Stock Miata NC3 vs. 200whp Tuned RX-8
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- Today we have our slowest race yet! Quinn's 200 whp Tuned RX-8 vs. Matt's Stock NC3 Club. We did this race to set a baseline on the NC before bolt ons and tuning.
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Reminds me of racing 90s Ford escorts against the cavalier after school. 90 hp and being jerk wads and still under 50 mph.
Jason camisa said it best. In today's world where a camry does 13 seconds in the quarter mile. Speed doesn't make a car fun anymore. So you gotta buy a car that you love and brings something to you that can't be found in raw power. The rx8/nc is a perfect example of this
Absolutely. I got rid of my 500+ whp 135i to get an NA miata, the power has no meaning if the car has no soul.
Couldn't agree more. Driving slow cars fast puts a big smile on my face. Plus driving a car at its limits (even low limits) teaches you more than driving a beast at 50% of its limits.
I think I would like to see a grocery run between the 2 of you. How practical they would both be. Almost top gear style ❤
Rx8 will win😂
The fact you can fit a carseat behind, stroller in the trunk will give you leverage when the wife complaint about the car
You could put the top down on the miata and stack groceries 10 feet high
This is what it’s all about on public roads. Low power sports cars, burying your foot in the ground and just banging around town. Yes fast cars are their own level of of fun, but these moments are something special
I just sold my 95 Miata. This makes me want to get an NC. It just looks so good
You 100% won’t regret it for a nc2/3. I sold my turbo 94 to get a nc2 and I haven’t looked back.
@@Hxnry.69 does it feel bigger inside? Main reason I sold my 95 was because I’m too tall and my back was hurting after 30 min of driving.
@@Camj27 defintely feels bigger inside. I had to have the NA seat all the way back to feel even somewhat okay in a driving position but with the NC I can move it a few clicks up and it’s perfect. I’ve done driving longer than that and I never really felt bad after getting out
Remind me of driving my NA Miata. Full throttle I would barely hit 60mph lol. Now do that with my m3 and I look down I am doing 120. Something about driving slow cars fast will always be the best thing.
Stock held up pretty well!!
NC PRIDE
Anything with rx8 and nc in hitting the like button before watching.
I am super excited to see these two projects evolve together. Mazda love! -Fellow NC owner.
Great way to start the day! Incentive to get out in the garage tonight.
These looks are aging very well (when done right like these). Fun vid.
Awesome! Can't wait for the NC build 😎
I'm curious how the Miata will do after the header and tune. If it can keep pace with the RX8 it will prove the worth of doing the upgrades.
These cars (and their “limited” capabilities) are magic. The goal (for me and, it seems like, you guys) is engagement and excitement. Excellent video. Fun to watch. Keep ‘em coming!
Nice job guys! Looking forward to future content with the two and how the NC stack up against the 8 😊
Good video. The only thing you could have added was having the S2000 stalking in the background.
New subscriber. Looking forward to the build. My wife and I are enjoying her white 2013 Club PHRT. It is her daily driver. We are also in CT so you may see it around. I have completed the expansion tank, RPF1 on 235/40/17, Ohlins, Goodwin header, mid-pipe, muffler and strut tower brace. I do all of the work myself. Tune is likely next. The car works well on track too.
Damn you got the ohlins nice. My wife also has a miata she daily drives! Def get that tune it'll wake it up with that full exhaust. Fab9 has a good tune kit
I'm loving these videos! I had an NC1 and now have 2 NC2. They are a blast! Id love to see ITB or forced induction on the nc3, it came with forged internals from the factory ready for light boost!
Man ,I love Mazdas!!!!!!! Let's goooooooo🎉
Ya the RX8 isn’t a drag racing machine by any means but they certainly are a blast to experience! And certainly both of those cars handle better than a lot of cars with a lot more hp. You can see RX8s on tracks passing cars with a lot more power that can’t hang in the handling department for sure. Cool video, yall 👍🏻
Fantastic video guys. That was a riot. Good stuff!👍🏼
Thanks Brian!
