If you’re interested in having a copy of the slides, here is a download link: No Longer Calvinist Part 1: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcmam5dzjr0pyvuygi7d6/Calvinist-No-Longer-Part-1.pdf?rlkey=d5ew72dn9douxmnx6nldr8z92&dl=0
Thank you for sharing your journey and knowledge that's led you to no longer believing in Calvinism. Very helpful info. I took a bunch of screenshots, thanks for sharing your slides!
Calvanists take the bible with preconceived beliefs rather than from what the Bible says in context. I was Calvanist for a couple years too. It's was such a bad detriment to my heart and soul. Calvanists are not honest with themselves. Take hebrews when it says if you've willingly sinned there is no more sacrifice. The truth is that it's talking to hebrews in the tribulation but calvanists teach it as unpardonable sins. Complete lies. We all sin willingly all the time. They are not honest with their own condition. God will forgive all those who come to him. So much bondage that is moreso catholic based and as you said all the other bible translations are at fault. Although I think the nkjv is also faulted too and not the same as the authorized kjv. I believe the bible is specific in its words and the 2 are different
The beginning of your video is already biased, you begin to softly attack all of the people who believe(d) in the sovereignty of God, listing all of the translations of scripture, you do not start by what you said your purpose was which is to tell us what you have learned - 15 minutes in and you are still attacking Christian beliefs.
I went headlong into studying the Calvinistic doctrines and found that the doctrine of "predestination" was never about being predestined to "salvation" but those IN CHRIST are predestined to "adoption" or "glorification". Big different. Calvinists conflate these texts to their detriment, because they change the heart of God by doing this.
Actually. Paul says those whom He predestined he...JUSTIFIED!!!! You error in not understanding Paul. You are inserting the idea that predestination follows after one becomes in Christ. You are making salvation ultimately in the hands of humans. smh.
@@SugoiEnglish1 No, I am not reading into anything. Note id doesn't say, those whom God predistined, those He also "saved". It's pretty clear the one who is presupposing is the Calivinst. Calvinists like to say what you just said, "You are making salvation ultimately in the hands of humans. smh." That just shows 1 of 2 things. 1. You are ignorant of what provisionists, or what I like to call normal Christians, believe, or... 2. You just willingly misrepresent what we believe. No Christian thinks salvation is ini our hand. God did ALL the work. However, "faith" is not a work. Everyone has been given faith. Some CHOOSE not to put that faith in the creator, others do. It doesn't mean those who are saved are any "better" than those who didn't. God did all the work, but it REQUIRES our belief. I just skip all the philisophical dung heap of Calvinism and take it to its logical end; which makes GOD the author os sin. THAT is not biblical. Why can I take this to the logical end? I'll tell you. IF God, controls every thought, deed and action in time, then that byh default MAKES us sin, which makes Him the orignator of that sin. That is blasphemous. Why can't you see that?
Romans 8:29-30: "29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also GLORIFIED." So does God glorify people who have not accepted the gospel? Why reject something like that ?
@@SugoiEnglish1 I just read the very end of your comment. You say that I am leavin salvaiton ulitmately in the hands of humans. They you wnat to shake your head at me? How ridiculous. Do all Calivinsts just put words in othe rpeople's mouths? God took care of salvation for ALL who will believe. Humans can't do a damn thing for salvation. Unless you teach that faith is also a work, but that would be quite stupid to say that, since Paul contrasts the two repeatedly.
I left Calvinism last year after about 15 years of being a Calvinist. Just starting your video, but looking forward to it. I wonder what our journeys will have in common.
@@ivylagrone8632 long story short. I ended up down a massive reconstruction path of my theology after learning some things. I began seeing the problems with God being the author of evil under Calvinism, and determinism being incompatible with who God is. They can argue for compatibilism, but it's still just determinism. I also came to an understanding that the doctrine of original sin and guilt being passed on to us wasn't the best explanation imo, understanding that we're not actually unable to repent and believe as humans, that faith is not a work that would merit salvation in some sort of synergistic model. There are other things as well, but those are the biggies.
@@danb151 That's great. Thanks for replying. I'm always curious about people's journeys. It sounds to me like you just wanted to know the truth all along. :)
@@2minTheology Fallacies? Gods Word spoken clearly and succinctly and rightly divided. Like other Calvinist I am sure you isolate scriptures then quickly arrive at conclusions ignoring the dozens of scriptures that say otherwise. Simply put Calvinism is a Christian Sect like the Mormons and Jehovahs Witness. For example.. thousands upon thousands of people follow Jesus, pray to the Father in Jesus name. Get born again from the conviction of the Holy Spirit. John 16:8-11 NKJV And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] of sin, because they do not believe in Me; [10] of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; [11] of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged. Pray the prayer of Roman’s 10. Romans 10:9-11 NKJV that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. [11] For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." And you believe none of it. Why? You’ve believed a lie.. You hyper focus on Rom 9:18 and disregard the answer in Psalms 118 Psalm 118:4-6 NKJV Let those who fear the LORD now say, "His mercy endures forever." [5] I called on the LORD in distress; The LORD answered me and set me in a broad place. [6] The LORD is on my side; I will not fear. What can man do to me? Then your head goes into Calvinist God is Sovereign Ideology, yeah it is, which means it is Gods will that HIS MERCY ENDURES FOREVER.. Towards whom? Let’s start in the beginning. Gods Promise to Abraham.. Genesis 12:3 NKJV I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed." And in you All the families of the earth WILL BE BLESSED . If there is no opportunity for salvation any other blessing means nothing. Then Calvinist ignore 1 Tim 2 1 Timothy 2:3-4 NKJV For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, [4] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth. Desires all men to be saved period. Of course at this point you’ve convinced yourself I don’t know the Bible because all the scriptures i mentioned are dependent on Gods Sovereignty.. while ignoring the fact the GODS WORD IS HIS SOVEREIGNTY. My friend, you never repented, you never coward under the conviction of the Holy Spirit and out loudly proclaimed that you believed in Jesus and consider Jesus Lord and Savior. Regeneration DOES NOT PRECEDE FAITH WORKS OF FAITH ARE NOT WORKS THAT PRODUCE SALVATION. Faith is the simple act of believing Gods Word. Of course this also is screwed up in your mind because this Calvinist Devils doctrine taught you that you can’t believe in Gods Word on your own.. I could go on and on. PS. I can assure you because you are a Calvinist you will never know more about Gods Word than any Christian Denomination. You belong to a Christian Sect. The most divisive Christian Sect. Who tells people God doesn’t love them, that the majority of them were created for hell, that although God created them not to believe.. they are still culpable of their sins even though God ordained it so. But of course he choose you for heaven. Makes you feel good.. guess what it’s a lie! This is Evil, This is Satan on steroids, it’s called Calvinism and you are it’s child…
@@DanteInfernski22 Sorry Mr Flowers makes me cringe. I think you'd be better getting clarity about Calvinism from a Calvinist . Blind leading the blind. Not intended to cause offence but rather to amplify the point i'm making
I've watched hundreds of videos on Calvinism from the multiple TH-camrs speaking out against it. This is one of the best, straightforward videos I've seen. You don't waste time, and you aren't rude toward Calvinists. Great video. Subscribing because of it.
@zamrock2508, Definitely there are some people that are totally depraved and cannot be saved and Christ did no die for them, they are what the bible called reprobates.. Jesus gave His Life only for the Elect...God indeed predestined all the elect to be saved even before they are born and predestined all the reprobates for damnation even before they are born.. That is what Jesus revealed in the Parable of Wheat and Tares.. Example of those predestined to be saved can be found in Acts 13:48 NLT which says: "When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers." Note: This Gentiles who heard the gospel for the first time were already chosen for eternal life, even before they hear the gospel and believed.. Example of those predestined for damnation can be found in John 8:44-45 where Jesus said: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."
Thank you so much for this video. I was saved out of the prosperity gospel, ended up a cage stage calvinist and then looked at all scriptire through the calvanist lenses. The other night, I randomly burst out in tears out of NO WHERE and said to my husband, "I feel like i might be dishonoring God by saying he only chooses some" he encouraged me to pray and ask the holy spirit to lead me , few days later i came across (wasnt searching for it) great light studios and now your channel. Thank you.
You do not have to choose between these two "belief systems", some might give you that impression? You have the Bible and the greatest teacher, the holy Spirit. It IS possible to have both, the scripture and the charisma , gifts😊
The speaker said that Calvinists don't do much preaching of the Gospel ... my experience is VERY different. The ones I know share their faith in Jesus much more than I do. They are much less timid.
@matthewj2492, I am not a Calvinist but definitely there are some people that are totally depraved and cannot be saved and Christ did no die for them, they are what the bible called reprobates.. Jesus gave His Life only for the Elect...God indeed predestined all the elect to be saved even before they are born and predestined all the reprobates for damnation even before they are born.. That is what Jesus revealed in the Parable of Wheat and Tares.. Example of those predestined to be saved can be found in Acts 13:48 NLT which says: "When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers." Note: This Gentiles who heard the gospel for the first time were already chosen for eternal life, even before they hear the gospel and believed.. Example of those predestined for damnation can be found in John 8:44-45 where Jesus said: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."
Geez only 2years ago it seems that only Leighton Flowers (Soteriology101) was on TH-cam speaking out on Calvinism. It's so great to see all these channels (new and older) taking up the cause of God's love for all people. GMW, Great Light Studios, Alana L, BTF and now Living Christian! Liked and Subscribed!🙏
Calvinism had the internet captured. No longer. People went to “Got Questions”, “Bible Hub or Bible Ref”. Etc. And always received Calvinistic answers. Then people dug deeper and held Calvinism up to the light of scripture. Now the internet is being used to tell the truth. We need even more channels!
All of His people. Ephesians 5:25-29: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle
@@KiwiKhristian Thankfully He died for all so that whosoever accepts Him as their LORD and Savior can become part of the church and His people. Good verses. Thanks.
@@KiwiKhristian And who does God show or desire to show mercy to? You can find the answer throughout the New testament pretty easy enough. 2 Peter 3:9 [9]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. John 3:16 [16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. 1 Timothy 2:3-6 [3]For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour; [4]Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. [5]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; [6]Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time. 1 John 2:2 [2]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. Hebrews 2:9 [9]But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
I really appreciate this video! I am especially glad to hear that you're a biblical counselor -- I'm going through biblical counseling training right now, and have struggled with the Calvinist teaching and all the Calvinist authors we have to read. There's a lot to weed out as I'm learning all the good biblical truths! I am decidedly *not* Calvinist -- in my view, Calvinism distorts the very character of God, and actually makes Him out to be a liar and a hypocrite (a liar because He tells sinful men from Gen 4 through Revelation to choose to believe and follow Him in order to be saved, but on Calvinism they literally cannot do that unless He causes them to; a hypocrite because He tells men not to sin, but on Calvinism He decrees (causes) sin). I know that's harsh, and I hate to even put those words together, but I don't see a way around it. I know (well, I hope!) Calvinists don't look at it that way, somehow.
@@GoodBereanI had to quit the program and ditch all his books because of his Calvinism when I walked away from the reformed church. I simply couldn’t trust the teaching. If that’s what he believed so strongly how can I trust his judgement in how he handles scripture and how he advises us to apply it in a believers life? I was really sorry to have to do that but they require too many of his books and it all feels untrustworthy now.
I got into an argument with a Calvinist pastor and the ONLY question I had that seemed to break through his haughty exterior (after exhausting verses I thought best argued against limited atonement) was: "Isn't it strange that children who are raised in the faith, both at church and at home, have a much higher chance of being arbitrarily chosen by God to salvation?" He actually stuttered and looked visibly uncomfortable. No confident response to that, bc he's seen for himself that children raised in the faith will frequently adopt the God of their parents.
So I asked a Calvinist the same question. He pointed me to a multi-authored book: "To You and Your Children: Examining the Biblical Doctrine of Covenant Succession." Now, despite the validity of these arguments, my question - like yours - still remains. The logic of Calvinism is still severely wanting. Give it a read and hopefully you can better press this pastor!
Was the pastor some flavor of Baptist? This is where Covenant Theology comes into play. God blessed the household of believers and expects the head to bring all those under the headship of a believer to be brought into the covenant community. So it should be expected that most Christians come into the faith by birth into a Christian family, having heard the gospel all their life and been discipled to take hold of their faith for themselves and live it out. Baptists tend to downplay this and treat the children of believers as outside the covenant community. I've heard phrases like "vipers in diapers" and similar. Baptize your babies! If this is to ask why we don't see a uniform random distribution and instead see more Christians where Christians already are, I'm not sure why this would be a problem at all on Calvinism, or if it is, why it is uniquely a problem for Calvinism. If this is about the anti-Calvinist rhetoric of God working randomly, don't fall for your own propaganda. Calvinists don't think God is random or saves people through chance, that's more characteristic of positions that take salvation out of God's hand and leave it up to a free will decision.
Thank you for sharing the fruit of your labor in the Scriptures. This is so needed because Calvinism shapes a Christian's world view. Reformed theology led me to absolute and total despair. Hope was vanquished and doom ensued. I praise God for giving me back my faith (which meant leaving my church of 23 years). This isn't just an important topic it is a necessary topic. Praising God for your ministry to the body of Christ (included your counseling ministry).
Calvinism is relatively new to me in relation to how long I have been saved. I can genuinely tell you I was saved between ages four and five. I am now twenty-six and I only heard about Calvinism when I was 20. The entire doctrine of Determinism or Calvinism, however you decide to say it, was appalling to me. I had a strong resistance to it and wrote it off as ludicrous. As I have grown in understanding Calvinism, I have learned there is more merit to it than I originally thought and had to genuinely struggle to form good answers against the view. After six years of hearing, learning, researching, and reading scripture, I have not changed my view that Calvinism is anti-Biblical. I do believe Calvinists can be true believers, but the Doctrines themselves are man made twistings of scripture. The only way you can get Calvinism is if you first are introduced to the concept of Determinism and then come to the Bible with Deterministic lenses and search specifically for verses that sound Deterministic, rip them out of their contexts, and missapply them to eachother to froce them to teach something they were never intended to teach. Thankyou for adding your story and teachings. I will probably watch this a few more times to make sure I fully understand what it is your saying and where your coming from. God bless brother, and keep marching forward with God's truth.
I was also offended when I heard the blasphemous claims of calvinism for the first time about 4 years ago. I've only grown more disgusted by its gnostic claims against our SAVIOR CHRIST JESUS as time goes on.
One logical fallacy I see with Calvinism is that it requires God to deny himself. The non-Elect, created to perish, having been made in God's image, are purposely destroyed by Him. Thus, God is destroying his own image.
@@PETERJOHN101 this is the fallacy I see which follows the same line of logic. The Bible says that God is pleased to do His will, it says that God desires mercy not justice, the Bible says that God does not delight in the destruction of the evil, and Calvinism states that it was God's sovereign will to preordain the wicked to destruction for the wicked that He in His perfect and good will predestined them to do. It doesn't line up. They pit God against Himself, and as stated by Jesus, "No kingdom set against itself can stand."
@@andrewjackson8244 Right, yet another scripture violated by Calvin. If God is glorified by destroying people, he would take pleasure in it. Also, how could anyone distinguish between God and Satan if Calvinism was true? God bless!
While the details of how God saves us may not be a primary issue, I believe that the implications of Calvinistic determination makes God evil, which is a big deal. And if these calvinists are retranslating the word to fit their doctrine, scripture says something about that as well…
Thank you for this video. I came from a position of ignorance before diving into this subject some years ago, so I have never been a calvinist. I so admire people like yourself, who have had to turn from that which they held dear, in order to accept the truth. That takes guts and no small amount of humility, not to mention open ears to hear. Much respect.
Much respect indeed. Especially knowing that it cost you something. And that a whole bunch of people will look at you differently (often times look down at you.. (speaking from experience)).. . and consider you now "outside" the clique. So much to lose from doing it and, more so, for actually admitting it... But INFINITELY SO MUCH MORE TO GAIN IN CHRIST AND TRUTH! Blessings, my brother.
I had a similar experience coming out of the hyper charismatic movement, the low you feel is real...dove straight into reformed theology as I believed if it was not the one(charismatic) it had to be the other(reformed). Realy tried my utmost bestest to swallow TULIP, but after submitting to the Holy Spirit to come out of that false church, I was sensitive to His prompting that something was off here too. I was also terrified of being deceived again so I never just accepted anything, I still dont. I study and study and study to make extra sure whatever is taught lines up with the Word. I never allow myself to become complacent...if Ive learned anything it is that the enemy never sleeps and he cant be accused of being lazy. We must desire God's truth above all things, and ask Him every day to give us discernment. Often what seems right to a man will still lead to distruction.
So studies have shown that Pelagius didn't believe in Pelagiun teachings but was falsely accused by Augustine as believing those things. Pelagius denied those teachings and agreed that they were heretecial. So Augustin just called those teachings, "Pelagianism".
Admittedly, I am moving very slowly through this vid. & sometimes have to listen to parts more than once or twice ; ) It's so jam-packed w/excellent theological info. I just wanted to say, Thank You & God Bless....Looking forward to future vids.
