Rebecca Brown, Since the age of ten I’ve been sceptical about organised religions, l’m 61 now & come to the conclusion all religions are equally wrong in placing faith above evidence, scaring people into believing in a particular deity with the threat of eternal hellfire at the same time telling the same people “he loves you”, I just can’t understand that line of thinking.
John Moore Neither can I. It's brainwashing at its worst. To me it sounds like the kind of relationship that my mothers have always warned me against. They are controlled by god in every factor of their lives and what's worse is that they can't see that this relationship is a type of abuse
atheistsrnumber1 it has a chance to affect you? How? You might see them in the streets? Or maybe even talk to them?!😱 You can fuck off about “ homophobia isn’t real” clearly by that statement you yourself are homophobic! And don’t just reply to this if you do saying,” no it doesn’t exist”, because your not arguing properly and just throwing statements about. So at least, in this beautiful diversive world, accept that they exist and stop telling others who they can and can’t love because, like everyone, you only have one primary view, your own, and clearly you yourself are not a homosexual, so it is impossible to understand what they are feeling and experiencing.
Dani Van Velthoven ok I see what you mean, I just used the word “homophobic” as a general phrase which everyone understands for the view against homosexuals I do agree with you though, these who actively hate gays are just ignorant and horrible
The Bible also has really specific logistical guidelines for slavery and says that rapists should buy and marry their victims by paying the father off. It says you should kill people if you catch them working on a Saturday. If someone actually was a biblical absolutist, they would be dead or imprisoned very quickly. These people who defend their hatred of gays on biblical grounds just choose to hate the gays. Homophobia is a bad word. They hate gay people, they don't fear gay people. We could change the word, but I think it could be fun making reality reflect the definition of homophobia.
krinkov545 if you can spread gods word to me then I will never blaspheme again And if a Christian hunter can become a saint then so to can I be forgiven (Saul on the road to Damascus if you were wondering)
My mum has 5 children, with 3 different fathers, and has never been married once (Hate that I have to put this, but this doesn't mean she's a whore or a slag or that any of her children are uneducated, every child was planned, she just hasn't had great luck when it comes to men)
to be honest it makes me mad that it's even being debated on television. The simple answer should be "....what tf has this got to do with you?" why are they mad at something that doesnt affect them whatsoever?
Anticitizen 98 And what if a heterosexual couple can't have children? No, then it wouldn't be a problem. Did you ever heard of adoption, or fostercare? So you'd rather have children (who came from heterosexual couples who decided to have children and just not care for them, or abuse them or worse, but hey, I'm not judging) living in a orphanage or going through the system constantly, only to be thrown on the streets when they turn 18. Sure not my personal choice, but do what feels good. I'd rather help people, instead of only thinking about myself and never look to the rest of humanity.
Anticitizen 98 Yeah I do understand. So I make my point again: What if heterosexual couples can't have children. Then they litteraly can't have children of their own. But hey, based on your comment that doesn't matter. So why should it with homosexuals. By the way, that heterosexual couples can have children, doesn't mean they should have. I know lots of people who would be better parents, and would raise there children better than the biological parents ever would be able to.
@De Factio My words were why do people care about sex and in who you have sex with and what your sex is and why do people care about race as in what race you are what colour your child will come out. Your talking about religions and pedos... I dont believe in religions i dont care for there rules. I dont care for the rules of this dream we are all living in.. In there dream world its cool to be a pedo and a racist and eat babies i didnt come to this earth to judge something i have no control over or want to. I just had a thought that its weird that people still think about these no controllable factors that dont matter and shouldnt matter. Why are you asking me religious questions that we both dont give a shit about lol im confused.. Dont deep my comments i dont give a shit about nothing Im just doing my time on earth and making notes on the internet as i go along.. Non of this matters.. ITS NOT THAT DEEP
You clowns were triggered for decades before we allowed homosexual marriage, now you lefty types are triggered about us not allowing underage marriages.
Technicallyimright Thank you. It is good to wish the best for people, even if you are wrong about what is best. I feel sorry for you too, and hope things become better.
Ikr 😂😂😂 I honestly died. No one understands that we are in 2018 now. They don’t understand that the world moves. I hate change myself but that doesn’t mean I fight to stop it. That’s unhealthy
Im as progressive as anyone, and Im an atheist. I support gay marriage and equality. But i have to overcome the uncomfortable vibe I have about male gay couples. Never thought about it much, but its not my fault that I get that vibe.
@1113 Cntrl The only problem is we don't live in the Neolithic anymore. There is absolutely no reason to limit marriage to heterosexual couples when people don't get married for the same reasons that they did at the beginning of the concept of marriage.
@1113 Cntrl Your argument is irrelevant to Dran's argument. He's obviously talking about countries that are already progressive, in this case England. I agree there is a country that gives death penalty to homosexual people, but in a country like England, most people marry by love not procreation only
“Equality has already been reached” Well lady, that fact that you’re having a discussion about whether or not same sex marriage should be legal proves that equality hasn’t been reached
Carrie, is there equality for Muslims in the UK who don't agree with homosexuality? Do they deserve to live in a society where they can practice their beliefs?
Maria Makes Music the reason why people of faith are so against because they know down the line Christian church’s will be forced to carry out this sinful act.
@@manweller1 the legalization of homosexuality has nothing to do with forcing it into churches, or on anyone for that matter. The people that ARE enforcing their lifestyles on everyone else are those who try to deny someone the right to get married just because of their personal discomfort.
Maria Makes Music if that be the case why did a homosexual couple deliberately go to a Christian motel knowing they would asked to leave? The powers that be will forcing places of worship to carry out this sinful act. The real men&women of God will not bow down this or compromise the law of God.
The idea that a straight mother who accidentally had a child they dont want is more fitting to raise that child then a loving and willing gay couple is hilarious. WASPS just dont want the youth to be "brainwashed" by the gays
There are no "accidental" children in gay marriage, all children born into a gay family are thoroughly planned for and most are well loved compared to some heterosexual couples who abuse their kids and take them for granted.
cos all gay couples do such a wonderful job.... I must have imagined the UK news report of two gay men adopting a baby and one killing the poor child because he could not cope … the other helped him cover it up.... such darlings.
a question for the woman at 7:45 : if marriage is about children, then should we ban infertile heterosexual couples from getting married... its the same principle is it not?
Nium Johal And if we are also strictly following the biblical doctrine, shouldn't any woman who wasn't a virgin before marriage be put to death? The bible is rather clear about that; as well as demanding that women be totally subservient to their husbands, not speak unless spoken to and generally never leave the house without their spouse. So techincally this lady, for all her preachy attitude is actually breaking her precious biblical laws herself.
Thea The Genius just another typical religious hypocrite judging people when only god is meant to judge people. Reading the bible turned me into an atheist.
I don't think so. You do raise a very interesting question. I think marriage between a heterosexual, infertile couple is like a symbol of child bearing marriage - something good and pure. It encourages settled domesticity, seriousness and responsibility and allows those who could not have children to foster those things. People who marry in later age often mark an understanding of their union's lesser significance by being less extravagant with their party and invitations. It is a symbol in a pure sense and the rings and traditions are perfect tokens. I think those marriages are still good and useful.
Ambro Wait, you're actually defending that argument?? Infertile heterosexual couples can marry because they're "good and pure", but gay couples aren't??? You're acknowledging that marriage has symbolic value, but only for straight people??? At least you've been driven to the point where you're outright admitting your bigotry.
Exactly, the people shouting "it's about man and woman" are doing so retroactively. Nothing about marriage says that men can't marry, or the women can't marry, otherwise you wouldn't have straight marriages. If women can marry men, then men can marry men too, that's equality.
@@Capybarrrraaaa The reason people are upset is not because they hate homosexuals. It's more to do with the religious fact. Marriage is legal act to show god your commit to loving a person. It makes no sense to have gay marriage since the bible states that all sex apart from intercourse is sinful. But then again why would I care, I'm not religious.
@@jackwilliams6604 " It's more to do with the religious fact" No homosexual or homosexual supporter is trying to force any religion, group or individual to change their definition of marriage. They are making appeals to their governments to ammend co-habitation doccumentation to also benefit gay people. "It makes no sense to have gay marriage since the bible" From the Christian and other perspectives, I agree, but other cultures developed concepts of marriage seperate to and before Christianity. It might make sense in their definitions, like the secular definition, for example. Every example of opposition to gay-marriages being aknowleged by governments that I've seen has always been because of religious people trying to blur the lines between co-habitation documentation and a ceremonial, religious marriage based solely on the idea that they don't want 'the gays' getting in on their version of marriage. They can say "but my religion", but having your wish of segregation notified doesn't make it not bigotry. Until they can demonstrate that their objective god says 'no gays', then that's nothing more than their opinion.
@@Capybarrrraaaa Im not sure if the bible actually states that having an attraction to the same sex is a sin. But still I find it somewhat ridiculous that people want same sex marriage. But then again that's just my opinion. I don't believe in God nor any sort of religion, yet I do see sense in one (buddism).
@@jackwilliams6604 "states that having an attraction to the same sex is a sin" From what I understand, it forbids non-reproductive sexual acts and men 'laying with men as one would with a woman'. Though, I believe that latter part is specifically about male familial incest. "I find it somewhat ridiculous that people want same sex marriage" I find it rediculous that someone would want marriage full-stop, though, I mean that in the ceremonial sense. There are legal benefits to having a co-habitation officially noted. I also don't see why that should be limited to couples, it makes equal sense to allow parents & (adult) children, housemates, etc. to share that too. I also understand why people want 'gay marriage' rather than the current Civil Partnership. The existence of CP fundimentally just says "you're different and shouldn't be entitled to what the rest have". I can see how that would be insulting. "yet I do see sense in one (buddism)." Yeah. I can really see some sense behind buddhism. It doesn't really ask anything irrational of you, and has some pretty good teachings. It's probably one of the best examples of what religion can be.
John Moore / it is convincing, actually. It says that your personal religion shouldn't affect the lives of other people. A perfectly reasonable argument.
meaty, If religious people followed that ok, but they don’t, i don’t knock on people’s doors preaching atheism, yet I get many religious people knocking on my door preaching their religion to me.
I love what the one black women in the audience says: "Love does not need religion for it is not religious. Loving someone is not wrong, allowing the church to rule over people's lives is wrong." DAMN she said it
Things a re more complicated than that. Speaking of which, I fell in love with my coworker while my wife sat at home raising my kids. Don't hate me, the heart wants what the heart wants.
Felipe Lima --- Nope, consent is still one (if not the most) important thing in love. Children (and animals for the people saying that compare same sex marriage to marrying a dog) CAN NOT give consent!! But an adult of any gender can. So why would you restrict them from marrying someone of the same gender?
Felipe Lima - I am Dutch indeed but that doesn’t mean I agree with a monarchy (and it is also a fallacy, attacking the person instead of solely the argument) - However, I would argue that bestiality SHOULD be illegal, even if Canada has apperantly legalized it. There is still no consent from the animal. Even if the animal were to like the situation somehow, they still do not understand the situation fully and therefore can not consent. The same thing goes for children. Bringing up transitioning and gender expression is besides the point as well but alas you brought it up. Personally I believe that gender expression should be free for every child (and every adult by the way). If a boy wants to wear a dress, let him. If someone born with a female body wants to be called “Dan” instead of the original “Danielle” and referred to as “he/him” then accept that. Even if this did not have to do with gender, this is just respecting individuality and personality. However, I agree that surgery should not happen right when someone says “I am transgender” because it can be difficult to reverse surgery. Yet, in most cases surgery only happens after a lot of interviews and counseling and it is actually very hard to get it. At least WAY harder than for a man and a woman to get a baby, which is also a pretty big thing.
Imagine being so upset with yourself that you’d try and deny TWO OTHER PEOPLE getting married, something that doesn’t even effect you at all. Pathetic.
Um it messes up the entire education system, confuses children + next generation, restricts freedom of speech, disrespect towards other cultures and religions just to name a few.
Karamatsu girl people like me or people who are religious are now not able to voice our opinions openly without getting tons of hate and judgment because we are apparently ‘homophobic’. Now 3% of the population is trying to dictate what other people should say and accept.
Karamatsu girl in some places, you are not allowed to misgender someone. That’s dictating what people should or must say. That’s restriction of freedom of speech
Hannah Guo oh please, what bad is gonna happen to you if you misgender someone in "some places"? Someone politely correcting you to adress him or her in the gender he or she prefers? Oh that's terrible! D: You know what happen's to gay people in "some places"? They get beat up or killed over nothing. And your attitude isn't helping.
blEkk in Canada you can get arrested for misgendering someone. They don’t deserve to be beaten because that’s jut wrong, but in civilized, western countries, we are prioritizing them instead of focusing on real issues
The procreation or "child-centric" argument is pure nonsense. No one objects when an elderly couple get married, where the woman is past childbearing age and no children are possible. No one argues for the dissolution of marriages when either the man or the woman proves to be infertile and no children are possible. Very few would condemn a married couple who choose not to have children for their own reasons. Plainly, marriage is not about procreation or children primarily, or none of these marriages would be valid. 10:12 -- "No, no, let her speak!" He's saying that knowing full well she's going to dig her own hole, of course...
***** You don't know that about the elderly couple, and no one asks first if they have grandchildren before approving of their marriage. And the childless married couple is NOT providing a good example, since by this argument they're not fulfilling the supposed primary purpose of marriage. Your personal inclinations are neither here nor there, and it's arrogant of you to use them as a standard for what other people should be forced to do.
***** Your slippery slope argument is even more nonsense than the child-centric one. It requires a peculiar kind of moronic view of the world to even consider, and you ought to be embarrassed that you said it out loud in front of other people.
***** No, the purpose of a gun is to kill. Yet, some people choose to use them only for target shooting. But it's a stupid analogy anyway. What's missing is anything corresponding to the significant legal rights enjoyed by married couples. If not for them, there would be nothing to argue about.
***** You have GOT to be British, to be so deeply, blindly ignorant about guns. Hunting is killing, but guns were primarily invented for warfare, to kill people. No one thought, "Oh, wouldn't it be nice to have something that goes 'bangy' when it's set off?" No, they were looking for a better way to kill people, and they found one. It didn't take too long before they were also used to kill animals, but that's not why they were invented. They weren't invented for target shooting either. The primary purpose of that is to become better at killing people or animals without actually having to shoot at them. However, the fact that guns were invented to kill people doesn't make their use for other purposes (killing animals, target shooting without killing anything at all) somehow invalid. So your analogy doesn't work. Not that you can prove anything by analogy anyway; it's useful for illustration, not proof. In any event, this one is only valid if I buy the idea that marriage has always been primarily about children. I don't. There are no ancient sources that say so. Not even the Bible does.
***** Now I know you're lying. No one who really uses a gun for self-protection talks about shooting someone in the leg. You shoot expecting to kill. Period. Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true. Show me someone saying marriage is child-centered from some traditional ancient source on marriage like the Bible.
macky mac adultery is one of God 10 commandments. these are the ones he don't want you to break..the ones that upset him the most.. if gay relationship was such a sin. it be up there in 10 commandments..
@@yourmajesty8913 leftys will happy to against Christians but mention islam and their intolerance of homosexuality women etc and you'll be called racist
don't mind me should the countries be allowed to force laws on Churches? That's what looks like. People have free will. If they want to be sinners, they can, but they shouldn't call it marriage
@@NJDN1999 well in this subject, yes. If the law in a country is "gay marriage is allowed", people aren't FORCED to be in a gay marriage. If churches make laws for countries that say "gay marriage is illegal" EVERYONE in the country who is gay is not allowed to marry. And we're not sinners lmao
It shouldn’t need to be gay marriage, can we not just call it marriage? And then it includes everyone? That’s all we want to do, marry people. Let us do that
you're so right. i dont understand people who think they should be treated equally for who they are but don't think other people who are different to them shouldn't be
Ophelia Sebastian and, funnily enough, the people who were uncomfortable with freeing slaves are also the people uncomfortable with same sex marriage Source: Alabama
Sophie Amanda Leiton Toomey between a man and woman there is a possibility of Shared biological offspring. In case of gay marriage this does not exist.
@@kashootourselves6709 there are some infertile couples but in gay couples infertility is 100 % : they cannot have babies with each other. gay couples can have some kind of union but it doesn't have to be marriage
I always wonder how 2 people getting married would ever have anything to do with these people...are they gonna live in the same house with them afterwards?
It doesn't have anything to do with them. They just think it does. Personally I don't think it matters who you love, if you love them you should be able to marry them.
I have a biological mother and a biological father. My mother is the foulest she-devil to ever walk the planet. I would rather have two loving fathers than have a mother like that.
If only you could set out clearly-or define, a 'right'. As it happens-and you are in multiple company you cannot. The first rule of life that most seem to learn the hard way is:NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING-and it is often the penultimate bit of learning, and when it is too late. Bare assertion is not reasoned argument, because I bloody say so.Now you can laugh.What you mean, and I'm wholly with you, is that you would LIKE it if a small, helpless and newly arrived being had with it its causes-for it is a little of both, but the custom is to call causes parents, and in FACT each result or child is the result of two-polar opposite, causes, although there may well be a less readily apparent cause.That there is nothing objectionable about homosexual *practices* is a RELIGIOUS *belief*-a religion being any set of related beliefs assumptions presumptions and norms- the Mr god fantasy being entirely optional when one enters upon believing and assuming and norms-that maleficent invention called morals or ' I-am-right'. What is a right without a remedy, is a question that is posed to all students of the law of equity-which is entirely normative so long as men with guns can agree with your norms;law without power being merely a cypher.
