For me 100 hp is enough, it's the better suspension I want..... But at 10k I will take the extra 50%... What happens if the sp is better on track than the r9 ? I doubt it with that 6 axis imu... But what if ?
Im a yank so you may not want to hear my opinion but, I know how to fix it. Get your family into motorcycles. Get your women into motorcycles. Be inclusive find and explain neccesity vs vanity. Your BMW's are 300 to 400 percent more expensive than their equivalent bikes. We have done this to ourselves. Of course its hard to move bikes when they are trying to pus 30k msrp. Apple car play adaptive suspension adjustable ride height 4 way color phone screens remote keyless luggage. Every single one of these has contributed in a MAJOR way to the downfall of a leisure activity for the every man. When you approach your shiny luxury motorcycles and bang em up as the be all end all despite the true performance being relatively the same. Impressionable people who are ill informed take away the opinion that stat sheets or fancy electronic nonsense is a status symbol. So anyway in short be informative to your friends and new riders about what is worth your money and whats not. Otherwise we will continue this downhill fuckfest of people going tits up in a 30k loan on a superbike they cant even ride within 1/10th of its potential. End rant
Bang on brother, I am currently looking to sell my tame Gen 3 1290 Duke r coz its not as scary as my previous Gen 2 version. I am gonna get an old Hyabusa with no modes and sweepy clocks
The way the world is going, I don't think the powers that be want us riding nice bikes. It's going to end up a luxury hobby like owning and riding horses, just for the rich. Eventually I can see us getting priced out of our love of bikes, causing us to live smaller lives in the name of progress.
Couldn’t have said it better. Even with cars now as well it’s a brochure comparison. Oh but my numbers on the paper are higher! I need that for the 750 miles I ride a year because I’m terrified of it!
I went and checked, motorcycles sales is down more than 20% since 2017 theft if only down by 7% since 2017 theft is only down because there are less motorcycles on the road to steal hahahha what a joke
First time I’ve ever seen Tommy Bridewell look like he was on the ragged edge. That was the very best motorsport spectacle I’ve ever seen, anywhere. Superb way to end a season. 👏👏👏👏
Los Angeles being a very expensive city and horrible traffic. The motorcycle is the perfect vehicle. Liability insurance is legal. Being very cheap, land splitting is legal and parking is basically free anywhere….and we have some absolutely killer twisties all over the local mountains. And I ride 365 days a year🙂👍🏻
I own a small family run bike shop and it’s difficult times we’re in. Thankfully we have local customers who appreciate good honest customer service and come back time and time again. Without them and our reputation we too would go under. We can only hope better times are to come.
Everyone knows the UK has gone to complete shit. As much as most of us love owning a bike it’s becoming almost pointless for the average Joe, the price of bikes now is a sick joke, insurance cost, the roads are absolute garbage & dangerous, theft is a massive problem (despite the probably fudged figures saying otherwise) and the age old UK issue, the weather.
Also at least around London many boroughs are starting to charge bikes similar parking fees to cars and TFL now planning to charge bikes to use the old Blackwall tunnel as well as the new one. If these go ahead it will just spread to other cities and areas.
Sadly not surprised dealers are going bust. Triumph Oxford have zero interest in selling unless you walk over to them and say "I want to order this bike..." and BMW, Ducati etc are all pricing their bikes higher than a VW Golf. Not many can afford the prices of most newer bikes (though that new hornet sp looks spectacular!)
Agree. Tried to px my old bike with several dealers and none of them showed any interest. So I thought fuck em! Sold private, bought private and will service it myself.
@alexerioeduardo2844 I think that's the best way sometimes. Good if I had the spare cash. I was getting silly offers for my MT10, I thought stuff that. Rather just keep what I've got.
My dealer's sales manager gave me crap for asking out-the-door pricing, (in three years I've enquired about 4 models). If you're not 100% committed to buying, they simply don't want to even spend 1 minute on you. Long gone are the days of the charismatic sales guy ....
A friend of mine had a car stolen by joyriders a few years back. He got word of who it was (a well known car thief) and found the persons profile on facebook. His latest post was of the new car he had just aquired. When my friend showed the police this information they were much more concerned about how my friend had found out who stole his car and told him not to be making allegations based on information he had seen on social media. The police didnt follow up on any of this 😂
If theft is down, why don't insurance quotes reflect this? Outrageous what they're charging nowadays. Also, yes please do wear this attire at the bike show!
Last time I brought a brand new bike it was on 0% finance from Black horse, those days are gone who wants to buy a depreciating asset with an interest rate of 10%. That is why none are being sold.
@majordelays4909 I hate to say it, and it's not a dig at you. But this is what's ruining the market. Too many people buying what they can't afford just to have what they dont need. The bike market was a thriving place until pcp and the likes became the norm. There's such an abundance of older 2nd hand machines right now sat in massive buildings waiting to be bought but no one wants them (well, some do) but everyone thinks they need the newest & shiniest and credit makes it too easy. You'd think this would be good for the market, except it's not. They ain't shifting the trade ins because they don't generally offer affordable credit on bikes beyond a few years old. Why everyone thinks finance is the answer to owning stuff I really don't know 🤷 if they saved what they weren't spending on finance they'd already have the money. I know it's easier said than done, because once the finance companies have you, it's hard to revert. Stuck between a rock and a hard place.
Thanks for the work as usual😁 I totally agree with you on insurance. Here in France I pay 400€ for full coverage for my S1000R, I wouldn't pay 1K its way too much 😡
44 Teeth, have you thought about speaking about economics with Gary's Economics and finding out what things he says can fix the motorcycle sales in UK? He was Citibank's top trader in the world, paid millions a year, and he's a s Londoner. He's a genuine expert and can explain things we can do to make things better.