Can a Christian be shacked up and fornicate with his house keeper over most of his life as a so called man of God and be considered a Christian Christ follower? If yes then Augustine was a christian.
thats a very strange thing to say, augustine said some strange things but you have to remember that he is a saint in th two orthodox traditions, he also heavily influenced luther heavily. You have to remember to be more respectful about the ones who came before you. God bless
@@hamontequila1104 with all respect, I don't owe Augustine respect just because he came before me. It also doesn't matter that he is a "saint" in two "orthodox" traditions. Every believer in Christ is a biblical saint, so that isn't impressive to me in the least. And my doubts still stand, as i don't know if he had a true conversion or just adopted Christianity.
@@hamontequila1104 Yes Luther another heretic like Calvin. Both deranged by the Catholic declared saint Augustine. Quote from Luthers own writings: “Burn their synagogues. Forbid them all that I have mentioned above. Force them to work and treat them with every kind of severity, as Moses did in the desert and slew three thousand… If that is no use, we must drive them away like mad dogs, in order that we may not be partakers of their abominable blasphemy and of all their vices, and in order that we may not deserve the anger of God and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Let everyone see how he does his. I am excused.” (About the Jews and Their Lies,’ quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, p. 290.) “ If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of the Elbe, hang a stone round his neck and push him over with the words I baptize thee in the name of Abraham” (Grisar, “Luther”, Vol. V. pg. 413.) “The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows seven times higher than ordinary thieves.”(Weimar, Vol. 53, Pg. 502.) Luther was a Calvinist before Calvin. ( They both idolized Augustine the principal of the Catholic system!) No Christian here! Quote from Calvins own writings: "God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6) “…salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5) “We call predestination God’s eternal decree, by which he compacted with himself what he willed to become of each man. For all are not created in equal condition; rather, eternal life is fore-ordained for some, eternal damnation for others.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5) …some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5). God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death…(Institutes, 3.23.6). No Christian here! Augustine said: Augustine was one of the fathers of the heresy of infant baptism, claiming that unbaptized infants were lost, and calling all who rejected infant baptism “infidels” and “cursed”. Augustine exalted church tradition above the Bible and said,”I should not believe the gospel unless I were moved to do so by the authority of the Catholic Church”. He was among the first who taught a-millennialism and that the nephilim were descendents of Cain instead of (as the Bible says) a mixture of angels and female human beings. “By Adam’s transgression, the freedom of’ the human will has been completely lost.” “By the greatness of the first sin, we have lost the freewill to love God.” “By subverting the rectitude in which he was created, he is followed with the punishment of not being able to do right” and “the freedom to abstain from sin has been lost as a punishment of sin.” No christian here! REAL CHRISTIANS BELOW 1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. 1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world. Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-.... John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. Truth in love
This was very charitably and lovingly done brother and I thank you for this, even though many calvinists will label you as an unregenerate reprobate for telling these truths you have . I'm sure you realize this and if you don't, you will when all is said and done. The EDD claims of calvinism are blasphemous by definition because they corruptly portray CHRIST JESUS as a petty hypocrite that breaks HIS OWN sayings and laws . The fact that CHRIST isn't making a legitimate offer in Mark 16 : 15 according to calvinists allows one to know what blasphemous heretocal view they have of our SAVIOR CHRIST JESUS as HE offers salvation to EVERY CREATURE IN THE WHOLE WORLD through the preaching of the gospel.
So true: 2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (KJV) 3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
So, Calvinist are heretics and blasphemous? Really? Why did Dr. Flowers call them"brothers"? The church has often said the opposite about those who upheld complete free will and autonomy unaffected by the Fall (Jacobus Arminius, Pelagian, Erasmus of Rotterdam, etc). Martin Luther wrote Bondage of the Will and no one has been able to counter that work Biblically. Jonathan Edwards wrote Freedom of the Will arguing that the will must be freed to will after God in the new birth and only then can it be truly free in Christ. Biblically, no one has been able to refute that work. Whenever man's will is seen as the operative force in salvation you get heretical groups, cults, false religion, prosperity Gospel, The Word of Faith movement, hyper emotionalism, decisionism, because man's will is at the center of the system. Jesus' blood is wasted, God demands 2 payments for sinners in hell (Jesus' and man) mankind is only partially fallen, God has no power to save, God is waiting on what man will do, stripping God of His omnipotence, etc. The whole system diminishes God and exalts mankind.
As a school teacher I really love the clarity and organization of this video haha just getting started listening, very excited to hear what you have to say!
Calvinism isn’t a hill we live (salvation) or die on or condemn others with or should divide the church with. I’m Calvinist but Christian first and find fellowship with those who trust in the truth of the gospel to be one of Christs most beautiful blessings to us. The church is already divided enough. Find peace with those who trust Christ died and rose to redeem us. Find fellowship with Christians who know the truth and find peace and comfort looking into another fellow brother and sisters eyes who have Faith in Christ above all things.
I find it hard to believe that you didn’t find it to be biblical. You might of thought some of Calvin’s exposition to be, but I seriously doubt you read all 47 volumes, or the 100s of published sermons to find it all to be “not biblical”.
@@rms-vp6hf I didn't read all of his material. But I approached his core doctrine of TULIP, and found that it's not biblical. He has a lot of things right in his other work. But hos soteriology, which is mostly what Calvinism is related to, I did not.
@@awesomefacepalm well that is how I know you are lying. Calvin never taught, or used the acronym TULIP. It usually boils down to two camps, those who believe in man’s inability to participate in his own salvation and those who believe they do. Calvin taught (biblically) we are saved by grace alone, not by works or reason, but through faith in Christ which is the gift of God. That is completely biblical. I would ask anyone…what is it, in you specifically, that has allowed you to accept, believe, repent and save yourself if you reject what is commonly referred to as TULIP?
@@rms-vp6hf talk about acting in bad faith. This is why I don't like to talk with internet Calvinists. I know that TULIP wasn't coins by Calvin. It's a summary that was later invented by those who studied Calvin. We are saved by grace yes, that's a doctrine not exclusive to Calvin, its such a bad tactic to use that. I reject Calvin? Oh so I reject the gospel because Calvin talked about the gospel? Stop that, it's bad enough that you are accusing me of lying but now you use such bad tactics to make it worse. I reject Calvin's interpretation of Sovereignty, Original sin, predestination and election, those doctrines that were later summarized by TULIP.
Praise God for your work brother. My hearts mourns for this doctrine being implanted in churches all over, including my own. Please post the next 4 parts you’ve got planned. I’d love to connect sometime and discuss, if given the opportunity, how to continue to go about bringing awareness to this to those around me. You and Leighton Flowers are lights in this. Lord bless!
Arminininism is the doctrine that was implanted into the churches after the early church and after Augustianism. The Roman Catholic Church and the spurious cults and offshoots of Weslyn man-centered theological systems are the intruder in todays American churches.
Thank you so much for clarifying the facts of Calvanism not being biblical. My husband & I became Christians me out of the Catholic Church he out of Lutheran church. We attended a little home country church that we were led to believe followed the Bible. The leader ran a mechanical business. After awhile I noticed words were being changed. World didn’t mean everyone all didn’t mean all. I started to point this out to my husband & he asked the leader who explained it as Biblical interpretation. My husband by then was convinced on what we now know as Calvanism. Our children were not allowed to sing Jesus loves me because God hates sinners. I was told I just have to accept Gods will & His choice of who he saves. It was deadening & depressing. I couldn’t read my Bible because verses jumped out at me confirming all this. Thank you for teaching the truth of scripture maybe I can start to read my Bible again!
At 20:58, regarding 2 Peter 2:1; in this passage, Peter isn't making a statement about the atonement. In this verse, he uses the Greek word δεσπότης (despot), translated as “Master,” and while this term is used in several places to refer to Jesus, in all of the nearly 30 times that this word is used (20 times in the Septuagint, and 10 times in the New Testament) it is never the word that is used to refer to Christ in a salvific sense as the Redeemer or the Mediator. In fact, it is never used as the redemptive title for anyone, even in Jude 4. Whenever Christ is referred to as Mediator in scripture, one of His redemptive titles is always used, titles such as the “Lamb of God,” or, the redemptive price is made explicit, or it is stated in the context. The word “despot” however is applied in scripture in order to emphasize some aspect of God outside of redemption, such as: o The sovereign master who has ultimate power over His slaves (Luke 2:29) o The creator of all that is (Acts 4:24) o The master of a household for whom the slaves work and owe their allegiance (2 Timothy 2:21) o The sovereign judge of all the world (Revelation 6:10). The word is also used elsewhere to speak specifically of the master-servant relationship in places like Titus 2:9 and 1 Peter 2:18. In 2 Peter 2:1, we see that the master bought slaves, and the slaves owed the master allegiance as their sovereign. Doctrinally, this analogy can be viewed as the responsibility for all mankind to submit to sovereign God as slaves, a notion which false teachers reject. He also uses the term αγοραζω, for “bought.” While this word is the standard word for “to buy,” “to redeem,” “to ransom,” used 31 times in the New Testament, in every instance where it is being used in a salvific sense, it is always listed along with the purchase price, such as “redeemed by the blood of Christ,” or the purchase price is made explicit in the immediate context that clearly restricts its use to believers only (cf. 1 Corinthians 6:20, 7:23, 1 Peter 1:18-19, and Revelation 5:9, 14:3-4), and in this instance at 2 Peter 2:1, we do not find that kind of explicit language; here the word might better be translated as “acquire,” or “obtain.” Furthermore, wherever this word is used, it is never used in a hypothetical sense (which would be necessary if Christ redeemed absolutely everyone, including the non-elect), but rather, it is always used where the buying or the acquiring actually took place. If this passage was speaking in a salvific sense, this would be the only instance in scripture where we do not find that kind of language. As a matter of fact, this word αγοραζω is used some 20 times in the Septuagint, but never once is it used to translate the two great Hebrew redemptive words “gāal” for “redeem,” or “pādāh” for “ransom,” or “purchase.” If 2 Peter 2:1 teaches that Christ died a substitutionary death for the false teachers, how is it that in verse 12 of the same chapter, these same individuals are described as “unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed,” who “were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation” (Jude 4). If this passage teaches that Christ redeemed those who were at the same time long beforehand marked out for condemnation, it turns God into a schizophrenic. In this passage, Peter is simply stating that Christ has absolute power and authority over all His creation including the false teachers because He is their creator. See Deuteronomy 32:5-6 for a parallel of this, where God is said to have acquired Israel as a covenant nation (bought her), though they rejected Him.
Respect, sir! Sounds like you just want to know the truth even if it might change what you currently believe. 👍🏼 Lord we just want to know your truth, please humble us and open our ears if this is what you want us to hear.
@@DOO718 Agreed and amen brother. To me the Bible is solely truth, with everything else secondary - my opinions, my hopes, Calvin, Arminius, confession and creeds - at best providing commentary and insight, valid only to the degree they are supported by scripture.
What I can never understand is why people don’t actually go to the source of Calvinism and find out who John Calvin was and what he actually believed in trust me you will be shocked not only with his life style but how he rejected many of the teachings of Christ John Calvin literally authorized beheadings, death by fire, torture, and murder rather than “instructing his opponents with gentleness.” John Calvin was the radical Islamic ISIS of his day, rather than having the mind of Christ. John Calvin’s theology is at the foundation of many Christian denominations and it is known as Calvinism. Calvin died believing these erroneous doctrinal positions and never repented for his gross sins, as he was in biblical ignorance that they were even sins at all. If this were anyone else would you even suggest that John Calvin was moved along by Holy Spirit in his interpreting of the Scriptures? - Matthew 7:21-23.
Have you read The Myth of Pelagianism by Dr Ali Bonner? I've listened to an interview with her and it was quite interesting. Pelagius wasnt even a Pelagian himself
Exactly! Augustine and his cronies attached 14 points to the made-up "heresy" they called "Pelagianism". Pelagius rejected 13 of the points outright and only half agreed with the 14th.
Calvinism is historic Christianity. It is all over the landscape. It isn't some aberrant theology. Many people in the past have believed it, treasured it. It is a system that allows God to receive the glory in salvation and none to man. Perhaps you were around hyper Calvinist or those who did not handle the doctrines well???
@@paulgarduno2867 Then, you are recovering from a God centered view of salvation to a more man centered view of salvation, in my opinion. Man always wants to take some fraction of God's glory in salvation and this "movement" away is what Rome did with the Catholic Church, it's what Finney did in the 2nd Great Awakening and the rise of the cults. History shows a fluctuating wave that goes from a God-centered soteriology to a more anthropocentric soteriology and a re-correction. I am happy to stay with God receiving all the glory in salvation. I want no credit. To God alone be the glory.
I dropped the ESV when I realized it was the Elect Sovereign Version. Once I became aware of the doctrines of Calvinism I started to see it in certain translations and especially in study Bible notes.
I only recently remembered that the ESV is actually a Calvinist translation. (I believe my brother had told me this years ago.) However, when I have read from it, I have not observed or recognized Reformed theology specifically. It has not influenced or changed my thinking. I do love the KJV, though, since I grew up using it and have memorized from it. 🙂
@@Elizabeth-lp2fk it's not all bad, there's just some theological presupposition in some passages. I use a KJV to preach from since it's the preferred translation at my church, but I prefer to prep and study using more modern translations.
Thank you brother for this presentation. I appreciate your humility and obvious love for the truth. I have heard other very convincing arguments against Calvinist, but the presenters sometimes don’t seem to be speaking the truth and love, so I’m reluctant to share it with Calvinist in my family. But I would feel very comfortable sharing this presentation with them as it addresses the scripture and is done in love. Thank you so much and God bless you.
100% AGREE! I have felt very comfortable actually sharing this my friends and family because of his godly approach. Truth WITHOUT love misses the mark in my opinion. But Jason does a wonderful job sharing Truth in LOVE! Praise the Lord.
Don't worry about sharing it. It's a terrible attempt, though somewhat charitable, at trying to disprove the doctrines of grace. There's nothing new and it's easily dismissed. His exegesis of 1 Cor and 2 Thes was pathetic.
@@toddcote4904I disagree. Check out his entire series. And invest time to see what the scholars from the other side say if you haven’t. Determine in your heart to understand where they are coming from with an open mind. And if you have done that.. kudos to you, my friend!! Much appreciated! That’s great! Many people just refuse to before commenting or sincerely trying to understand. Blessings my friend. Jason, I’ve shared this series with many more since this. It’s been a HUGE encouragement to soo many and myself. My friends have come back to me and commented how much they’ve appreciated your series and patience and kindness through this (my friends in Calvinist and non-Calvinist churches alike!) God bless you, Jason!
@@toddcote4904Too late, already passed it on. And I strongly disagree. The Calvinist stance while robust from many angles and on many points, falls apart when you dig into the details. I've been there and done that. I appreciate many people within Calvinism, but the theology is not durable enough when you dig in. Is this approach perfect? No. But in the substance it is strong enough for those who are looking as I was. I actively wanted it to be true ( long story) but it did not hold up at the core.
@mikeprice3884 Yeah, I've listened to many try and disprove calvinism and they all fail miserably. If you can link a good one, I'll listen to it, but I've really tried dozens and scores to no avail.
Was raised Trad-Roman Catholic then left that “church” for several reasons then as getting serious about the faith got led into Calvinism and after SERIOUSLY praying and studying scripture got out of it. Grace is grace or it ain’t. PRAISE THE LORD!! Look forward to seeing this. God bless y’all!! Hector F. López, Jr. Katy, Texas
@@annb9029 Am just a simple Bible believer now. I subscribe and adhere to a literal, grammatical, historical, contextual interpretation of scripture. Non-denominational. You? What’s your history?
God bless you on your faith Journey, most Rad Trads end up Eastrrn Orthodox , im Catholic Eastern Byzantine leaning but respect your. Journey God Bless
@@GoodBereanI despise Calvinism because they reduce God down to a self indulgent child arbitrarily designating which of his army men toys are good and which ones are bad then declaring himself glorious after melting the bad ones with a magnifying glass. This is NOT a deeper understanding of God, it's a very shallow understanding and reflects more on the type of person that finds this so called doctrine "comforting". How many people have gone to hell lost in their sins because the people telling them the gospel message were Calvinists, after all why would you bother to change your path in any way when you're told it doesn't matter what YOU as an individual thinks or does it's all a matter of God just" flipping a switch on" inside you. They paint a picture of God that's offering salvation to ALL but doesn't fulfill that promise and that's evil and cruel and that is the complete opposite of God. The Nazis led Jews into what they were told were showers but they got gassed to death instead, how exactly is that any different from the Calvinists view of God?????
@@GoodBereanfor some reason I can't comment, but I can reply to a comment.... Just fyi. But I wanted to just tell you you're doing Really Well and I'm excited to listen to you on a regular basis. A friend from Facebook sent me this link and I think you'll definitely be a new favorite teacher of mine lol. You're truly doing great man, thank you for your service. I Love you. You are seriously doing a really really great thing here. It might take a minute to gain subscribers etc, but I think it will start to snowball, and man I can see you getting a LOT of attention. God bless you profoundly, Brother. I appreciate you. I'm pretty stoked to be a new subscriber. Oh yeah, but I can't leave a comment. Not sure why.