+Chad K the marriage debate is a debate on whether some humans should have a basic human right. "love wins" means marriage should be about love, not a heterosexual privilege because some dumb fucking homophobes are uncomfortable with everyone having the same rights, simply because... well, they haven't had the same rights for centuries so it's "tradition"
Chad K Please research or at least think on your own about it before you spew nonesense around. You sound like someone who only repeats what other's told him. About which benefits are you talking about? Because as I see it, the benefits of marriage are made to make it more easier for two people to live their life together. (www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benefits-30190.html) There is literally no reason why that shouldn't be allowed for homosexuals. 'Family benefits' are only a very small part of these benefits - and even they aren't really about children. Marriage is not about 'getting a whole lot of tax money' so it doesn't effect you at all. Marriage, btw, existed long before christianity. It wasn't always about 'two people'. Even in the bible, Abraham had more than one wife. And sorry, if parents need 'benefits of marriage' to stay together and raise children, they're probably already worse parents than many homosexual peers. Also, why would you think then why homosexuals would want to marry, too? If marriage is only there to make 2 people stay together - thus limiting their freedom. The answer is: They already plan to stay together, they just want it to be easier to do (and to be accepted by their own government they also pay taxes to.) Because love isn't always about 'being a man and a woman' :) Anyway, it doesn't influence you in any way that homosexuals are now allowed to marry. Even if marriage WOULD only be about potential children (which it is not) that would be exactly what should be changed, too. There is no reason to reduce marriage to 'a construction only there for children'. It doesn't harm anyone if people want to marry just to stay together. And this (2 people marrying because they want to live togerther) was never an issue before the possibility of gay marriage. Marriage is what we make it be. THIS is logic. It's our choice to decide what marriage is about. Because making it harder for 2 people to live together just because they're different is discrimination. 'Anyone talking about love or human rights has no fucking clue about this topic. It's 1 man 1 woman.' Your pretentiousness is ridiculous. Do you went to university studying 'marriage' for five years or something that you think you know more about it than anyone else? If yes, please tell me now what 'love' is objectively about, too; and then we change the law and forbid other people to feel about this topic like they do, yes? And yes, it is a basic human right to marry who you want to regardless of if you plan to have children. Because that was always something heterosexuals had a privilege to. It's not like there even will be so many gay marriages it changes anything, mate. The percentage will probably be smaller than heterosexuals who marry just because they want it to make official and easier to stay together. If I stole your wallet while in your neighbour house someone is murdered, would you also say it's 'offensive to real crimes against human rights' to claim justice about the things I stole? After all, your neighbour got murdered and had it so much worse than you. So you shouldn't have the right to claim justice. Logic???? 'radical left gay agenda' You talk about this like gay people don't exist and are some sort of cult or something. If you're gay you're gay. You don't belong to the 'radical left gay agenda'. You just want to have the same rights and acceptance everyone who's heterosexual receives. 'complex/deep topic' Please, then. Begin telling me all about it already. Because I didn't see you doing that. Your only argument was 'marriage is for children' and that seems very simple to me. And lmao, again, if marriage wasn't about love that SHOULD be changed. So yes, 'love wins'. 'there is certainly evidence showing problems in many many cases.' Yeah, please, sources? Because just asserting this statement is easy. You shouldn't build an opinion on something flimsy like this, though. Also, I'm sure alcoholics are prone to be worse parents. Let's force them to out themselves and forbid them to marry! Because there are apparentely even more alcoholics then there are homosexuals www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-use-disorders. Also, please explain to me why homosexuals should be worse parents just because they don't consist of the 2 genders. Because as I see it, not every person of the same gender is the same; there doesn't exist a 'normal mother' or a 'normal father'. We're all just human beings trying to do our best - and if someone is intelligent enough/ tries hard enough, they're already better than so many parents right now. Of course, allowing people to discriminate the parents of a children will be a (probably the only, concerning generalization based on homosexuality) thing that can harm them. 'something very selfish' Woah, buddy, calm down. Because if you make conclusions you have to make sure you've got your basics right. Of course the 'gay agenda', as you like to call it, cares about the well being of a child?? Do you think they're aliens you can't possibly know or something? The only thing that differs them from you is who they want to hop in bed with. So yes, they care. And 1) I still don't see why 'being attracted to the opposite sex' should be that big of a factor in your parental skills, 2) so you think foster kids (who are given up by heterosexuals in most cases) who don't have a real home etc. are already better on their own than with homosexual parents?, 3) 'christianity agenda' or how we want to call it is heavily biased AGAINST gay people having the same rights. They are the one's who try hard to prove their point because it's written in their stupid book, along rules like 'you are not allowed to cut your hair' and 'you shouldn't mix fabrics of your clothes'. I think it's 'sickening' that they try to prevent children getting two completely devoted and good dads or moms. Let's be real, they care more about their prejudices and religion than they care about children.
So she would rather have children to be stuck in an orphanage till they’re 18 and be thrown on the street as soon as they come of age, than have a gay couple adopt them and give them a loving and warm environment to grow up in and actually have a chance at a decent future... Also the ´biological mother and father’ she’s talking about obviously aren’t around. So why not let a loving gay couple give this child a home?
President Garrison's Pink Strapon actually originally it does Adam and eve were married God joined them Jesus went to a wedding and so many more in the scriptures but you know neither the scriptures that clearly condemn dame sex marriage regardless of the things said by those on the show who are in same sec relationships
live let liv I'm *aware* of the scriptures that condemn same-sex relationships just as I'm *aware* that there are books that say Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse. You reject the latter, I assume, whereas I reject both since only children are interested in fairy tales, sonny.
@President Garrison the gay boy - Well show us a religion that thinks gays are a good thing. Accepting them with revulsion, and in most cases these days WITH COWARDICE - but Islam.......funny how you gays shit yourself when dealing with THEM, isn't it hypocrite ?
+Phil K pagan religion, wiccan religion are not against gays and so sorry but marriage has existed long before the fake bible and the fake god did, ancient greeks were bisexuals, they also got married and guess what the religion was pagan, no bible even existed then,
@@NJDN1999 Gods are merely invisible friends for adults that can't face reality as it actually is. Literally fairy tales for gullible adults and brainwashed children. Secondly, for you to believe in an unproven, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being... and claim to know it's mind and speak on it's behalf, is arrogance and self-centredness of the utmost order. Strange how the religious appear to end up with religions and holy books that fit their pre-existing thoughts and biases. Like every other Christian you cherry-pick those parts of the bible that fit with what you think and completely ignore, or dismiss, all the other parts. As for marriage in the bible, there are several different versions. Though how you can claim a book that condones slavery, murder, war, misogyny, homophobia, racism, child abuse, rape, beatings, racism and genocide, as 'moral' is beyond me. Why not try using the brain that you believe a God gave you?
Nnamno Joshua Nnadi - If you don’t like the idea because of your god, then don’t take part in it. We don’t believe in your god, so why should we follow their standards?
I hate how people pull the children card out while opposing gay marriage. Meanwhile there’s so many abandoned children (because some people didn’t think through when they had sex) that many gay couples would love to adopt
@@kimsmallz9860 because it's far from optimal a child learns from both mother and father... at first though , a boy gets closer to his mom ..then develops further, a girl gets closer to her dad ..then develops further that is the normal course of actions have 2 fathers or 2 mothers and you'll start missing things here and there it's more confusing than being raised by a single parent for the young child it's worse than being a single parent ... and that's bad too looking at statistics regarding criminal actions and so forth that's why people use that as an argument
Doktor Kranium That’s actually quite incorrect! In ‘traditional’ families, where biological parents are present, both boys and girls get first closer to their mother, always.
+Iamatreee Children born out of wedlock a bastard children(more of an insult to the promiscuous father who is out of the picture). Marriage should have happened before children become an issue. Marriage is between the partners, not the children.
+Iamatreee That is absurd. Marriage is the union between two people. The marriage/divorce laws were instituted to ensure children were accommodated. The marriage itself, is only between the couple being married.
+Iamatreee yes, and marriage itself was between a couple. Marriage was not for children. In fact, history has marriage being used for social and political gain through the union of families, where the people being married did not even love each other. The concept of marriage as a union of 2 people. The fact that a marriage happens to be the best environment for raising children, was not the reason marriage was instituted.
homophobes be like "every child deserves biological mother and father" but then those biological parents literally abandon their children after they came out as gay or lesbian ..while same sex parents do not abandon their children cause they are straight.. they are more committed to raising children and more tolerant ..why is everyone ignoring that ? which proves that those parents are not loving their children unconditionally and they do not understand their true feelings
There actually was a scandal with a scientist who landed a probe on a meteor or something. Whole thing was overshadowed by him wearing a shirt with scantily-clad women all over it. Feminists lost their shit, shaming him endlessly to the point of tears. The kicker? He didn't even pick it out himself - his WIFE got it for him as a loving gesture. Also, I've seen rather good, comedic shirts with Hitler on it too. So, you know what? I think Matt has a valid point here.
***** If someone genuinely wore a hitler shirt as support to those acts then i would think there was something seriously wrong with them... and i wouldn't think it would be nice or compassionate... but its a TSHIRT, it does no harm really that someone can't forget within 10 seconds and yeah it might be slightly offensive but i will fight for the right to verbally offend all day long - that concept is deeply married to freedom of speech
I love how intelligent and well spoken the hosts were. There was no shouting or yelling over each other. Even if their opinion was not accepted by another, they did not act out in aggression. I wish more people could discuss problems in a mannered, and mature way that these people have shown.
ABSOLUTELY....ALSO PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE MUCH MORE TIME TO THINK AND DO THEIR RESEARCH. AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEED REFUSE TO TOLERATE THE INTOLERANT LEFT. REMEMBER - 1/ HOMOPHOBIA IS AN IRRATIONAL FREAR OR HATRED OF GAYS - IT IS A DELIBERATE BULLYING TACTIC TO MISSUSE THE WORD TO TRY O BULLY PEOPLE INTO THE IDEA THAT BEING A PERVERT IS NORMAL. 2/ SO CALLED GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT MARRIAGE- THE DEFINITION WAS SET BU GOD AND THE LEFT NEED TO REALISE THAT THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO CHANGE DEFINITIONS TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA. 3/ THE IDEA THAT IT IS INTOLERANT TO LET GAYS DO WHAT THEY WANT SHOWS A LACK OF EDCUATION - TOLERANCE IS PUTTING UP WITH WHAT YOU DONT LIKE - IT IS THOSE OF US WHO FIND HOMOSEXUAULITY REVOLTING THAT ARE THE TOERANT ONES. 4/ A RIGHT IS SOMETHING YOU ARE OWED - AND WANTING SOMETHING DOES NOT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO IT..
Shaun Clark that's fine if you think that, but O.P. was making an argument for calm and rational debate, and your all- caps argument proved their point. I feel that your argument might have been better placed in a different thread.
That is a really stale, stupid, and illogical comment. You might as well say, "Don't like incestuous marriage? Don't marry a member of your own family." Same sex marriage is a sign of a morally corrupt, decadent, degenerate and decaying society.
@@alancadwallender That is a fucking stupid analogy. There are laws against incestuous marriages, as children born of incest are at a higher risk of genetic conditions. However, there are no negative consequences of one dude marrying another dude. So explain to me how allowing gay people to get married is a sign of "morally corrupt, decadent, degenerate and decaying society".
@twelvepeoplesz Sorry but that has to be one of the most idiotic and totally illogical statements that I have heard for a long time, but then I have yet to hear an objective and logical comment from the LGBT brigade.
To have someone state that they’re ‘uncomfortable’ really perplexes me. How do you think lgbt people have felt all their lives? You think they live comfortably? LGBT people face prejudice left, right and centre. That’s something to be uncomfortable with! You feeling uncomfortable is definitely no comparison to what all these people endure...
@tubehows4life You just have to look at the injustices and harassment gay people have to deal with, along with the high levels of depression in the gay community that occurs as a direct result of the sigma and rejection experienced everyday, to see that no one is gay because they think it's trendy or cool. Homosexuality has always existed. There were periods were homosexuals were much less visible due to the higher levels of intolerance at those times. You do know it was actually considered a crime before?
tubehows4life i think it’s nice that people feel comfortable saying they’re gay, although, if you read some of this comment section, i certainly wouldn’t be if i were gay... and i think it’s more that people have always been gay, it’s just more widely accepted now. the LGBT community has always been massive, just underground, and now it’s at a forefront in the media, etc. people may disagree with someone’s sexuality, but it doesn’t mean it’s going to go away anytime soon. (also, as a side note, gay people do still suffer horrifically just for being who they are, being killed, shot, beat up, harassed, even if it’s not the biggest taboo anymore. i mean, just read some of these comments. the women in these videos aren’t the victims - if they’re happy being openly homophobic on live television, happily so, i think they’re bold enough to deal with the backfire of it.)
@tubehows4life "Any trolls are being shot down and overwhelmed" Thank God they are shot down. It would be a huge concern if they were not. But the fact that they are here in the comment section say the most violent and gross things in proof homophobia is still a thing. The fact that the majority of people accept homosexuality does not change the fact that homophobia still exists. And homosexuals are regularly physically assaulted just for being gay. You can't state homophobia is gone and "that's a fact", when all facts show the opposite. I provided you with many link to various sources that all show homophobia is sadly still very alive in the UK. And comparing you're experience as a cyclist to the horrific experiences that gay people have to deal with is just stupid. If the Gay Pride is not your thing then fine. A lot of people (not only homosexuals) enjoy the parade and go along to party. So it has become bigger over the years. It doesn't change the initial message of the gay pride that is the gay community should not have to hide and should be proud of how they are.
@tubehows4life You said "demonstrating exactly the point that harassment of gays is all but gone." in your last post... I gave 5 separate links that all show homophobia is still a huge problem. And physical assaults are still happening at a daily basis. You just choose to ignore them as it doesn't fit your narrative. And stop it with the bicycle thing. That's your typical go to when losing an argument: "I'm the real victim here. Poor little me!" As for the gay pride, you are aware that not all homosexuals go to it? It's not everyone's scene. Stop trying to define the entire gay community with one event. Any festival or large event has some pretty crazy stuff going on. It doesn't reflect peoples everyday lives. Have you never been to any parties where people were letting down their hair and getting a bit wild? Why do you keep saying it's a fad? Are you saying it's a choice??? Please don't tell me you're functioning under that out-date assumption that has been disproven thousands of times? Here are the links about homophobia and violence we still have to deal with in the UK again if you missed that post (but my guess is you are just rejecting anything that doesn't suit your narrative): www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report --> Some extracts from the link: "At least 2 in 5 respondents had experienced an incident because they were LGBT, such as verbal harassment or physical violence, in the 12 months preceding the survey. However, more than 9 in 10 of the most serious incidents went unreported, often because respondents thought ‘it happens all the time’" "The existing evidence suggests that LGBT people are at greater risk than the general population of being victims of crime" "70% said they had avoided being open about their sexual orientation for fear of a negative reaction" And it actually seems homophobic incidents are becoming more frequent in recent years : www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gay-lgbt-hate-crimes-stats-rise-four-year-physical-verbal-homophobic-abuse-community-a7933126.html "More than one in five LGBT people have experienced a hate crime or incident due to their sexual orientation or gender identity in the last 12 months, compared with 16 per cent in 2013." Here you can see the number homophobic incidents per 10000 LGBT people in each region that were actually reported in just one year : www.amnesty.org.uk/homophobia-map-uk-england-wales But in all sources here above, you will find that over 80% of homophobic hate crimes go unreported (see also here : "Four in five LGBT people (81 per cent) who experienced a hate crime or incident didn't report it to the police" www.stonewall.org.uk/lgbt-britain-hate-crime-and-discrimination ) So as horrific as that map is, it's only the tip of the iceberg. You can also see many stats here that show how frequent homophobia and discrimination against gay people is. And that includes, everyday life, schools and the work place: www.stonewall.org.uk/media/lgbt-facts-and-figures
@tubehows4life So unsurprisingly, you have dismissed all links provided as being "leftist". By the way this one is a government link : www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report Here are just a few extracts: "The existing evidence suggests that LGBT people are at greater risk than the general population of being victims of crime" "Despite this progress on legal entitlements, research and evidence has continued to suggest that LGBT people face discrimination, bullying and harassment in education, at work and on the streets, hate crime and higher inequalities in health satisfaction and outcomes." "Over two thirds (68%) of all respondents with a minority sexual orientation said they had avoided holding hands in public with a same-sex partner for fear of a negative reaction from others." After simply dismissing any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative, you start with the "what about" arguments. "Gay people get harassed, but what about Jahova's Witnesses?" "Gay people get harassed, but what about cyclists?" (still can't believe you seriously use this as an example...). This kind of logic is toxic. As if one form of discrimination justifies or lessens another. All discrimination is condemned whether it's to do with ethnicity, sexual orientation or religious belief. And defending one group, doesn't mean you can't defend the other as well. But you'll never convince me that we need something special put in place for cyclists... "Cycliphobia" is not a thing. Homosexuality isn't a choice. I don't see what you're trying to prove by bringing paedophilia into the mix. That has nothing to do with homosexuality. Comparing a consensual relationship between two adults and a predatory behaviour towards a child is totally absurd and offensive. "Where has anyone defined homosexuality by just one event? Give direct referenced quotation." ==> You're the one who brought up the Gay Pride as if it had anything to do with the topic. You seem to think it is some kind of proof that homophobia is over and being gay is just a fashion choice. Again, attending a Gay Pride is one thing. Living as a gay person is another. As you said, there are non-gays at the Gay Pride. The Gay Pride is fashionable. But living as a gay person is totally different. We're talking about someone's life, not what clothes they are wearing... And again, like in one of your previous comments, you compare being gay to nazis. While simultaneously claiming homophobia is disappearing. I mean this is homophobia: "it's a fad and people get caught up in fads all the time (see Nazi fads, drugs fads, depression fads, tattoos fads, etc)" You just put being gay on the same level as nazis, drugs, depression and tattoos... That's mess up.
I am a Christian too! And I think this is absolutely sickening that some religious people can think of gay marriage this way. Love is love and god loves everyone not just straight people! I think some people need to grow up and realise that’s an old way of looking at things and frankly a really horrible way of looking at things. Love everyone
The bible is clear both in the old and new testament that sodomy is a sin. But people saying they are "christians" and whatever and supports this clearly shows who their god is, and it's not the one in the bible.
@@Joseph-jn3vo Love is also telling that something is wrong. Like homosexual behaviour. And clearly you haven't read the bible regarding the matter. Who do you serve, God or peoples opinions which ebbs and flows everyday?
Invisible Drummer yeah that’s completely if that’s what you believe but i just don’t agree with that! As love is equal and people who are homosexual should not be treated any differently with their love life! Love is love! And god flipping loves everyone, the way your mindset right is just putting Christianity back in the dark ages and not moving through the world and adapting! There is a reason so many have fallen away from Christ as they experienced condemning like this and don’t feel comfortable enough to go to church’s and be open about their partners, and that is so sad to me, that shouldn’t be any different from a straight couple.