Saltire is my local dealer, 5 minutes down the road. Passed all my tests with them and have bought multiple bikes. Great people and a massive shame they’ve shut up shop
I think the Completely Motorbikes figures include the car side of the business as well, it’s the whole Completely Motoring group that’s gone into Administration👍
I met a guy at bsb on sunday that went to see his mum in hospital who was about to pass away that day and had his R1M stolen at the hospital, This Country literally makes me sick
That Hornet looks a hell of a lot of bike for the money! Other manufacturers seriously need to take note. As for dealers, it's the cost! The prices of some of these bikes is just ridiculous! Too many are just greedy and not offering anything different.
The basic Honda CB is £8999. The basic BMW S1000r, with nothing on it (no elec suspension or any other bits) is £13,360. Fully kitted out it’s just under double the price. The M1000r is well on the way to three times the price. If we’re all a bit short of cash which one makes more sense? No-one on the road is going to notice much of a difference anyway. This kind of pricing is what will save biking at least in the shorter term. Bikes are turning into cars with all the unnecessary tech, ever bigger engines and more weight, and many cost more without any of the benefits of a car. Get more kids and women into bikes and keep them interested or it’s finished. Make the test accessible, prices lower, insurance will be cheaper as a result and we might have a slim chance of going back to bikes as transport instead of status symbols for bored final salary pension retirees 😂
Great chat. Seen you at a few live events..enjoy your updates and comments. My R1 was stolen from a NCP carpark. The dlock was angle-grindered off. My insurance has gone from £500 to £3k for its replacement. Dont think Ill be getting on another R1!
I cannot wait for the bait bike episodes !!!!!!!!! I seriously can’t wait and couldn’t agree more and love the script of the episode regarding the organ and parts selling …..
In Bulgaria, and I think everywhere else in EU, it is exactly as Chris said - third party liability is compulsory and that's it. I paid 77 EUR for this year. Road tax is around 45 EUR. On the flip side no company insures privately owned bikes for damage or theft or anything. Only a few insurers work with leasing companies. So you buy a new bike, like I did, and if something happens you are on your own.
Just for some background on the 3rd party insurance with Australia. When you pay the registration you get "Compulsory 3rd Party" insurance. That covers physical injuries. Does not cover the other vehicle, does not cover damage to property. We still need to pay extra for "3rd Party Fire and Theft" insurance or "Full Comprehensive". I know plenty of people on cheap beater bikes that don't pay for any extra insurance. Rego costs are about $300 per 6 months. Completely legal, just don't crash into a Mercedes!
@@Terraceview I didn't say it covers property damage, simply that you do get free (albeit limited) insurance, and therefore paying road tax means you can legally ride on the road.
"and sell them to quadriplegics" I lost my MIND laughing at this bit 😂 I'm at work, the room is all quiet, and you throw that statement out there. It caught me by such surprise... I couldn't stifle my laugh well enough. My boss wanted to know what I was laughing at. Just made something up 🤣🤣🤣 holy hell you lot...something else
Bikes are obviously partly devices for leisure, not just necessity for commuting, so where we’ve all been stuffed with general prices of food, fuel, utilities etc. going up by20-25% over the last couple of years, suddenly Joe Public has lost a quarter of his disposable income - and the first thing that sadly has to go are life’s pleasures.
1st bike was a Hornet 600 2008 model loved it to bits, clipsons belly pan 1st bike i wheelied, if i moved back to uk id customize the shizzer of the new one.....z900 owner now heavy dog 555.. great show boyz (i might be the only person to put a aprilla rs250 front end on a hornet also haha long time ago young 🙂
Sales of all vehicles are down because the market is flooded with reliable vehicles previously bought on HP. 20/30 years ago you bought something less reliable, if you had the cash. Too many vehicles for too few people.
You're right in Australia. You get third party person with your rego. This covers a person healthcare wise regardless of fault. You can legally ride without third party property or comprehensive insurance if you like but the risk is on you to cover personally. Obviously this has some flaws in that if both parties don't have insurance the party not at fault doesn't really have a guaranteed way of getting paid out for their damages.
In New South Wales, Australia, the CTP, or compulsory third party insurance, also known as a Green Slip, covers injury of people only. Third Party Property or Premium covers damage to other vehicles and property and is cheaper than Full comprehensive insurance, which covers your vehicle as well as fire and theft included.
I was told by a family friend that ran a main dealer that they don't make much money on new bike sales. Their main revinue was servicing and used sales
Here in Germany we actually have this insurance system. You can have full coverage, only coverage for theft and damage caused by nature or basic coverage for damage to others. That's what I use on my 2000 RSV Mille and I pay about 80 Euros each for insurance and taxes a year.
about the insurance, i dont know how it works in the uk, but in whole europe, your mandatory insurance is exactly as you mentioned. If you are in fault, the other vehicle will be paid for the damage. but if you damage your own vehicle, that is up to the owner.
Chris describes insurance like we have in USA. PLPD on a 1000cc or similar is $200-350yr Only covers personal liability no bike coverage but gets you street legal.
Completely Kawasaki in Yeovil have also gone into Adminstration. My brother went there to buy a bike a few months ago but didn't as they weren't interested in taking his Hornet in PX.😯 Talking of Hornets i bought my one new early last year when they were only £6999 which undercut all the competition and they've done it again with the new 1000cc Hornet which im very tempted to change mine for.
There are so many dealers closed in Scotland recently its becoming hard to find dealers near, you have to travel to get to a particular brand now. BMW is probably the most available now and I'm guessing this is because they are attached at the hip to the car dealers.