Putting little brother (NC) where he belongs... 😂
The light weight wheel/ tire package on the NC probably helped to close the gap.
Now lets see a track/ togue battle! 😁
I had an rx8 and i want to buy one again. But this miata looks sweet . I am so divided rn.
Bro get the NC its extremely reliable, I've daily'd mine from 52k miles to now I just hit 100k miles yesterday over 6 years. Headache free ownership its so bulletproof.
@@diseasesjesus5078truth, I own an rx8 and its just not as reliable
Or... Brace yourself... it may seem sacrilege...
Get a drivetrain swap on your RX-8 with Keisler Automation with an LFX V6 engine, 6 speed transmission, and differential, with beautiful machined aluminum components, and computer and wiring. Full turnkey swap.
But be prepared to wait. It's on backorder.
You can build it yourself, or have them put it together.
The weight penalty is minimal, as it's an all aluminum heads and block, and the advantage is the headers are cast into the block, so you have room in the engine bay, just two pipes from the engine for exhaust.
280-300 hp, with 250+ torque, it's a game changer. It only revs to 7,200, but it's extremely reliable.
And engines and transmission and differential are between $500-$1200.
The kit is about $6,000-$8,000, depending on if you do it yourself, or have them build it.
So, there's that.
And Quinn has a video on it. Both street, and track.
RX-8 for the handling, wheelbase, and practicality.
NC Miata for secondary fun car.
IMO.
Can i just say the nc's shifts were buttery smooth and lightning quick! Impressive driving! Newly subscribed for the nc build but both are beautiful cars!
You should install the BBR 225 kit on the Miata! ITB's and all
Great video to watch. You must be local to me as I recognize some of the roads you’re on. Will be looking forward to seeing the NC build.
Great fun but I was hoping to see your latest Supra review! I’m hoping you’ll do a before mods, and after mods review. Can you update me before I 'Explode'? 😆
Looks just like my NC. Great content. Sub’d.
need more videos like this. looked like you had a blast
Really want both of these cars, but can only choose one, think ima end up going with the RX-8 and end up getting a mazda3 hatch 2nd gen, and a ND MX5 later down the line when most of the 30k-50k mile ND's drop under $20k.
Absolutely loved how the NC looked in this video by the way, and the styling mods (if any besides lip and rims) made the RX-8 look freaking good even as a 1st gen RX8.
Really needed to see this video, and it gave me a great idea of which to pick between the two.
Although not legal in CA, I’ve seen a few NC’s get their motors retrofitted with a 2.5 liter. Mild cam, headers, and tune.
Not one CARB shop could spot a 2.5 swap from the stock 2.0.
What is the 2.5 out of?
@@DSORDR1
A Ford Fusion or Mazda6 are the most common platforms.
So right about lower HP cars. 2 months with a '21' MX5 and have a '21' Supra which I love. But I have more connected fun in the Mazda! And more 'Erotic' fun in the Supra. ✌️
Beautiful cars. The Miata though... wow. Great video guys!
God this makes me miss my Miata. I sold my ND Club for a CX9 due to family use. I’m definitely getting a NC Club when the time comes for a fun car again. It’s just the right price. I’d love an RX8 too but just don’t know enough about a rotary.
Loved this! They both look so good!
turbo the NC to 300whp with fab9, feels perfect had it for 2 years never let me down.
I suspect maybe the wheel and tire package helps on the NC, but maybe since they’re wider probably close to stock weight.
I love this series!
What a fun vid. We dont need high hp races to have fun, isnt that the whole premise of the miata in the first place?
Great video to start your tuning journey. I'd love to see a BBR supercharger on the Nc.
Bbr itb kit you mean? ❤
When I drove my M2C everywhere, I was getting honked at and pissed off a lot of people. When I drive my ND2 the same way, no one gives a shit and thinks it’s cute. Lol
lol
The boys are back!!
I bought my white ‘13 Club three years ago and just have a blast with it.