Am uncomfortable when people bite into their ice cream but i dont think making it illegal is going to make me feel less uncomfortable by it. Thats my argument lol
"Marriage is between a man and a woman" - why tho? give me an ethical reason that isn't just you're religion says so "Marriage is about having kids" - okay so you're proposing that infertile people and those who just don't want kids shouldn't be allowed to be married? that's a very unpopular stance "Marriage is about religion" - apart from all the atheist couples that can get married at will, with vows available online to have a ceremony that is not religious. shall we ban that too? every fucking argument against gay marriage holds no water with a quick minute of critical thinking
Sibby Rose I think you'll find its about population control and social engineering ..couples reproducing is what the state required for a working population..that is no longer a necessity
Well, things a a bit more nuanced than love is love, but they should be allowed through law. Even though most gays don't really marry. It's a non-issue. Speaking of love being love, I fell in love with my coworker while my wife raised our kids at home. Don't hate me, love is love, the heart wants what the heart wants.
I agree with Diane Abbot marriage is a legal concept not a religious or moral concept - by this I mean marriage is technically a contract and it shouldn’t matter who the parties are entering it as long as they are consenting adults
If you find yourself saying "I agree with Diane Abbot" you should be very careful. Marriage has become a legal construct, but it was not originally a legal construct.
+paul morgan Haha I haven't even said anything related to an argument about same sex marriage and already there are shouts of homophobia. Shame on you :)
+paul morgan The left strikes again! Don't criticize a black person or you're racist. Don't criticize same sex marriage or you're a homophobe. You really do have to do better than that.
It's insane. I do not understand what these people have against this. I like both Men & women and if I wanted to date a guy I will (Edit: I do know why these people are against it, it's religion, as always)
@@markjones7251 How are gay people being used "as a political battering ram"? Why would this be affecting "white society"? No one is taking away Christianity. Anyone expressing homophobic or racist opinions are criticised regardless of their religion.
@@markjones7251 putting aside the conspiracy theory you are trying to spread, your logic would mean that people are being persuaded to be gay causing the decline in birth rates. Everything you have said is preposterous. But I'll entertain it for a moment. You are using the false assumption that being gay is a choice or that you can "make" some one gay. This is totally untrue. All studies show that sexual orientations cannot be changed. So there is no one "pushing" homosexuality on us, because that is not possible. You also seem to think that being gay is something that only (or at least mainly) occurs in western populations. This is also untrue. A person brought up in a more open and free minded family will be more likely to be open about their sexuality. This is why you might feel that there are less gay people among minorities with strong traditional values. But they still exist nonetheless, and in the same numbers as they would if there was a wider acceptance of homosexuality (because you don't choose to be gay). Regarding the other points, that are off topic from the debate in the video: "Westerners dont have kids" ==> this is simply untrue. Just take a walk out side in the park on a sunny day. There are kids everywhere. "they believe in nihilism, consumerism and hedonism" ==> At least half of the UK population identifies as Christian (just take a look at the comment section, there are many here). But even without looking at peoples religious beliefs, there is a strong sense of morality in western civilisation. That is why all forms of discrimination are pointed out and our society does it's best to irradiate this kind of thinking. "mass immigration" ==> you're usual red herring for all racist agendas "end of the west" ==> in what way? No country or way of life is set in stone. Movement of populations, changes in traditions and ways of life have always existed though out history and all over the globe. To try and keep things the same way is ridiculous. "democracy cant survive this" ==> can't survive what? Democracy is not showing any signs of disappearing.... Anyway, you will reject anything anyone says that does not back up your crazy conspiracy theory. Have a nice life 😉
“Marriage isn’t completely about love” Lady, just because your marriage is miserable as sin doesn’t give you the right to go stomping on other people’s happiness
TheWizardOfEgo Being against homosexual marriage means she hasn’t gotten sex? Very sexist of you. Most religious people have a lot of sex yet are against you
When someone begins their argument with ''I'm a Christian'' their argument is immediately irrelevant. Marriage has separate definitions in terms of religions and the state, so it doesn't matter what the religious view is if someone is marrying by the state. Gay people can't get married in a religious ceremony? Fair enough, if that's what the Bible says. But no one is saying the church has to redefine their definition of marriage and allow them to marry in their kind of ceremonies. We're all equals in the eyes of the law, therefore gay people have as every right as straight people to get married if they wish to. I don't see why it's an issue. I don't see why two people wanting to get married has anything to do with anyone else. I thought in an equal society people have the right to be whoever they want to be as long as they are not breaking the law or hurting someone. Blows my mind. Rant over. Sorry, this comment was supposed to be short.
Olivia Gordon Amen girl that's all they use and it annoys me I'm gay myself and proud I have a boyfriend he loves ME for ME and accept ME for who I am I love him for him and take all of him our anniversary is this year and we are getting a new house
Olivia Gordon When you dismiss someone's argument based on their beliefs you make your own argument irrelevant. I agree with most of your views but you shouldn't dismiss others because of their religion.
The fact that u dismiss someones opinion as irrelevant because they're a christian demonstrates nothing more than ur own prejudice. Im a gay atheist but I at least try to understand other peoples points of view and don't demand that anyone thinks or feels as I do. Had u made the effort to understand those who oppose gay marriage you would realise that some are genuine homophobes, but most are just people who do not want something they are uncomfortable with forced upon them by the power of law - gay weddings in certain religious venues, the bakery situation in the US, the gay couple who took the christian b&b owners to court - this is why it is an issue and the business of others. If those who claim to represent gay people could magnanimously settle for equality under the law, rather than desperately seeking outrage and attacking anyone who holds differing opinions, we might find a lot less opposition
I agree church and state should be kept seperate. I am gay but choose to be on my own because of my religious upbringing. It is difficult and I would never expect others to do it. I was verbally attacked by a gay Christian because of my upbringing despite my fully accepting him and his partner
Tom I dont think she means because they’re Christian. I think she means that a-lot of religions have different opinions of marriage and what a ‘sin’ is. I mean, to many religions if u eat meat, its a sin, but its not a sin to you so why should you not eat it? So if its a sin for gay couples to marry to Christians, why should non Christians getting married care what they say? They shouldn’t. And even if you are a Christian, doesn’t God teach you to love everyone, no matter who they are?
Being Christian means you read the Bible and follow its teachings. And in the Bible, it clearly states marriage is between a man and a woman. You can be open minded as a Christian but that is what the Bible says. In fact many Christians are respectful of gay people even if they are against that view. I am pretty sure the Bible does not state anything about gay marriage and because of that, does it mean you can assume it is ok? Either for or against, it is not up to you or the public to decide because it is the will of God. If it is not written, is it not safe to follow tradition rather than change it into something God would be totally against? Seeing it from this stand point, I can understand what Christians are thinking... This is from me, someone who is not a Christian. Maybe if you are more open minded... you could see that...
@@otismoran8512 Come on... even I am not Christian and I know they believe God made us to have free will and that God judges what you did with that free will when you die... To interfere means to interfere with that free will. It is like saying God does not interfere in war so clearly he isn't bothered. Stupid argument. Again... the Bible does not care for social means. I personally think it is stupid to try bend a religion that has been around for thousands of years to fit social wants. The Bible is the word of God... not the word of man... don't get it twisted...
@@otismoran8512 The Bible is the word of God and to say it is fine is to put words in Gods mouth... If something is not stated, is it not best to either assume it is bad or just simply do not do it in case?
Wolf_Nate_1625 Of course. I’m wrong. The religious are completely enlightened. With their Bronze Age myths and their young Earth creationist garbage. All this without a shred of proof despite the Church having millennia to come up with something, anything, substantial. Cue the “how can something come from nothing?” bullshit. And the atheists eat babies nonsense. We’re all evil, just angry at god etc, etc, etc... boring af. Yawn...
Gay Marriage (or just marriage because thats what it is) doesn't concern absolutely anyone other than the two people in love and wanting to spend the rest of their lives together.
@TheTruthWillOut Not all people who officiate ceremonies are religious tho, you can chose you not have a religious wedding, there for not having a religious person officiate....so no it wouldn't concern that person in the slightest
@TheTruthWillOut Very true, no one has to do something they're uncomfortable with, or something they don't agree on at all. The only thing that annoyed me was that these people who don't agree on marriage between people of the same sex, are making it out like it effects them when it really doesn't, affect or concern them. if you get what i mean. its not going to change their everyday life, so they should just let people have the rights they deserve and are entitled to really. but i do see what you mean and someone who doesn't agree with it in no way shape or form has to be involved or be comfortable with it if their not. Just get on with their day.
TheTruthWillOut I am not sure about how it works in the UK, but a lot of the US is deeply religious and they are not forced to do gay marriage ceremonies. It only entitles the same sex couple to a civil marriage (marriage licenses) and beyond that, religious establishments can choose whether or not they will officiate same sex marriage. It does not force anyone to compromise their religious beliefs and I think many people are being intentionally misled about this.
Based on that blonde woman's logic (apparently not a logical one), what if one or both partners in the marriage (that is, in her mind, based on procreation) are sterile? Are we going to take away their rights to get married as well?
YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT - HOWEVER JUST BECAUSE HER ARGUMENT IS FLAWED DOESNT MEAN THE PRO-GAY 'MARRIAGE' IS RIGHT. YOU SEE A 'RIGHT' IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE OWED - AND AS GOD CREATED MARRIAGE AND DEFINED IT - GAYS HAVE NO RIGHT TO IT AND IT IS NON OF THEIR BUSINESS...NOW YOU WILL PROBABL MAKE SOME COMMENT ABOUT 'IDIOTIC RELIGION' AND 'THAT STUPID BOOK' RIGHT?? WELL YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE IS MASSES OF SCIENTIFIC, GEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL EVIDENCES TO PROVE THE BIBLE TO BE RELIABLE AND HISTORICAL ACCURATE- PLEASE DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT CHECK HE FACTS FOR YOURSELF (WWWJOSH.ORG AND WWW.CHICK.COM) NOW GOD MAKES THE RULES AND WE WILL ALL BE JUDGED BY THEM - NO BODY HAS ANY SAY IN THAT. SO I WOULD BE SMART AND CHECK OUT THE BOOK OF ROMANS (NEW TESTEMENT) TO SEE THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID HELL..
fynes leigh yes. Civil rights, for example. Many gay and trans people around the world still don’t have those. If only you had the faintest trace of a braincell. Do you know what a braincell is?
YES - I think about that all the time! It terrifies me that so many people are predispositioned to do that. I hope I am always the person to never drink the Kool-Aid, and question the status-quo all my life.
Indeed, the older folks are the ones who are wise. Regrettably, they debate younger people who have been very easily brainwashed into believing in the evil, Satanic leftist pro-sodomy agenda. "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
You wrote what I've been thinking all this while! Haven't you noticed a disturbing trend where people are quite liberal in their views when they're young but become increasingly fixed and conservative as they grow older? That scares me. I don't ever want to be in a place where I refuse to acknowledge the other side of the argument.
The FACT is, FACTS don't care about your feelings. And the FACT is the general public wanted same sex marriage. Stop relying on feelings to make arguments.
Should I care about your sexuality? I never asked, so irrelevant. So am I, but I'm not apologetic to people who put their emotions in the rule of law. Law is not about wrong or right, or bad and good...its about legal and illegal. Number one thing if you study law is - law is determined by what's legal and illegal. You don't get brownie points or a gold star for being gay. Irrelevant to the conversation. You've misjudged the comment entirely. We're talking about changing laws, and emotions are not what we use as Carte Blanche to rule out the definition of a law or right. If every politician who was sad about famine ruled by emotion there wouldn't be a homeless person on the street. Stop being ridiculous...
I HAVE A POINT i mean, it is all about WHAT made them uncomfortable. if me or someone just existing as a gay human being makes a straight person uncomfortable, fuck them! they are not right. but if a gay person tongue fucking someone in the middle of a park, they have all the rights to be uncomfortable. because i wouldve get uncomfortable seeing someone’s PDA if theyre gay, or straight. i mean, in the end, it’s all about the equality i gurss.
I agree with this woman. Same sex couples can have a Civil Ceremony, but marriage itself is a holy sacrament and should be reserved for heterosexual couples only. The Law should not have been changed.
YOUR ARGUMENT IS SO PATHETIC - OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW YOU DONT ACTUALLY HAVE AN ARGUEMNT AND ARE TO ARROGANT TO ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG AND SO GO FOR THE PERSONAL ATTACK - 1/ HOMOPHOBIA IS AN IRRATIONAL FREAR OR HATRED OF GAYS - IT IS A DELIBERATE BULLYING TACTIC TO MISSUSE THE WORD TO TRY O BULLY PEOPLE INTO THE IDEA THAT BEING A PERVERT IS NORMAL. 2/ SO CALLED GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT MARRIAGE- THE DEFINITION WAS SET BU GOD AND THE LEFT NEED TO REALISE THAT THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO CHANGE DEFINITIONS TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA. 3/ THE IDEA THAT IT IS INTOLERANT TO LET GAYS DO WHAT THEY WANT SHOWS A LACK OF EDCUATION - TOLERANCE IS PUTTING UP WITH WHAT YOU DONT LIKE - IT IS THOSE OF US WHO FIND HOMOSEXUAULITY REVOLTING THAT ARE THE TOERANT ONES. 4/ A RIGHT IS SOMETHING YOU ARE OWED - AND WANTING SOMETHING DOES NOT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO IT. 5/ THERE IS MASSES OF SCIENTIFIC, GEOLOGICAL AND OTHER EVIDENCES TO PROVE THE BIBLE TO BE HISTORICALLY ACURRATE AND RELIBLE - AND GOD WILL JUDGE YOU BY HIS RULES AND YOU WONT HAVE ANY CHOICE IN THE MATTER- HE ONLY CHOICE YOU HAVE IS RECIEVE GODS FORGIVENESS WHILE YOU STILL CAN - CHECK THE FACTS FOR YOURSELF. AFTER ALL IS BURNING FOREVER IN HELL WORTH IT FOR A GOOD SHAG?? WWW.JOSH.ORG, WWW.DAYONE.CO.UK AND WWW.CHICK.COM..
Jeremy G ... Marriage is a religious ceremony. No religion in the world recognises the concept of same sex marriage. To call a "civil partnership" ... a marriage is offensive to the billions on people who follow the three abrahamic religions!
Plushguyconnor ... you sound like a bird! Grow a pair. Marriage is a religious event! No religion in the world endurances same sex marriage. Facts don't care about your feelings. My position isn't biast. As I have no religion! But at least I have the respect to offend billions of people's faiths! Civil partnership is not marriage! And never will Be! Call it whatever you wish! But it is not reality! By all means dream away..
There is no logical reason to be against gay marriage. It doesn't affect straight marriage in any way; in fact it doesn't prevent us from doing anything. If you disagree with the lifestyle, don't practice it.
James.H. fear is an illogical thing because people fear what they don't understand there's nothing wrong with that you can't help but get scared once in a while but if you use that as an excuse your weak and repulsive
If you’re against same-sex marriage, don’t enter into a same-sex marriage. Don’t worry about what anyone else is doing if they aren’t causing you harm.
@krinkov545 I’m not a Christian so your Bible means nothing to me. Again, if they aren’t harming you or anyone else, mind your own damn business and get your own life.
this is the last cookie Are you pro gay marriage or anti gay marriage? Probably the latter, but you could be one of the few skeptics that try to challenge their own side in order to strengthen the argument.
If someone steals your car they are still doing so without knowing that you will make the decision to not pursue having it returned or to press charges. They would have no reason to assume that you wouldn't be negatively affected by their actions, but choose to do so anyway. I think a strong case could be made saying that is immoral. However, there are situations like Robin Hood where money is stolen from the extremely wealthy and given to impoverished people. Some may say that is heroic, some may say it is immoral. Morality is not black and white. If you are a car thief, you cannot be certain that someone you steal a car from will agree with your actions without asking directly. Insurance may afford them a new car, but what if the one you stole had sentimental value? Not to mention the feeling of violation that comes with being stolen from. To claim that it would be moral to steal someone's car because they'll 'eventually be content' is quite a reach. In the case of underage sex, I think it can be made black and white. Children do not have the mental capacity to comprehend what kind of long term effects sexual activity will have on their lives and are therefore incapable of consenting. To consent, you must understand or at least be capable of understanding the act you are engaging into. Although intellectual maturity comes at different times for different people, the law generally dictates 18 as the age a person is able to consent to sexual activity. At least legally, an 18 year old can engage in sexual acts with any other person(s) also above the age of 18. Whether you feel comfortable with an 18 year old (same-sex or otherwise) engaging in a sexual relationship with someone who is 50 years old is not really of any consequence to the situation. There are plenty of immoral things that a 50 year old could do to an 18 year old they are engaging in a sexual relationship with, but the sex itself cannot by applied to a moral scale. Sex may be involved in immorality if it is coerced or achieved through deception. But in those cases the sex itself is still not the immoral factor, the coercion and deception are. Indulgence in sex is not moral or immoral because morality is in the outcome of an action, not the action itself. Murder is wrong not because the act of shooting a gun or stabbing with a knife is wrong, but because the outcome of taking someone's life against their wishes is wrong.
John Fisher lol given how passionately you feel and think about gays, I think you really are gay yourself, and for some reason terribly afraid xD cheers mate you'll get it eventually ;) ♥
+jan simonides there's a difference between a man marrying another man compared to marrying his mother (1) the other man did not give birth to him (2) the other man is not biologically related (3) it's againts the law to marry your mother
+finn191275 a lot of gay relationships last longer than straight marriages considering 50% of straight marriages end in divorce yet thy think thy have the right to stop gay people marrying wen 50% of straight people can't even make their own marriages work
+jan simonides the percentage is irrelevant why should gay people take note from straight people about the sanctaty of marriage wen 50% of the straight people get divorced thy can't even make their own marriages work yet expect to dictate over gay people
+finn191275 We are not talking about whether gay or straight marriages work or not we are talking about the normality of men marrying ( GAG!! ) other men. And it just plain aint normal. And if you say it is then you aint normal either. But by judging all your previous past comments I think we pretty much knew that anyway.
@Ignasi Marti Palet - So you're saying that the person who said can't use it because it isn't YOUR opinion ? People CAN say it and not have to refer to you. It IS an argument
Phil K Saying "I'm christian" is not an argument. Not all christians think like her. But even if that was the case, people who don't believe in that religion couldn't care less about their believes. Gay marriage isn't a religious topic is a civil rights topic. I won't change my way of living because muslims believe It's wrong because I'm not muslim, so I don't expect gay people to follow what some religious people think. The Catholic Church says NOTHING about civil gay marriage, there's not even a consensus in the Church lol.
i feel like the religion is being blamed when the problem lies with people's intepretations of that religion in an extremist sense. I feel like it's just easier to blame it all on a religion rather than the people inside that religion.