For me the biggest issue with new bike sales is price, in 2011 I bought a brand new not even pre registered gsxr 750 for £7300 ! I know Suzuki don’t make them now but if they did I’d bet they’d be at least double that now and I can’t speak for other people but my wages have certainly not doubled since 2011 !
A lot of dealers are dishonest and don’t let go of any opportunity to rip customers off. Ridiculous servicing costs that just includes an oil change costing £250 no wonder they are going bust
Bike thefts definitely aren't down in my area, you hear about stolen bikes on a daily basis. I'm relieved every time I wake up and see my bike is still there.
Pizza, cut in four, you fold the piece so you can hold it without every bit falling out and just gobble it down. I love making my own pizza with a prepared dough. It's not as good because it's made in a normal oven but better then Domino, Pizza hut stuff. A burger is a snack, pizza is a meal is how I would decide on which to get.
Insurance in Thailand is cheap as chips, compulsory gov. ins £50, considering the accident rate here and the shear volume of bikes thats cheap. Can get optional private ins. and even that doesn't break the bank
Fuuuuuuuuuck, what a dilemma. Pizza or burger? I've crammed some bangers in my gob over the years, and Pizzas (other than wanky dominos) are usually the safe bet. A burger on the other hand, can make or break, depending on whether it is hand formed of not. Love you guys
The only way theft will go down (because we know tougher sentencing isn’t coming) is riders using proper security. 1 disk lock is not enough fellas! Get a tracker to alert you of movement, get an AirTag as a backup, get a heavy duty chain and just deal with carrying it around (it’s unfortunate a sacrifice, no lock = no bike in the morning)
In US u can get basic liability only if the bike is fully paid for but if u are making payments u must have full coverage. 1 speeding ticket and my full coverage insurance was more than my bike payment
How refreshing that you guys are back to decompress me. After arguing on/in some vid where the 'author' dissed Trail-braking; promoting braking before the corner and then letting off so the forks could remain tall to better absorb the rough stuff... Take me Italy again soon; please.
About the bsb, yes, what a race, and it has to be said, the brands hatch gp circuit, what an amazing circuit, anyone whos ridden it will agree its an absolute rollercoaster of a track, its a national treasure, something like that place will never be built like that ever again especially in the uk, its insanity lol.
Too early to see for ULEZ? WTF a 10mph windspead and what you breathed out could be in Edinborough in under 2 days, the air improvement should have been measurable after the first good gust of wind.
When I were a lad, back in the late 70's/early 80's, it was all about mopeds (Fizzy's, AP50 and the like), graduating to 250 2T's and so on....we had a genuine love of motorcycling but nowadays I see more scooters ridden by young people, which is great, but it's a means to an end, the first taste of freedom before moving to 4 wheels. There's no real love of motorcycling, you only need to look at the average age demographic of bikers to see that it's not a thing for younger (mostly) men. Cost comes into it too, big bikes loaded with tech can cost more than a decent car.
16:05 it's called liability. the minimum amount of insurance you can get and be legal is liability. meaning, as you said, your insurance will pay out to cover damage you're liable for on someone else's vehicle, but not for your own vehicle. for a motorcycle, you can have only basic liability even if it's new because it's considered a toy. and once you own a car, you can drop down to basic liability if you want. but if you lease or finance a new car, the finance company will require full coverage. you could legally drive with only basic liability, but the finance company would immediately repossess the car.
Talking about finance and I guess not just with bikes... But I don't understand why they cannot change the rules around PCP deals and allow them two things. First to allow PCP deals over longer periods to reduce monthly prices. Second to allow PCP deals on older bikes (over 5 years old) as often a straight finance deal is more expensive than a new PCP deal, so less incentive. Anyway... Just a thought 😊
Yeah, Australia has CTP 3rd party included in Rego, then you can do 3rd Party, Fire and Theft or Full Comp at your own discretion. (Our Governments have a similar disdain for Motorcycles too) 😂
The rego insurance in australia is personal liability/injury etc, not covering vehicle damages. For 3rd party fire/theft or full comprehensive is still stupidly priced. Granted 5 years ago but my 99 ZX9R cost me $1500aud a year for agreed value of $4000aud
Looks like a Streetfighter with the unibrow shaved. Perfect. Though the tank is a bit of a step back from the current US CB1000R. Maybe that's where all the savings is coming from.
Ducati Abingdon didn’t have a single multistrada for a test ride. Tried for over a year and a half but they kept giving me several excuses. If that’s the service for a potential new customer, I don’t wanna know what they will do if a customer has a warranty claim.
I live in Thailand (obviously). Petty theft is prevalent (phones, watches, bags), "paper" theft also (e.g. put house/car in Mrs name then she fucks off with it. But, Property theft is basically non-existent, home invasions never ever... I can literally leave my tuned bike with helmet on the bars at the beach or in the central city, go back 3 days later and it's gone, then some guy will walk up, Mr you look your bike, yes we move for you over there behind that shop, I go get for you. In Australia, members in our bike group having bikes stolen weekly. The west is ruined & I will never return.