@@coryc1904 I've had times when I couldn't leave a comment on certain videos. But it was just for a certain amount of time. Probably just some technical difficulty. Try again later.
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word. Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary. What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below. New Covenant Whole Gospel: Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him. He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth. Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD: Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis? Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart. Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36) We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24. 1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight. 1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment. 1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us. The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant. Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more. Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost. Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you. Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost. 1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him. Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Loved it!!! Just finished it. Looking forward to the next one from you. I most especially loved how gracious and loving you said things and how sincere you are. Regardless of what we believe on this issue, we must remember that a marker of a true Christian is one that shows love to other believers in the way they speak and act towards each other. Thank you for your example, Jason!! “By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” John 13:35 Got another subscriber!
48:00 Excellent video... This points out the inherent problem with debate in general. The desire to 'win' too often overrides the desire to speak truth. Augustine obviously desired to win. His rhetorical skill and pride got the best of him. This is illustrated by his willingness to recant 20yrs of his 'freewill' anti-gnostic teaching and dust of his old Manichean notes and go for the 'win' after accepting Pelagius' 'red herring' about his faith=works.
Jason, I think you did a wonderful job using grace towards our brothers and sisters on the reformed side of Calvinism. You gave a lot food for thought. It certainly is not a dividing issue and you presented your arguments well. I look forward to the rest of the conversation. I agreed with the evangelism, it’s something that I see as well. Also as an outreach ministry I feel like the people we minister too would not fit in many of the reformed churches because they need a lot of healing and come from hard places. However it’s hard to find solid biblical exposition churches who lift up Christ and His word that are not reformed. I love my reformed brothers/sisters and my Arminian orthodox ones too. We are all seeking truth in His word and need to unite on the essentials. Show each other grace on the very important yet non-essentials such as what you are discussing!!! Covering you in prayers my friend! Persecution will come to those standing on biblical truth. ❤
Hi there you said that it was hard to find solid exposition churches that are not reformed… I would recommend Calvary chapel churches. They go verse by verse through the scriptures and are very orthodox. I think some might have some calvinistic leanings but they definitely are not full on Calvinist by any means
And yet the Reformers DID divide from the church at Rome - except where it suited them not to. Calvin used the inquisitors when it suited him against those who apposed him. He was deemed the Pope of Geneva... Galatians 1:8-9 (KJV) 8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. There is only ONE GOSPEL of peace - which Calvinists say is only for "some" - that is "another gospel".
@@robinq5511 Not sure why you are replying to my comment? Nothing you said has anything to do with my comment to Jason! God Bless you! No perfect man or woman, no perfect theology, yet we can be united in Christ on the essentials of our faith. We can all find problems with one another. Calvin is no exception. I believe he is in Glory. God Bless!
@bethelchurchministry I responded to your post because you mentioned non-essentials over which we ought not divide. But TULIP theology is divisive especially when they are evangelizing others who also twist scripture or add to it. Other than that, I see when standing on biblical truth it should actually BE true. Blessings.
LOVE THE VIDEO. Your understanding and explanation of Calvinist/Reformed theology should be sufficient to preclude other Calvinists from accusing you of 'not understanding Calvinism'.. but I'm willing to bet it will not.😊 Calvinists are not monolithic in all their beliefs with the possible exception that no one really leaves or rejects Calvinism because the DO understand it. I Really appreciate your spirit and I want to encourage you all that I can to continue ringing the bell and sounding the alarm, it is a dangerous theology with terrible implications against God which causes Calvinists to defend God form the claims of their own system. That said, I do not accept that this 'issue' of Calvinism is "not a primary issue" to a body of believers. I cannot see how the claim that God determined to only save a few while intentionally withholding even the ability or opportunity to be saved from all others, also created in his own image, and then punishes them eternally for doing what he decreed and that which they could not avoid in some vain attempt to show himself 'more glorious'. this cannot be a "non-essential" idea to Christianity in my view. It is a direct attack levied by John Calvin and 'Reformed' Calvinist theology at the very nature and character of our Heavenly Father. Aside from insulting the senses and conscience which God bestowed in mankind, it categorically denies the description Paul gives of him as being the very personification of "Love" (noun) in 1Cor 13.
Out of curiosity, I hear a lot about God’s eternal decrees, but very little evidence to suggest that this exists. Would you (and if you decline, no worries) please help me understand how Calvinists came to the conclusion that all of God’s decrees are eternal, and unchanging?
@@coreyc3093 IMO, the short answer is 'they made it up'. Everything in Calvinism flows from the false premise that all men are "born" unable to respond positively to God apart from God's intervention... beyond man hearing of the Gospel of Christ... which they are supposedly "born" unable to believe. This is in spite of the fact that John says he writes these thing 'so that' you might believe and in believing be saved. After accepting Pelagius' 'red herring' that his faith was a work... Augustine set about to invent a way, and reason, by which men must be saved without and before they can believe anything. Which is the cart before the horse and the opposite of all scripture about salvation. In truth, there is no verse or passage in proper context to ever establish Total Depravity=Total Inability to be true. But is it the foundation of their doctrine none the less. And every part of TULIP evolved in the process of attempting to answer the questions which only occur because of their successive false premises. In scripture, God does declare things. But it is a logically fallacy to try and assert that because God decrees 'A' thing.... it is proof he decrees 'All' things. The few verses which consider God talking about things which he decrees refer to decisions he has made and things which he promises to bring to pass. Many of them are actually stated as being 'conditional' on mans actions. None of them ever establish God is meticulously controlling all things at all times. It is not a question of whether or not he could... it's just never established that is what he does. But, accepting the implications of Calvinism's false premises require them to contend that is what is happening. Theistic Determinism is essentially a core Calvinist belief. But if God has decreed them to believe Calvinism is true, and decreed another to believe it is not and decreed that each should contend with one another about it.. in history this has ended in violent death... God is playing checkers with himself, and to what possible end other than whatever else he has already decreed?🤔 Regarding the decrees of God, I certainly no expert. But this quote from The Westminster Confession of Faith 1648 is the fundamental guiding work for Calvinism and the basis for their claim today as I understand it. "CHAPTER III Of God’s Eternal Decree; I. God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass: yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency of second causes taken away, but rather established." As a point of fact, no amount of explanation beyond the phrase "whatsoever comes to pass" can be considered logically necessary. Yet, they go on ad nauseum in a failed attempt to exonerate God from the unavoidable claims of their doctrine in that he is meticulously causing all abortions, and Jeffrey Dahmer's appetite. While ignoring the blatant fact that having said God ordains "whatsoever comes to pass" already covers it.
I have looked at scripture with the lenses on and it still didn't make sense to me. Thank you so much for finally making the truth so clear and understandable
I wanted to just tell you you're doing Really Well and I'm excited to listen to you on a regular basis. A friend from Facebook sent me this link and I think you'll definitely be a new favorite teacher of mine lol. You're truly doing great man, thank you for your service. I Love you. You are seriously doing a really really great thing here. It might take a minute to gain subscribers etc, but I think it will start to snowball, and man I can see you getting a LOT of attention. God bless you profoundly, Brother. I appreciate you. I'm pretty stoked to be a new subscriber
I understand exactly what you’re feeling man it had caused me a lot of issues myself working out of it all currently now I do have some channel recommendations if you wanted to hear some people speaking on the other side that are not Calvinistic any more explaining why they no longer hold of Calvinism. Idle killer, Soteriology101, beyond the fundamentals(not sure if he was ever calvanist)
The teaching of the Reformation has been a great blessing to me. I was lost but Jesus found His lost Sheep and brought me home. It was by grace and grace alone. If I lose all and I mean ALL, I still have everything. Because Jesus is my everything, my life and my ALL.
@@MariusVanWoerden this is one case I’m happy you feel that way but the system has flaws and if you follow the system out no one truly can know they are saved
@@brandonmack6827 Don't belief that lie Our church is filled with true believers saved by Grace. Jesus says Unless you are BORNE AGAIN you cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven. It is God’s Al wise Plan, that will be revealed when God Create the New Heaven and The New earth. NEVER LOST IS NEVER SAVED. Christ Our Lord did not come for Choosers He came to save those who were Lost. We need to BE !! born again that is not a decision, it is the very begin of being Saved, and the working of the Holy Spirit. I did not seek the Lord But Jesus found His lost Sheep and brought me home. I live in Ontario Canada. I’m have been a potter all my life. th-cam.com/video/owz9EsUknBA/w-d-xo.html but since my 16th I have studied nothing but the Bible, Theology and church history every day. When I was about 16 I was very affright to die being not saved. As the Scripture says no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again. It was because I went with my dad to a funeral of an uncle. There was an open Casket When I saw my uncle in the casket my whole body started shaking. And fear came over me. I said to myself it could be me tomorrow but even if I lived 100 yr. I have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ and I will be condemned forever. In the next week, I went to a weekday church service. The sermon was: From Hebrews 9: 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. I started to read the Bible every day, study it and go to church during the week and twice on Sundays as much as I could. I tried to be better but after a year I felt more sinful and instead of better, worst. One night I could not sleep and I felt depressed I started to cry out to the Lord and said: “Lord God I deserve Hell but I cannot for eternity be separated from You.” I saw that one who dies without Christ will instantly be separated from our Creator. Even the atheist and Jews are held up by the God they do not believe in. That is why Christ at the Cross cried out: “My God My God Why have you forsaken me” That we would never be FORSAKEN from our Lord God. It was the deepest point of His suffering Then these words came in my heart: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.” I saw that God The Father was well pleased with Jesus when He died at the cross and gave His Blood for many. I said Lord God If you are pleased with that scarifies at the Cross why Would I not be pleased with it. I saw that Christ was nailed to the Cross for my sins. Looking to Christ alone and not my righteousness. At that moment peace came into my heart. Peace With God that no one can understand except only through the Holy Spirit, I felt that the Blood of Christ had washed my sins away. I felt as if I was walking in Paradise without Sin. I was 17 at that time It took the week after to completely comprehend what had happened. It’s all by Grace Just the Blood of Christ and nothing of me at all. If I lose all I have on earth I still have Everything, because Jesus is my all my life and my everything. Those that were Never lost were never saved. Jesus did not come for choosers but for Loosers Mark 8:35 For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it. I know My Lord God hears our prayers I have 12 children from one marriage, one of them my daughter is in Heaven, and now also 30 grandchildren. The Lord has been good to me always. I have seen God's hand in my life so often but mostly when I went through a deep valley. I had no income whatsoever for 2 years with 11 small children. However every day we had everything we needed. I told no one but the Lord. My Lord took care of all my needs every day. It was the best time of my life. I have seen so many miracles happen before my own eyes. After 2 years we had an income again. My wife said: “one thing of all we sold I miss, that is the antique clock.” The clock had a special sentimental value for us. I said: “let me see if I can buy one the same.” Yeah, she said: “but it will never be the same.” I went to the store but there was no Clock even not one that looked like it. So I asked the owner if he still knew me. Yes, he said. So I asked if he ever get a clock the same as I sold him. To my surprise, he answered: “It is at my house, My wife took it home after you brought it in.” I did get it back for the same money as I got for it. The Lord knew that my wife would miss it and kept it for us. I would not have traded this for all the riches in the world. I saw my Lord God’s Hand in my life. I have NO fear of dead IT IS ONLY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT that we can understand that God the Creator of all things Sent His Only Begotten Son for us to die at the cross for our sins, and come to know the forgiveness of sins for all those who put their faith and trust in Him. I feel so sad for people who have no understanding, of the true origin of life. or who live as if our own act or the law saves. My grandfather translated works of the Scottish Puritans into Dutch so we had lots of books at our home.
@@Migler1 I have personally witnessed a level of arrogance and self righteousness from leaders and teachers in my trip through Calvinism that I've not seen in any other Christian tradition. I too spent 10+ years drinking the 'Calvinist' kool-aid. I thank God that I am no longer in that camp.
@@DrgnSlyrthey really do try to make themselves like they know everything and everyone else that’s trying to understand scripture knows nothing and they push a narrative on you like you’re trying to earn some credit for your salvation instead of what you really believe that God gets all the credit but they try to put words in your mouth that you never said. They try so hard to make you look dumb when in fact they are the ones that can’t get John 3:16 right they somehow think the world doesn’t literally mean the world in that verse, that it only means the elect. Funny how if it meant the elect how it definitely would say the elect instead of the world
@@jnau8196it seems like it once you start having a conversation about theology with one of them. They get unnecessarily angry too and try to make you look like a fool
Big OOPS there. If a Calvinist suggests that one is not saved if they do not believe the doctrines of Calvinism, then they have just introduced a work into one's salvation, and have hence contradicted their own doctrine. So if Calvinists are honest, then they must accept all actions of all persons as predestined by God, including yours as you point out. Nicely done, thanks, this has given me even more to think about.
DW: Yes! Excellent point! As a matter of fact - there is a form of "works-salvation" inherent within the doctrine which was identified by Dr. Eric Fromm in his book "Escape from Freedom". The doctrine gives the Calvinist NO CERTAINTY of salvation. And that can become an internal emotional burden which is almost unbearable. It is experienced as a form of pain. In order to evade that UNCERTAINTY the Calvinist will defer to "works" - which are in many cases "works" designed to defend the doctrine. "works" in Calvinism - serve as *INDICATORS* of the divine will for the individual - and thus serve as *INDICATORS* for the person's eternal destiny. It is a "fear-based" form of "works". But it is "Works" salvation never the less. An example of it - is the testimony of R.C. Sproul as a young man - in which he tries to pump up the believer with manufactured forms of assurance. But as R.C. Sproul approaches the end of his life - he starts to acknowledge his UNCERTAINTY of about his election. That is a very common pathway for all Calvinists.
My answer to a Calvinist pastor why i stopped attending the Reformed church conference,I said to him,"maybe I am not predestined to accept the teaching of the reformed church.
I am reformed, but this was a great video. I will watch the rest! Just an observation --- I grew up an Arminian, and nearly 10 years ago. I think one of the problems is that when people begin subscribing to a certain viewpoint early on, they are more likely to change their minds if the view they had was the only one they knew. I've seen this on both sides. I've seen many people who grew up non-reformed turn to reformed theology. These people are less likely to go back to their original viewpoint because they feel that they are more "experienced" and made a good decision to leave it. It is almost a form of stubbornness. The same goes with ex-calvinists.... They refuse to ever go back because of their personal experience. You would also have to admit that you were wrong twice. I think it is very important for both sides to earnestly spend more time in prayer and study while always having a high view of scripture. Be as consistent as possible and pray that God removes any personal bias in favor of the truth. EDIT - I do you suggest reading some more works on reformed theology to better represent our side's position.
Could you give examples of things you think he got wrong? Also could you admit that Calvinists aren’t a monolith and there isn’t “one side” to Calvinist theology?
I am happy for you. I started kicking against calvanism blasphemy as I studied scriptures more due to my influence by Charlse Spurgeon. Reformed Calvinism is simply reviving gnosticism and Manichaeism. I would not stop till I see Calvinism wiped from the face of the earth. It has destroyed many lives
I know personally that John MacArthur was VERY solid in the seventies when I became acquainted with his radio program (I may be been blind) ..... however, when I began to be exposed to him over the last ten years, his teaching had changed horribly. At the time, I didn't understand, but once it was revealed to me the realities of calvinism and I was beginning to meet calvinists up close and personally ... and the explosion of modern versions (and encouragement from the pulpit for the practice) ... I think I have finally got a handle on the damage and danger of calvinism. This has been a most welcome message and teaching. Praise the Lord! Hallelujah! Amen!
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Romans 3:10-11)
Which must be read in context, naturally. In Acts, Luke declares Cornelius a 'righteous' man. Hebrews 11 tells us of many righteous people in the Old Testament. So, since scripture cannot contradict, Romans 3 needs to be looked at very closely for further understanding. :)
ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL BREAKDOWN. I’ve needed this for so long to explain something that I knew was true but hadn’t researched enough to explain to others myself. I just knew in my spirit Calvinism wasn’t right but I didn’t know enough to explain myself to others. Thanks so much🙏. This is of so much value - thank you for you doing this!
From an orthodox christian, thank you for this video! I really sat through the whole thing and took notes on it. Former self described Reformed Christian, presently in the kingdom of God in the Whole and Complete (Catholic) Apostolic Church -- this is really helping me recall some of the driving biblical factors in my conversion, and I am having some weekly conversations with Calvinists now and ummmm need to sharpen up again on some of this lol ... Saint Paul does a great job giving an account of the orthodox opinion on sin, death, and corruption as an effect of Adam's transgression (original sin). I had my NT open for this also even and I opened up to the Romans 3:23 passage and it also seems, perhaps unjustified to read this as meaning every single individual is sinful and will necessarily sin, but it seems rather to be written in defense of being justified through faith and not through the law, just as he previously warned "both jews and greeks that they are all under sin. As it is written, there is no one righteous; no, not one..." And so just as all are under sin, all are become the righteousness of God through the faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.: "There is no distinction". St Paul does not seem to be making a statement of the individual activities of every one forever, such that some one couldn't possibly *not sin*, but that all are, both Jew and Greek, all are under sin, the wages of which are death for fear of which humans sin; and so on account of death since the first transgression sin reigned over men, and this would be true even if one did walk in righteousness and not commit sin .... But we who are baptized into Christ have put on Christ as the new man, and as we died with him in the washing of our regeneration so have we been raised with him unto life in his spirit (and not the old body of death) as heirs of God; whose perfect love casts out fear (and so is received the remission of sins).