I may be an agnostic but I respect everyone and their religion, if they want to have faith in something, it doesn't affect me at all and as long as they're nice to me, and others, then I don't care if they're christian, muslim, buddhist, hindi. As long as they appreciate mine and many other's sexualities and lifestyles then that's fine by me. Equality for all!
@Anton Babani oops you're wrong there, some animals have populations that are *exclusively* homosexual, sheep for example where about 10% of Rams are exclusively homosexual, I'd say that'd be enough to be considered a lifestyle
@Anton Babani you obviously wouldn't have because the farm has very few Rams, and because in the presence of humans they would be focused on fleeing from you. Do you understand statistics by the way? Also here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3085551/
I was uncomfortable with the concervative party being voted into power. Democracy is a double edged sword, some fights you lose, some fights you win. If the majority want gay marriage, and you can't accept living in a country with gay marriage, move to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Fully agree but remember, it's not just a book. It's a book written two fucking thousand years ago...you know, by people who thought that slavery was okay, genocide is okay, that raped women have to marry the rapist, etc. We should be listening to the opinions of people who also believed that you should put a dead toad under your bed to cure warts. Sorry if I don't take what The Bible says too seriously Miss grey haired Christian lady. lol.
***** Religion (in particular Christianity) hijacked marriage and claimed it for itself. Ceremonies celebrating the union of a couple has occurred since the beginning of recorded time; with or without religion. The Bible didn't invent religion.
@Beverly Mandahl Exactly, because the idea of homosexuality vs heterosexuality is only 200 years old, give or take. What we would call gay relationships today was perfectly acceptable in Ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, Mesoamerica, Japan and elsewhere. Probably the main thing in Rome, for example, was the man of higher status had to be the dominant partner.
@Beverly Mandahl I'm well aware that pederasty was practiced, but no, there is no slippery slope that will end up making it legal. The most I've seen is people treating it more as a mental illness than criminal behaviour, at least the ones who haven't harmed a child
The institution of marriage was when a man gave his daughter away for breeding in exchange for land and livestock. The daughter had no say in the matter. Gay marriage is more about love than the traditional values of marriage which in some ways let's face it, was close to sex trafficking.
I want to get excited about my girlfriend to everyone! I wanna tell my grandma about how gorgeous she is and how much she makes me smile! I don’t know why I have to be afraid to say things like that? I don’t want to lose relationships?? And I can’t tell everyone about my relationship bc she’s lost three friends and she doesn’t want to lose more?? I shouldn’t have to hold back??
I know how you feel! I just turned 14, and my girlfriend and I kissed for the first time today, and I love her so much. I just wish I could tell the other people I care about so much.
All my life i have believed people getting married just got married because they loved each other. I still believe this. Marriage isnt all about the kids. Having kids is a choice. Marriage is about bringing in two people that ACTUALLY LOVE EACH OTHER together for the rest of their lives til death do they part.
Replace "gay" with "interracial" and where do people like this Christian woman stand? Because 50 years ago, that was the argument that had to go to the Supreme Court of the United States of America.
Jim Keddy stretch90 Queencrazy1997 What I'm saying is that she said about why should they change the definition of marriage when equality already exists when it doesn't when she is saying that they shouldn't be able to marry because of that reason.
Jim Keddy I didn't understand most of that, but you said "GAYS are odd people" What is odd about being attracted to someone and loving them? Love has no gender, race or religion. LOVE IS LOVE. And I don't understand if you think that being gay is a choice or not. But as a gay person, I can tell you that it is NOT a choice and there is NOTHING wrong with it! What's wrong with two gay people marrying each other? It's love and love is beautiful! And if you say that throughout history marriage has been between a man and woman. Women never used to have the same rights as men did, but they do now. History moves on!
An institution that has been around for thousands of years? You mean when a middle-aged man would pay a 12 year-old girl's father a few goats or rabbits or some silver? The institution of marriage has already changed so much- it has gone from an arrangement for the purpose of business or procreation or family reasons to a commitment made to someone you love and want to spend your life with.
That one girl to be fair, the original purpose of marriage was political and used to unite houses It didn’t become a romantic concept until much, much later
DespairNemesis the entire argument here as to biological children in marriage is basically a slap in the face to every solo parent, widow or adopted parent. It’s also conflates two very separate issues. An individual or child (isn’t exclusive to children) will seek out role models regardless of whether they have a mother or father present - it’s not guaranteed that those parents automatically fill the role by simply being present.
Wow!!! NEVER in my lifetime did I ever expect to see the world change as it has in regards to homosexuality. I was born in 1944 . During the early 1960's My friends took me to see someone who was a hermaphrodite. I came out to him/her and got the best advice I ever received. "Be Yourself" I knew instantly I had that right. I from that day onward came out to all my friends. The 1960 well..that was a long time ago; things were different back then, but it was a time for coming out for a lot of us. I hope my doing so helped pave the way for what is happening in the world today. I was accepted by all my friends and met many who were like myself. I want to thank you all for opening your minds and your understanding. You have all made your world a better place.
+Robert Worth Everyone plays a small role! I'm grateful that people like you dared to come out back when it was far less safe, because it made it much easier for my girlfriend and I to do the same today. Few things ever change without some blood sweat and tears, sadly, but thankfully things really are progressing. I'm glad that it turned out well for you in spite of everything!
+a bond What a nice story; thanks for sharing it. You know things take time; and eventually no one will bat an eye. I am sure neither of us expected to happen what has happened in our lifetime. You two mom are doing an amazing job with your daughter. I wish you all the best. What a great family!! Well done.
+Robert Worth You are a brave person, big respect to you. I was not around in the 60s but from what I've heard, it was still a difficult time to be gay. I've heard about so called "poofter bashing" that people used to take part in.
+Joe Will Thank you Joe. To be really honest here; during the 1960's and onward to the present day; I have not experienced any problems because of my sexuality. The 60's were a peace loving generation and a sexual revolution was born. Everyone was loving each other and it didn't seem to matter who it was with. I never had so much sex in my life. I was just me as I knew I had the right to be. I know for a fact that many of my partners were straight.
My absolute favourite analogy when it comes to this topic - “ I went to subway today to get my favourite sandwich. The guy in front of me ordered a different sub. I was pissed because he didn’t get the same sub as me, even though it didn’t affect me in any way. This is what people sound like when they say. Gay marriage affects them”
Vita Thaïs and that’s a wonderful thing. Our archaic ideas will die with us so humanity can move forward. Can you imagine that the same bible people use to tell people whom to marry also supports slavery? That’s right. Know your bible
dave_császár biology is not archaic. Abolishment of slavery Arose from the Christian idea that every man is worthy as an image of God. HOWEVER after creation of man, there was the Fall, and that’s why we sin. Yes, know your Bible. Hope you have read it.
"Marriage is not primarily about love." So, if a couple can't have children for whatever reason (i.e. infertility) then their marriage is useless? Not sure where the logic for that comes from. Also think its hilarious that you'd admit on national TV that you essentially don't love your husband.
Nowadays, the meaning of marriage in majority of cases is unclear. Yes, people say it's a celebration of love but I see it as an excuse for a woman and a man to have one day where they get to flash their cash and have the spotlight on them. If marriage was really about love, then 50% of them wouldn't end in divorce.
It's okay to say 'I can't do that because of my religion' it's not okay to say 'you can't do that because of my religion'
Lydia so true. Kind of perverted how obsessed they are with other people’s sex lives.
Shaun Clark I’m genuinely so sorry that you have been brainwashed in this way. You sound crazy.
Shaun Clark Shut the fuck up
Michael J I’m not denying it’s a sin. I’m saying what your religion considers a sin shouldn’t stop others from doing it
Lydia Why should a non-Christian have any say in what a sacred Christian tradition is supposed to be?
Wait so sterile couples aren't allowed to get married????
how? please explain
Emma Floop you're fucking ridiculous
theRightizright No actually they are not a sin do you want to know why?
CHRISTIANITY HAS BRAINWASHED YOU!!!!!!!
Rebecca Brown, Since the age of ten I’ve been sceptical about organised religions, l’m 61 now & come to the conclusion all religions are equally wrong in placing faith above evidence, scaring people into believing in a particular deity with the threat of eternal hellfire at the same time telling the same people “he loves you”, I just can’t understand that line of thinking.
John Moore Neither can I. It's brainwashing at its worst. To me it sounds like the kind of relationship that my mothers have always warned me against. They are controlled by god in every factor of their lives and what's worse is that they can't see that this relationship is a type of abuse
What I don’t get is
Why are homophobic people so bothered?
It doesn’t affect you
Because it has a chance to affect us
and homophobia isn't real
Omg that first old lady talking in the video was homophobic. Do u know what it means?
atheistsrnumber1 it has a chance to affect you? How? You might see them in the streets? Or maybe even talk to them?!😱
You can fuck off about “ homophobia isn’t real” clearly by that statement you yourself are homophobic! And don’t just reply to this if you do saying,” no it doesn’t exist”, because your not arguing properly and just throwing statements about.
So at least, in this beautiful diversive world, accept that they exist and stop telling others who they can and can’t love because, like everyone, you only have one primary view, your own, and clearly you yourself are not a homosexual, so it is impossible to understand what they are feeling and experiencing.
Dani Van Velthoven ok I see what you mean, I just used the word “homophobic” as a general phrase which everyone understands for the view against homosexuals
I do agree with you though, these who actively hate gays are just ignorant and horrible
Because it gets painfully annoying when people start to force it on you to accept.
the bible talks more about shrimp being a sin than homosexuality
Nemvsis shrimp is very important tho how dare you, shrimp is on the same level as murder never mention that disgusting thing again
HAHAHAHAH OMG
The Bible also has really specific logistical guidelines for slavery and says that rapists should buy and marry their victims by paying the father off.
It says you should kill people if you catch them working on a Saturday. If someone actually was a biblical absolutist, they would be dead or imprisoned very quickly. These people who defend their hatred of gays on biblical grounds just choose to hate the gays.
Homophobia is a bad word. They hate gay people, they don't fear gay people. We could change the word, but I think it could be fun making reality reflect the definition of homophobia.
krinkov545 if you can spread gods word to me then I will never blaspheme again
And if a Christian hunter can become a saint then so to can I be forgiven (Saul on the road to Damascus if you were wondering)
Nemvsis and I bet, you never read the Holy Bible cover to cover.
"Marriage is about having children."
Urm, pretty sure you don't have to be married to have children...
Nor do you have to have children because you are married.
My mum has 5 children, with 3 different fathers, and has never been married once
(Hate that I have to put this, but this doesn't mean she's a whore or a slag or that any of her children are uneducated, every child was planned, she just hasn't had great luck when it comes to men)
And those kids from unmarried couples are more likely to experience so many dangers compared to children of married couples
@@algonzalez6853can you prove it?
It helps.
Complaining about gay marraige because it's against YOUR religion is like being angry at your friend for eating a donut because you're on a diet.
to be honest it makes me mad that it's even being debated on television. The simple answer should be "....what tf has this got to do with you?"
why are they mad at something that doesnt affect them whatsoever?
@@thedrunkenramblingsnorthea4201 why want something that isn't made for you ?.....like his dung hole....let alone marriage
Louder for the people at the back! This should be on T-shirts, awesome dude 😎
@Gerald Glancy So you'd be okay with it if they get married in a mosque?
Why do you have a problem with gay couples getting married?
The prime minister of Finland being the youngest ever at that was raised by a rainbow family, two mothers.
Not all couples want to have children. A heterosexual couple may not be necessary want to have children.
Natalie Gifford But in principal they can and homosexuals can't.
Anticitizen 98 that is true
Anticitizen 98
And what if a heterosexual couple can't have children? No, then it wouldn't be a problem.
Did you ever heard of adoption, or fostercare?
So you'd rather have children (who came from heterosexual couples who decided to have children and just not care for them, or abuse them or worse, but hey, I'm not judging) living in a orphanage or going through the system constantly, only to be thrown on the streets when they turn 18.
Sure not my personal choice, but do what feels good.
I'd rather help people, instead of only thinking about myself and never look to the rest of humanity.
Angel Skyline Clearly don't understand what 'in principle' means.
Anticitizen 98
Yeah I do understand.
So I make my point again:
What if heterosexual couples can't have children.
Then they litteraly can't have children of their own.
But hey, based on your comment that doesn't matter.
So why should it with homosexuals.
By the way, that heterosexual couples can have children, doesn't mean they should have.
I know lots of people who would be better parents, and would raise there children better than the biological parents ever would be able to.
Imagine getting triggered because two strangers want to get married, how sad must your life be
Maaaaaaadnesss init... Like why do people care about sex and race the two things that you have no control over. Im really tired of this bs man..
@De Factio I dont think were speaking about the same thing..
@De Factio My words were why do people care about sex and in who you have sex with and what your sex is and why do people care about race as in what race you are what colour your child will come out. Your talking about religions and pedos... I dont believe in religions i dont care for there rules. I dont care for the rules of this dream we are all living in.. In there dream world its cool to be a pedo and a racist and eat babies i didnt come to this earth to judge something i have no control over or want to. I just had a thought that its weird that people still think about these no controllable factors that dont matter and shouldnt matter. Why are you asking me religious questions that we both dont give a shit about lol im confused.. Dont deep my comments i dont give a shit about nothing Im just doing my time on earth and making notes on the internet as i go along.. Non of this matters.. ITS NOT THAT DEEP
being against the lgbt movement is common sense
You clowns were triggered for decades before we allowed homosexual marriage, now you lefty types are triggered about us not allowing underage marriages.
“marriage isnt about love”
what
It was originally about wealth and property. Now, it's about love.
marriage isn't primarily about love
Ambro I feel sorry for you
Technicallyimright Thank you. It is good to wish the best for people, even if you are wrong about what is best. I feel sorry for you too, and hope things become better.
Ikr 😂😂😂 I honestly died. No one understands that we are in 2018 now. They don’t understand that the world moves. I hate change myself but that doesn’t mean I fight to stop it. That’s unhealthy
"Uncomfortable" is the poorest defense ever. 🙄
Im as progressive as anyone, and Im an atheist. I support gay marriage and equality. But i have to overcome the uncomfortable vibe I have about male gay couples. Never thought about it much, but its not my fault that I get that vibe.
I’m uncomfortable with religion, and we ban that too? It’s such a stupid argument, nobody cares how you feel lady.
yeah ! like you're going to be in the bed with them while they have sex ..... THEN you have the right to feel uncomfortable!
Lmao right? Imagine completely shattering people's lives because it makes you uncomfortable. smh.
Some Christians make me *really* uncomfortable, but you ain’t seeing me here dissing Jesus.
My wife was 45 and I was 55 when we got married, we had no intention of having children, have we upset God???
Wordavee1 no you haven't
God isn't real so don't worry about it
James TH
The question was rhetorical, I'm an atheist.
Wordavee1 so am I
I just respect other's beliefs if they don't harm others
Wordavee1 no point. In coffin. Dodgers. Getting married End of.
"Marriage is about children"
Tell that to the many married couples who can't conceive
Where in any marraige ceremony has anyone heard mention of children or procreation?
Marriage isn’t about children. Children can just be a result of that
in her mind marriage is used as way to ensure the parents dont leave
@@pennypillow4445 my divorced mother and father: 👁👄👁
Im sure they would like to conceive if they could
"Marriage is about having children." Well, tell that to infertile couples who can't have kids, madam.
DNA Cat
Exactly - and neither should be treated as though they don’t have the same marriage rights
DNA Cat maybe she wants people to pass fertility tests before marriage.
Meaningless existence lmfao
@1113 Cntrl
The only problem is we don't live in the Neolithic anymore. There is absolutely no reason to limit marriage to heterosexual couples when people don't get married for the same reasons that they did at the beginning of the concept of marriage.
@1113 Cntrl Your argument is irrelevant to Dran's argument. He's obviously talking about countries that are already progressive, in this case England. I agree there is a country that gives death penalty to homosexual people, but in a country like England, most people marry by love not procreation only
“Equality has already been reached”
Well lady, that fact that you’re having a discussion about whether or not same sex marriage should be legal proves that equality hasn’t been reached
"(Equality has already been reached)". Tell that lie to The Blacks, Hispanics and Asians.
Carrie, is there equality for Muslims in the UK who don't agree with homosexuality? Do they deserve to live in a society where they can practice their beliefs?
@@magicworld3242 the Asians? Who earn more, and live longer than any other race in the UK!
@Eat the pork Condoning unseemly behavior has nothing to do with diversity
Cassie Osbourne such a contradictive question
It really frustrates me when people use their faith as an excuse to interfere with people's lives.
Maria Makes Music the reason why people of faith are so against because they know down the line Christian church’s will be forced to carry out this sinful act.
@@manweller1 the legalization of homosexuality has nothing to do with forcing it into churches, or on anyone for that matter. The people that ARE enforcing their lifestyles on everyone else are those who try to deny someone the right to get married just because of their personal discomfort.
@@mariamihailik5310 The problem is that it almost has been forced into churches. The church should have every right to not allow gays to marry.
@The Beast but how is homosexual marriage affecting YOU? No one asked you to be homosexual.
Maria Makes Music if that be the case why did a homosexual couple deliberately go to a Christian motel knowing they would asked to leave? The powers that be will forcing places of worship to carry out this sinful act. The real men&women of God will not bow down this or compromise the law of God.
Gay people never accidentally have children. But we are happy to adopt your “oops”.
Yaaasssssss Queen
Yes they do, all of the time.
Are you stupid & bigoted?
Serpechia, gay people don't accidentally have children because gay couples can't naturally have children.
The idea that a straight mother who accidentally had a child they dont want is more fitting to raise that child then a loving and willing gay couple is hilarious. WASPS just dont want the youth to be "brainwashed" by the gays
There are no "accidental" children in gay marriage, all children born into a gay family are thoroughly planned for and most are well loved compared to some heterosexual couples who abuse their kids and take them for granted.
Brilliant comment
Very very true
cos all gay couples do such a wonderful job.... I must have imagined the UK news report of two gay men adopting a baby and one killing the poor child because he could not cope … the other helped him cover it up.... such darlings.