I've seen the correlation. Lock up people that use social media to incite violence, and you see motorcycle thefts go down. It must be the same people😉🤣
I recently started commuting by bike in north London, the road structure is awful for motorbikes, yes it's great that there are more cyclists, but I'd put money on them being people that used to use the tube and not car drivers.... The motorcycle action group did a study that showed if just 10% of single occupancy car drivers were on motorbikes, there would be no congestion... Cycling just isn't viable unless you have a shower at work and a safe place to lock your bike, and an ebike rental is more than the running costs of my motorbike. ... But the whole system is just there to prop up what is effectively a bankrupt tfl
What a joke,in the past month I’ve been chased twice by bikes without number plates and once they tried to get in my back garden,i am at the point that i don’t even enjoy riding anymore,after 20years of riding i am honestly thinking to give up riding because of all the stress
I just bought a 2018 1290 Adventure R for 16k (aussie) after seeing a 24 model for 34k at a dealership. Wild price increase, but mainly I'm just excited about new bike time and wanted to tell my internet riding friends. 😂
That's the go mate. The price curve has gone nuts. I too am walking a different quiet path carrying a big stick......picked up a 2002 CBR110XX with 9,000k's for 8 grand. $350 for full comp insurance. New bikes are priced way higher than they should be. Fuck 'em I'm not buying it.
True, we have third party insurance as part of a vehicles rego, sp you juts need to pay that (45 a month for me, or 20 quid) and youre allowed it on roads. Obviously, tho if you have an expensive bike youll want better cover, but for my XJR, that's only another 300 a year Much better than the prices in the uk, which arw a joke atm
Vietnam bikes, and it works. Notice that government wants less car use, but we don't have infrastructure to allow electric car use to increase. If we all went full electric, the UK would stop. I feel for dealers closing, and they have big brands like BMW!
If government sets a requirement for insurance then there should a standard coupon insurance for cars and bikes which is cheap. Other countries have 3rd party by fuel levies
They really need to look into licensing, been daily riding since I was 17, currently 26, got my a2 and have 0 motivation to pay another 800 quid do full A
Wow, my childhood memory of someone drawing out a wormlike string of blood from the nose of a kid during a football game actually sounds like I didnt dream it now that you seem to have experienced the same shite. Still cant wrap my head around it though. How it works, that is. Not physically wrapping the nose originated blood worm around my head. At least not sober.
it is really unfortunate with the insurance, I wouldn't even look at the bike with such ridiculous pricing. We have the mandatory one which sounds like your 3rd party that is usually somewhere between 50-100eur and then the full coverage that varies but usually it was somewhere between 500-1000/year... also definitely pizza (just imagine you would have to eat only your choice, pizza has much more variety)
I know sales figures are all anyone cares about, but i think of you take a look at tire sales, you’d have a better idea of how many/how often people are out there enjoying their machines. Just my 2 cents, cheers🎉
Only 150 bhp 😂 What a mad time we live in.
Agreed, it's plenty enough for the street
Not a chance I need 340 brake on triumph rocket…get a life guyz
@@martynhurst3609Haha not gonna make much if any difference getting to 100km/h
Would be fun to ride though the triumph
For me 100 hp is enough, it's the better suspension I want..... But at 10k I will take the extra 50%... What happens if the sp is better on track than the r9 ? I doubt it with that 6 axis imu... But what if ?
150 and cheaper than an mt09 though
Im a yank so you may not want to hear my opinion but, I know how to fix it. Get your family into motorcycles. Get your women into motorcycles. Be inclusive find and explain neccesity vs vanity. Your BMW's are 300 to 400 percent more expensive than their equivalent bikes. We have done this to ourselves. Of course its hard to move bikes when they are trying to pus 30k msrp. Apple car play adaptive suspension adjustable ride height 4 way color phone screens remote keyless luggage. Every single one of these has contributed in a MAJOR way to the downfall of a leisure activity for the every man.
When you approach your shiny luxury motorcycles and bang em up as the be all end all despite the true performance being relatively the same. Impressionable people who are ill informed take away the opinion that stat sheets or fancy electronic nonsense is a status symbol. So anyway in short be informative to your friends and new riders about what is worth your money and whats not. Otherwise we will continue this downhill fuckfest of people going tits up in a 30k loan on a superbike they cant even ride within 1/10th of its potential. End rant
Spot on 👌
Very well put.
Bang on brother, I am currently looking to sell my tame Gen 3 1290 Duke r coz its not as scary as my previous Gen 2 version. I am gonna get an old Hyabusa with no modes and sweepy clocks
The way the world is going, I don't think the powers that be want us riding nice bikes.
It's going to end up a luxury hobby like owning and riding horses, just for the rich.
Eventually I can see us getting priced out of our love of bikes, causing us to live smaller lives in the name of progress.
Couldn’t have said it better. Even with cars now as well it’s a brochure comparison. Oh but my numbers on the paper are higher! I need that for the 750 miles I ride a year because I’m terrified of it!
wouldn't be surprised if the drop in stolen bikes is correlated to less bikes being on the road because of the crazy prices/insurance/taxes
I went and checked, motorcycles sales is down more than 20% since 2017
theft if only down by 7% since 2017
theft is only down because there are less motorcycles on the road to steal hahahha
what a joke
Agreed. That was my first thought...
THRILLED you kept the quadriplegic joke in 😂
Great gag
I thought it was armless enough
@@richbrock9876Good to see 44teeths humour isn't on its last legs yet....
It was fecking funny 😂😂
First time I’ve ever seen Tommy Bridewell look like he was on the ragged edge. That was the very best motorsport spectacle I’ve ever seen, anywhere. Superb way to end a season. 👏👏👏👏
Los Angeles being a very expensive city and horrible traffic. The motorcycle is the perfect vehicle. Liability insurance is legal. Being very cheap, land splitting is legal and parking is basically free anywhere….and we have some absolutely killer twisties all over the local mountains. And I ride 365 days a year🙂👍🏻
Yeah but your tectonic plates are shit 😂
Bastard
I own a small family run bike shop and it’s difficult times we’re in. Thankfully we have local customers who appreciate good honest customer service and come back time and time again. Without them and our reputation we too would go under. We can only hope better times are to come.