@@chaddonal4331 It may be surprising ... but we consider saint Paul to be correct in his theology. What he presents in his teaching in his epistles is also what we have received as the apostolic teaching. Whether Saint Paul presents what is orthodox, or whether the orthodox present what is taught by saint Paul, it makes no difference. Saint Paul wasn't the only apostle and his conclusions are drawn from a thorough understanding of the other scriptures which preceded him.
Only listened for a minute so far but got me curious if you do counseling for people coming out of calvinism? I am 20 years in and hubby is deacon in pca. We used to be in opc. Husband is still very much calvinist to the core and has no interest to learn anything otherwise nor the free time that I have to explore other things.
@@moriyah7758 thanks for the comment. Hopefully this video is helpful: Help! My Spouse is a Calvinist th-cam.com/video/eILFJlSoYaM/w-d-xo.html I would be open to talking with your husband if he would be willing to
@@GoodBereanthank you for sharing. I just found your page and I’m working through the videos. I felt in my spirit that something was off with my husband’s church but I couldn’t put my finger on it. Thanks for being obedient to the Lord. It’s a lot to grasp but it explains a lot.
Some good thoughts you have put here. I have been trying to understand why one denies free will, something very unsettling about calvinism. I will keep searching for the truth in scriptures.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It's not our will It's Gods will. Romans 3:11 (KJV) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. These are good reasons why men have nothing to do with choosing God.
@@eddyrobichaud5832 Amen brother John six is correct. However, the father draws ALL men. God says He sent His son for all to be saved. We CANNOT come without a work of the spirit; HOWEVER, every single man is given this work of the spirit and He can either accept or reject it. As for romans 3, once again very correct. Question, would you say that Paul sought God? Well of course paul and the apostles sought God, and so did David. God called David a man after His own heart. So what could paul be saying in this verse? You can take three views; either paul is being hyperbolic, or Paul is saying that unbelievers do not seek God; or paul IS saying that noone in their sinful state accepts God; but that does not mean that God cannot draw that person too Him and give that man the opportunity to turn. So none of these verses prove your theology; and I think it's dangerous to attempt to confuse this sister on the grace of God and His character; as it has lead to countless deconversions of Christians who view God as a cosmic evil; decreetive of all evil.
I was somewhat taken aback at Romans 12:3 recently, which says that God gives 'a measure of faith to people'. I had considered faith to be largely within of our own agency. Any ideas here?
Hey Jason! Your video was shared with me and I just finished watching this part 1. I’m encouraged to see you studying scripture deeply and wrestling with these big doctrines! Our understanding of scripture and walk with Christ truly unfolds over a lifetime. I’m interested to hear what you have to say and I look forward to watching the other 4 parts. It’s a brave thing to put yourself “in the arena” of TH-cam theology debates! Haha. I’m glad that you see this as a healthy debate with brothers in Christ. Men who have poured out their lives to study the scriptures as you are striving to do. Albeit reaching different convictions.
I’m curious what ur thoughts are on NASB and LSB since they have a closer “word for word” interpretation of gods word. It sounds like Calvinism has a case if these two translations have a good reputation.
I am not sure which translation has not been affected. Seems like each translation has at least some Calvinist on the committee. I use the NKJV and KJV the most.
thank you for making this video. I was a Calvinist in my Undergraduate program, and then after having a long inner conflict and many hours of reading Romans and other texts, I eventually was able to read these texts without a Calvinist lens anymore. Not that I despise Calvinism, but I certainly did have a lens by which I read these texts. And im so thankful I have bifocal vision when reading these texts now. I can see both sides. So I ended up not being a Calvinist anymore because the certainty I thought I had was no longer so certain.
Im so thankful to be more Gospel centered now. I can link arms with my Calvinist brothers and we can preach the gospel together even though we disagree.
Thank you for all your Biblical texts! I've been creating a spreadsheet of proof texts that help me sort categories of subjects. I left Calvinism that I was raised in after 30 years, and I appreciate you and your teachings! May God continue to bless you and your work ❤
There’s some delightful Christians within Calvinism, but I believe they stay because they haven’t yet fully explored what it actually teaches. I hope and pray that more people carefully compare this doctrine to scripture and find freedom in Christ 🙏🕊️
Something I learned from Frank Turek was….NEVER read a Bible verse. Why? The Bible wasn’t written in verses, verses were added later to help us navigate the scriptures. We must read passages as a whole, just as they were written as a whole point altogether, hence context is so important.
Very insightful... I used to be Dutch Reformed, the oldest denomination in America. I never looked back since I left 🥳🥳🥳 The only problem with this video is the annoying background music. Would those who like background music not be able to listen if there's no background music? If they are able to listen without background music, I can't see why presentations can't be done without music.
Thanks for your deep dive into this very important subject!!! And Thank God for Dr. Leighton Flowers’ TH-cam channel, Soteriology101, and my deep dive into the various bible translations. Your video affirms what I have studied and learned. Thank God also for my godly parents, who were both Sunday School teachers and studied the Word of God with me when I was growing up. They taught me to be a good Berean.
If you don't believe in Calvinism it simply means that you don't fully understand Calvinism. Not even Paul who was a well educated Theologian came to the knowledge of Christ through his own intellect or self reasoning. He needed a miraculous encounter with Jesus on the Demascus Road who transformed him instantly. John 3:3 AMP [3] Jesus answered him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless a person is born again [reborn from above-spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified], he cannot [ever] see and experience the kingdom of God.” You can't even see the Kingdom let alone enter it UNLESS you are first born from above. Regeneration first. Don't fool yourself, you living in a dream world if you believe you can enter the Kingdom through your intellect.
@@jordandthornburgthat’s what Calvinist tell people, “you’re with us or you’re an arminian man centered theology semi-Pelagian.” I looked into Lutheranism and it seems the most biblical.
@@Solideogloria00 Lutheranism is Calvinism lite and is just even more inconsistent Calvinism. I recommend ditching the whole TULIP system. That is much closer to the biblical message.
@@Solideogloria00Yes, I have observed those in Calvinism/Reformed theology divide believers and label them, many times inaccurately. That is like saying, "If it's not a dog, it must be a cat." This is presupposing that there are only 2 options. I am neither Calvinist nor Arminian. I believe that Jesus died for ALL, that man has a free will, but I also hold to eternal security. 😉 I'd probably be in line with provisionist views (Leighton Flowers).
I listened to the audio Bible. It takes about 80 hours. Listen to it start to finish. It's an amazing journey. If you do this and then think God is a Calvinist you are out of your mind.
Great and reasonable video. Here is an excerpt from Tom Hicks of Founders Ministries. What do you think of that? "Under the guise of upholding Sola Scriptura, many Christians today seek to read the Bible independently and come to their own private conclusions about what it means without consulting the church’s authorized teachers or the orthodox confessions of faith. But that’s not what Sola Scriptura historically meant. Scripture teaches that the church is the “pillar and support of the truth” (1 Tim 3:15). The church as a whole is charged with interpreting the Bible, and God has authorized teachers in the church throughout history. Therefore, while every individual Christian is responsible to understand Scripture for himself, no Christian should study the Bible without any consideration of what the great teachers of the past have taught about the Bible."
Thank you so much for this video. I have listened to so many former calvinists, but never heard clearly that total depravity is really the "first domino" on which the rest of the doctrine depends. This is very helpful for speaking with our calvinist brothers and sisters.
@sweethometreasures, Definitely there are some people that are totally depraved and cannot be saved and Christ did no die for them, they are what the bible called reprobates.. Jesus gave His Life only for the Elect...God indeed predestined all the elect to be saved even before they are born and predestined all the reprobates for damnation even before they are born.. That is what Jesus revealed in the Parable of Wheat and Tares.. Example of those predestined to be saved can be found in Acts 13:48 NLT which says: "When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers." Note: This Gentiles who heard the gospel for the first time were already chosen for eternal life, even before they hear the gospel and believed.. Example of those predestined for damnation can be found in John 8:44-45 where Jesus said: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. 45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."
We should distinguish between it being of primary importance while also acknowledging some self professed Calvinists can be saved. Both can be true. I view Calvinism itself as a fundamentally different religion though.
DW: I think you will eventually find - Calvinism's TULIP was created by Calvinists as a strategy to obfuscate the TRUE underlying doctrine. The "T" in Calvinism's TULIP for example - functions as a lie of omission. A lie of omission is communication designed to mislead - by strategically obfuscating critical facts which if not obfuscated would not mislead. The critical fact which the "T" strategically attempts to obfuscate - is the fact that per the doctrine - the state of every man's nature - at every nano-second in time - is 100% meticulously predestined - and at every nano-second in time - cannot possibly be other than what it was decreed to infallibly be. The "T" in the TULIP is designed to FALSELY attribute man's nature and thus man's eternal destiny to his condition. When the TRUTH is - both man's nature - at every nano-second in time - as well as his eternal destiny are fixed by infallible decree before man is created. The key to understanding Calvinism - is to learn to see how the TULIP and other Calvinist strategies are designed to obfuscate the underlying doctrine - and to paint FALSE PICTURES which are designed to make Calvinism acceptable.
Calvinists are themselves uncomfortable with their own doctrine - because the doctrine entails a "good-evil" DUALISM Where good and evil are "Co-Equal", "Co-Complimentary", and "Co-Necessary". Calvinists call the doctrine - a doctrine of "grace" as a way to obfuscate the "evil" side of the doctrine. It is actually a doctrine of "Good-Evil" But they are uncomfortable with the "Evil" aspect of the doctrine So they quite naturally obfuscate it. But it is plainly the case that it is a DUALISTIC doctrine of "Good-Evil" And that is why - so many things within Calvinism - appear in the form of "Antithetical" (Good-Evil) pairs. Calvin's god has DUALISTIC wills. He has an ENUNCIATED will - and an SECRET will which is in most cases the opposite of his ENUNCIATED will When the two wills are in opposition to each other - the ENUNCIATED will functions as a FALSE REPRESENTATION of the SECRET will. Calvin's god desires "ALL" men saved Calvin's god desires "ALL" men damned Calvin's god has a primary provision for mankind - which is to creat them for damnation for his good pleasure Calvin's god has a secondary provision for mankind - which is to save a few from his primary provision. These - and many more - are examples - of the DUALISTIC nature of the doctrine.
Calvinists theologians have made Calvinism unfalsifiable and, therefore, unable to be tested to see if it is of God: 2 types of God's Will: Will of decree vs Permissive Will 2 types of God's love: General Love vs. Salvific Love 2 types of faith in God: Non-salvific Faith vs. Salvific Faith 2 types of God's calling: General Call vs. Effectual Call 2 types of death & resurrection: Non-atoning sacrifice for the Reprobate vs. Atoning sacrifice for the elect. 2 types of God's grace: General Grace vs. Irresistible Grace Their implications generate a false god who commands obedience, but has SECRETELY decreed DISOBEDIENCE, for the GOOD PLEASURE of His Will to glorify Himself.
I enjoyed this video very much. I just stepped down as a PCA elder for this very reason. It's been difficult but necessary. BTW - I tried going to the webiste listed in the "about" section of your YT page but it won't open?
Hey brother, thanks for sharing…I will be praying for your transition. The website link is an automated copy and paste that directs to a website no longer in use. I need to update the auto add and remove that link.
Have you read the foundation of Augustinian Calvinism by Dr. Ken Wilson? Never mind. I got to the part in the video where you showed the book. It’s very good.
Asserting TULIP causes a disparity between Paul and Christ in Romans 9:1-3. Dropping TULIP causes this disparity to disappear. The only other option is to do what most calvinsits do, which is to downplay the significance of the disparity and rationalize why it's ok for Paul's Holy Spirit inspired words to be incongruent with the love of Christ.
I have to disagree with you on one of the first things you said - that this isn't a primary issue. I think it absolutely is, it hits right at the heart of what the gospel even *is* and thereby also says something about who Jesus Christ is and what he did. And the version of Jesus' work & the Gospel that Calvinism teaches is completely wrong, it's a different gospel - and honestly isn't even a gospel at all, because there is no good news in Calvinism, for anyone. Even the elect, the only "good news" is that they're elect. There is no good news in reference to the death and resurrection of Jesus, because it doesn't really change anything about the status of the elect or non-elect in Calvinism, because they were already elect before the foundation of the world - their salvation was supposedly secured outside of Christ, if you think about it. How does that fit with the gospel, then? It doesn't. And for any given lost person, the death & resurrection of Jesus isn't good news for them if they're not elect, it's really bad news or no news, because they're without hope regardless. And it's not good news for an elect person either, because they're elect regardless as well. Nothing has any effect on that. It's a different gospel too, than "Christ tasted death for every man," "for God so loved the world," and "the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ according to the scriptures," because their version differs from the scriptures. It's not the gospel - but claims to be - so, it is 100% a primary issue and doesn't get much more primary than this.
Friend, around 23:00 you say “why does God talk to Cain as if he could rule over his sin if he could not actually rule over his sin?” Do you mean to say that with enough willpower, that Cain could live a sinlessly perfect life? For the Lazarus problem, what do you think about the Valley of Dry bones? Did the bones speak to themselves to get up? Or did God speak?
Thanks for the question and seeking clarification. I see God giving Cain an opportunity to choose to do what is righteous. Not that Cain has any righteousness within himself that he can muster up himself… but that Cain could choose to respond positively to the righteous One (that being God) and obey God. 1 Sam 15:22 says obedience is better than sacrifice. The emphasis is we can choose to walk in obedience. This does not make anyone righteous in the sense that we are now put in a right position with God. We are sinful, miss the mark, and fall short all the time…needing His grace. But just as Abraham believed (he trusted) in the words of God and trusted in God, and his faith was credited to him as righteousness because he was placing his trust and faith in the One who is righteous. When Jesus came He says in John 14:1 “you believe in God believe also in Me.” Ability to walk in obedience, and trust in the Lord, is not only given to the elect. In His mercy He gives that ability for all…sadly, though most suppress the truth in unrighteousness. I could say more. But don’t have the time to right now. I’ll have to address your Lazarus point later also. My apologies.
Pelagius was not Pelagian. Augustine trumped up charges against him, but he was found to not be guilty of heresy twice. Dr Ali Bonner wrote a book about this.
Hi, your video appeared at the top of my TH-cam page and I am very glad that it did. I've been watching a lot of videos refuting Calvinism. This video is helping to put more pieces together. It is academic content presented in a non-academic way. *Thank you.* I also like the gentle way you do it. Unfortunately there are some good presentations done by people who are a bit aggressive-sounding, which may just be due to their frustration about the way Calvinism has become so prevalent.
If you’re interested in having a copy of the slides, here is a download link:
No Longer Calvinist Part 1: www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/tcmam5dzjr0pyvuygi7d6/Calvinist-No-Longer-Part-1.pdf?rlkey=d5ew72dn9douxmnx6nldr8z92&dl=0
Thank you for making these slides available. God bless you!
Thank you for sharing your journey and knowledge that's led you to no longer believing in Calvinism. Very helpful info. I took a bunch of screenshots, thanks for sharing your slides!
Calvanists take the bible with preconceived beliefs rather than from what the Bible says in context. I was Calvanist for a couple years too. It's was such a bad detriment to my heart and soul. Calvanists are not honest with themselves. Take hebrews when it says if you've willingly sinned there is no more sacrifice. The truth is that it's talking to hebrews in the tribulation but calvanists teach it as unpardonable sins. Complete lies. We all sin willingly all the time. They are not honest with their own condition. God will forgive all those who come to him. So much bondage that is moreso catholic based and as you said all the other bible translations are at fault. Although I think the nkjv is also faulted too and not the same as the authorized kjv. I believe the bible is specific in its words and the 2 are different
The beginning of your video is already biased, you begin to softly attack all of the people who believe(d) in the sovereignty of God, listing all of the translations of scripture, you do not start by what you said your purpose was which is to tell us what you have learned - 15 minutes in and you are still attacking Christian beliefs.
16:23 and you are still talking about calvinists 💔
I went headlong into studying the Calvinistic doctrines and found that the doctrine of "predestination" was never about being predestined to "salvation" but those IN CHRIST are predestined to "adoption" or "glorification". Big different. Calvinists conflate these texts to their detriment, because they change the heart of God by doing this.
Actually. Paul says those whom He predestined he...JUSTIFIED!!!! You error in not understanding Paul. You are inserting the idea that predestination follows after one becomes in Christ. You are making salvation ultimately in the hands of humans. smh.
@@SugoiEnglish1 No, I am not reading into anything. Note id doesn't say, those whom God predistined, those He also "saved".