Abcity google Matthew scully-hicks”
@@1234poppycat Wow, one example of bad gay parents. Well that's conclusive!
I'm all for gay marriage. Not because of my undying empathy and compassion for my fellow man, but because I simply dont give a shit.
I wanna marry my girlfriends mother baby yeah cos she a sexy chick she a crazy chick hell yeah my niggas give
stayjit1 I thought i was the only one
Very well said. I agree 100% lol.
you sound like a guy i could get along with
Amazing comment!!! :)
a question for the woman at 7:45 :
if marriage is about children, then should we ban infertile heterosexual couples from getting married... its the same principle is it not?
Nium Johal And if we are also strictly following the biblical doctrine, shouldn't any woman who wasn't a virgin before marriage be put to death? The bible is rather clear about that; as well as demanding that women be totally subservient to their husbands, not speak unless spoken to and generally never leave the house without their spouse. So techincally this lady, for all her preachy attitude is actually breaking her precious biblical laws herself.
Thea The Genius just another typical religious hypocrite judging people when only god is meant to judge people. Reading the bible turned me into an atheist.
Nium Johal she is fucked in the head.
I don't think so. You do raise a very interesting question. I think marriage between a heterosexual, infertile couple is like a symbol of child bearing marriage - something good and pure. It encourages settled domesticity, seriousness and responsibility and allows those who could not have children to foster those things. People who marry in later age often mark an understanding of their union's lesser significance by being less extravagant with their party and invitations. It is a symbol in a pure sense and the rings and traditions are perfect tokens. I think those marriages are still good and useful.
Ambro Wait, you're actually defending that argument?? Infertile heterosexual couples can marry because they're "good and pure", but gay couples aren't??? You're acknowledging that marriage has symbolic value, but only for straight people??? At least you've been driven to the point where you're outright admitting your bigotry.
Who's changing the definition of marriage? Two people loving each other, sticking rings on each others fingers? Same thing no matter who's what right?
Exactly, the people shouting "it's about man and woman" are doing so retroactively.
Nothing about marriage says that men can't marry, or the women can't marry, otherwise you wouldn't have straight marriages. If women can marry men, then men can marry men too, that's equality.
@@Capybarrrraaaa The reason people are upset is not because they hate homosexuals. It's more to do with the religious fact. Marriage is legal act to show god your commit to loving a person. It makes no sense to have gay marriage since the bible states that all sex apart from intercourse is sinful. But then again why would I care, I'm not religious.
@@jackwilliams6604 " It's more to do with the religious fact"
No homosexual or homosexual supporter is trying to force any religion, group or individual to change their definition of marriage. They are making appeals to their governments to ammend co-habitation doccumentation to also benefit gay people.
"It makes no sense to have gay marriage since the bible"
From the Christian and other perspectives, I agree, but other cultures developed concepts of marriage seperate to and before Christianity. It might make sense in their definitions, like the secular definition, for example.
Every example of opposition to gay-marriages being aknowleged by governments that I've seen has always been because of religious people trying to blur the lines between co-habitation documentation and a ceremonial, religious marriage based solely on the idea that they don't want 'the gays' getting in on their version of marriage.
They can say "but my religion", but having your wish of segregation notified doesn't make it not bigotry. Until they can demonstrate that their objective god says 'no gays', then that's nothing more than their opinion.
@@Capybarrrraaaa Im not sure if the bible actually states that having an attraction to the same sex is a sin. But still I find it somewhat ridiculous that people want same sex marriage. But then again that's just my opinion. I don't believe in God nor any sort of religion, yet I do see sense in one (buddism).
@@jackwilliams6604 "states that having an attraction to the same sex is a sin"
From what I understand, it forbids non-reproductive sexual acts and men 'laying with men as one would with a woman'. Though, I believe that latter part is specifically about male familial incest.
"I find it somewhat ridiculous that people want same sex marriage"
I find it rediculous that someone would want marriage full-stop, though, I mean that in the ceremonial sense. There are legal benefits to having a co-habitation officially noted. I also don't see why that should be limited to couples, it makes equal sense to allow parents & (adult) children, housemates, etc. to share that too.
I also understand why people want 'gay marriage' rather than the current Civil Partnership. The existence of CP fundimentally just says "you're different and shouldn't be entitled to what the rest have". I can see how that would be insulting.
"yet I do see sense in one (buddism)."
Yeah. I can really see some sense behind buddhism. It doesn't really ask anything irrational of you, and has some pretty good teachings. It's probably one of the best examples of what religion can be.
"My religion doesn't allow me to do that" yes!
"My religion doesn't allow you to do that" no!!!
Kebzay Thank you!
Not much of a convincing argument is it?
John Moore / it is convincing, actually. It says that your personal religion shouldn't affect the lives of other people. A perfectly reasonable argument.
meaty, If religious people followed that ok, but they don’t, i don’t knock on people’s doors preaching atheism, yet I get many religious people knocking on my door preaching their religion to me.
John Moore You technically can preach about atheism, its just that, you choose not to.
I love what the one black women in the audience says:
"Love does not need religion for it is not religious. Loving someone is not wrong, allowing the church to rule over people's lives is wrong."
DAMN she said it
Things a re more complicated than that.
Speaking of which, I fell in love with my coworker while my wife sat at home raising my kids. Don't hate me, the heart wants what the heart wants.
Felipe Lima --- Nope, consent is still one (if not the most) important thing in love. Children (and animals for the people saying that compare same sex marriage to marrying a dog) CAN NOT give consent!! But an adult of any gender can. So why would you restrict them from marrying someone of the same gender?
Felipe Lima - I am Dutch indeed but that doesn’t mean I agree with a monarchy (and it is also a fallacy, attacking the person instead of solely the argument) - However, I would argue that bestiality SHOULD be illegal, even if Canada has apperantly legalized it. There is still no consent from the animal. Even if the animal were to like the situation somehow, they still do not understand the situation fully and therefore can not consent. The same thing goes for children. Bringing up transitioning and gender expression is besides the point as well but alas you brought it up. Personally I believe that gender expression should be free for every child (and every adult by the way). If a boy wants to wear a dress, let him. If someone born with a female body wants to be called “Dan” instead of the original “Danielle” and referred to as “he/him” then accept that. Even if this did not have to do with gender, this is just respecting individuality and personality. However, I agree that surgery should not happen right when someone says “I am transgender” because it can be difficult to reverse surgery. Yet, in most cases surgery only happens after a lot of interviews and counseling and it is actually very hard to get it. At least WAY harder than for a man and a woman to get a baby, which is also a pretty big thing.
God is Love
John NoNameGibbon We can’t help being gay any more than you could help falling in love with your co worker, as you said, the heart wants what it wants
Imagine being so upset with yourself that you’d try and deny TWO OTHER PEOPLE getting married, something that doesn’t even effect you at all. Pathetic.
Um it messes up the entire education system, confuses children + next generation, restricts freedom of speech, disrespect towards other cultures and religions just to name a few.
Karamatsu girl people like me or people who are religious are now not able to voice our opinions openly without getting tons of hate and judgment because we are apparently ‘homophobic’. Now 3% of the population is trying to dictate what other people should say and accept.
Karamatsu girl in some places, you are not allowed to misgender someone. That’s dictating what people should or must say. That’s restriction of freedom of speech
Hannah Guo oh please, what bad is gonna happen to you if you misgender someone in "some places"? Someone politely correcting you to adress him or her in the gender he or she prefers? Oh that's terrible! D: You know what happen's to gay people in "some places"? They get beat up or killed over nothing. And your attitude isn't helping.
blEkk in Canada you can get arrested for misgendering someone. They don’t deserve to be beaten because that’s jut wrong, but in civilized, western countries, we are prioritizing them instead of focusing on real issues
Slavery was once a “treasured institution”.
Very true, these bigots seem to forget Exodus 21 and such verses.
The procreation or "child-centric" argument is pure nonsense. No one objects when an elderly couple get married, where the woman is past childbearing age and no children are possible. No one argues for the dissolution of marriages when either the man or the woman proves to be infertile and no children are possible. Very few would condemn a married couple who choose not to have children for their own reasons.
Plainly, marriage is not about procreation or children primarily, or none of these marriages would be valid.
10:12 -- "No, no, let her speak!" He's saying that knowing full well she's going to dig her own hole, of course...
***** You don't know that about the elderly couple, and no one asks first if they have grandchildren before approving of their marriage.
And the childless married couple is NOT providing a good example, since by this argument they're not fulfilling the supposed primary purpose of marriage.
Your personal inclinations are neither here nor there, and it's arrogant of you to use them as a standard for what other people should be forced to do.
***** Your slippery slope argument is even more nonsense than the child-centric one. It requires a peculiar kind of moronic view of the world to even consider, and you ought to be embarrassed that you said it out loud in front of other people.
***** No, the purpose of a gun is to kill. Yet, some people choose to use them only for target shooting.
But it's a stupid analogy anyway. What's missing is anything corresponding to the significant legal rights enjoyed by married couples. If not for them, there would be nothing to argue about.
***** You have GOT to be British, to be so deeply, blindly ignorant about guns.
Hunting is killing, but guns were primarily invented for warfare, to kill people. No one thought, "Oh, wouldn't it be nice to have something that goes 'bangy' when it's set off?" No, they were looking for a better way to kill people, and they found one.
It didn't take too long before they were also used to kill animals, but that's not why they were invented. They weren't invented for target shooting either. The primary purpose of that is to become better at killing people or animals without actually having to shoot at them.
However, the fact that guns were invented to kill people doesn't make their use for other purposes (killing animals, target shooting without killing anything at all) somehow invalid.
So your analogy doesn't work. Not that you can prove anything by analogy anyway; it's useful for illustration, not proof. In any event, this one is only valid if I buy the idea that marriage has always been primarily about children. I don't. There are no ancient sources that say so. Not even the Bible does.
***** Now I know you're lying. No one who really uses a gun for self-protection talks about shooting someone in the leg. You shoot expecting to kill. Period.
Saying the same thing over and over again doesn't make it true. Show me someone saying marriage is child-centered from some traditional ancient source on marriage like the Bible.
He says it is a 'treasured' institution -that must be the reason why the divorce rate is so high.
😂😂😂exactly
It's so high because the government allowed no fault divorce in the first place.
+Maria Madriquez It's so high because people are adulterers.
macky mac Great observation there. More sinners for those without to condemn.
macky mac adultery is one of God 10 commandments. these are the ones he don't want you to break..the ones that upset him the most.. if gay relationship was such a sin. it be up there in 10 commandments..
Look if ur religious that's fine but churches shouldn't be allowed to force laws upon countries.
don't mind me
Just look at the Middle East 🙄
@@yourmajesty8913 leftys will happy to against Christians but mention islam and their intolerance of homosexuality women etc and you'll be called racist
don't mind me should the countries be allowed to force laws on Churches? That's what looks like. People have free will. If they want to be sinners, they can, but they shouldn't call it marriage
@tjungblast 00 again, those laws in those countries are made by churches.
@@NJDN1999 well in this subject, yes. If the law in a country is "gay marriage is allowed", people aren't FORCED to be in a gay marriage. If churches make laws for countries that say "gay marriage is illegal" EVERYONE in the country who is gay is not allowed to marry. And we're not sinners lmao
It shouldn’t need to be gay marriage, can we not just call it marriage? And then it includes everyone? That’s all we want to do, marry people. Let us do that
maybe now in 2021, not 7 years ago when this aired
you're so right. i dont understand people who think they should be treated equally for who they are but don't think other people who are different to them shouldn't be
Reminds me of how people used to say "they got gay-married" like it's a special type of ritual completely separate from "marriage"
there were also many millions who were uncomfortable with freeing the slaves......
Their still are....and the slaves, now, wilfully belong to Jesus Christ
Ophelia Sebastian and, funnily enough, the people who were uncomfortable with freeing slaves are also the people uncomfortable with same sex marriage
Source: Alabama
@@elliot7753 wrong again...your statements refute each other...
L S well it is true
@@elliot7753 a. neither issue has anything to with comfort
b. I am not for chattel slavery
c. I am not for fake marriage
d. it's not true
“Marriage is about having children.”
Lady I know plenty of straight couples that don’t have children.
Sophie Amanda Leiton Toomey me too. My heart breaks for them. Especially the ones who have been trying unsuccessfully for years.
Sophie Amanda Leiton Toomey between a man and woman there is a possibility of Shared biological offspring. In case of gay marriage this does not exist.
Vita Thaïs what about infertile couples? You saying they shouldn’t be allowed to get married?
@@kashootourselves6709 there are some infertile couples but in gay couples infertility is 100 % : they cannot have babies with each other. gay couples can have some kind of union but it doesn't have to be marriage
Right, and some people just don't want children.
I always wonder how 2 people getting married would ever have anything to do with these people...are they gonna live in the same house with them afterwards?
It doesn't have anything to do with them. They just think it does.
Personally I don't think it matters who you love, if you love them you should be able to marry them.
Debbie Lough agreed!
well, i wouldn't marry my cat. just kidding
DEKIKK best comment I've read on TH-cam. As simple as it is.
Kristian Kristian you're comparing two adults in a loving, consenting relationship to murder.
"im an old woman that only can repeat what she was told"
She struggles with even that, has to read off paper. Senile bint
Every Child has a right to a biological father and a biological Mother? Tell the 60 Million orphans..
I have a biological mother and a biological father.
My mother is the foulest she-devil to ever walk the planet. I would rather have two loving fathers than have a mother like that.
Or people like me with a Single father and an absent mother.
Jixie Dye exactly the same for me.
If only you could set out clearly-or define, a 'right'. As it happens-and you are in multiple company you cannot. The first rule of life that most seem to learn the hard way is:NEVER ASSUME ANYTHING-and it is often the penultimate bit of learning, and when it is too late. Bare assertion is not reasoned argument, because I bloody say so.Now you can laugh.What you mean, and I'm wholly with you, is that you would LIKE it if a small, helpless and newly arrived being had with it its causes-for it is a little of both, but the custom is to call causes parents, and in FACT each result or child is the result of two-polar opposite, causes, although there may well be a less readily apparent cause.That there is nothing objectionable about homosexual *practices* is a RELIGIOUS *belief*-a religion being any set of related beliefs assumptions presumptions and norms- the Mr god fantasy being entirely optional when one enters upon believing and assuming and norms-that maleficent invention called morals or ' I-am-right'.
What is a right without a remedy, is a question that is posed to all students of the law of equity-which is entirely normative so long as men with guns can agree with your norms;law without power being merely a cypher.
@@JixieDyeAuthor gross
"Marriage is between a man and a women", "Not anymore". Best quote of the clip.
?? What did this person say to make you so offended? All they stated was a quote from the clip..... @ChadK
+Chad K the marriage debate is a debate on whether some humans should have a basic human right. "love wins" means marriage should be about love, not a heterosexual privilege because some dumb fucking homophobes are uncomfortable with everyone having the same rights, simply because... well, they haven't had the same rights for centuries so it's "tradition"
+Chad K
I see you didn't answer. Seems like you are the one who demonstrated that they don't have a clue what they are talking about.
Chad K
Please research or at least think on your own about it before you spew nonesense around. You sound like someone who only repeats what other's told him.
About which benefits are you talking about? Because as I see it, the benefits of marriage are made to make it more easier for two people to live their life together. (www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benefits-30190.html) There is literally no reason why that shouldn't be allowed for homosexuals. 'Family benefits' are only a very small part of these benefits - and even they aren't really about children. Marriage is not about 'getting a whole lot of tax money' so it doesn't effect you at all.
Marriage, btw, existed long before christianity. It wasn't always about 'two people'. Even in the bible, Abraham had more than one wife. And sorry, if parents need 'benefits of marriage' to stay together and raise children, they're probably already worse parents than many homosexual peers. Also, why would you think then why homosexuals would want to marry, too? If marriage is only there to make 2 people stay together - thus limiting their freedom.
The answer is: They already plan to stay together, they just want it to be easier to do (and to be accepted by their own government they also pay taxes to.) Because love isn't always about 'being a man and a woman' :)
Anyway, it doesn't influence you in any way that homosexuals are now allowed to marry. Even if marriage WOULD only be about potential children (which it is not) that would be exactly what should be changed, too. There is no reason to reduce marriage to 'a construction only there for children'. It doesn't harm anyone if people want to marry just to stay together. And this (2 people marrying because they want to live togerther) was never an issue before the possibility of gay marriage.
Marriage is what we make it be. THIS is logic. It's our choice to decide what marriage is about. Because making it harder for 2 people to live together just because they're different is discrimination.
'Anyone talking about love or human rights has no fucking clue about this topic. It's 1 man 1 woman.' Your pretentiousness is ridiculous. Do you went to university studying 'marriage' for five years or something that you think you know more about it than anyone else? If yes, please tell me now what 'love' is objectively about, too; and then we change the law and forbid other people to feel about this topic like they do, yes?
And yes, it is a basic human right to marry who you want to regardless of if you plan to have children. Because that was always something heterosexuals had a privilege to.
It's not like there even will be so many gay marriages it changes anything, mate. The percentage will probably be smaller than heterosexuals who marry just because they want it to make official and easier to stay together.
If I stole your wallet while in your neighbour house someone is murdered, would you also say it's 'offensive to real crimes against human rights' to claim justice about the things I stole? After all, your neighbour got murdered and had it so much worse than you. So you shouldn't have the right to claim justice. Logic????
'radical left gay agenda' You talk about this like gay people don't exist and are some sort of cult or something. If you're gay you're gay. You don't belong to the 'radical left gay agenda'. You just want to have the same rights and acceptance everyone who's heterosexual receives.
'complex/deep topic'
Please, then. Begin telling me all about it already. Because I didn't see you doing that. Your only argument was 'marriage is for children' and that seems very simple to me.
And lmao, again, if marriage wasn't about love that SHOULD be changed. So yes, 'love wins'.
'there is certainly evidence showing problems in many many cases.'
Yeah, please, sources? Because just asserting this statement is easy. You shouldn't build an opinion on something flimsy like this, though.
Also, I'm sure alcoholics are prone to be worse parents. Let's force them to out themselves and forbid them to marry! Because there are apparentely even more alcoholics then there are homosexuals www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-use-disorders.