That Hornet SP looks a steal at £9999
150 BHP great for the Road aswell
The radiator is too small
@@stewart8127is it though? What is its heat dissipating rate?
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now it's a common problem with naked bikes .
Everyone knows the UK has gone to complete shit. As much as most of us love owning a bike it’s becoming almost pointless for the average Joe, the price of bikes now is a sick joke, insurance cost, the roads are absolute garbage & dangerous, theft is a massive problem (despite the probably fudged figures saying otherwise) and the age old UK issue, the weather.
And don’t forget the speed cameras everywhere
That is why I moved to France. Roads are so much better and empty.
And yet Honda will sell it in England and not the USA ......
@@ellwoodwolfexactly it’s bs
Also at least around London many boroughs are starting to charge bikes similar parking fees to cars and TFL now planning to charge bikes to use the old Blackwall tunnel as well as the new one. If these go ahead it will just spread to other cities and areas.
Outfits at the NEC? Absolutely!!
As for the insurance… insure the person not the vehicle 🙏
Sadly not surprised dealers are going bust. Triumph Oxford have zero interest in selling unless you walk over to them and say "I want to order this bike..." and BMW, Ducati etc are all pricing their bikes higher than a VW Golf. Not many can afford the prices of most newer bikes (though that new hornet sp looks spectacular!)
Tempted to px in my MT10 for the Honda
@@matthewjackson3034 I'll be keeping my Tiger 900GT Pro for another few years I think 😅
Agree. Tried to px my old bike with several dealers and none of them showed any interest. So I thought fuck em! Sold private, bought private and will service it myself.
@alexerioeduardo2844 I think that's the best way sometimes. Good if I had the spare cash. I was getting silly offers for my MT10, I thought stuff that. Rather just keep what I've got.
My dealer's sales manager gave me crap for asking out-the-door pricing, (in three years I've enquired about 4 models). If you're not 100% committed to buying, they simply don't want to even spend 1 minute on you. Long gone are the days of the charismatic sales guy ....
I had a bike nicked. Neighbours saw them, and took the van reg. Cops were not interested in following up. Nuff said.
A friend of mine had a car stolen by joyriders a few years back. He got word of who it was (a well known car thief) and found the persons profile on facebook. His latest post was of the new car he had just aquired. When my friend showed the police this information they were much more concerned about how my friend had found out who stole his car and told him not to be making allegations based on information he had seen on social media. The police didnt follow up on any of this 😂
@@ryanmichael7795 They'd have been down there in a shot if he'd made a comment about illegal immigration 🤡
They only interested in catching speeders
If theft is down, why don't insurance quotes reflect this? Outrageous what they're charging nowadays. Also, yes please do wear this attire at the bike show!
I wouldn't recognise them if they didn't 😂
Ooh, look Jason Statham's let himself go!
Last time I brought a brand new bike it was on 0% finance from Black horse, those days are gone who wants to buy a depreciating asset with an interest rate of 10%. That is why none are being sold.
0% virgin money credit card for all six bikes I’ve owned so far. About to come unstuck unless I do a shuffle at month end mind 😂
@majordelays4909 I hate to say it, and it's not a dig at you. But this is what's ruining the market. Too many people buying what they can't afford just to have what they dont need.
The bike market was a thriving place until pcp and the likes became the norm. There's such an abundance of older 2nd hand machines right now sat in massive buildings waiting to be bought but no one wants them (well, some do) but everyone thinks they need the newest & shiniest and credit makes it too easy.
You'd think this would be good for the market, except it's not. They ain't shifting the trade ins because they don't generally offer affordable credit on bikes beyond a few years old.
Why everyone thinks finance is the answer to owning stuff I really don't know 🤷 if they saved what they weren't spending on finance they'd already have the money.
I know it's easier said than done, because once the finance companies have you, it's hard to revert. Stuck between a rock and a hard place.
@@TheSd1cko Let them finance themselves to oblivion leaves many good low kays bikes for the guys with some cash on hand.
Thanks for the work as usual😁
I totally agree with you on insurance. Here in France I pay 400€ for full coverage for my S1000R, I wouldn't pay 1K its way too much 😡
44 Teeth, have you thought about speaking about economics with Gary's Economics and finding out what things he says can fix the motorcycle sales in UK?
He was Citibank's top trader in the world, paid millions a year, and he's a s Londoner. He's a genuine expert and can explain things we can do to make things better.
Saltire is my local dealer, 5 minutes down the road. Passed all my tests with them and have bought multiple bikes. Great people and a massive shame they’ve shut up shop
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Didn't know until watching this. Did all my training with them too. Best of luck to the staff, especially Brian and Colin.
hats off to Honda, that's a lot of bike for 9-10k. The important stat in the theft of bikes is how many bike thieves been caught?!
Bit bland though dont you think?
None.
Maybe the reduction in theft is because there are fewer bike sales
weather has been absolutely dog shit this year too and defo feels like I've seen less bikes on the road this year
I think the Completely Motorbikes figures include the car side of the business as well, it’s the whole Completely Motoring group that’s gone into Administration👍
I met a guy at bsb on sunday that went to see his mum in hospital who was about to pass away that day and had his R1M stolen at the hospital, This Country literally makes me sick
Bring back capital punishment.
So are they sending these stolen bikes to eastern europe or what?
@@vindiesel5466 100% they get shipped abroad, They only really target high end bikes now
Same in France
That Hornet looks a hell of a lot of bike for the money! Other manufacturers seriously need to take note.
As for dealers, it's the cost! The prices of some of these bikes is just ridiculous! Too many are just greedy and not offering anything different.