The video is cool but I woukd love to see a comparison run at Line Rock full course. I believe the maita and the rx8 also share the same trans.
I'm excited to see how the NC stacks up against the S2000 once it's had some mods, I'd imagine they'd be pretty similar once the NC has 200 or so hp.
It's going to be exciting to see for sure!
Fun stuff - was that the GTA load screen music I was hearing??? lol
Its nice to not have to risk jail and have fun 😊
More rx8 content!😢
RX-8 FTW 🫶🏽
Dog shit miatas ftw
You're like 17 years old guys with fresh driving license :DDDD Loved this episode :D
It's the little things lol
NC has really short gearing which helps too
Y'all should take a road trip with these two gears and gasoline/top gear style
Cool video format
Please reduce the volume of the background music. Great content non the less
I loved my RX-8. To me It was a Miata I could take my wife and 2 kids with me in. I hated the fuel mileage though.
A quiet-ish exhaust car, with ~220whp is perfect. I'm glad to hear someone else agree 🤌
Good video
The NC is so under-rated! I have a big nose NA that's slow as a cow and my NC2 is a beast compared to it. Full exhaust with a tune gets you 200hp to the flywheel up there with a Honda s2000. The stock NC tune falls off after 5500 rpm. Super awesome budget sports car these days
I was looking at a mint rx8 w/ 11k miles recently. I wound up buying an NC2 PRHT instead.
The RX8 might be faster, but it's never going to be as fun or look as good as the NC PRHT
I have always preferred to go fast in a slow car, than go slow in a fast car
Smiles per mile
this doesn't help my desire for a NC2 with a 2.5 swap. Keen to follow the NC build
I love my Rx8 so much
With respect,I always thought your figures of 200 at the wheels were a bit suspect just for bolt ons.....I've never heard of anything higher than 190 without port work done.....maybe I'm wrong and you just have a bloody tight motor there
no a healthy motor will do around 200whp. Cat delete, ignition kit and tune will get it around there alone. After that you're chasing 2-3hp for each mods
I had a ltw flywheel, cat delete, ignition kit, airbox mod and tune, i got low 14 - high 13 second quarter mile! I was slightly faster than an ap1 s2k and even with an ap2. I did lose to a modded ap2 however
Vtec kicked in yo! 😂 its true.. you dont need a fast car to have fun
"why did this guy slow down a little bit and then speed up a little bit" lol
lol
@The Slip Angle Quinn, still loving that RX8 and what you've done to it. Looks so much fun to throw around. I remember last time you replied to a comment I made a couple of years ago or so about tuning the RX8 and about 20b n/a motors, and you mentioned that 20b's were too expensive and as far as the stock renesis in the car now, that you thought that you pretty much exhausted all the reasonable mods for the engine. But, in that question, I asked a question that you didn't answer though. I asked about what you thought about peripheral porting/street porting and lightened rotors and if you would consider those kinds of mods? I think there are rx8's that have done both with good results. I know the RX8 is the handling machine, but just wondering if you considered going further with more involved upgrades for the motor. Also, just curious, how often do you check the compression on the renesis? What about shorter final drive ratio for the rx8 and would you consider one? Like a 4.7:1 vs the stock 4.44? I've heard some thought the trans gears were pretty tall. For the track that you use, it could mean more shifting though depending on how short the final drive is, especially a 5.1. Might be more fun on the street though. Thoughts on that?
My 91 Miata has been on Vargus Motorsports for over 4 years getting a PPort 13b with lightened and balanced RX8 rotors. We'll see how streetable a Pport can actually be if I ever get it back. I just bought an Adaptronic for the RX-8 so we'll see if we can squeeze more HP out of it being able to properly tune it. I never check compression as there haven't been any indicators it's degrading. I have a 4.77 S2 diff installed in my car. We did a video on it a while back.