Also, please explain to me why homosexuals should be worse parents just because they don't consist of the 2 genders. Because as I see it, not every person of the same gender is the same; there doesn't exist a 'normal mother' or a 'normal father'. We're all just human beings trying to do our best - and if someone is intelligent enough/ tries hard enough, they're already better than so many parents right now. Of course, allowing people to discriminate the parents of a children will be a (probably the only, concerning generalization based on homosexuality) thing that can harm them.
'something very selfish'
Woah, buddy, calm down. Because if you make conclusions you have to make sure you've got your basics right. Of course the 'gay agenda', as you like to call it, cares about the well being of a child?? Do you think they're aliens you can't possibly know or something? The only thing that differs them from you is who they want to hop in bed with.
So yes, they care. And 1) I still don't see why 'being attracted to the opposite sex' should be that big of a factor in your parental skills, 2) so you think foster kids (who are given up by heterosexuals in most cases) who don't have a real home etc. are already better on their own than with homosexual parents?, 3) 'christianity agenda' or how we want to call it is heavily biased AGAINST gay people having the same rights. They are the one's who try hard to prove their point because it's written in their stupid book, along rules like 'you are not allowed to cut your hair' and 'you shouldn't mix fabrics of your clothes'. I think it's 'sickening' that they try to prevent children getting two completely devoted and good dads or moms.
Let's be real, they care more about their prejudices and religion than they care about children.
+Chad K
Yeah, lol
Probably should have expected that. Just confirms what I wrote.¯\(ツ)/¯
All children in a same sex relationship are wanted and planned...
Terry Austin massive amounts of sarcasm detected
that's not always the case , terry.
@@Ziaotic it's sarcasm
The only person I know that was planned have two sisters that definitely were not
Same with the pedophiles...children are really wanted and planned.You are all sick!
So she would rather have children to be stuck in an orphanage till they’re 18 and be thrown on the street as soon as they come of age, than have a gay couple adopt them and give them a loving and warm environment to grow up in and actually have a chance at a decent future...
Also the ´biological mother and father’ she’s talking about obviously aren’t around. So why not let a loving gay couple give this child a home?
If you don't agree with gay marriage then don't go to one.
@crazychap - They don't what the hell made you think they DID ??????
If you don't agree with murder then don't commit one.
Ambro
What harm does gay marriage do that could be comparable to murder?
crazychap
If you don't agree with traditional marriage don't go to a Christian baker.
Also “if you don’t agree with gay marriages then don’t get married to the same gender”
Do they forget that their religion doesn't own the concept of marriage?
President Garrison's Pink Strapon Well, yes.
President Garrison's Pink Strapon actually originally it does Adam and eve were married God joined them Jesus went to a wedding and so many more in the scriptures but you know neither the scriptures that clearly condemn dame sex marriage regardless of the things said by those on the show who are in same sec relationships
live let liv I'm *aware* of the scriptures that condemn same-sex relationships just as I'm *aware* that there are books that say Mohammed flew to heaven on a winged horse. You reject the latter, I assume, whereas I reject both since only children are interested in fairy tales, sonny.
@President Garrison the gay boy - Well show us a religion that thinks gays are a good thing. Accepting them with revulsion, and in most cases these days WITH COWARDICE - but Islam.......funny how you gays shit yourself when dealing with THEM, isn't it hypocrite ?
+Phil K pagan religion, wiccan religion are not against gays and so sorry but marriage has existed long before the fake bible and the fake god did, ancient greeks were bisexuals, they also got married and guess what the religion was pagan, no bible even existed then,
Hey blonde lady..child centric????.....my parents beat me as a child...I would prefer sweet gay parents than cruel straight parents..
but ton
Very fun do you feel better about yourself cuz you made a joke about abuse?
@Huy Thai punctuation would've helped.
@but ton
How can you stutter while writing a damn comment on TH-cam?
butt on , it’s not who is joking, it’s who is laughing ! How can you find abuse amusing!?
Sober Towelie study the grammar.
"660,000 signatures", "huge swave of the population"... No, that's 1% of the population...
Pretty sure its not even that lmao
@@CatchTheMarmosets Slightly under. 660,000 is 1% of the UK population, rounded up. 0.97% to be precise.
if your argument is "well it's always been that way" you've already lost
Yeti my argument is that's what God intended and it shouldn't change because God doesn't change his standards. God always wins.
@@NJDN1999 Gods are merely invisible friends for adults that can't face reality as it actually is. Literally fairy tales for gullible adults and brainwashed children. Secondly, for you to believe in an unproven, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent being... and claim to know it's mind and speak on it's behalf, is arrogance and self-centredness of the utmost order. Strange how the religious appear to end up with religions and holy books that fit their pre-existing thoughts and biases. Like every other Christian you cherry-pick those parts of the bible that fit with what you think and completely ignore, or dismiss, all the other parts. As for marriage in the bible, there are several different versions. Though how you can claim a book that condones slavery, murder, war, misogyny, homophobia, racism, child abuse, rape, beatings, racism and genocide, as 'moral' is beyond me. Why not try using the brain that you believe a God gave you?
Nnamno Joshua Nnadi - If you don’t like the idea because of your god, then don’t take part in it. We don’t believe in your god, so why should we follow their standards?
@@NJDN1999 Ya know, Im sure those words were once said to justify slavery, rape, domestic abuse and oh look at that homophobia.
Murica
I hate how people pull the children card out while opposing gay marriage. Meanwhile there’s so many abandoned children (because some people didn’t think through when they had sex) that many gay couples would love to adopt
By their definition, if someone finds out their infertile they should not be eligible for marriage or their marriage should be annulled.
why shouldnt gay couples have children like i never understand why people use that as an argument
@@kimsmallz9860 because it's far from optimal
a child learns from both mother and father...
at first though , a boy gets closer to his mom ..then develops further, a girl gets closer to her dad ..then develops further
that is the normal course of actions
have 2 fathers or 2 mothers and you'll start missing things here and there
it's more confusing than being raised by a single parent for the young child
it's worse than being a single parent ... and that's bad too looking at statistics regarding criminal actions and so forth
that's why people use that as an argument
@@doktork3406 What statics are you talking about?
All studies show that same-sex couples are at least as good at parenting as heterosexual couples.
Doktor Kranium
That’s actually quite incorrect!
In ‘traditional’ families, where biological parents are present, both boys and girls get first closer to their mother, always.
marriage is not about children, when you get married the vows you take are about your partner and nothing to do with marriage
With children
+Iamatreee Children born out of wedlock a bastard children(more of an insult to the promiscuous father who is out of the picture). Marriage should have happened before children become an issue. Marriage is between the partners, not the children.
+Iamatreee That is absurd. Marriage is the union between two people. The marriage/divorce laws were instituted to ensure children were accommodated. The marriage itself, is only between the couple being married.
+Iamatreee yes, and marriage itself was between a couple. Marriage was not for children. In fact, history has marriage being used for social and political gain through the union of families, where the people being married did not even love each other. The concept of marriage as a union of 2 people. The fact that a marriage happens to be the best environment for raising children, was not the reason marriage was instituted.
homophobes be like "every child deserves biological mother and father" but then those biological parents literally abandon their children after they came out as gay or lesbian ..while same sex parents do not abandon their children cause they are straight.. they are more committed to raising children and more tolerant ..why is everyone ignoring that ? which proves that those parents are not loving their children unconditionally and they do not understand their true feelings
"I don't like gay marriage."
"Then don't have a gay wedding."
Marriage is not about children.
What if they can’t afford children
What if they don’t WANT children
Like wtf
No point getting married then.
The Anti-hero Yet people who don’t/can’t have kids have children, and nobody tries/tried stopping them from getting married.
@@zach4832 "people who don't/can't have kids have children"
.... O que?
The Anti-hero Marriage doesn’t revolve around having kids. People can get married w/out ever having kids
@@zach4832 Well obviously they can, but I don't know what the point is, besides having an excuse to throw a party.
If the bulk of people felt uncomfortable with the tshirt you were wearing, would that give them the right to tell you what to wear?
Next time somebody makes that argument, I'll retaliate with your comment. Thank you.
Isolated Desire Haha thanks! It makes no sense lol
There actually was a scandal with a scientist who landed a probe on a meteor or something. Whole thing was overshadowed by him wearing a shirt with scantily-clad women all over it. Feminists lost their shit, shaming him endlessly to the point of tears. The kicker? He didn't even pick it out himself - his WIFE got it for him as a loving gesture. Also, I've seen rather good, comedic shirts with Hitler on it too. So, you know what? I think Matt has a valid point here.
***** If someone genuinely wore a hitler shirt as support to those acts then i would think there was something seriously wrong with them... and i wouldn't think it would be nice or compassionate... but its a TSHIRT, it does no harm really that someone can't forget within 10 seconds and yeah it might be slightly offensive but i will fight for the right to verbally offend all day long - that concept is deeply married to freedom of speech
why don't you ask that to Matt Taylor
I love how intelligent and well spoken the hosts were. There was no shouting or yelling over each other. Even if their opinion was not accepted by another, they did not act out in aggression. I wish more people could discuss problems in a mannered, and mature way that these people have shown.
Antonio C. I think only Americans can really be so grateful for mature talk shows. We have horrible news and talk shows
ABSOLUTELY....ALSO PEOPLE NEED TO TAKE MUCH MORE TIME TO THINK AND DO THEIR RESEARCH. AND PEOPLE WHO HAVE NEED REFUSE TO TOLERATE THE INTOLERANT LEFT. REMEMBER - 1/ HOMOPHOBIA IS AN IRRATIONAL FREAR OR HATRED OF GAYS - IT IS A DELIBERATE BULLYING TACTIC TO MISSUSE THE WORD TO TRY O BULLY PEOPLE INTO THE IDEA THAT BEING A PERVERT IS NORMAL. 2/ SO CALLED GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT MARRIAGE- THE DEFINITION WAS SET BU GOD AND THE LEFT NEED TO REALISE THAT THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO CHANGE DEFINITIONS TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA. 3/ THE IDEA THAT IT IS INTOLERANT TO LET GAYS DO WHAT THEY WANT SHOWS A LACK OF EDCUATION - TOLERANCE IS PUTTING UP WITH WHAT YOU DONT LIKE - IT IS THOSE OF US WHO FIND HOMOSEXUAULITY REVOLTING THAT ARE THE TOERANT ONES. 4/ A RIGHT IS SOMETHING YOU ARE OWED - AND WANTING SOMETHING DOES NOT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO IT..
Shaun Clark that's fine if you think that, but O.P. was making an argument for calm and rational debate, and your all- caps argument proved their point. I feel that your argument might have been better placed in a different thread.
i'm straight myself but i think Jim Carey said it best, "as long as your hearts in the right place i don't care what you put in your mouth".
if its about children , who better than Gay couples to adopt all those children left from Straight marriages????
Are you mad
Straight .... the correct spelling.
Not sure if I want shit on my knob.
A straight childless couple, why bring a child into a fucking degenerate situation?
you mean the lesbians white couple who killed Devonte and his siblings
Bignose Hembrow
You’d be alright. You’re a bottom.
Don’t like same-sex marriage?
Don’t marry someone of the same-sex.
That is a really stale, stupid, and illogical comment. You might as well say, "Don't like incestuous marriage? Don't marry a member of your own family." Same sex marriage is a sign of a morally corrupt, decadent, degenerate and decaying society.
@@alancadwallender That is a fucking stupid analogy. There are laws against incestuous marriages, as children born of incest are at a higher risk of genetic conditions. However, there are no negative consequences of one dude marrying another dude. So explain to me how allowing gay people to get married is a sign of "morally corrupt, decadent, degenerate and decaying society".
@@oliverpotts8664 It is impossible to convince a pig that it is living in a sty.
@twelvepeoplesz Sorry but that has to be one of the most idiotic and totally illogical statements that I have heard for a long time, but then I have yet to hear an objective and logical comment from the LGBT brigade.
@@alancadwallender Listen, Mr Codswallop, the only thing morally corrupt, decadent, degenerate and decaying about all this is your view.
"marriage isn't about love" - crazy christian 2014
aidencurl IKR 😂
Hahaha
Hahaha so happy I’m a Bi Athiest
Marriage is about families
Shirley Phelps, 2.0
How can she sit there and say "we already have equality" then go on to say why they shouldn't have something straight people do?
Because she is a bigot
To have someone state that they’re ‘uncomfortable’ really perplexes me. How do you think lgbt people have felt all their lives? You think they live comfortably? LGBT people face prejudice left, right and centre. That’s something to be uncomfortable with! You feeling uncomfortable is definitely no comparison to what all these people endure...
@tubehows4life You just have to look at the injustices and harassment gay people have to deal with, along with the high levels of depression in the gay community that occurs as a direct result of the sigma and rejection experienced everyday, to see that no one is gay because they think it's trendy or cool.
Homosexuality has always existed. There were periods were homosexuals were much less visible due to the higher levels of intolerance at those times. You do know it was actually considered a crime before?
tubehows4life i think it’s nice that people feel comfortable saying they’re gay, although, if you read some of this comment section, i certainly wouldn’t be if i were gay... and i think it’s more that people have always been gay, it’s just more widely accepted now. the LGBT community has always been massive, just underground, and now it’s at a forefront in the media, etc. people may disagree with someone’s sexuality, but it doesn’t mean it’s going to go away anytime soon.
(also, as a side note, gay people do still suffer horrifically just for being who they are, being killed, shot, beat up, harassed, even if it’s not the biggest taboo anymore. i mean, just read some of these comments. the women in these videos aren’t the victims - if they’re happy being openly homophobic on live television, happily so, i think they’re bold enough to deal with the backfire of it.)
@tubehows4life
"Any trolls are being shot down and overwhelmed"
Thank God they are shot down. It would be a huge concern if they were not. But the fact that they are here in the comment section say the most violent and gross things in proof homophobia is still a thing.
The fact that the majority of people accept homosexuality does not change the fact that homophobia still exists. And homosexuals are regularly physically assaulted just for being gay.
You can't state homophobia is gone and "that's a fact", when all facts show the opposite. I provided you with many link to various sources that all show homophobia is sadly still very alive in the UK.
And comparing you're experience as a cyclist to the horrific experiences that gay people have to deal with is just stupid.
If the Gay Pride is not your thing then fine. A lot of people (not only homosexuals) enjoy the parade and go along to party. So it has become bigger over the years. It doesn't change the initial message of the gay pride that is the gay community should not have to hide and should be proud of how they are.
@tubehows4life
You said "demonstrating exactly the point that harassment of gays is all but gone." in your last post...
I gave 5 separate links that all show homophobia is still a huge problem. And physical assaults are still happening at a daily basis. You just choose to ignore them as it doesn't fit your narrative.
And stop it with the bicycle thing. That's your typical go to when losing an argument: "I'm the real victim here. Poor little me!"
As for the gay pride, you are aware that not all homosexuals go to it? It's not everyone's scene. Stop trying to define the entire gay community with one event.
Any festival or large event has some pretty crazy stuff going on. It doesn't reflect peoples everyday lives.
Have you never been to any parties where people were letting down their hair and getting a bit wild?
Why do you keep saying it's a fad? Are you saying it's a choice???
Please don't tell me you're functioning under that out-date assumption that has been disproven thousands of times?
Here are the links about homophobia and violence we still have to deal with in the UK again if you missed that post (but my guess is you are just rejecting anything that doesn't suit your narrative):
www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report
--> Some extracts from the link:
"At least 2 in 5 respondents had experienced an incident because they were LGBT, such as verbal harassment or physical violence, in the 12 months preceding the survey. However, more than 9 in 10 of the most serious incidents went unreported, often because respondents thought ‘it happens all the time’"
"The existing evidence suggests that LGBT people are at greater risk than the general population of being victims of crime"
"70% said they had avoided being open about their sexual orientation for fear of a negative reaction"
And it actually seems homophobic incidents are becoming more frequent in recent years :
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/gay-lgbt-hate-crimes-stats-rise-four-year-physical-verbal-homophobic-abuse-community-a7933126.html
"More than one in five LGBT people have experienced a hate crime or incident due to their sexual orientation or gender identity in the last 12 months, compared with 16 per cent in 2013."
Here you can see the number homophobic incidents per 10000 LGBT people in each region that were actually reported in just one year :
www.amnesty.org.uk/homophobia-map-uk-england-wales
But in all sources here above, you will find that over 80% of homophobic hate crimes go unreported (see also here : "Four in five LGBT people (81 per cent) who experienced a hate crime or incident didn't report it to the police" www.stonewall.org.uk/lgbt-britain-hate-crime-and-discrimination )
So as horrific as that map is, it's only the tip of the iceberg.
You can also see many stats here that show how frequent homophobia and discrimination against gay people is. And that includes, everyday life, schools and the work place:
www.stonewall.org.uk/media/lgbt-facts-and-figures
@tubehows4life
So unsurprisingly, you have dismissed all links provided as being "leftist".
By the way this one is a government link : www.gov.uk/government/publications/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report/national-lgbt-survey-summary-report
Here are just a few extracts:
"The existing evidence suggests that LGBT people are at greater risk than the general population of being victims of crime"
"Despite this progress on legal entitlements, research and evidence has continued to suggest that LGBT people face discrimination, bullying and harassment in education, at work and on the streets, hate crime and higher inequalities in health satisfaction and outcomes."
"Over two thirds (68%) of all respondents with a minority sexual orientation said they had avoided holding hands in public with a same-sex partner for fear of a negative reaction from others."
After simply dismissing any evidence that doesn't fit your narrative, you start with the "what about" arguments.
"Gay people get harassed, but what about Jahova's Witnesses?"
"Gay people get harassed, but what about cyclists?" (still can't believe you seriously use this as an example...).
This kind of logic is toxic. As if one form of discrimination justifies or lessens another.
All discrimination is condemned whether it's to do with ethnicity, sexual orientation or religious belief.
And defending one group, doesn't mean you can't defend the other as well.
But you'll never convince me that we need something special put in place for cyclists... "Cycliphobia" is not a thing.
Homosexuality isn't a choice. I don't see what you're trying to prove by bringing paedophilia into the mix. That has nothing to do with homosexuality.
Comparing a consensual relationship between two adults and a predatory behaviour towards a child is totally absurd and offensive.
"Where has anyone defined homosexuality by just one event? Give direct referenced quotation."
==> You're the one who brought up the Gay Pride as if it had anything to do with the topic. You seem to think it is some kind of proof that homophobia is over and being gay is just a fashion choice.
Again, attending a Gay Pride is one thing. Living as a gay person is another.