The basic Honda CB is £8999. The basic BMW S1000r, with nothing on it (no elec suspension or any other bits) is £13,360. Fully kitted out it’s just under double the price. The M1000r is well on the way to three times the price. If we’re all a bit short of cash which one makes more sense? No-one on the road is going to notice much of a difference anyway. This kind of pricing is what will save biking at least in the shorter term. Bikes are turning into cars with all the unnecessary tech, ever bigger engines and more weight, and many cost more without any of the benefits of a car.
Get more kids and women into bikes and keep them interested or it’s finished. Make the test accessible, prices lower, insurance will be cheaper as a result and we might have a slim chance of going back to bikes as transport instead of status symbols for bored final salary pension retirees 😂
Absolutely. You are spot on with this comment. 👏🏼
S1000R will hold its value better and be a better purchase
@@maxflight777BMW might hold more a bit more ‘%’ depreciation, but you’ll lose a hell of a lot more ‘real cash’ with the BMW over the Honda.
Here in Thailand, there is basic compulsory insurance that just covers injury to persons. For my Triumph Trident, it costs the equivalent of £15.
Great chat. Seen you at a few live events..enjoy your updates and comments.
My R1 was stolen from a NCP carpark. The dlock was angle-grindered off. My insurance has gone from £500 to £3k for its replacement. Dont think Ill be getting on another R1!
Ahh , Squidgy Black , I haven't had that for ages , brings back some great memories 😂
It's at the back of the extractor hood.......
@@BIGGIEsmalls13 🤣
Many fond memories. Unfortunately I can't remember any of them. Cest la vie.
I cannot wait for the bait bike episodes !!!!!!!!! I seriously can’t wait and couldn’t agree more and love the script of the episode regarding the organ and parts selling …..
In Bulgaria, and I think everywhere else in EU, it is exactly as Chris said - third party liability is compulsory and that's it. I paid 77 EUR for this year. Road tax is around 45 EUR. On the flip side no company insures privately owned bikes for damage or theft or anything. Only a few insurers work with leasing companies. So you buy a new bike, like I did, and if something happens you are on your own.
Just for some background on the 3rd party insurance with Australia. When you pay the registration you get "Compulsory 3rd Party" insurance. That covers physical injuries. Does not cover the other vehicle, does not cover damage to property. We still need to pay extra for "3rd Party Fire and Theft" insurance or "Full Comprehensive". I know plenty of people on cheap beater bikes that don't pay for any extra insurance. Rego costs are about $300 per 6 months. Completely legal, just don't crash into a Mercedes!
For us Brits, basically rego is road tax. Aussies get free insurance with road tax. It was wonderful.
@@Drakelett No, it doesn't cover property damage, maybe reread his comment.
@@Terraceview I didn't say it covers property damage, simply that you do get free (albeit limited) insurance, and therefore paying road tax means you can legally ride on the road.
I’ve just realised that Chris is the Ricky Gervais of motorcycling. Fucking hell.
"and sell them to quadriplegics" I lost my MIND laughing at this bit 😂 I'm at work, the room is all quiet, and you throw that statement out there. It caught me by such surprise... I couldn't stifle my laugh well enough. My boss wanted to know what I was laughing at. Just made something up 🤣🤣🤣 holy hell you lot...something else
tell your boss to mind his jeffin business lol
A new low. Hilarious.
Bikes are obviously partly devices for leisure, not just necessity for commuting, so where we’ve all been stuffed with general prices of food, fuel, utilities etc. going up by20-25% over the last couple of years, suddenly Joe Public has lost a quarter of his disposable income - and the first thing that sadly has to go are life’s pleasures.
Wouldn’t be surprised if my local Triumph dealer goes bust, they don’t even bloody open on weekends??!!
Stick an aftermarket exhaust system and a lipo battery on that Honda and you’ll be nearer the 200kg mark.
1st bike was a Hornet 600 2008 model loved it to bits, clipsons belly pan 1st bike i wheelied, if i moved back to uk id customize the shizzer of the new one.....z900 owner now heavy dog 555.. great show boyz (i might be the only person to put a aprilla rs250 front end on a hornet also haha long time ago young 🙂
Sales of all vehicles are down because the market is flooded with reliable vehicles previously bought on HP. 20/30 years ago you bought something less reliable, if you had the cash. Too many vehicles for too few people.
You're right in Australia. You get third party person with your rego. This covers a person healthcare wise regardless of fault. You can legally ride without third party property or comprehensive insurance if you like but the risk is on you to cover personally. Obviously this has some flaws in that if both parties don't have insurance the party not at fault doesn't really have a guaranteed way of getting paid out for their damages.
In New South Wales, Australia, the CTP, or compulsory third party insurance, also known as a Green Slip, covers injury of people only. Third Party Property or Premium covers damage to other vehicles and property and is cheaper than Full comprehensive insurance, which covers your vehicle as well as fire and theft included.
I was told by a family friend that ran a main dealer that they don't make much money on new bike sales. Their main revinue was servicing and used sales
£9K for a litre bike?? Are we back in 2010? 😮
Hopefully yes 🤣
Everything on this bike is from 2010 too 🤣 Quite expensive for a bike this old.
Here in Germany we actually have this insurance system. You can have full coverage, only coverage for theft and damage caused by nature or basic coverage for damage to others. That's what I use on my 2000 RSV Mille and I pay about 80 Euros each for insurance and taxes a year.
Hey mate, we have the same insurance options. Location, age, no claim bonus, years riding all massively count.
I know people in London paying £250+ per month to insure 125s
about the insurance, i dont know how it works in the uk, but in whole europe, your mandatory insurance is exactly as you mentioned. If you are in fault, the other vehicle will be paid for the damage. but if you damage your own vehicle, that is up to the owner.