It's pretty clear the one who is presupposing is the Calivinst. Calvinists like to say what you just said, "You are making salvation ultimately in the hands of humans. smh."
That just shows 1 of 2 things.
1. You are ignorant of what provisionists, or what I like to call normal Christians, believe, or...
2. You just willingly misrepresent what we believe.
No Christian thinks salvation is ini our hand. God did ALL the work. However, "faith" is not a work. Everyone has been given faith. Some CHOOSE not to put that faith in the creator, others do. It doesn't mean those who are saved are any "better" than those who didn't. God did all the work, but it REQUIRES our belief.
I just skip all the philisophical dung heap of Calvinism and take it to its logical end; which makes GOD the author os sin. THAT is not biblical. Why can I take this to the logical end? I'll tell you.
IF God, controls every thought, deed and action in time, then that byh default MAKES us sin, which makes Him the orignator of that sin. That is blasphemous.
Why can't you see that?
Romans 8:29-30: "29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also GLORIFIED."
So does God glorify people who have not accepted the gospel?
Why reject something like that ?
@@JESUS_Saves3747 Did I say people are glorified who reject the gospel? Were you talking to me?
@@SugoiEnglish1 I just read the very end of your comment. You say that I am leavin salvaiton ulitmately in the hands of humans. They you wnat to shake your head at me?
How ridiculous. Do all Calivinsts just put words in othe rpeople's mouths? God took care of salvation for ALL who will believe. Humans can't do a damn thing for salvation. Unless you teach that faith is also a work, but that would be quite stupid to say that, since Paul contrasts the two repeatedly.
I left Calvinism last year after about 15 years of being a Calvinist. Just starting your video, but looking forward to it. I wonder what our journeys will have in common.
Praise the Lord, Dan!
Wow!!! Congratulations!!
I'm really glad to hear this. ☺️
What is your story?
@@ivylagrone8632 long story short. I ended up down a massive reconstruction path of my theology after learning some things. I began seeing the problems with God being the author of evil under Calvinism, and determinism being incompatible with who God is. They can argue for compatibilism, but it's still just determinism. I also came to an understanding that the doctrine of original sin and guilt being passed on to us wasn't the best explanation imo, understanding that we're not actually unable to repent and believe as humans, that faith is not a work that would merit salvation in some sort of synergistic model. There are other things as well, but those are the biggies.
@@danb151 That's great. Thanks for replying. I'm always curious about people's journeys. It sounds to me like you just wanted to know the truth all along. :)
For 2 years I felt like I was slowly being indoctrinated into hypercalvinism. I'm glad that now I'm slowly leaving calvinism behind.
Why slowly? Haha
I am sorry that you are… if you see my comments you will start seeing some strong fallacies on the video.
@@2minTheology
Fallacies?
Gods Word spoken clearly and succinctly and rightly divided.
Like other Calvinist I am sure you isolate scriptures then quickly arrive at conclusions ignoring the dozens of scriptures that say otherwise.
Simply put Calvinism is a Christian Sect like the Mormons and Jehovahs Witness.
For example.. thousands upon thousands of people follow Jesus, pray to the Father in Jesus name. Get born again from the conviction of the Holy Spirit.
John 16:8-11 NKJV
And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] of sin, because they do not believe in Me; [10] of righteousness, because I go to My Father and you see Me no more; [11] of judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.
Pray the prayer of Roman’s 10.
Romans 10:9-11 NKJV
that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. [11] For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame."
And you believe none of it. Why? You’ve believed a lie..
You hyper focus on Rom 9:18 and disregard the answer in Psalms 118
Psalm 118:4-6 NKJV
Let those who fear the LORD now say, "His mercy endures forever." [5] I called on the LORD in distress; The LORD answered me and set me in a broad place. [6] The LORD is on my side; I will not fear. What can man do to me?
Then your head goes into Calvinist God is Sovereign Ideology, yeah it is, which means it is Gods will that HIS MERCY ENDURES FOREVER..
Towards whom? Let’s start in the beginning. Gods Promise to Abraham..
Genesis 12:3 NKJV
I will bless those who bless you, And I will curse him who curses you; And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed."
And in you All the families of the earth WILL BE BLESSED . If there is no opportunity for salvation any other blessing means nothing.
Then Calvinist ignore 1 Tim 2
1 Timothy 2:3-4 NKJV
For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior, [4] who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.
Desires all men to be saved period.
Of course at this point you’ve convinced yourself I don’t know the Bible because all the scriptures i mentioned are dependent on Gods Sovereignty.. while ignoring the fact the GODS WORD IS HIS SOVEREIGNTY.
My friend, you never repented, you never coward under the conviction of the Holy Spirit and out loudly proclaimed that you believed in Jesus and consider Jesus Lord and Savior.
Regeneration DOES NOT PRECEDE FAITH
WORKS OF FAITH ARE NOT WORKS THAT PRODUCE SALVATION.
Faith is the simple act of believing Gods Word. Of course this also is screwed up in your mind because this Calvinist Devils doctrine taught you that you can’t believe in Gods Word on your own..
I could go on and on.
PS. I can assure you because you are a Calvinist you will never know more about Gods Word than any Christian Denomination.
You belong to a Christian Sect. The most divisive Christian Sect. Who tells people God doesn’t love them, that the majority of them were created for hell, that although God created them not to believe.. they are still culpable of their sins even though God ordained it so. But of course he choose you for heaven. Makes you feel good.. guess what it’s a lie!
This is Evil, This is Satan on steroids, it’s called Calvinism and you are it’s child…
@@2minTheology Maybe he was predestined to leave Calvinism and the guy who made the video was predestined to post those "strong fallacies". 😉
It's all hypercalvinism beginning at limited atonement!!! JESUS Died for ALL
I’ve always been uneasy about Calvinism. It just never sat right with me. Watching Leighton Flowers gave me some clarity.
oh dear
@@stubowl1 what are you trying to accomplish with that reply?
@@DanteInfernski22 exactly
Same. Leighton et al.
@@DanteInfernski22 Sorry Mr Flowers makes me cringe. I think you'd be better getting clarity about Calvinism from a Calvinist . Blind leading the blind. Not intended to cause offence but rather to amplify the point i'm making
I've watched hundreds of videos on Calvinism from the multiple TH-camrs speaking out against it. This is one of the best, straightforward videos I've seen. You don't waste time, and you aren't rude toward Calvinists. Great video. Subscribing because of it.
@zamrock2508, Definitely there are some people that are totally depraved and cannot be saved and Christ did no die for them, they are what the bible called reprobates.. Jesus gave His Life only for the Elect...God indeed predestined all the elect to be saved even before they are born and predestined all the reprobates for damnation even before they are born.. That is what Jesus revealed in the Parable of Wheat and Tares.. Example of those predestined to be saved can be found in Acts 13:48 NLT which says: "When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers."
Note: This Gentiles who heard the gospel for the first time were already chosen for eternal life, even before they hear the gospel and believed..
Example of those predestined for damnation can be found in John 8:44-45 where Jesus said: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."
So you’re not biblical now then either - Calvin was only pronouncing what others before screamed - Luther Augustin and so many others
Alana L brought me here! God bless you, brother!! Keep it up. Looking forward to your next ones!!!
Yes! God bless her.
She claims born again believer can lose salvation. How can such a person truly be trusting in Christ alone.
Thank you so much for this video. I was saved out of the prosperity gospel, ended up a cage stage calvinist and then looked at all scriptire through the calvanist lenses. The other night, I randomly burst out in tears out of NO WHERE and said to my husband, "I feel like i might be dishonoring God by saying he only chooses some" he encouraged me to pray and ask the holy spirit to lead me , few days later i came across (wasnt searching for it) great light studios and now your channel.
Thank you.
You do not have to choose between these two "belief systems", some might give you that impression?
You have the Bible and the greatest teacher, the holy Spirit. It IS possible to have both, the scripture and the charisma , gifts😊
The speaker said that Calvinists don't do much preaching of the Gospel ... my experience is VERY different. The ones I know share their faith in Jesus much more than I do. They are much less timid.
Great Job! I'm an ex-RB - I came out of this over 10 years ago! It was very difficult to leave, took 2 years to finally resign and move on.
Same here!!! Was a SHOCKING discovery.
@matthewj2492, I am not a Calvinist but definitely there are some people that are totally depraved and cannot be saved and Christ did no die for them, they are what the bible called reprobates.. Jesus gave His Life only for the Elect...God indeed predestined all the elect to be saved even before they are born and predestined all the reprobates for damnation even before they are born.. That is what Jesus revealed in the Parable of Wheat and Tares.. Example of those predestined to be saved can be found in Acts 13:48 NLT which says: "When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers."
Note: This Gentiles who heard the gospel for the first time were already chosen for eternal life, even before they hear the gospel and believed..
Example of those predestined for damnation can be found in John 8:44-45 where Jesus said: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."
RB?
@@rickward2977 Reformed Baptist, a 5 point Calvinistic Version for the Baptists
Geez only 2years ago it seems that only Leighton Flowers (Soteriology101) was on TH-cam speaking out on Calvinism. It's so great to see all these channels (new and older) taking up the cause of God's love for all people.
GMW, Great Light Studios, Alana L, BTF and now Living Christian!
Liked and Subscribed!🙏
Amen 🙏
Please provide TH-cam links to the channels you mentioned above
@@itspin1529 th-cam.com/video/jgmJmY0-XdM/w-d-xo.html
@@itspin1529 Did that come through for you? I can only link a video of the channel, I can't figure out how to link the whole channel
Calvinism had the internet captured. No longer. People went to “Got Questions”, “Bible Hub or Bible Ref”. Etc. And always received Calvinistic answers.
Then people dug deeper and held Calvinism up to the light of scripture. Now the internet is being used to tell the truth. We need even more channels!
Praise God for your deliverance! Jesus died for all!
YES!!!! FOR ALL !!!!!!!
All of His people.
Ephesians 5:25-29: Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle
@@KiwiKhristian Thankfully He died for all so that whosoever accepts Him as their LORD and Savior can become part of the church and His people. Good verses. Thanks.
@@bobbyadkins6983
Romans 9:16
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
@@KiwiKhristian And who does God show or desire to show mercy to? You can find the answer throughout the New testament pretty easy enough.
2 Peter 3:9
[9]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
John 3:16
[16]For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 Timothy 2:3-6
[3]For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Saviour;
[4]Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
[5]For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
[6]Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
1 John 2:2
[2]And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Hebrews 2:9
[9]But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.
Thank you for your humble testimony and desire for others to understand Truth. He’s using you to share His word. So encouraging!
I really appreciate this video! I am especially glad to hear that you're a biblical counselor -- I'm going through biblical counseling training right now, and have struggled with the Calvinist teaching and all the Calvinist authors we have to read. There's a lot to weed out as I'm learning all the good biblical truths!
I am decidedly *not* Calvinist -- in my view, Calvinism distorts the very character of God, and actually makes Him out to be a liar and a hypocrite (a liar because He tells sinful men from Gen 4 through Revelation to choose to believe and follow Him in order to be saved, but on Calvinism they literally cannot do that unless He causes them to; a hypocrite because He tells men not to sin, but on Calvinism He decrees (causes) sin). I know that's harsh, and I hate to even put those words together, but I don't see a way around it. I know (well, I hope!) Calvinists don't look at it that way, somehow.
What a succinct straightforward bottom line summary. Thanks
Because they don’t follow Calvinism to it’s logical conclusion, that God choose who He will save (an elect group) & sends everyone else to Hell.
Avoid Jay Adams and nouthetic counseling.
@thejesusnerd40 can you elaborate, please? Just curious if it’s because he’s a Calvinist or if it’s more than that…intrigued to hear you out
@@GoodBereanI had to quit the program and ditch all his books because of his Calvinism when I walked away from the reformed church. I simply couldn’t trust the teaching. If that’s what he believed so strongly how can I trust his judgement in how he handles scripture and how he advises us to apply it in a believers life? I was really sorry to have to do that but they require too many of his books and it all feels untrustworthy now.
I got into an argument with a Calvinist pastor and the ONLY question I had that seemed to break through his haughty exterior (after exhausting verses I thought best argued against limited atonement) was:
"Isn't it strange that children who are raised in the faith, both at church and at home, have a much higher chance of being arbitrarily chosen by God to salvation?" He actually stuttered and looked visibly uncomfortable. No confident response to that, bc he's seen for himself that children raised in the faith will frequently adopt the God of their parents.
So I asked a Calvinist the same question. He pointed me to a multi-authored book:
"To You and Your Children: Examining the Biblical Doctrine of Covenant Succession."
Now, despite the validity of these arguments, my question - like yours - still remains. The logic of Calvinism is still severely wanting. Give it a read and hopefully you can better press this pastor!
How is that a confusing question. Have you ever read Acts 2?
@blackpatriot3 you seem not to understand the logic of the question .
Was the pastor some flavor of Baptist?
This is where Covenant Theology comes into play. God blessed the household of believers and expects the head to bring all those under the headship of a believer to be brought into the covenant community. So it should be expected that most Christians come into the faith by birth into a Christian family, having heard the gospel all their life and been discipled to take hold of their faith for themselves and live it out. Baptists tend to downplay this and treat the children of believers as outside the covenant community. I've heard phrases like "vipers in diapers" and similar. Baptize your babies!
If this is to ask why we don't see a uniform random distribution and instead see more Christians where Christians already are, I'm not sure why this would be a problem at all on Calvinism, or if it is, why it is uniquely a problem for Calvinism. If this is about the anti-Calvinist rhetoric of God working randomly, don't fall for your own propaganda. Calvinists don't think God is random or saves people through chance, that's more characteristic of positions that take salvation out of God's hand and leave it up to a free will decision.
So God's choosing of his elect is (sometimes) conditioned by the child's upbringing?
Thank you for sharing the fruit of your labor in the Scriptures. This is so needed because Calvinism shapes a Christian's world view. Reformed theology led me to absolute and total despair. Hope was vanquished and doom ensued. I praise God for giving me back my faith (which meant leaving my church of 23 years). This isn't just an important topic it is a necessary topic. Praising God for your ministry to the body of Christ (included your counseling ministry).
Amen!!
Calvinism is relatively new to me in relation to how long I have been saved. I can genuinely tell you I was saved between ages four and five. I am now twenty-six and I only heard about Calvinism when I was 20. The entire doctrine of Determinism or Calvinism, however you decide to say it, was appalling to me. I had a strong resistance to it and wrote it off as ludicrous. As I have grown in understanding Calvinism, I have learned there is more merit to it than I originally thought and had to genuinely struggle to form good answers against the view. After six years of hearing, learning, researching, and reading scripture, I have not changed my view that Calvinism is anti-Biblical. I do believe Calvinists can be true believers, but the Doctrines themselves are man made twistings of scripture. The only way you can get Calvinism is if you first are introduced to the concept of Determinism and then come to the Bible with Deterministic lenses and search specifically for verses that sound Deterministic, rip them out of their contexts, and missapply them to eachother to froce them to teach something they were never intended to teach.
Thankyou for adding your story and teachings. I will probably watch this a few more times to make sure I fully understand what it is your saying and where your coming from. God bless brother, and keep marching forward with God's truth.
Thanks for sharing! Your story is similar to mine.
I was also offended when I heard the blasphemous claims of calvinism for the first time about 4 years ago. I've only grown more disgusted by its gnostic claims against our SAVIOR CHRIST JESUS as time goes on.
One logical fallacy I see with Calvinism is that it requires God to deny himself. The non-Elect, created to perish, having been made in God's image, are purposely destroyed by Him. Thus, God is destroying his own image.
@@PETERJOHN101 this is the fallacy I see which follows the same line of logic. The Bible says that God is pleased to do His will, it says that God desires mercy not justice, the Bible says that God does not delight in the destruction of the evil, and Calvinism states that it was God's sovereign will to preordain the wicked to destruction for the wicked that He in His perfect and good will predestined them to do. It doesn't line up. They pit God against Himself, and as stated by Jesus, "No kingdom set against itself can stand."
@@andrewjackson8244
Right, yet another scripture violated by Calvin. If God is glorified by destroying people, he would take pleasure in it. Also, how could anyone distinguish between God and Satan if Calvinism was true? God bless!
26:45 Lazarus is a great illustration for how Calvinists think salvation works. The problem arises if they try to use it to PROVE their theology.
I was in it for 7 1/2 years ... Glad to see you realized the issues ... God bless 🙏
While the details of how God saves us may not be a primary issue, I believe that the implications of Calvinistic determination makes God evil, which is a big deal. And if these calvinists are retranslating the word to fit their doctrine, scripture says something about that as well…
Thank you for this video. I came from a position of ignorance before diving into this subject some years ago, so I have never been a calvinist. I so admire people like yourself, who have had to turn from that which they held dear, in order to accept the truth. That takes guts and no small amount of humility, not to mention open ears to hear.
Much respect.
Much respect indeed. Especially knowing that it cost you something. And that a whole bunch of people will look at you differently (often times look down at you.. (speaking from experience)).. . and consider you now "outside" the clique. So much to lose from doing it and, more so, for actually admitting it... But INFINITELY SO MUCH MORE TO GAIN IN CHRIST AND TRUTH! Blessings, my brother.