As you said, there are non-gays at the Gay Pride. The Gay Pride is fashionable. But living as a gay person is totally different. We're talking about someone's life, not what clothes they are wearing...
And again, like in one of your previous comments, you compare being gay to nazis.
While simultaneously claiming homophobia is disappearing.
I mean this is homophobia: "it's a fad and people get caught up in fads all the time (see Nazi fads, drugs fads, depression fads, tattoos fads, etc)"
You just put being gay on the same level as nazis, drugs, depression and tattoos...
That's mess up.
I'm religious, but I think gay marriage is a great thing and personally find these homophobes embarrassing
I am a Christian too! And I think this is absolutely sickening that some religious people can think of gay marriage this way. Love is love and god loves everyone not just straight people! I think some people need to grow up and realise that’s an old way of looking at things and frankly a really horrible way of looking at things. Love everyone
@@Joseph-jn3vo like did everyone just forget "love thy neighbor" it's one of the most prevalent passages
The bible is clear both in the old and new testament that sodomy is a sin. But people saying they are "christians" and whatever and supports this clearly shows who their god is, and it's not the one in the bible.
@@Joseph-jn3vo Love is also telling that something is wrong. Like homosexual behaviour. And clearly you haven't read the bible regarding the matter. Who do you serve, God or peoples opinions which ebbs and flows everyday?
Invisible Drummer yeah that’s completely if that’s what you believe but i just don’t agree with that! As love is equal and people who are homosexual should not be treated any differently with their love life! Love is love! And god flipping loves everyone, the way your mindset right is just putting Christianity back in the dark ages and not moving through the world and adapting! There is a reason so many have fallen away from Christ as they experienced condemning like this and don’t feel comfortable enough to go to church’s and be open about their partners, and that is so sad to me, that shouldn’t be any different from a straight couple.
Am uncomfortable when people bite into their ice cream but i dont think making it illegal is going to make me feel less uncomfortable by it. Thats my argument lol
I'll file a lawsuit bitch ya supposed to lick dat
I get uncomfortable when people swallow gum rather than throw it out. I'm not planning to make it illegal simply because it makes me uncomfortable
JOHN JAMES HARPER not really its no difference that someone saying there uncomfortable with two people of the same sex being together
Moonlight Bae Come on there's a difference between ice cream and same sex marriages.
c obra not really there both another persons preference that is none your buisness... i see a similarity
"Marriage is between a man and a woman" - why tho? give me an ethical reason that isn't just you're religion says so
"Marriage is about having kids" - okay so you're proposing that infertile people and those who just don't want kids shouldn't be allowed to be married? that's a very unpopular stance
"Marriage is about religion" - apart from all the atheist couples that can get married at will, with vows available online to have a ceremony that is not religious. shall we ban that too?
every fucking argument against gay marriage holds no water with a quick minute of critical thinking
Marriage is pointless now, apart from personally with benefits like marriage allowance.
@@TheSm1thers from a pragmatic sense I'd agree, but I guess it does show love and commitment or whatever
I simply don't understand people who are against gay marriage.
Love is love, everyone is the same. It's human rights for everybody!
Sibby Rose I think you'll find its about population control and social engineering ..couples reproducing is what the state required for a working population..that is no longer a necessity
BU11ZxX go to hell we don't need you
yes and tomorrow if a man wants to marry his mother you will support that too!
Well, things a a bit more nuanced than love is love, but they should be allowed through law. Even though most gays don't really marry. It's a non-issue. Speaking of love being love, I fell in love with my coworker while my wife raised our kids at home. Don't hate me, love is love, the heart wants what the heart wants.
+Siobhan Rose Hey I love your name ❤
I agree with Diane Abbot marriage is a legal concept not a religious or moral concept
- by this I mean marriage is technically a contract and it shouldn’t matter who the parties are entering it as long as they are consenting adults
If you find yourself saying "I agree with Diane Abbot" you should be very careful. Marriage has become a legal construct, but it was not originally a legal construct.
+paul morgan Haha I haven't even said anything related to an argument about same sex marriage and already there are shouts of homophobia. Shame on you :)
+paul morgan The left strikes again! Don't criticize a black person or you're racist. Don't criticize same sex marriage or you're a homophobe. You really do have to do better than that.
Niamh Speirs bollocks. Marriage is by its very definition religious.
+paul morgan Where did you get this notion from?
"Marriage is not primarily about love.."
What
It's insane. I do not understand what these people have against this. I like both Men & women and if I wanted to date a guy I will
(Edit: I do know why these people are against it, it's religion, as always)
DamaOscuraDeTodos: Very well said.
If a marriage doesn't centre on the couple's love for each other then it won't be a marriage for long.
Her's probably aint. lol
No Christian law or institution it's about love.
Can’t believe this is 2014 it sounds like 1994
I dunno I mean 95% of people who spoke were in favour of gay marriage
imagine being so openly against happiness
Mark Jones w... what?
Mark Jones without being rude, i just had no idea what your comment was trying to say. it’s fairly vague.
@@markjones7251 doesn't seem misplaced to me. Seems very accurate.
What is your position? Why do you think this debate is about "collapsing the west"?
@@markjones7251
How are gay people being used "as a political battering ram"?
Why would this be affecting "white society"?
No one is taking away Christianity.
Anyone expressing homophobic or racist opinions are criticised regardless of their religion.
@@markjones7251 putting aside the conspiracy theory you are trying to spread, your logic would mean that people are being persuaded to be gay causing the decline in birth rates.
Everything you have said is preposterous. But I'll entertain it for a moment.
You are using the false assumption that being gay is a choice or that you can "make" some one gay. This is totally untrue. All studies show that sexual orientations cannot be changed. So there is no one "pushing" homosexuality on us, because that is not possible.
You also seem to think that being gay is something that only (or at least mainly) occurs in western populations. This is also untrue. A person brought up in a more open and free minded family will be more likely to be open about their sexuality.
This is why you might feel that there are less gay people among minorities with strong traditional values. But they still exist nonetheless, and in the same numbers as they would if there was a wider acceptance of homosexuality (because you don't choose to be gay).
Regarding the other points, that are off topic from the debate in the video:
"Westerners dont have kids" ==> this is simply untrue. Just take a walk out side in the park on a sunny day. There are kids everywhere.
"they believe in nihilism, consumerism and hedonism" ==> At least half of the UK population identifies as Christian (just take a look at the comment section, there are many here). But even without looking at peoples religious beliefs, there is a strong sense of morality in western civilisation. That is why all forms of discrimination are pointed out and our society does it's best to irradiate this kind of thinking.
"mass immigration" ==> you're usual red herring for all racist agendas
"end of the west" ==> in what way? No country or way of life is set in stone. Movement of populations, changes in traditions and ways of life have always existed though out history and all over the globe. To try and keep things the same way is ridiculous.
"democracy cant survive this" ==> can't survive what? Democracy is not showing any signs of disappearing....
Anyway, you will reject anything anyone says that does not back up your crazy conspiracy theory.
Have a nice life 😉
“Marriage isn’t completely about love”
Lady, just because your marriage is miserable as sin doesn’t give you the right to go stomping on other people’s happiness
I get a feeling that no one has juiced her lemon in a while
Ha ha. Well said!
@@TheWizardOfEgo Lol
TheWizardOfEgo Being against homosexual marriage means she hasn’t gotten sex? Very sexist of you. Most religious people have a lot of sex yet are against you
@@user-nq6um4bs5y ok boomer
When someone begins their argument with ''I'm a Christian'' their argument is immediately irrelevant. Marriage has separate definitions in terms of religions and the state, so it doesn't matter what the religious view is if someone is marrying by the state. Gay people can't get married in a religious ceremony? Fair enough, if that's what the Bible says. But no one is saying the church has to redefine their definition of marriage and allow them to marry in their kind of ceremonies. We're all equals in the eyes of the law, therefore gay people have as every right as straight people to get married if they wish to. I don't see why it's an issue. I don't see why two people wanting to get married has anything to do with anyone else. I thought in an equal society people have the right to be whoever they want to be as long as they are not breaking the law or hurting someone. Blows my mind.
Rant over. Sorry, this comment was supposed to be short.
Olivia Gordon Amen girl that's all they use and it annoys me I'm gay myself and proud I have a boyfriend he loves ME for ME and accept ME for who I am I love him for him and take all of him our anniversary is this year and we are getting a new house
Olivia Gordon
When you dismiss someone's argument based on their beliefs you make your own argument irrelevant. I agree with most of your views but you shouldn't dismiss others because of their religion.
The fact that u dismiss someones opinion as irrelevant because they're a christian demonstrates nothing more than ur own prejudice. Im a gay atheist but I at least try to understand other peoples points of view and don't demand that anyone thinks or feels as I do. Had u made the effort to understand those who oppose gay marriage you would realise that some are genuine homophobes, but most are just people who do not want something they are uncomfortable with forced upon them by the power of law - gay weddings in certain religious venues, the bakery situation in the US, the gay couple who took the christian b&b owners to court - this is why it is an issue and the business of others. If those who claim to represent gay people could magnanimously settle for equality under the law, rather than desperately seeking outrage and attacking anyone who holds differing opinions, we might find a lot less opposition
I agree church and state should be kept seperate. I am gay but choose to be on my own because of my religious upbringing. It is difficult and I would never expect others to do it. I was verbally attacked by a gay Christian because of my upbringing despite my fully accepting him and his partner
Tom I dont think she means because they’re Christian. I think she means that a-lot of religions have different opinions of marriage and what a ‘sin’ is. I mean, to many religions if u eat meat, its a sin, but its not a sin to you so why should you not eat it? So if its a sin for gay couples to marry to Christians, why should non Christians getting married care what they say? They shouldn’t. And even if you are a Christian, doesn’t God teach you to love everyone, no matter who they are?
I think people who say "I'm Christian" as justification for their own closed-mindedness just tarnishes the name of Christianity, to be honest.
Being Christian means you read the Bible and follow its teachings. And in the Bible, it clearly states marriage is between a man and a woman. You can be open minded as a Christian but that is what the Bible says. In fact many Christians are respectful of gay people even if they are against that view. I am pretty sure the Bible does not state anything about gay marriage and because of that, does it mean you can assume it is ok? Either for or against, it is not up to you or the public to decide because it is the will of God. If it is not written, is it not safe to follow tradition rather than change it into something God would be totally against? Seeing it from this stand point, I can understand what Christians are thinking... This is from me, someone who is not a Christian. Maybe if you are more open minded... you could see that...
@@iLAGnDC if god was against gay marriage, he would have done something to prevent it. The fact that we now have it means he clearly isn't bothered.
@@otismoran8512 Come on... even I am not Christian and I know they believe God made us to have free will and that God judges what you did with that free will when you die... To interfere means to interfere with that free will.
It is like saying God does not interfere in war so clearly he isn't bothered. Stupid argument.
Again... the Bible does not care for social means. I personally think it is stupid to try bend a religion that has been around for thousands of years to fit social wants. The Bible is the word of God... not the word of man... don't get it twisted...
@@iLAGnDC I'm just trying to say that the argument that Christians can't support gay marriage because the Bible doesn't mention it is stupid.
@@otismoran8512 The Bible is the word of God and to say it is fine is to put words in Gods mouth... If something is not stated, is it not best to either assume it is bad or just simply do not do it in case?
I'm so happy I'm non religious. Religion can make completely normal people do and say wicked things
The Accented Guy true
Wolf_Nate_1625 They’re all deluded.
Wolf_Nate_1625 Of course. I’m wrong. The religious are completely enlightened. With their Bronze Age myths and their young Earth creationist garbage. All this without a shred of proof despite the Church having millennia to come up with something, anything, substantial.
Cue the “how can something come from nothing?” bullshit. And the atheists eat babies nonsense. We’re all evil, just angry at god etc, etc, etc... boring af. Yawn...
@@deltanovember1672 oh poor soul you surely have not been touched by the noodly appendage of the flying spaghetti monster.
mmmwenas she Ramen my fellow Pastafarianist.
Gay Marriage (or just marriage because thats what it is) doesn't concern absolutely anyone other than the two people in love and wanting to spend the rest of their lives together.
@TheTruthWillOut Not all people who officiate ceremonies are religious tho, you can chose you not have a religious wedding, there for not having a religious person officiate....so no it wouldn't concern that person in the slightest
@TheTruthWillOut Very true, no one has to do something they're uncomfortable with, or something they don't agree on at all. The only thing that annoyed me was that these people who don't agree on marriage between people of the same sex, are making it out like it effects them when it really doesn't, affect or concern them. if you get what i mean. its not going to change their everyday life, so they should just let people have the rights they deserve and are entitled to really. but i do see what you mean and someone who doesn't agree with it in no way shape or form has to be involved or be comfortable with it if their not. Just get on with their day.
Amen
TheTruthWillOut he or she can say no though
TheTruthWillOut I am not sure about how it works in the UK, but a lot of the US is deeply religious and they are not forced to do gay marriage ceremonies. It only entitles the same sex couple to a civil marriage (marriage licenses) and beyond that, religious establishments can choose whether or not they will officiate same sex marriage. It does not force anyone to compromise their religious beliefs and I think many people are being intentionally misled about this.
Based on that blonde woman's logic (apparently not a logical one), what if one or both partners in the marriage (that is, in her mind, based on procreation) are sterile? Are we going to take away their rights to get married as well?
*Mental gymnastic homophobia increases*
I ask that same question to homophobics and they always look away silent.
Little Monster and what happens to children whose parents died as she said they need their biological parents
Nice necklace behind the blonde bigot
YOUR ABSOLUTELY RIGHT - HOWEVER JUST BECAUSE HER ARGUMENT IS FLAWED DOESNT MEAN THE PRO-GAY 'MARRIAGE' IS RIGHT. YOU SEE A 'RIGHT' IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE OWED - AND AS GOD CREATED MARRIAGE AND DEFINED IT - GAYS HAVE NO RIGHT TO IT AND IT IS NON OF THEIR BUSINESS...NOW YOU WILL PROBABL MAKE SOME COMMENT ABOUT 'IDIOTIC RELIGION' AND 'THAT STUPID BOOK' RIGHT?? WELL YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT THERE IS MASSES OF SCIENTIFIC, GEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL EVIDENCES TO PROVE THE BIBLE TO BE RELIABLE AND HISTORICAL ACCURATE- PLEASE DONT TAKE MY WORD FOR IT CHECK HE FACTS FOR YOURSELF (WWWJOSH.ORG AND WWW.CHICK.COM) NOW GOD MAKES THE RULES AND WE WILL ALL BE JUDGED BY THEM - NO BODY HAS ANY SAY IN THAT. SO I WOULD BE SMART AND CHECK OUT THE BOOK OF ROMANS (NEW TESTEMENT) TO SEE THE ONLY WAY TO AVOID HELL..
The first lady mentioned the "1000s of years old definition of marriage" like it wasn't normal for men to have a harem of wives 1000s of years ago 🤣
“I’m uncomfortable.” Lol sis gay people have been uncomfortable for decades because of people like you getting up into our basic human rights.
David, I couldn't agree more!!! 😘
fynes leigh yes. Civil rights, for example. Many gay and trans people around the world still don’t have those. If only you had the faintest trace of a braincell. Do you know what a braincell is?
@fynes leigh learn some grammar! Then try again to make your point, because pretty sure the point was lost in translation....
@@pavladavlas they don't have them? Equal rights?
Shame.....
@@richarddenning7372 you're an ass
I hope I never become an ignorant old person. I want to continue to grow and learn for the rest of my life.
ALBUMOF2008 Same. The idea of becoming and old conservative conformist terrifies me
YES - I think about that all the time! It terrifies me that so many people are predispositioned to do that. I hope I am always the person to never drink the Kool-Aid, and question the status-quo all my life.
And then go to hell when you die.
Indeed, the older folks are the ones who are wise. Regrettably, they debate younger people who have been very easily brainwashed into believing in the evil, Satanic leftist pro-sodomy agenda.
"Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools" - Romans 1:22
You wrote what I've been thinking all this while! Haven't you noticed a disturbing trend where people are quite liberal in their views when they're young but become increasingly fixed and conservative as they grow older? That scares me. I don't ever want to be in a place where I refuse to acknowledge the other side of the argument.
"We're uncomfortable with this." OMG WHO CARES ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS
Whispering Jack lol truuuu
@Chris Rosendahl Hansen Straight people aren't oppressed, lol. And I typed, not spoke.
The FACT is, FACTS don't care about your feelings. And the FACT is the general public wanted same sex marriage. Stop relying on feelings to make arguments.
Should I care about your sexuality? I never asked, so irrelevant. So am I, but I'm not apologetic to people who put their emotions in the rule of law. Law is not about wrong or right, or bad and good...its about legal and illegal. Number one thing if you study law is - law is determined by what's legal and illegal.
You don't get brownie points or a gold star for being gay. Irrelevant to the conversation. You've misjudged the comment entirely. We're talking about changing laws, and emotions are not what we use as Carte Blanche to rule out the definition of a law or right. If every politician who was sad about famine ruled by emotion there wouldn't be a homeless person on the street. Stop being ridiculous...
I HAVE A POINT i mean, it is all about WHAT made them uncomfortable. if me or someone just existing as a gay human being makes a straight person uncomfortable, fuck them! they are not right. but if a gay person tongue fucking someone in the middle of a park, they have all the rights to be uncomfortable. because i wouldve get uncomfortable seeing someone’s PDA if theyre gay, or straight.
i mean, in the end, it’s all about the equality i gurss.
I agree with this woman. Same sex couples can have a Civil Ceremony, but marriage itself is a holy sacrament and should be reserved for heterosexual couples only. The Law should not have been changed.
If Roger Helmer's so uncomfortable with homosexuality, why has he modelled his whole look on the Village People?
