 ปีที่แล้ว

    The iron arms are TOO GOOD for the figure🕷️

  • @Gaku1k
    @Gaku1k ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You should make some effects for ps5 miles yoo

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      I will be giving him web wings too

    • @Gaku1k
      @Gaku1k ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGeckonice!

  • @SoniaIslam-hu3ow
    @SoniaIslam-hu3ow 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Can you bro pls do the same with sh figuarts Spider-man ps5 and also make a black suit. Pls love yyour work.❤

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thank you! I don't have the shf unfortunately, and it's a little out of my price range. I have done a black suit but im editing it at the moment

  • @rayalbanese8056
    @rayalbanese8056 ปีที่แล้ว

    When will this be available dude????

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      I'm hoping to have some up this week

  • @Krish.Spider-man
    @Krish.Spider-man ปีที่แล้ว

    I couldn't find the iron arms on ur etsy, are they on there yet? i found the web wings tho

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      No, the updates to the file that I mentioned are something that could take some time

    • @Krish.Spider-man
      @Krish.Spider-man ปีที่แล้ว

      k, thanks@@CraftyGecko

  • @Tired213
    @Tired213 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Amazing 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @Josh-Greene
    @Josh-Greene ปีที่แล้ว

    Are the Arms on your Etsy store? I can’t find them.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      They're not yet, I still need to modify the file

  • @arsenalprime6933
    @arsenalprime6933 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have any tips on modeling and printing ball joints? I bought a 3d printer and want to start making my own figs

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Resin printers aren't the best for ball joints because stamdard resisns can wear down quickly, that being said, 0.3mm is the tolerance I tend to use. If the ball is 5mm, the socket should be 5.3mm. Same rule applies for pegs and connections. Socket wise, you want it to come just past the widest part of the ball, that way it's a solid hold but can be popped in and out easily. I also put cuts in sockets sometimes so the resin has enough flex to take the ball. I hope this helps!

    • @arsenalprime6933
      @arsenalprime6933 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGeckoit does thanks!

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      No problem!

  • @caseymarcum1338
    @caseymarcum1338 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's been 10 months. Please post them

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  หลายเดือนก่อน

      They weren't durable enough

  • @sweetchildomusicians4621
    @sweetchildomusicians4621 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Here before this goes viral

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      What is happening?! This video had gone mad 🤣

  • @kindacarnage6154
    @kindacarnage6154 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dude, my jaw literally dropped when I saw them chromed. Would have definitely wanted something like this if I cared to buy the actual figure. I honestly think a repaint and maybe a new head sculpt (having seen some of your other work) would give this figure an entire new feel.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much! I would love to try another headsculpt, just not sure I'll have time to do it with all the other work but I really appreciate your support!

  • @rajsharma2283
    @rajsharma2283 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey is it possible if you could work something out similar to this for the MCU Iron Spider , i had the 2 pack one but it was flimsy and broke too
    P.s. do make a community post about this iron arms when they out for sale ,coz these r lit

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      I might be able to at some point in the future, I'll be sure to do a community post for the legs

  • @JC-kb9wc
    @JC-kb9wc ปีที่แล้ว

    VERY great upgrade. Way better then Hasbro made

  • @Tuote02
    @Tuote02 ปีที่แล้ว

    Amazing!

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks!

    • @Tuote02
      @Tuote02 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko :)

  • @airoh_collects
    @airoh_collects ปีที่แล้ว

    Would you sell those arms on your store?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes once I've made some fixes to them

  • @Riom2500
    @Riom2500 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Are you still going to sell these?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No, they ended up being too fragile. The stl files are on cgtrader

  • @hlebron982
    @hlebron982 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Looks better the Hasbro stuff lol. Impressive

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha thanks!

  • @geektron_prime
    @geektron_prime 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Would you sell the web wings stl?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I dont have it anymore unfortunately. I lost it in the transfer if laptops, all I have is the print file on my printer

  • @yaboinuggy1663
    @yaboinuggy1663 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bro u gotta start selling these

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      I do sell the wings, the leps will be available soon

    • @Mrpolarbear338
      @Mrpolarbear338 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGeckolegs*

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha legs yes

  • @Ace-vh6so
    @Ace-vh6so ปีที่แล้ว

    Great job on the custom! But, to be honest, NOTHING is saving this figure man, Marvel Legends literally created the PERFECT PS5 Miles figure, thats this figure just looks out of place next to him

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you, yeah it looks really out of place, I'm going to give it a full workout and hope I can bring it closer to miles standard

  • @JoedEzekiel069
    @JoedEzekiel069 ปีที่แล้ว

    Sorry but the fig can't be saved.

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Not with that attitude it can't

    • @JoedEzekiel069
      @JoedEzekiel069 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko it's too buff

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      It is, but if someone was willing to put in the work they could fix it

  • @evergreyjoey
    @evergreyjoey ปีที่แล้ว

    what resins did you use for the parts?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Its just standard 3d printing resin

    • @evergreyjoey
      @evergreyjoey ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko dont the parts break when you try to articulate them?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      No because they articulate at the white joints

    • @evergreyjoey
      @evergreyjoey ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko Ah sorry, I thought you used a different type of resin to print the joints. So did you have to buy the joints and if yes where can you get some?

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Theyre bought from hobby plaza I think?

  • @picoriboi9099
    @picoriboi9099 ปีที่แล้ว

    Gimme now!

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Haha not yet, there's more work to be done

  • @alexisislas-gonzalez5991
    @alexisislas-gonzalez5991 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How did you get the other open hands

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      The select spidey, thats one of the mods I'm talking about at the beginning of the video

  • @yaboinuggy1663
    @yaboinuggy1663 ปีที่แล้ว

    IIII NEEEEEED THIIIIIIS

  • @DEX0
    @DEX0 ปีที่แล้ว

    I wish I have 3d printer😞

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      Theyre very useful, but I only got mine because a car reversed into me and I was given an insurance payout

    • @DEX0
      @DEX0 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@CraftyGecko zamn I really need 3d printing to make spiderman headsculpt 😫

  • @abrashshahzad2552
    @abrashshahzad2552 ปีที่แล้ว

    That $40 spider man was not worth it 😢

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว

      It really wasn't. They dropped the ball hard on this one

  • @chat_Black
    @chat_Black ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ❤👍😎

  • @HunterWilliams-py2bt
    @HunterWilliams-py2bt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The sad part about this is people LIKE EVERY PERSON DOES THIS WAY BETTER THAN HASBRO. Hasbro you need to step up its sad that we have to watch SOMEONE REDO YOURE MISTAKES. But overall this is a good video!

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! It is frustrating that they need fixing but I do enjoy the process

    • @HunterWilliams-py2bt
      @HunterWilliams-py2bt 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CraftyGecko Ikr its sad to see you do all the work that hasbro can never make bc there lazy

  • @angel-zd1mk
    @angel-zd1mk ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Holy fart dude

    • @CraftyGecko
      @CraftyGecko  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jesus farts?

    • @Spider-Drip
      @Spider-Drip ปีที่แล้ว

      ​@@CraftyGeckonever thought about that