I had a similar experience coming out of the hyper charismatic movement, the low you feel is real...dove straight into reformed theology as I believed if it was not the one(charismatic) it had to be the other(reformed). Realy tried my utmost bestest to swallow TULIP, but after submitting to the Holy Spirit to come out of that false church, I was sensitive to His prompting that something was off here too. I was also terrified of being deceived again so I never just accepted anything, I still dont. I study and study and study to make extra sure whatever is taught lines up with the Word. I never allow myself to become complacent...if Ive learned anything it is that the enemy never sleeps and he cant be accused of being lazy.
We must desire God's truth above all things, and ask Him every day to give us discernment. Often what seems right to a man will still lead to distruction.
@@AnniEastthank you for sharing that!! What an encouragement.
I try to listen to these types of videos while I work. I look forward to diving into these and appreciate the work you've put in. Thank you!
I'm really excited about this whole series!
So studies have shown that Pelagius didn't believe in Pelagiun teachings but was falsely accused by Augustine as believing those things. Pelagius denied those teachings and agreed that they were heretecial. So Augustin just called those teachings, "Pelagianism".
Augustine is a bad player
Admittedly, I am moving very slowly through this vid. & sometimes have to listen to parts more than once or twice ; ) It's so jam-packed w/excellent theological info. I just wanted to say, Thank You & God Bless....Looking forward to future vids.
I appreciate your gracious tone and well thought out presentation
I often wonder if Augustine was ever truly saved or if he simply adopted Christianity as he adopted other beliefs and practices in his life.
Can a Christian be shacked up and fornicate with his house keeper over most of his life as a so called man of God and be considered a Christian Christ follower? If yes then Augustine was a christian.
thats a very strange thing to say, augustine said some strange things but you have to remember that he is a saint in th two orthodox traditions, he also heavily influenced luther heavily. You have to remember to be more respectful about the ones who came before you. God bless
@@hamontequila1104 with all respect, I don't owe Augustine respect just because he came before me. It also doesn't matter that he is a "saint" in two "orthodox" traditions. Every believer in Christ is a biblical saint, so that isn't impressive to me in the least.
And my doubts still stand, as i don't know if he had a true conversion or just adopted Christianity.
@@hamontequila1104 Yes Luther another heretic like Calvin. Both deranged by the Catholic declared saint Augustine.
Quote from Luthers own writings:
“Burn their synagogues. Forbid them all that I have mentioned above. Force them to work and treat them with every kind of severity, as Moses did in the desert and slew three thousand… If that is no use, we must drive them away like mad dogs, in order that we may not be partakers of their abominable blasphemy and of all their vices, and in order that we may not deserve the anger of God and be damned with them. I have done my duty. Let everyone see how he does his. I am excused.” (About the Jews and Their Lies,’ quoted by O’Hare, in ‘The Facts About Luther, TAN Books, 1987, p. 290.)
“ If I had to baptize a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of the Elbe, hang a stone round his neck and push him over with the words I baptize thee in the name of Abraham” (Grisar, “Luther”, Vol. V. pg. 413.)
“The Jews deserve to be hanged on gallows seven times higher than ordinary thieves.”(Weimar, Vol. 53, Pg. 502.)
Luther was a Calvinist before Calvin. ( They both idolized Augustine the principal of the Catholic system!)
No Christian here!
Quote from Calvins own writings:
"God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death and are to glorify him by their destruction.( John Calvin Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 23, Paragraph 6)
“…salvation is freely offered to some while others are barred from access to it.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5)
“We call predestination God’s eternal decree, by which he compacted with himself what he willed to become of each man. For all are not created in equal condition; rather, eternal life is fore-ordained for some, eternal damnation for others.” (John Calvin, Institutes of Christian Religion, Book 3, Chapter 21, Paragraph 5)
…some are preordained to eternal life, others to eternal damnation; and, accordingly, as each has been created for one or other of those ends, we say that he has been predestined to life or death (Institutes, 3.21.5).
God arranges all things by his sovereign counsel, in such a way that individuals are born, who are doomed from the womb to certain death…(Institutes, 3.23.6).
No Christian here!
Augustine said:
Augustine was one of the fathers of the heresy of infant baptism, claiming that unbaptized infants were lost, and calling all who rejected infant baptism “infidels” and “cursed”.
Augustine exalted church tradition above the Bible and said,”I should not believe the gospel unless I were moved to do so by the authority of the Catholic Church”.
He was among the first who taught a-millennialism and that the nephilim were descendents of Cain instead of (as the Bible says) a mixture of angels and female human beings.
“By Adam’s transgression, the freedom of’ the human will has been completely lost.”
“By the greatness of the first sin, we have lost the freewill to love God.”
“By subverting the rectitude in which he was created, he is followed with the punishment of not being able to do right” and “the freedom to abstain from sin has been lost as a punishment of sin.”
No christian here!
REAL CHRISTIANS BELOW
1 Timothy 2 : 3-6 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people.
1 John 2:2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.
Acts 2 :21And everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.’ 38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39 This promise belongs to you and your children and to all who are far off-....
John 3:16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
Truth in love
@@hamontequila1104respectfully, Augustine was pretty messed up and his gnostic teachings have been proven to permeate his theology.
This was very charitably and lovingly done brother and I thank you for this, even though many calvinists will label you as an unregenerate reprobate for telling these truths you have . I'm sure you realize this and if you don't, you will when all is said and done. The EDD claims of calvinism are blasphemous by definition because they corruptly portray CHRIST JESUS as a petty hypocrite that breaks HIS OWN sayings and laws . The fact that CHRIST isn't making a legitimate offer in Mark 16 : 15 according to calvinists allows one to know what blasphemous heretocal view they have of our SAVIOR CHRIST JESUS as HE offers salvation to EVERY CREATURE IN THE WHOLE WORLD through the preaching of the gospel.
So true:
2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (KJV)
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
So, Calvinist are heretics and blasphemous? Really? Why did Dr. Flowers call them"brothers"? The church has often said the opposite about those who upheld complete free will and autonomy unaffected by the Fall (Jacobus Arminius, Pelagian, Erasmus of Rotterdam, etc). Martin Luther wrote Bondage of the Will and no one has been able to counter that work Biblically. Jonathan Edwards wrote Freedom of the Will arguing that the will must be freed to will after God in the new birth and only then can it be truly free in Christ. Biblically, no one has been able to refute that work. Whenever man's will is seen as the operative force in salvation you get heretical groups, cults, false religion, prosperity Gospel, The Word of Faith movement, hyper emotionalism, decisionism, because man's will is at the center of the system. Jesus' blood is wasted, God demands 2 payments for sinners in hell (Jesus' and man) mankind is only partially fallen, God has no power to save, God is waiting on what man will do, stripping God of His omnipotence, etc. The whole system diminishes God and exalts mankind.
As a school teacher I really love the clarity and organization of this video haha just getting started listening, very excited to hear what you have to say!
Thanks for the comment! Glad it was helpful
@@GoodBerean It must have taken a lot of work. The visuals help to bring clarity for sure! Looking forward to your other videos... I'm subscribed :)
You and me both! My mind was translating it as he went along as a lesson plan for my kindergartners as if it were possible lol!
I approched Calvinism with humility and an open mind. But I turned away when I didnt find it to be biblical
Calvinism isn’t a hill we live (salvation) or die on or condemn others with or should divide the church with.
I’m Calvinist but Christian first and find fellowship with those who trust in the truth of the gospel to be one of Christs most beautiful blessings to us.
The church is already divided enough. Find peace with those who trust Christ died and rose to redeem us. Find fellowship with Christians who know the truth and find peace and comfort looking into another fellow brother and sisters eyes who have Faith in Christ above all things.
I find it hard to believe that you didn’t find it to be biblical. You might of thought some of Calvin’s exposition to be, but I seriously doubt you read all 47 volumes, or the 100s of published sermons to find it all to be “not biblical”.
@@rms-vp6hf I didn't read all of his material. But I approached his core doctrine of TULIP, and found that it's not biblical.
He has a lot of things right in his other work.
But hos soteriology, which is mostly what Calvinism is related to, I did not.
@@awesomefacepalm well that is how I know you are lying. Calvin never taught, or used the acronym TULIP. It usually boils down to two camps, those who believe in man’s inability to participate in his own salvation and those who believe they do. Calvin taught (biblically) we are saved by grace alone, not by works or reason, but through faith in Christ which is the gift of God. That is completely biblical. I would ask anyone…what is it, in you specifically, that has allowed you to accept, believe, repent and save yourself if you reject what is commonly referred to as TULIP?
@@rms-vp6hf talk about acting in bad faith. This is why I don't like to talk with internet Calvinists.
I know that TULIP wasn't coins by Calvin. It's a summary that was later invented by those who studied Calvin.
We are saved by grace yes, that's a doctrine not exclusive to Calvin, its such a bad tactic to use that.
I reject Calvin? Oh so I reject the gospel because Calvin talked about the gospel?
Stop that, it's bad enough that you are accusing me of lying but now you use such bad tactics to make it worse.
I reject Calvin's interpretation of Sovereignty, Original sin, predestination and election, those doctrines that were later summarized by TULIP.
Praise God for your work brother. My hearts mourns for this doctrine being implanted in churches all over, including my own. Please post the next 4 parts you’ve got planned. I’d love to connect sometime and discuss, if given the opportunity, how to continue to go about bringing awareness to this to those around me. You and Leighton Flowers are lights in this. Lord bless!
Arminininism is the doctrine that was implanted into the churches after the early church and after Augustianism. The Roman Catholic Church and the spurious cults and offshoots of Weslyn man-centered theological systems are the intruder in todays American churches.
Thank you so much for clarifying the facts of Calvanism not being biblical.
My husband & I became Christians me out of the Catholic Church he out of Lutheran church.
We attended a little home country church that we were led to believe followed the Bible. The leader ran a mechanical business.
After awhile I noticed words were being changed. World didn’t mean everyone all didn’t mean all.
I started to point this out to my husband & he asked the leader who explained it as Biblical interpretation.
My husband by then was convinced on what we now know as Calvanism.
Our children were not allowed to sing Jesus loves me because God hates sinners.
I was told I just have to accept Gods will & His choice of who he saves.
It was deadening & depressing.
I couldn’t read my Bible because verses jumped out at me confirming all this.
Thank you for teaching the truth of scripture maybe I can start to read my Bible again!
Praying for you and your family sister. You can trust His Word and what it clearly says!
At 20:58, regarding 2 Peter 2:1; in this passage, Peter isn't making a statement about the atonement.
In this verse, he uses the Greek word δεσπότης (despot), translated as “Master,” and while this term is used in several places to refer to Jesus, in all of the nearly 30 times that this word is used (20 times in the Septuagint, and 10 times in the New Testament) it is never the word that is used to refer to Christ in a salvific sense as the Redeemer or the Mediator. In fact, it is never used as the redemptive title for anyone, even in Jude 4.
Whenever Christ is referred to as Mediator in scripture, one of His redemptive titles is always used, titles such as the “Lamb of God,” or, the redemptive price is made explicit, or it is stated in the context.
The word “despot” however is applied in scripture in order to emphasize some aspect of God outside of redemption, such as:
o The sovereign master who has ultimate power over His slaves (Luke 2:29)
o The creator of all that is (Acts 4:24)
o The master of a household for whom the slaves work and owe their allegiance (2 Timothy 2:21)
o The sovereign judge of all the world (Revelation 6:10).
The word is also used elsewhere to speak specifically of the master-servant relationship in places like Titus 2:9 and 1 Peter 2:18.
In 2 Peter 2:1, we see that the master bought slaves, and the slaves owed the master allegiance as their sovereign. Doctrinally, this analogy can be viewed as the responsibility for all mankind to submit to sovereign God as slaves, a notion which false teachers reject.
He also uses the term αγοραζω, for “bought.” While this word is the standard word for “to buy,” “to redeem,” “to ransom,” used 31 times in the New Testament, in every instance where it is being used in a salvific sense, it is always listed along with the purchase price, such as “redeemed by the blood of Christ,” or the purchase price is made explicit in the immediate context that clearly restricts its use to believers only (cf. 1 Corinthians 6:20, 7:23, 1 Peter 1:18-19, and Revelation 5:9, 14:3-4), and in this instance at 2 Peter 2:1, we do not find that kind of explicit language; here the word might better be translated as “acquire,” or “obtain.”
Furthermore, wherever this word is used, it is never used in a hypothetical sense (which would be necessary if Christ redeemed absolutely everyone, including the non-elect), but rather, it is always used where the buying or the acquiring actually took place. If this passage was speaking in a salvific sense, this would be the only instance in scripture where we do not find that kind of language.
As a matter of fact, this word αγοραζω is used some 20 times in the Septuagint, but never once is it used to translate the two great Hebrew redemptive words “gāal” for “redeem,” or “pādāh” for “ransom,” or “purchase.”
If 2 Peter 2:1 teaches that Christ died a substitutionary death for the false teachers, how is it that in verse 12 of the same chapter, these same individuals are described as “unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed,” who “were long beforehand marked out for this condemnation” (Jude 4). If this passage teaches that Christ redeemed those who were at the same time long beforehand marked out for condemnation, it turns God into a schizophrenic.
In this passage, Peter is simply stating that Christ has absolute power and authority over all His creation including the false teachers because He is their creator. See Deuteronomy 32:5-6 for a parallel of this, where God is said to have acquired Israel as a covenant nation (bought her), though they rejected Him.
Calvinist here but still subscribed and looking forward to your videos brother 🙂 Iron sharpens iron.
Love it brother! Thanks!
Awesome.
Respect, sir! Sounds like you just want to know the truth even if it might change what you currently believe. 👍🏼
Lord we just want to know your truth, please humble us and open our ears if this is what you want us to hear.
@@DOO718 Agreed and amen brother. To me the Bible is solely truth, with everything else secondary - my opinions, my hopes, Calvin, Arminius, confession and creeds - at best providing commentary and insight, valid only to the degree they are supported by scripture.
What I can never understand is why people don’t actually go to the source of Calvinism and find out who John Calvin was and what he actually believed in trust me you will be shocked not only with his life style but how he rejected many of the teachings of Christ John Calvin literally authorized beheadings, death by fire, torture, and murder rather than “instructing his opponents with gentleness.” John Calvin was the radical Islamic ISIS of his day, rather than having the mind of Christ. John Calvin’s theology is at the foundation of many Christian denominations and it is known as Calvinism. Calvin died believing these erroneous doctrinal positions and never repented for his gross sins, as he was in biblical ignorance that they were even sins at all. If this were anyone else would you even suggest that John Calvin was moved along by Holy Spirit in his interpreting of the Scriptures? - Matthew 7:21-23.
Have you read The Myth of Pelagianism by Dr Ali Bonner?
I've listened to an interview with her and it was quite interesting.
Pelagius wasnt even a Pelagian himself
Exactly! Augustine and his cronies attached 14 points to the made-up "heresy" they called "Pelagianism". Pelagius rejected 13 of the points outright and only half agreed with the 14th.
I’m still recovering from my Calvinistic indoctrination from three years ago
Calvinism is historic Christianity. It is all over the landscape. It isn't some aberrant theology. Many people in the past have believed it, treasured it. It is a system that allows God to receive the glory in salvation and none to man. Perhaps you were around hyper Calvinist or those who did not handle the doctrines well???
It took me about three and a half years to re-establish a true relationship with my Lord Jesus.
Same here
@maxstrange7606 After years of listening to several calvinist preachers , I concluded they had failed to teach the whole counsel of God.
@@paulgarduno2867 Then, you are recovering from a God centered view of salvation to a more man centered view of salvation, in my opinion. Man always wants to take some fraction of God's glory in salvation and this "movement" away is what Rome did with the Catholic Church, it's what Finney did in the 2nd Great Awakening and the rise of the cults. History shows a fluctuating wave that goes from a God-centered soteriology to a more anthropocentric soteriology and a re-correction. I am happy to stay with God receiving all the glory in salvation. I want no credit. To God alone be the glory.
I dropped the ESV when I realized it was the Elect Sovereign Version. Once I became aware of the doctrines of Calvinism I started to see it in certain translations and especially in study Bible notes.
The transition on its own is good. The study notes are a different product, however.
I only recently remembered that the ESV is actually a Calvinist translation. (I believe my brother had told me this years ago.) However, when I have read from it, I have not observed or recognized Reformed theology specifically. It has not influenced or changed my thinking. I do love the KJV, though, since I grew up using it and have memorized from it. 🙂
@@Elizabeth-lp2fk it's not all bad, there's just some theological presupposition in some passages. I use a KJV to preach from since it's the preferred translation at my church, but I prefer to prep and study using more modern translations.
Just subbed and am looking forward to the other parts of this series!
Me too!
Thank you brother for this presentation. I appreciate your humility and obvious love for the truth. I have heard other very convincing arguments against Calvinist, but the presenters sometimes don’t seem to be speaking the truth and love, so I’m reluctant to share it with Calvinist in my family. But I would feel very comfortable sharing this presentation with them as it addresses the scripture and is done in love. Thank you so much and God bless you.