YOUR ARGUMENT IS SO PATHETIC - OBVIOUSLY YOU KNOW YOU DONT ACTUALLY HAVE AN ARGUEMNT AND ARE TO ARROGANT TO ADMIT YOU ARE WRONG AND SO GO FOR THE PERSONAL ATTACK - 1/ HOMOPHOBIA IS AN IRRATIONAL FREAR OR HATRED OF GAYS - IT IS A DELIBERATE BULLYING TACTIC TO MISSUSE THE WORD TO TRY O BULLY PEOPLE INTO THE IDEA THAT BEING A PERVERT IS NORMAL. 2/ SO CALLED GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT MARRIAGE- THE DEFINITION WAS SET BU GOD AND THE LEFT NEED TO REALISE THAT THEY ARE NOT ENTITLED TO CHANGE DEFINITIONS TO FURTHER THEIR AGENDA. 3/ THE IDEA THAT IT IS INTOLERANT TO LET GAYS DO WHAT THEY WANT SHOWS A LACK OF EDCUATION - TOLERANCE IS PUTTING UP WITH WHAT YOU DONT LIKE - IT IS THOSE OF US WHO FIND HOMOSEXUAULITY REVOLTING THAT ARE THE TOERANT ONES. 4/ A RIGHT IS SOMETHING YOU ARE OWED - AND WANTING SOMETHING DOES NOT GIVE YOU A RIGHT TO IT. 5/ THERE IS MASSES OF SCIENTIFIC, GEOLOGICAL AND OTHER EVIDENCES TO PROVE THE BIBLE TO BE HISTORICALLY ACURRATE AND RELIBLE - AND GOD WILL JUDGE YOU BY HIS RULES AND YOU WONT HAVE ANY CHOICE IN THE MATTER- HE ONLY CHOICE YOU HAVE IS RECIEVE GODS FORGIVENESS WHILE YOU STILL CAN - CHECK THE FACTS FOR YOURSELF. AFTER ALL IS BURNING FOREVER IN HELL WORTH IT FOR A GOOD SHAG?? WWW.JOSH.ORG, WWW.DAYONE.CO.UK AND WWW.CHICK.COM..
You think that's a funny comment. But it isn't.
Alan Parkinson it actually is hahaha
Alan Parkinson this comment is fucking hilarious mate
What a read 😂😂
Marriage is about love and not about having children
Jeremy G
Community property and end of life care... etc.
Jeremy G - It's about tax breaks and handouts.
It's more about attaining social status and attention seeking rather than expressing love.
Jeremy G ... Marriage is a religious ceremony. No religion in the world recognises the concept of same sex marriage. To call a "civil partnership" ... a marriage is offensive to the billions on people who follow the three abrahamic religions!
Plushguyconnor ... you sound like a bird! Grow a pair. Marriage is a religious event! No religion in the world endurances same sex marriage. Facts don't care about your feelings. My position isn't biast. As I have no religion! But at least I have the respect to offend billions of people's faiths! Civil partnership is not marriage! And never will Be! Call it whatever you wish! But it is not reality! By all means dream away..
There is no logical reason to be against gay marriage. It doesn't affect straight marriage in any way; in fact it doesn't prevent us from doing anything. If you disagree with the lifestyle, don't practice it.
James.H. fear is an illogical thing because people fear what they don't understand there's nothing wrong with that you can't help but get scared once in a while but if you use that as an excuse your weak and repulsive
If you’re against same-sex marriage, don’t enter into a same-sex marriage. Don’t worry about what anyone else is doing if they aren’t causing you harm.
@krinkov545 I’m not a Christian so your Bible means nothing to me. Again, if they aren’t harming you or anyone else, mind your own damn business and get your own life.
Same sex relationships has happened since time began. Before people could write. Get over it.
this is the last cookie that means good things come out of past as well as bad things.
this is the last cookie Are you pro gay marriage or anti gay marriage? Probably the latter, but you could be one of the few skeptics that try to challenge their own side in order to strengthen the argument.
wink75 evidence please?
If someone steals your car they are still doing so without knowing that you will make the decision to not pursue having it returned or to press charges. They would have no reason to assume that you wouldn't be negatively affected by their actions, but choose to do so anyway. I think a strong case could be made saying that is immoral. However, there are situations like Robin Hood where money is stolen from the extremely wealthy and given to impoverished people. Some may say that is heroic, some may say it is immoral. Morality is not black and white. If you are a car thief, you cannot be certain that someone you steal a car from will agree with your actions without asking directly. Insurance may afford them a new car, but what if the one you stole had sentimental value? Not to mention the feeling of violation that comes with being stolen from. To claim that it would be moral to steal someone's car because they'll 'eventually be content' is quite a reach. In the case of underage sex, I think it can be made black and white. Children do not have the mental capacity to comprehend what kind of long term effects sexual activity will have on their lives and are therefore incapable of consenting. To consent, you must understand or at least be capable of understanding the act you are engaging into. Although intellectual maturity comes at different times for different people, the law generally dictates 18 as the age a person is able to consent to sexual activity. At least legally, an 18 year old can engage in sexual acts with any other person(s) also above the age of 18. Whether you feel comfortable with an 18 year old (same-sex or otherwise) engaging in a sexual relationship with someone who is 50 years old is not really of any consequence to the situation. There are plenty of immoral things that a 50 year old could do to an 18 year old they are engaging in a sexual relationship with, but the sex itself cannot by applied to a moral scale. Sex may be involved in immorality if it is coerced or achieved through deception. But in those cases the sex itself is still not the immoral factor, the coercion and deception are. Indulgence in sex is not moral or immoral because morality is in the outcome of an action, not the action itself. Murder is wrong not because the act of shooting a gun or stabbing with a knife is wrong, but because the outcome of taking someone's life against their wishes is wrong.
wink75 Amen I'm gay myself and I have a boyfriend our anniversary is this year yasssssss and we are getting a new house
"I'm a christian, so you should have no rights". You've heard this for thousands of years if you were black, jewish, gay or a woman.
Or even poor, tbh
or a scientist
***** Yes, but that goes both ways. Muslims have tried to impose their ideology as much as christians. Gays never have. Nor have scientists.
John Fisher
lol given how passionately you feel and think about gays, I think you really are gay yourself, and for some reason terribly afraid xD
cheers mate you'll get it eventually ;) ♥
They're really running out of people to oppress aren't they..?? Haha :D
Isnt it scary that this was only 5 years ago
We still have a long way to go.
In the Netherlands same sex marriage was legalised in 2001..
@Beverly Mandahl Do you even know what's wrong with pedophiles? Because if you do you wouldn't say this. Two grown up people in love =/= raping kids!
@Beverly Mandahl Prove this law. There is nothing about this at all. Not sure if just trolling or a conspiracy theorist.
It makes me happy to see a person with an Ahri avatar making this comment =)
"marriage is about children" Oh yes, because it is impossible to conceive outwith marriage.
Who has the right to tell anyone else that they cannot marry the person they love. it is not even up for question
+jan simonides there's a difference between a man marrying another man compared to marrying his mother (1) the other man did not give birth to him (2) the other man is not biologically related (3) it's againts the law to marry your mother
+finn191275 a lot of gay relationships last longer than straight marriages considering 50% of straight marriages end in divorce yet thy think thy have the right to stop gay people marrying wen 50% of straight people can't even make their own marriages work
+jan simonides the percentage is irrelevant why should gay people take note from straight people about the sanctaty of marriage wen 50% of the straight people get divorced thy can't even make their own marriages work yet expect to dictate over gay people
+jan simonides Too many.
+finn191275 We are not talking about whether gay or straight marriages work or not we are talking about the normality of men marrying ( GAG!! ) other men. And it just plain aint normal. And if you say it is then you aint normal either. But by judging all your previous past comments I think we pretty much knew that anyway.
I'm christian and I'm pro-gay marriage. I don't see why saying "i'm christian" is an argument. It is not.
@Ignasi Marti Palet - So you're saying that the person who said can't use it because it isn't YOUR opinion ? People CAN say it and not have to refer to you. It IS an argument
Phil K Saying "I'm christian" is not an argument. Not all christians think like her. But even if that was the case, people who don't believe in that religion couldn't care less about their believes. Gay marriage isn't a religious topic is a civil rights topic. I won't change my way of living because muslims believe It's wrong because I'm not muslim, so I don't expect gay people to follow what some religious people think. The Catholic Church says NOTHING about civil gay marriage, there's not even a consensus in the Church lol.
Ignasi Martí Palet because the bible says it’s not allowed? so how is it not about being Christian?
i feel like the religion is being blamed when the problem lies with people's intepretations of that religion in an extremist sense. I feel like it's just easier to blame it all on a religion rather than the people inside that religion.
I may be an agnostic but I respect everyone and their religion, if they want to have faith in something, it doesn't affect me at all and as long as they're nice to me, and others, then I don't care if they're christian, muslim, buddhist, hindi. As long as they appreciate mine and many other's sexualities and lifestyles then that's fine by me. Equality for all!
Because heterosexual marriage works out soooooo well
As if...
Yes,actually marriage is better then not
@Anton Babani do you understand that homosexuality is common among the animal kingdom, and we're not particularly natural beings either.
@Anton Babani oops you're wrong there, some animals have populations that are *exclusively* homosexual, sheep for example where about 10% of Rams are exclusively homosexual, I'd say that'd be enough to be considered a lifestyle
@Anton Babani you obviously wouldn't have because the farm has very few Rams, and because in the presence of humans they would be focused on fleeing from you. Do you understand statistics by the way? Also here: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3085551/
I was uncomfortable with the concervative party being voted into power. Democracy is a double edged sword, some fights you lose, some fights you win. If the majority want gay marriage, and you can't accept living in a country with gay marriage, move to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
I wish people would stop bringing the bible into this, it's a damn book for goodness sake
Fully agree but remember, it's not just a book. It's a book written two fucking thousand years ago...you know, by people who thought that slavery was okay, genocide is okay, that raped women have to marry the rapist, etc. We should be listening to the opinions of people who also believed that you should put a dead toad under your bed to cure warts. Sorry if I don't take what The Bible says too seriously Miss grey haired Christian lady. lol.
***** Religion (in particular Christianity) hijacked marriage and claimed it for itself. Ceremonies celebrating the union of a couple has occurred since the beginning of recorded time; with or without religion. The Bible didn't invent religion.
Marriage isn't always religious, Derp
I agree.
omg it’s me
Marriage has existed for thousands of years before Christianity
@Beverly Mandahl Exactly, because the idea of homosexuality vs heterosexuality is only 200 years old, give or take. What we would call gay relationships today was perfectly acceptable in Ancient Greece, Rome, Egypt, Mesoamerica, Japan and elsewhere. Probably the main thing in Rome, for example, was the man of higher status had to be the dominant partner.
@Beverly Mandahl Adult men, not boys
@Beverly Mandahl I'm well aware that pederasty was practiced, but no, there is no slippery slope that will end up making it legal. The most I've seen is people treating it more as a mental illness than criminal behaviour, at least the ones who haven't harmed a child
Beverly Mandahl I think you’ll find it did, you mong.
We’re trying to shape the future. Stop living in the past yourself, dear.
"why should we change the definition of marriage?" ..... we're not. marriage hasn't changed, all that's happened is more people can enjoy it. the end.
I wish I could find a boyfriend, or girlfriend.
Nobody enjoys marriage
@@makubegysman6160 I wish I was married
@@unicorntomboy9736 me too.....😥🥺😥
Makube Gysman lol I love this comment 😂
The institution of marriage was when a man gave his daughter away for breeding in exchange for land and livestock. The daughter had no say in the matter. Gay marriage is more about love than the traditional values of marriage which in some ways let's face it, was close to sex trafficking.
bullshit
I want to get excited about my girlfriend to everyone! I wanna tell my grandma about how gorgeous she is and how much she makes me smile! I don’t know why I have to be afraid to say things like that? I don’t want to lose relationships?? And I can’t tell everyone about my relationship bc she’s lost three friends and she doesn’t want to lose more?? I shouldn’t have to hold back??
you're disrespecting your grammy by living in your own sin. you must repent and then maybe you can be saved by the grace of GOD
the people who truly love you will accept you for who you truly are. stay strong :)
I hope you and your girlfriend have a long happy life and are able to ignore the impotent christian shites.
It’s so sad that we can’t just tell the world who we love without having sour people telling us what’s right and what’s wrong :-/ keep your chin up!
I know how you feel! I just turned 14, and my girlfriend and I kissed for the first time today, and I love her so much. I just wish I could tell the other people I care about so much.
All my life i have believed people getting married just got married because they loved each other. I still believe this. Marriage isnt all about the kids. Having kids is a choice. Marriage is about bringing in two people that ACTUALLY LOVE EACH OTHER together for the rest of their lives til death do they part.
Yay, someone I can understand
+Nic F No its not. This is done the world over. Its called a marriage licence.
+Karrie Being gay is also a choice.
+uK8cvPAq
Against the Laws of nature?
Homosexuality is completely natural, do some research
Hello There Completely natural?????? PWHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!! Who told you that???
Replace "gay" with "interracial" and where do people like this Christian woman stand? Because 50 years ago, that was the argument that had to go to the Supreme Court of the United States of America.
@@OscarDirlwood you are not okay
"I'm a Christian..." and there you have it!
"When equality already exists." It clearly doesn't if you're that same - sex couples shouldn't be able to marry.
Hazbin Equality does exist. Every person has the same rights as everyone else.
Calling this a debate about equality is stupid.
so, lgbt folk have the right to marry who they love and women have equal pay? Because last I checked that's BS
Hazbin same sex has nothing to do with marriage
Jim Keddy stretch90 Queencrazy1997 What I'm saying is that she said about why should they change the definition of marriage when equality already exists when it doesn't when she is saying that they shouldn't be able to marry because of that reason.
Jim Keddy I didn't understand most of that, but you said "GAYS are odd people" What is odd about being attracted to someone and loving them? Love has no gender, race or religion. LOVE IS LOVE. And I don't understand if you think that being gay is a choice or not. But as a gay person, I can tell you that it is NOT a choice and there is NOTHING wrong with it! What's wrong with two gay people marrying each other? It's love and love is beautiful! And if you say that throughout history marriage has been between a man and woman. Women never used to have the same rights as men did, but they do now. History moves on!
If choosing your sexuality (if your gay or straight) is a choice then my question is when did you decide to be straight?
great point.homophobia is disgusting
No you fucking moron you are inherently heterosexual, its fucking nature.
National Socialist+ Science does not support your assertion about human sexuality.
***** No you are wrong, do not manipulate biology for your agenda.
National Socialist Just reading the findings of scientists in peer-reviewed academic journals. Not manipulating anything. Don't need to.
An institution that has been around for thousands of years? You mean when a middle-aged man would pay a 12 year-old girl's father a few goats or rabbits or some silver? The institution of marriage has already changed so much- it has gone from an arrangement for the purpose of business or procreation or family reasons to a commitment made to someone you love and want to spend your life with.
In Muslims faith yes. But Christians did not take that view
Sadly your description of marriage is still true for many young girls in the world today
Steppenwolf Sister I don't think you're looking back far enough if you think this isn't true of Christians too.
To quote Rick Sanchez, "I'm sorry. But your opinion means very little to me."
"Marriage isn't completely about love--"
Me: *Exscuse you??*
ThEn WhAt IS iT aBOut ThEn!!!
That one girl to be fair, the original purpose of marriage was political and used to unite houses
It didn’t become a romantic concept until much, much later
@@Damon242 true
DespairNemesis the entire argument here as to biological children in marriage is basically a slap in the face to every solo parent, widow or adopted parent.
It’s also conflates two very separate issues.
An individual or child (isn’t exclusive to children) will seek out role models regardless of whether they have a mother or father present - it’s not guaranteed that those parents automatically fill the role by simply being present.
Bitch saaaammmeee
Wow!!! NEVER in my lifetime did I ever expect to see the world change as it has in regards to homosexuality. I was born in 1944 . During the early 1960's My friends took me to see someone who was a hermaphrodite. I came out to him/her and got the best advice I ever received. "Be Yourself" I knew instantly I had that right. I from that day onward came out to all my friends.
The 1960 well..that was a long time ago; things were different back then, but it was a time for coming out for a lot of us. I hope my doing so helped pave the way for what is happening in the world today. I was accepted by all my friends and met many who were like myself. I want to thank you all for opening your minds and your understanding. You have all made your world a better place.
+Robert Worth
Everyone plays a small role! I'm grateful that people like you dared to come out back when it was far less safe, because it made it much easier for my girlfriend and I to do the same today. Few things ever change without some blood sweat and tears, sadly, but thankfully things really are progressing.
I'm glad that it turned out well for you in spite of everything!
+agentlolipop001 Well thank you for the kind words. Much appreciated!! All the best to you both!
+a bond What a nice story; thanks for sharing it. You know things take time; and eventually no one will bat an eye. I am sure neither of us expected to happen what has happened in our lifetime. You two mom are doing an amazing job with your daughter. I wish you all the best. What a great family!! Well done.
+Robert Worth You are a brave person, big respect to you. I was not around in the 60s but from what I've heard, it was still a difficult time to be gay. I've heard about so called "poofter bashing" that people used to take part in.
+Joe Will Thank you Joe. To be really honest here; during the 1960's and onward to the present day; I have not experienced any problems because of my sexuality. The 60's were a peace loving generation and a sexual revolution was born. Everyone was loving each other and it didn't seem to matter who it was with. I never had so much sex in my life. I was just me as I knew I had the right to be. I know for a fact that many of my partners were straight.
My absolute favourite analogy when it comes to this topic - “ I went to subway today to get my favourite sandwich. The guy in front of me ordered a different sub. I was pissed because he didn’t get the same sub as me, even though it didn’t affect me in any way. This is what people sound like when they say. Gay marriage affects them”
You’re comparing something important as marriage to a sandwich
Elena Oakes changing the definition of marriage affects the society as a whole: schools, churches, what opinions you are allowed To voice etc...
@@Tye-mt2kb not a very effective one, to say the least
Vita Thaïs and that’s a wonderful thing. Our archaic ideas will die with us so humanity can move forward. Can you imagine that the same bible people use to tell people whom to marry also supports slavery? That’s right. Know your bible
dave_császár biology is not archaic. Abolishment of slavery Arose from the Christian idea that every man is worthy as an image of God. HOWEVER after creation of man, there was the Fall, and that’s why we sin. Yes, know your Bible. Hope you have read it.
"Marriage is not primarily about love." So, if a couple can't have children for whatever reason (i.e. infertility) then their marriage is useless? Not sure where the logic for that comes from. Also think its hilarious that you'd admit on national TV that you essentially don't love your husband.
Nowadays, the meaning of marriage in majority of cases is unclear. Yes, people say it's a celebration of love but I see it as an excuse for a woman and a man to have one day where they get to flash their cash and have the spotlight on them.
If marriage was really about love, then 50% of them wouldn't end in divorce.
Also if a child NEEDS both a mother and a father present for a 'correct' upbringing, what about single mothers and fathers? That women is ridiculous