Chris describes insurance like we have in USA. PLPD on a 1000cc or similar is $200-350yr Only covers personal liability no bike coverage but gets you street legal.
The latest initiatives in London to encourage people to use two wheels is to charge us for parking at half the rate of cars
Yeah, you're correct third party insurance with licensing is compulsory here in Aus, and it's actually a good scheme.
the best telly of the 2020s, thank you lads!!!!!
If you set up a Go Fund Me to do a bike theft sting operation, I think you’d get a very good response
It's a great idea but guess who would get the jail time. Here's a hint, it wouldn't be the thieves that have been caught!
Dudes, so funny. Never change this segment please.
£9K for the Hornet 1000 is damn good value. It will be competing with parallel twin bikes with less than 100 BHP!
Completely Kawasaki in Yeovil have also gone into Adminstration. My brother went there to buy a bike a few months ago but didn't as they weren't interested in taking his Hornet in PX.😯 Talking of Hornets i bought my one new early last year when they were only £6999 which undercut all the competition and they've done it again with the new 1000cc Hornet which im very tempted to change mine for.
I like the look of that Hornet, new can and controversially a dark smoked little screen to hide the clocks / make the front end flow a bit better.
There used to be lower than tp insurance, called legal cover. Only way I could get covered after a dd in 83-84
There are so many dealers closed in Scotland recently its becoming hard to find dealers near, you have to travel to get to a particular brand now. BMW is probably the most available now and I'm guessing this is because they are attached at the hip to the car dealers.
For me the biggest issue with new bike sales is price, in 2011 I bought a brand new not even pre registered gsxr 750 for £7300 ! I know Suzuki don’t make them now but if they did I’d bet they’d be at least double that now and I can’t speak for other people but my wages have certainly not doubled since 2011 !
A lot of dealers are dishonest and don’t let go of any opportunity to rip customers off. Ridiculous servicing costs that just includes an oil change costing £250 no wonder they are going bust
But you need them
@@steve00alt70 yes, but not more than they need us to stay afloat.
Bike thefts definitely aren't down in my area, you hear about stolen bikes on a daily basis. I'm relieved every time I wake up and see my bike is still there.
Great Show as always, Hope to meet you at the NEC.
Pizza, cut in four, you fold the piece so you can hold it without every bit falling out and just gobble it down.
I love making my own pizza with a prepared dough. It's not as good because it's made in a normal oven but better then Domino, Pizza hut stuff.
A burger is a snack, pizza is a meal is how I would decide on which to get.
The fact that there is a long pizza vs burger debate is why I love this.
Insurance in Thailand is cheap as chips, compulsory gov. ins £50, considering the accident rate here and the shear volume of bikes thats cheap. Can get optional private ins. and even that doesn't break the bank
The insurance you pay with the rego doesn't cover f all though, like max 100k damages or something
@@TurboThailand I don't care about cover, just legal to ride. If I crash, it's my fault.
Fuuuuuuuuuck, what a dilemma. Pizza or burger? I've crammed some bangers in my gob over the years, and Pizzas (other than wanky dominos) are usually the safe bet. A burger on the other hand, can make or break, depending on whether it is hand formed of not.
Love you guys
It seems there's quite an ageing population in motorbikes so hopefully entry level and cool bikes can lure teenagers off their T-maxs and so on
Defo go with the roving knob heads idea at the NEC!
Totally in your wheelhouse.
The only way theft will go down (because we know tougher sentencing isn’t coming) is riders using proper security. 1 disk lock is not enough fellas! Get a tracker to alert you of movement, get an AirTag as a backup, get a heavy duty chain and just deal with carrying it around (it’s unfortunate a sacrifice, no lock = no bike in the morning)
Is scenting a bit like theft dye, only it smells nice 😂
@@TheScortUK hilarious
@@insertyoutubeusernames thanks mum
In US u can get basic liability only if the bike is fully paid for but if u are making payments u must have full coverage. 1 speeding ticket and my full coverage insurance was more than my bike payment
How refreshing that you guys are back to decompress me. After arguing on/in some vid where the 'author' dissed Trail-braking; promoting braking before the corner and then letting off so the forks could remain tall to better absorb the rough stuff... Take me Italy again soon; please.
About the bsb, yes, what a race, and it has to be said, the brands hatch gp circuit, what an amazing circuit, anyone whos ridden it will agree its an absolute rollercoaster of a track, its a national treasure, something like that place will never be built like that ever again especially in the uk, its insanity lol.
Too early to see for ULEZ? WTF a 10mph windspead and what you breathed out could be in Edinborough in under 2 days, the air improvement should have been measurable after the first good gust of wind.
When I were a lad, back in the late 70's/early 80's, it was all about mopeds (Fizzy's, AP50 and the like), graduating to 250 2T's and so on....we had a genuine love of motorcycling but nowadays I see more scooters ridden by young people, which is great, but it's a means to an end, the first taste of freedom before moving to 4 wheels. There's no real love of motorcycling, you only need to look at the average age demographic of bikers to see that it's not a thing for younger (mostly) men. Cost comes into it too, big bikes loaded with tech can cost more than a decent car.
Fagan laugh reminds me of Muttley (Wacky Races - could become a thing on 44teeth) ;-)
Foreigner here: when is the UK going to get serious with motorcycle/phone/car theft?
Not until they deal with the problem they imported.