100% AGREE! I have felt very comfortable actually sharing this my friends and family because of his godly approach. Truth WITHOUT love misses the mark in my opinion. But Jason does a wonderful job sharing Truth in LOVE! Praise the Lord.
Don't worry about sharing it. It's a terrible attempt, though somewhat charitable, at trying to disprove the doctrines of grace. There's nothing new and it's easily dismissed. His exegesis of 1 Cor and 2 Thes was pathetic.
@@toddcote4904I disagree. Check out his entire series. And invest time to see what the scholars from the other side say if you haven’t. Determine in your heart to understand where they are coming from with an open mind. And if you have done that.. kudos to you, my friend!! Much appreciated! That’s great! Many people just refuse to before commenting or sincerely trying to understand. Blessings my friend.
Jason, I’ve shared this series with many more since this. It’s been a HUGE encouragement to soo many and myself. My friends have come back to me and commented how much they’ve appreciated your series and patience and kindness through this (my friends in Calvinist and non-Calvinist churches alike!) God bless you, Jason!
@@toddcote4904Too late, already passed it on. And I strongly disagree. The Calvinist stance while robust from many angles and on many points, falls apart when you dig into the details. I've been there and done that. I appreciate many people within Calvinism, but the theology is not durable enough when you dig in. Is this approach perfect? No. But in the substance it is strong enough for those who are looking as I was. I actively wanted it to be true ( long story) but it did not hold up at the core.
@mikeprice3884
Yeah, I've listened to many try and disprove calvinism and they all fail miserably. If you can link a good one, I'll listen to it, but I've really tried dozens and scores to no avail.
Welcome to the other side!
I was a Calvinist for 32 yrs. I left officially 1 yr ago. It took me 3 yrs to study,think and pray to leave it.
Such a good clear and logical presentation. Thanks so much, I will use this!
I'm glad brother that God opened your eyes.
Thank you my brother and keep it up. It seems to me that you are preaching the truth. You have a kindness about you that glorifies God
Was raised Trad-Roman Catholic then left that “church” for several reasons then as getting serious about the faith got led into Calvinism and after SERIOUSLY praying and studying scripture got out of it. Grace is grace or it ain’t. PRAISE THE LORD!! Look forward to seeing this. God bless y’all!!
Hector F. López, Jr.
Katy, Texas
Are you Greek Orthodox or were you land
@@annb9029 Am just a simple Bible believer now. I subscribe and adhere to a literal, grammatical, historical, contextual interpretation of scripture. Non-denominational. You? What’s your history?
God bless you on your faith Journey, most Rad Trads end up Eastrrn Orthodox , im Catholic Eastern Byzantine leaning but respect your. Journey God Bless
I actually learned new things from this video. That means it was worth the time.
Bro continue what your doing. Don't let them stop you.
Thanks brother for the encouragement
@@GoodBereanI despise Calvinism because they reduce God down to a self indulgent child arbitrarily designating which of his army men toys are good and which ones are bad then declaring himself glorious after melting the bad ones with a magnifying glass. This is NOT a deeper understanding of God, it's a very shallow understanding and reflects more on the type of person that finds this so called doctrine "comforting". How many people have gone to hell lost in their sins because the people telling them the gospel message were Calvinists, after all why would you bother to change your path in any way when you're told it doesn't matter what YOU as an individual thinks or does it's all a matter of God just" flipping a switch on" inside you. They paint a picture of God that's offering salvation to ALL but doesn't fulfill that promise and that's evil and cruel and that is the complete opposite of God. The Nazis led Jews into what they were told were showers but they got gassed to death instead, how exactly is that any different from the Calvinists view of God?????
@@GoodBereanfor some reason I can't comment, but I can reply to a comment.... Just fyi. But I wanted to just tell you you're doing Really Well and I'm excited to listen to you on a regular basis. A friend from Facebook sent me this link and I think you'll definitely be a new favorite teacher of mine lol. You're truly doing great man, thank you for your service. I Love you. You are seriously doing a really really great thing here. It might take a minute to gain subscribers etc, but I think it will start to snowball, and man I can see you getting a LOT of attention. God bless you profoundly, Brother. I appreciate you. I'm pretty stoked to be a new subscriber.
Oh yeah, but I can't leave a comment. Not sure why.
@@coryc1904 I've had times when I couldn't leave a comment on certain videos. But it was just for a certain amount of time. Probably just some technical difficulty. Try again later.
What the modern Church needs is a New Covenant Revival (Heb. 9:10) in which members of various denominations are willing to re-examine everything they believe and see if it agrees with the Bible, instead of the traditions of men. We need to be like the Bereans. It will be a battle between our flesh and the Holy Spirit. It will not be easy. If you get mad and upset when someone challenges your man-made Bible doctrines, that is your flesh resisting the truth found in God's Word.
Nobody can completely understand the Bible unless they understand the relationship between the Old Covenant given to Moses at Mount Sinai and the New Covenant fulfilled in blood at Calvary.
What brings all local churches together into one Body under the blood of Christ? The answer is found below.
New Covenant Whole Gospel:
Let us now share the Old Testament Gospel found below with the whole world. On the road to Emmaus He said the Old Testament is about Him.
He is the very Word of God in John 1:1, 14. Awaken Church to this truth.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by husband unto them, saith the LORD:
Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Is the most important genealogy in the Bible found in Matthew 1:1 (Gal. 3:16)? Is God's Son the ultimate fulfillment of Israel (John 1:49)? Why has the modern Church done a pitiful job of sharing the Gospel with modern Orthodox Jews? Why would someone tell them they are God's chosen people and then fail to share the Gospel with them? Who is the seed of the woman promised in Genesis 3:15? What did Paul say about Genesis 12:3 in Galatians 3:8? Who is the "son" in Psalm 2? Who is the "suffering servant" of Isaiah 53? Who would fulfill the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34? Who would fulfill the timeline of Daniel chapter 9 before the second temple was destroyed? Why have we not heard this simple Old Testament Gospel preached on Christian television in the United States on a regular basis?
Once a person comes to understand the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, which is found fulfilled by Christ during the first century in Hebrews 8:6-13, and Hebrews 10:16-18, and specifically applied to the Church in 2 Corinthians 3:6-8, and Hebrews 12:22-24, man-made Bible doctrines fall apart.
Let us now learn to preach the whole Gospel until He comes back. The King of Israel is risen from the dead! (John 1:49, Acts 2:36)
We are not come to Mount Sinai in Hebrews 12:18. We are come instead to the New Covenant church of Mount Zion and the blood in Hebrews 12:22-24.
1Jn 3:22 And whatsoever we ask, we receive of him, because we keep his commandments, and do those things that are pleasing in his sight.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.
1Jn 3:24 And he that keepeth his commandments dwelleth in him, and he in him. And hereby we know that he abideth in us, by the Spirit which he hath given us.
The following verses prove the Holy Spirit is the master teacher for those now in the New Covenant.
Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
Mar 1:8 I indeed have baptized you with water: but he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Jn 2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.
Watch the TH-cam videos “The New Covenant” by David Wilkerson, or Bob George, and David H.J. Gay.
Loved it!!! Just finished it. Looking forward to the next one from you. I most especially loved how gracious and loving you said things and how sincere you are. Regardless of what we believe on this issue, we must remember that a marker of a true Christian is one that shows love to other believers in the way they speak and act towards each other. Thank you for your example, Jason!!
“By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
John 13:35
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Thank you for the encouragement and sharing Scripture Elaine! Blessings in Christ!
Every hardcore Calvinist I know is smitten by pride, generally speaking intellectual pride.
I can’t reach them no matter how much I love them
That’s really saddening
48:00 Excellent video... This points out the inherent problem with debate in general. The desire to 'win' too often overrides the desire to speak truth. Augustine obviously desired to win. His rhetorical skill and pride got the best of him. This is illustrated by his willingness to recant 20yrs of his 'freewill' anti-gnostic teaching and dust of his old Manichean notes and go for the 'win' after accepting Pelagius' 'red herring' about his faith=works.
I definitely noticed this when talking to Calvinist brothers and sisters. The desire to win is present
Diesm is a philosophical doctrine brought in and around the early 17th century. Self Determinists follow their philosophical system
Thanks for sharing this and putting this on TH-cam! Looking forward to the rest of the series.
Jason, I think you did a wonderful job using grace towards our brothers and sisters on the reformed side of Calvinism. You gave a lot food for thought. It certainly is not a dividing issue and you presented your arguments well. I look forward to the rest of the conversation.
I agreed with the evangelism, it’s something that I see as well. Also as an outreach ministry I feel like the people we minister too would not fit in many of the reformed churches because they need a lot of healing and come from hard places.
However it’s hard to find solid biblical exposition churches who lift up Christ and His word that are not reformed.
I love my reformed brothers/sisters and my Arminian orthodox ones too. We are all seeking truth in His word and need to unite on the essentials. Show each other grace on the very important yet non-essentials such as what you are discussing!!!
Covering you in prayers my friend! Persecution will come to those standing on biblical truth. ❤
Hi there you said that it was hard to find solid exposition churches that are not reformed… I would recommend Calvary chapel churches. They go verse by verse through the scriptures and are very orthodox. I think some might have some calvinistic leanings but they definitely are not full on Calvinist by any means
And yet the Reformers DID divide from the church at Rome - except where it suited them not to. Calvin used the inquisitors when it suited him against those who apposed him. He was deemed the Pope of Geneva...
Galatians 1:8-9 (KJV)
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
There is only ONE GOSPEL of peace - which Calvinists say is only for "some" - that is "another gospel".
@@robinq5511 Not sure why you are replying to my comment? Nothing you said has anything to do with my comment to Jason! God Bless you! No perfect man or woman, no perfect theology, yet we can be united in Christ on the essentials of our faith. We can all find problems with one another. Calvin is no exception. I believe he is in Glory. God Bless!
@bethelchurchministry
I responded to your post because you mentioned non-essentials over which we ought not divide. But TULIP theology is divisive especially when they are evangelizing others who also twist scripture or add to it. Other than that, I see when standing on biblical truth it should actually BE true.
Blessings.
LOVE THE VIDEO. Your understanding and explanation of Calvinist/Reformed theology should be sufficient to preclude other Calvinists from accusing you of 'not understanding Calvinism'.. but I'm willing to bet it will not.😊 Calvinists are not monolithic in all their beliefs with the possible exception that no one really leaves or rejects Calvinism because the DO understand it.
I Really appreciate your spirit and I want to encourage you all that I can to continue ringing the bell and sounding the alarm, it is a dangerous theology with terrible implications against God which causes Calvinists to defend God form the claims of their own system.
That said, I do not accept that this 'issue' of Calvinism is "not a primary issue" to a body of believers. I cannot see how the claim that God determined to only save a few while intentionally withholding even the ability or opportunity to be saved from all others, also created in his own image, and then punishes them eternally for doing what he decreed and that which they could not avoid in some vain attempt to show himself 'more glorious'. this cannot be a "non-essential" idea to Christianity in my view. It is a direct attack levied by John Calvin and 'Reformed' Calvinist theology at the very nature and character of our Heavenly Father. Aside from insulting the senses and conscience which God bestowed in mankind, it categorically denies the description Paul gives of him as being the very personification of "Love" (noun) in 1Cor 13.
Out of curiosity, I hear a lot about God’s eternal decrees, but very little evidence to suggest that this exists. Would you (and if you decline, no worries) please help me understand how Calvinists came to the conclusion that all of God’s decrees are eternal, and unchanging?
@@coreyc3093 IMO, the short answer is 'they made it up'. Everything in Calvinism flows from the false premise that all men are "born" unable to respond positively to God apart from God's intervention... beyond man hearing of the Gospel of Christ... which they are supposedly "born" unable to believe. This is in spite of the fact that John says he writes these thing 'so that' you might believe and in believing be saved. After accepting Pelagius' 'red herring' that his faith was a work... Augustine set about to invent a way, and reason, by which men must be saved without and before they can believe anything. Which is the cart before the horse and the opposite of all scripture about salvation.
In truth, there is no verse or passage in proper context to ever establish Total Depravity=Total Inability to be true. But is it the foundation of their doctrine none the less. And every part of TULIP evolved in the process of attempting to answer the questions which only occur because of their successive false premises.
In scripture, God does declare things. But it is a logically fallacy to try and assert that because God decrees 'A' thing.... it is proof he decrees 'All' things. The few verses which consider God talking about things which he decrees refer to decisions he has made and things which he promises to bring to pass. Many of them are actually stated as being 'conditional' on mans actions. None of them ever establish God is meticulously controlling all things at all times. It is not a question of whether or not he could... it's just never established that is what he does. But, accepting the implications of Calvinism's false premises require them to contend that is what is happening.
Theistic Determinism is essentially a core Calvinist belief. But if God has decreed them to believe Calvinism is true, and decreed another to believe it is not and decreed that each should contend with one another about it.. in history this has ended in violent death... God is playing checkers with himself, and to what possible end other than whatever else he has already decreed?🤔
Regarding the decrees of God, I certainly no expert. But this quote from The Westminster Confession of Faith 1648 is the fundamental guiding work for Calvinism and the basis for their claim today as I understand it.
"CHAPTER III Of God’s Eternal Decree;
I. God from all eternity did, by the most wise and holy counsel of his
own will, freely and unchangeably ordain whatsoever comes to pass:
yet so as thereby neither is God the author of sin, nor is violence
offered to the will of the creatures, nor is the liberty or contingency
of second causes taken away, but rather established."
As a point of fact, no amount of explanation beyond the phrase "whatsoever comes to pass" can be considered logically necessary. Yet, they go on ad nauseum in a failed attempt to exonerate God from the unavoidable claims of their doctrine in that he is meticulously causing all abortions, and Jeffrey Dahmer's appetite. While ignoring the blatant fact that having said God ordains "whatsoever comes to pass" already covers it.
@@R.L.KRANESCHRADTT Agree 100% wholeheartedly with your position eloquently laid out here. Thanks brother!
@@coreyc3093 Thanks, 'eloquent' that's quite a compliment.
Not sure how much I’ll end up bringing this aspect up, but that would be part of video 3!
I have looked at scripture with the lenses on and it still didn't make sense to me. Thank you so much for finally making the truth so clear and understandable
I wanted to just tell you you're doing Really Well and I'm excited to listen to you on a regular basis. A friend from Facebook sent me this link and I think you'll definitely be a new favorite teacher of mine lol. You're truly doing great man, thank you for your service. I Love you. You are seriously doing a really really great thing here. It might take a minute to gain subscribers etc, but I think it will start to snowball, and man I can see you getting a LOT of attention. God bless you profoundly, Brother. I appreciate you. I'm pretty stoked to be a new subscriber
Thank you so much for the encouragement brother! Truly a blessing to have such kind words spoken. Praying your week is blessed!
This warmed my heart ☺️
Just recently started watching this series, Calvinism did a lot of harm to my soul and this is a very well made and thought out series.
I understand exactly what you’re feeling man it had caused me a lot of issues myself working out of it all currently now I do have some channel recommendations if you wanted to hear some people speaking on the other side that are not Calvinistic any more explaining why they no longer hold of Calvinism.
Idle killer, Soteriology101, beyond the fundamentals(not sure if he was ever calvanist)
The teaching of the Reformation has been a great blessing to me. I was lost but Jesus found His lost Sheep and brought me home. It was by grace and grace alone. If I lose all and I mean ALL, I still have everything. Because Jesus is my everything, my life and my ALL.
@@MariusVanWoerden this is one case I’m happy you feel that way but the system has flaws and if you follow the system out no one truly can know they are saved
@@brandonmack6827 Don't belief that lie Our church is filled with true believers saved by Grace. Jesus says Unless you are BORNE AGAIN you cannot see the Kingdom of Heaven. It is God’s Al wise Plan, that will be revealed when God Create the New Heaven and The New earth. NEVER LOST IS NEVER SAVED. Christ Our Lord did not come for Choosers He came to save those who were Lost.
We need to BE !! born again that is not a decision, it is the very begin of being Saved, and the working of the Holy Spirit. I did not seek the Lord But Jesus found His lost Sheep and brought me home. I live in Ontario Canada. I’m have been a potter all my life. th-cam.com/video/owz9EsUknBA/w-d-xo.html but since my 16th I have studied nothing but the Bible, Theology and church history every day. When I was about 16 I was very affright to die being not saved. As the Scripture says no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.
It was because I went with my dad to a funeral of an uncle. There was an open Casket When I saw my uncle in the casket my whole body started shaking. And fear came over me. I said to myself it could be me tomorrow but even if I lived 100 yr. I have to stand before the judgment seat of Christ and I will be condemned forever.
In the next week, I went to a weekday church service. The sermon was: From Hebrews 9: 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. I started to read the Bible every day, study it and go to church during the week and twice on Sundays as much as I could. I tried to be better but after a year I felt more sinful and instead of better, worst. One night I could not sleep and I felt depressed I started to cry out to the Lord and said: “Lord God I deserve Hell but I cannot for eternity be separated from You.” I saw that one who dies without Christ will instantly be separated from our Creator. Even the atheist and Jews are held up by the God they do not believe in. That is why Christ at the Cross cried out: “My God My God Why have you forsaken me” That we would never be FORSAKEN from our Lord God. It was the deepest point of His suffering
Then these words came in my heart: “This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.”