Torque matters to get a car moving. Thr nc has a fat torque curve. The rx8 has a line. The rotary engine for those watching doesn't make a peak torque it just makes whatever it makes and horse power goes up based on rpm. (stock porting) with the nc matching torque with it hitting lower and 300 lbs lighter would give similar acceleration up to a point. I bet gears a header and 91 tune would even things up.
random question here, have you kept the bennett built coolant tank in the rx-8? Im debating picking one up because my coolant sensor is failing. I've heard the bennett built tank overflows easily, but I'm going to extend the overflow hose deeper toward the ground.
I removed it for that reason exactly and went back to a new OEM unit
I wanna see you guys renesis swap the NC
Rx8s are so damn slow but so damn fun...I have a fresh streetported Rx8. Shes peppy but still...lacks that power and then you toss her into a corner way faster than you should and it just eats it like its nothing and demands more speed through the corners. One of the greatest cars ever. Also the stock leather seats are fkn comfy. Could sit in them forever. And then theres that sound...after 6k, it just screams but yet so smooth and creamy. Creamy scream.....lel
Agreed, probably the best driving mechanical sports car.
The ETS2 music in the background is killing me
Please please put all the bolt ons the nc3 then dyno then tune then re dyno the car. I put my car on the dyno stock 132whp mustang dyno then did bolt ons dc sport intake (cheap and effective) Goodwin catless header Goodwin cated mid pipe Goodwin street single then dynoed again 148whp. Then dyno tuned it 150whp and 1hr+ on the dyno to get the 2whp. I would like to see if you get the same results. Everyone claims 10-15whp with a tune I personally have not seen it.
The thing is the RX8's gearing is SO FREAKING LOOOOOONG. I think a really short final for a more fun focused car would make it much better, and for a good fun daily, I'd say swapping a ZF 8 speed would actually make a lot of sense with these - shorter gears, with 2 extra for cruising.
It's not long, you just have 2k more RPM to play with vs most cars. Mine is even shorter with a 4.77 FD differential now
@@TheSlipAngle exactly. I was about to say, I have an S2, which has the same rear end ratio you mentioned (4.77), and its not either too short or too long. The shortest ratios I've ever owned was my old Juke Nismo RS 6MT - that makes my RX-8 seem like a Corvette in comparison.
Just swap the 13B-MSP into the NC :)
Could you do a 981 Cayman S/ GTS/ GT4 review please?
Have one that you can donate for a review? :)
It's like Honda racing in the late 90's.
How is the NC miata 2500lbs and the rx8 2900? Doesnt the RX8 have aluminum subframes and other parts in more exotic and lighter materials? why is there such a weight difference?
The subframes are steel on both and the RX-8 is decently bigger with more sound deadoning, speakers, etc.
@@TheSlipAngle thanks
Where can i get a new engine for my rx8?
What wheels are those on the rx8 and specs? looks amazing!
Advan TC-4 18x9.5 +38 Umber Bronze. Special order as they do not have the machined ring lip
Just get the fab9 turbo kit for the NC and be done with it 350+ hp , then you can go up against the supra
hilarious!
comment for the algo 🤘🏽🔰
BBR 225 Kit with ITBs and you’ll beat the RX8 and the white miata 🤭
Maybe :)
If that’s a metra kit, how are you finding it? Regarding the aircon
Everything works! We did a video install on it recently too
@@TheSlipAngle awesome I’ll check it out as I need to upgrade
The S2 RX8 switched to 4.77 right any plans for that?
I think he already didnthat. They make 5.1 5.3 gears too
he already did the 4.77 switch
the funny thing is these cars are not meant for this type of driving
slow cars are more fun
God damn street racers.....
Rokin and racing...
Im calling 911... or 999 here get the call transfered.....
If you send me the wheels from the RX8... I mite not..call the 5....0
All good fun.... and of course safe......😉😉😉😉
N x
lol
2.5 swap then you'll have 200whp
This video made me want to jump out of my desk chair and go do hood rat $hit with my friends 🥲
Miata looks tough in that last scene Matchew 👊
Quinn, that paint is still looking cherry 🙌🙌🙌
We should definitely do some more hood rat $hit!