16:05 it's called liability. the minimum amount of insurance you can get and be legal is liability. meaning, as you said, your insurance will pay out to cover damage you're liable for on someone else's vehicle, but not for your own vehicle. for a motorcycle, you can have only basic liability even if it's new because it's considered a toy. and once you own a car, you can drop down to basic liability if you want. but if you lease or finance a new car, the finance company will require full coverage. you could legally drive with only basic liability, but the finance company would immediately repossess the car.
Talking about finance and I guess not just with bikes... But I don't understand why they cannot change the rules around PCP deals and allow them two things. First to allow PCP deals over longer periods to reduce monthly prices. Second to allow PCP deals on older bikes (over 5 years old) as often a straight finance deal is more expensive than a new PCP deal, so less incentive.
Anyway... Just a thought 😊
Yeah, Australia has CTP 3rd party included in Rego, then you can do 3rd Party, Fire and Theft or Full Comp at your own discretion. (Our Governments have a similar disdain for Motorcycles too) 😂
I'm looking forward to the NEC. I will pop by to say hi. R9 I can't wait see in person.
The rego insurance in australia is personal liability/injury etc, not covering vehicle damages. For 3rd party fire/theft or full comprehensive is still stupidly priced. Granted 5 years ago but my 99 ZX9R cost me $1500aud a year for agreed value of $4000aud
Looks like a Streetfighter with the unibrow shaved. Perfect. Though the tank is a bit of a step back from the current US CB1000R. Maybe that's where all the savings is coming from.
I find that hard to believe 7% down year on year considering every other day there’s a bike nicked here in East Sussex
Don’t forget about your old friend Josh Herrin winning the MotoAmerica Superbike Championship on the Ducati!
Thanks for another great show lads
Pizza in an Italian restaurant, Burger in a decent pub. I’m on the fence. 🤷🏼♂️😂
Ducati Abingdon didn’t have a single multistrada for a test ride. Tried for over a year and a half but they kept giving me several excuses. If that’s the service for a potential new customer, I don’t wanna know what they will do if a customer has a warranty claim.
I live in Thailand (obviously). Petty theft is prevalent (phones, watches, bags), "paper" theft also (e.g. put house/car in Mrs name then she fucks off with it. But, Property theft is basically non-existent, home invasions never ever... I can literally leave my tuned bike with helmet on the bars at the beach or in the central city, go back 3 days later and it's gone, then some guy will walk up, Mr you look your bike, yes we move for you over there behind that shop, I go get for you. In Australia, members in our bike group having bikes stolen weekly. The west is ruined & I will never return.
I've seen the correlation. Lock up people that use social media to incite violence, and you see motorcycle thefts go down. It must be the same people😉🤣
I just love the news, great background music......:)
I recently started commuting by bike in north London, the road structure is awful for motorbikes, yes it's great that there are more cyclists, but I'd put money on them being people that used to use the tube and not car drivers.... The motorcycle action group did a study that showed if just 10% of single occupancy car drivers were on motorbikes, there would be no congestion... Cycling just isn't viable unless you have a shower at work and a safe place to lock your bike, and an ebike rental is more than the running costs of my motorbike. ... But the whole system is just there to prop up what is effectively a bankrupt tfl
Quadraplegics😂 Based. You need to get on with the LotusEaters. Now there's a thought.
What a joke,in the past month I’ve been chased twice by bikes without number plates and once they tried to get in my back garden,i am at the point that i don’t even enjoy riding anymore,after 20years of riding i am honestly thinking to give up riding because of all the stress
I just bought a 2018 1290 Adventure R for 16k (aussie) after seeing a 24 model for 34k at a dealership. Wild price increase, but mainly I'm just excited about new bike time and wanted to tell my internet riding friends. 😂
That's the go mate. The price curve has gone nuts. I too am walking a different quiet path carrying a big stick......picked up a 2002 CBR110XX with 9,000k's for 8 grand. $350 for full comp insurance. New bikes are priced way higher than they should be. Fuck 'em I'm not buying it.
True, we have third party insurance as part of a vehicles rego, sp you juts need to pay that (45 a month for me, or 20 quid) and youre allowed it on roads. Obviously, tho if you have an expensive bike youll want better cover, but for my XJR, that's only another 300 a year
Much better than the prices in the uk, which arw a joke atm
Vietnam bikes, and it works. Notice that government wants less car use, but we don't have infrastructure to allow electric car use to increase. If we all went full electric, the UK would stop. I feel for dealers closing, and they have big brands like BMW!
If government sets a requirement for insurance then there should a standard coupon insurance for cars and bikes which is cheap. Other countries have 3rd party by fuel levies
So pleased Al said Tommy Hill and Hopper was better…. Cos it was
Brilliant 😂
Keep up the good work
Aaaah Covid, the gift that keeps on giving 😢
They really need to look into licensing, been daily riding since I was 17, currently 26, got my a2 and have 0 motivation to pay another 800 quid do full A
Wow, my childhood memory of someone drawing out a wormlike string of blood from the nose of a kid during a football game actually sounds like I didnt dream it now that you seem to have experienced the same shite. Still cant wrap my head around it though. How it works, that is. Not physically wrapping the nose originated blood worm around my head. At least not sober.
it is really unfortunate with the insurance, I wouldn't even look at the bike with such ridiculous pricing. We have the mandatory one which sounds like your 3rd party that is usually somewhere between 50-100eur and then the full coverage that varies but usually it was somewhere between 500-1000/year... also definitely pizza (just imagine you would have to eat only your choice, pizza has much more variety)
Nice one chaps, what I want to know is what's happened to Boothy, not seen him on of late, all OK?
I know sales figures are all anyone cares about, but i think of you take a look at tire sales, you’d have a better idea of how many/how often people are out there enjoying their machines. Just my 2 cents, cheers🎉