I saw that God The Father was well pleased with Jesus when He died at the cross and gave His Blood for many. I said Lord God If you are pleased with that scarifies at the Cross why Would I not be pleased with it. I saw that Christ was nailed to the Cross for my sins. Looking to Christ alone and not my righteousness. At that moment peace came into my heart. Peace With God that no one can understand except only through the Holy Spirit, I felt that the Blood of Christ had washed my sins away. I felt as if I was walking in Paradise without Sin. I was 17 at that time It took the week after to completely comprehend what had happened. It’s all by Grace Just the Blood of Christ and nothing of me at all. If I lose all I have on earth I still have Everything, because Jesus is my all my life and my everything. Those that were Never lost were never saved. Jesus did not come for choosers but for Loosers Mark 8:35
For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it.
I know My Lord God hears our prayers I have 12 children from one marriage, one of them my daughter is in Heaven, and now also 30 grandchildren. The Lord has been good to me always. I have seen God's hand in my life so often but mostly when I went through a deep valley. I had no income whatsoever for 2 years with 11 small children. However every day we had everything we needed. I told no one but the Lord. My Lord took care of all my needs every day. It was the best time of my life. I have seen so many miracles happen before my own eyes. After 2 years we had an income again. My wife said: “one thing of all we sold I miss, that is the antique clock.” The clock had a special sentimental value for us. I said: “let me see if I can buy one the same.” Yeah, she said: “but it will never be the same.” I went to the store but there was no Clock even not one that looked like it. So I asked the owner if he still knew me. Yes, he said. So I asked if he ever get a clock the same as I sold him. To my surprise, he answered: “It is at my house, My wife took it home after you brought it in.” I did get it back for the same money as I got for it. The Lord knew that my wife would miss it and kept it for us. I would not have traded this for all the riches in the world. I saw my Lord God’s Hand in my life.
I have NO fear of dead IT IS ONLY BY THE HOLY SPIRIT that we can understand that God the Creator of all things Sent His Only Begotten Son for us to die at the cross for our sins, and come to know the forgiveness of sins for all those who put their faith and trust in Him. I feel so sad for people who have no understanding, of the true origin of life. or who live as if our own act or the law saves.
My grandfather translated works of the Scottish Puritans into Dutch so we had lots of books at our home.
Calvinism - "When being better than everyone else ain't good enough" 😉
That’s an unfair description, though. It doesn’t teach that anybody is better.
@@Migler1 I have personally witnessed a level of arrogance and self righteousness from leaders and teachers in my trip through Calvinism that I've not seen in any other Christian tradition. I too spent 10+ years drinking the 'Calvinist' kool-aid. I thank God that I am no longer in that camp.
@@Migler1does it teach that the elect are made better than the unelect positionally?
@@DrgnSlyrthey really do try to make themselves like they know everything and everyone else that’s trying to understand scripture knows nothing and they push a narrative on you like you’re trying to earn some credit for your salvation instead of what you really believe that God gets all the credit but they try to put words in your mouth that you never said. They try so hard to make you look dumb when in fact they are the ones that can’t get John 3:16 right they somehow think the world doesn’t literally mean the world in that verse, that it only means the elect. Funny how if it meant the elect how it definitely would say the elect instead of the world
@@jnau8196it seems like it once you start having a conversation about theology with one of them. They get unnecessarily angry too and try to make you look like a fool
Big OOPS there. If a Calvinist suggests that one is not saved if they do not believe the doctrines of Calvinism, then they have just introduced a work into one's salvation, and have hence contradicted their own doctrine. So if Calvinists are honest, then they must accept all actions of all persons as predestined by God, including yours as you point out. Nicely done, thanks, this has given me even more to think about.
DW: Yes! Excellent point! As a matter of fact - there is a form of "works-salvation" inherent within the doctrine which was identified by Dr. Eric Fromm in his book "Escape from Freedom".
The doctrine gives the Calvinist NO CERTAINTY of salvation. And that can become an internal emotional burden which is almost unbearable.
It is experienced as a form of pain.
In order to evade that UNCERTAINTY the Calvinist will defer to "works" - which are in many cases "works" designed to defend the doctrine.
"works" in Calvinism - serve as *INDICATORS* of the divine will for the individual - and thus serve as *INDICATORS* for the person's eternal destiny.
It is a "fear-based" form of "works". But it is "Works" salvation never the less.
An example of it - is the testimony of R.C. Sproul as a young man - in which he tries to pump up the believer with manufactured forms of assurance.
But as R.C. Sproul approaches the end of his life - he starts to acknowledge his UNCERTAINTY of about his election.
That is a very common pathway for all Calvinists.
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My answer to a Calvinist pastor why i stopped attending the Reformed church conference,I said to him,"maybe I am not predestined to accept the teaching of the reformed church.
I am reformed, but this was a great video. I will watch the rest!
Just an observation --- I grew up an Arminian, and nearly 10 years ago. I think one of the problems is that when people begin subscribing to a certain viewpoint early on, they are more likely to change their minds if the view they had was the only one they knew. I've seen this on both sides. I've seen many people who grew up non-reformed turn to reformed theology. These people are less likely to go back to their original viewpoint because they feel that they are more "experienced" and made a good decision to leave it. It is almost a form of stubbornness. The same goes with ex-calvinists.... They refuse to ever go back because of their personal experience. You would also have to admit that you were wrong twice. I think it is very important for both sides to earnestly spend more time in prayer and study while always having a high view of scripture. Be as consistent as possible and pray that God removes any personal bias in favor of the truth.
EDIT - I do you suggest reading some more works on reformed theology to better represent our side's position.
Could you give examples of things you think he got wrong? Also could you admit that Calvinists aren’t a monolith and there isn’t “one side” to Calvinist theology?
Would like suggestions and sources or statements I made that did not correctly represent, please! Thanks brother
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I am happy for you. I started kicking against calvanism blasphemy as I studied scriptures more due to my influence by Charlse Spurgeon.
Reformed Calvinism is simply reviving gnosticism and Manichaeism. I would not stop till I see Calvinism wiped from the face of the earth. It has destroyed many lives
I know personally that John MacArthur was VERY solid in the seventies when I became acquainted with his radio program (I may be been blind) ..... however, when I began to be exposed to him over the last ten years, his teaching had changed horribly.
At the time, I didn't understand, but once it was revealed to me the realities of calvinism and I was beginning to meet calvinists up close and personally ... and the explosion of modern versions (and encouragement from the pulpit for the practice) ... I think I have finally got a handle on the damage and danger of calvinism.
This has been a most welcome message and teaching. Praise the Lord! Hallelujah! Amen!
"As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God. They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one." (Romans 3:10-11)
Which must be read in context, naturally. In Acts, Luke declares Cornelius a 'righteous' man. Hebrews 11 tells us of many righteous people in the Old Testament. So, since scripture cannot contradict, Romans 3 needs to be looked at very closely for further understanding. :)
ABSOLUTELY PHENOMENAL BREAKDOWN. I’ve needed this for so long to explain something that I knew was true but hadn’t researched enough to explain to others myself. I just knew in my spirit Calvinism wasn’t right but I didn’t know enough to explain myself to others. Thanks so much🙏. This is of so much value - thank you for you doing this!
From an orthodox christian, thank you for this video! I really sat through the whole thing and took notes on it. Former self described Reformed Christian, presently in the kingdom of God in the Whole and Complete (Catholic) Apostolic Church -- this is really helping me recall some of the driving biblical factors in my conversion, and I am having some weekly conversations with Calvinists now and ummmm need to sharpen up again on some of this lol ... Saint Paul does a great job giving an account of the orthodox opinion on sin, death, and corruption as an effect of Adam's transgression (original sin). I had my NT open for this also even and I opened up to the Romans 3:23 passage and it also seems, perhaps unjustified to read this as meaning every single individual is sinful and will necessarily sin, but it seems rather to be written in defense of being justified through faith and not through the law, just as he previously warned "both jews and greeks that they are all under sin. As it is written, there is no one righteous; no, not one..." And so just as all are under sin, all are become the righteousness of God through the faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe.: "There is no distinction". St Paul does not seem to be making a statement of the individual activities of every one forever, such that some one couldn't possibly *not sin*, but that all are, both Jew and Greek, all are under sin, the wages of which are death for fear of which humans sin; and so on account of death since the first transgression sin reigned over men, and this would be true even if one did walk in righteousness and not commit sin .... But we who are baptized into Christ have put on Christ as the new man, and as we died with him in the washing of our regeneration so have we been raised with him unto life in his spirit (and not the old body of death) as heirs of God; whose perfect love casts out fear (and so is received the remission of sins).
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St Paul does a good job of presenting EO theology? Had to LOL.
(Perhaps the other way around!)
@@chaddonal4331 It may be surprising ... but we consider saint Paul to be correct in his theology. What he presents in his teaching in his epistles is also what we have received as the apostolic teaching. Whether Saint Paul presents what is orthodox, or whether the orthodox present what is taught by saint Paul, it makes no difference. Saint Paul wasn't the only apostle and his conclusions are drawn from a thorough understanding of the other scriptures which preceded him.
Yes every anti calvinist activity is from the antichrist preparing multitude to the submission of the Roman Catholicism one way or the other
@@OrthobroAustin EO= Catholic without the additions, Protestant without the subtractions.
@@princekermit0 Not protestant, more like Catholic without the later heresy and man worship.
Only listened for a minute so far but got me curious if you do counseling for people coming out of calvinism? I am 20 years in and hubby is deacon in pca. We used to be in opc. Husband is still very much calvinist to the core and has no interest to learn anything otherwise nor the free time that I have to explore other things.
@@moriyah7758 thanks for the comment. Hopefully this video is helpful: Help! My Spouse is a Calvinist
th-cam.com/video/eILFJlSoYaM/w-d-xo.html I would be open to talking with your husband if he would be willing to
@@moriyah7758 I’m going through the same thing. I’m so grieved. Praying for you and your family.
@@GoodBereanthank you for sharing. I just found your page and I’m working through the videos. I felt in my spirit that something was off with my husband’s church but I couldn’t put my finger on it. Thanks for being obedient to the Lord. It’s a lot to grasp but it explains a lot.
Some good thoughts you have put here. I have been trying to understand why one denies free will, something very unsettling about calvinism. I will keep searching for the truth in scriptures.
John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
It's not our will It's Gods will.
Romans 3:11 (KJV) There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.
These are good reasons why men have nothing to do with choosing God.
@@eddyrobichaud5832 Respectfully, I can find at least 10 verses that directly ‘contradict’ everything you just posted.
@coreyc3093 share them brother!
@coreyc3093 your not contradicting what I'm posting. You're contradicting what the bible is saying.
@@eddyrobichaud5832 Amen brother John six is correct. However, the father draws ALL men. God says He sent His son for all to be saved. We CANNOT come without a work of the spirit; HOWEVER, every single man is given this work of the spirit and He can either accept or reject it. As for romans 3, once again very correct. Question, would you say that Paul sought God? Well of course paul and the apostles sought God, and so did David. God called David a man after His own heart. So what could paul be saying in this verse? You can take three views; either paul is being hyperbolic, or Paul is saying that unbelievers do not seek God; or paul IS saying that noone in their sinful state accepts God; but that does not mean that God cannot draw that person too Him and give that man the opportunity to turn. So none of these verses prove your theology; and I think it's dangerous to attempt to confuse this sister on the grace of God and His character; as it has lead to countless deconversions of Christians who view God as a cosmic evil; decreetive of all evil.
I was somewhat taken aback at Romans 12:3 recently, which says that God gives 'a measure of faith to people'. I had considered faith to be largely within of our own agency. Any ideas here?
Hey Jason! Your video was shared with me and I just finished watching this part 1. I’m encouraged to see you studying scripture deeply and wrestling with these big doctrines! Our understanding of scripture and walk with Christ truly unfolds over a lifetime. I’m interested to hear what you have to say and I look forward to watching the other 4 parts. It’s a brave thing to put yourself “in the arena” of TH-cam theology debates! Haha. I’m glad that you see this as a healthy debate with brothers in Christ. Men who have poured out their lives to study the scriptures as you are striving to do. Albeit reaching different convictions.
Thanks for the encouragement brother! I greatly appreciate it!
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I’m curious what ur thoughts are on NASB and LSB since they have a closer “word for word” interpretation of gods word. It sounds like Calvinism has a case if these two translations have a good reputation.
Great video. Alana L sent me!
What bible version that you can suggest that is not calvinism?
I am not sure which translation has not been affected. Seems like each translation has at least some Calvinist on the committee. I use the NKJV and KJV the most.
thank you for making this video. I was a Calvinist in my Undergraduate program, and then after having a long inner conflict and many hours of reading Romans and other texts, I eventually was able to read these texts without a Calvinist lens anymore. Not that I despise Calvinism, but I certainly did have a lens by which I read these texts. And im so thankful I have bifocal vision when reading these texts now. I can see both sides. So I ended up not being a Calvinist anymore because the certainty I thought I had was no longer so certain.
Im so thankful to be more Gospel centered now. I can link arms with my Calvinist brothers and we can preach the gospel together even though we disagree.
@@peterh.8027 ...how are you actually "more Gospel centered now"?
Thank you for all your Biblical texts! I've been creating a spreadsheet of proof texts that help me sort categories of subjects. I left Calvinism that I was raised in after 30 years, and I appreciate you and your teachings! May God continue to bless you and your work ❤
Thank you so much for the comment! Praise God for His grace to you over your journey!
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Many thanks from Denver North Carolina
There’s some delightful Christians within Calvinism, but I believe they stay because they haven’t yet fully explored what it actually teaches. I hope and pray that more people carefully compare this doctrine to scripture and find freedom in Christ 🙏🕊️
Excellent video and concisely edited. Thank you for your hard work and study, brother!
Something I learned from Frank Turek was….NEVER read a Bible verse. Why? The Bible wasn’t written in verses, verses were added later to help us navigate the scriptures. We must read passages as a whole, just as they were written as a whole point altogether, hence context is so important.
I've always thought Calvinism quite suspect -- simple baptist churches do me fine
Very insightful... I used to be Dutch Reformed, the oldest denomination in America. I never looked back since I left 🥳🥳🥳 The only problem with this video is the annoying background music. Would those who like background music not be able to listen if there's no background music? If they are able to listen without background music, I can't see why presentations can't be done without music.
Thanks for your deep dive into this very important subject!!!
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Thank God for Dr. Leighton Flowers’ TH-cam channel, Soteriology101, and my deep dive into the various bible translations. Your video affirms what I have studied and learned. Thank God also for my godly parents, who were both Sunday School teachers and studied the Word of God with me when I was growing up. They taught me to be a good Berean.
If you don't believe in Calvinism it simply means that you don't fully understand Calvinism.
Not even Paul who was a well educated Theologian came to the knowledge of Christ through his own intellect or self reasoning.
He needed a miraculous encounter with Jesus on the Demascus Road who transformed him instantly.
John 3:3 AMP
[3] Jesus answered him, “I assure you and most solemnly say to you, unless a person is born again [reborn from above-spiritually transformed, renewed, sanctified], he cannot [ever] see and experience the kingdom of God.”
You can't even see the Kingdom let alone enter it UNLESS you are first born from above.
Regeneration first. Don't fool yourself, you living in a dream world if you believe you can enter the Kingdom through your intellect.
I came out of Arminianism and Landed on Reformed Theology after wrestling with the scriptures for years, im interested in hearing your story...
The two theologies are quite similar. Many people unfortunately think those are the only two acceptable options.
@@jordandthornburgthat’s what Calvinist tell people, “you’re with us or you’re an arminian man centered theology semi-Pelagian.”
I looked into Lutheranism and it seems the most biblical.
@@Solideogloria00 Lutheranism is Calvinism lite and is just even more inconsistent Calvinism. I recommend ditching the whole TULIP system. That is much closer to the biblical message.
@@Solideogloria00Yes, I have observed those in Calvinism/Reformed theology divide believers and label them, many times inaccurately. That is like saying, "If it's not a dog, it must be a cat." This is presupposing that there are only 2 options. I am neither Calvinist nor Arminian. I believe that Jesus died for ALL, that man has a free will, but I also hold to eternal security. 😉 I'd probably be in line with provisionist views (Leighton Flowers).
I listened to the audio Bible. It takes about 80 hours. Listen to it start to finish. It's an amazing journey. If you do this and then think God is a Calvinist you are out of your mind.
This was great :) thank you
You might have experienced some fear but if found this a comfort
Great and reasonable video. Here is an excerpt from Tom Hicks of Founders Ministries. What do you think of that?
"Under the guise of upholding Sola Scriptura, many Christians today seek to read the Bible independently and come to their own private conclusions about what it means without consulting the church’s authorized teachers or the orthodox confessions of faith. But that’s not what Sola Scriptura historically meant. Scripture teaches that the church is the “pillar and support of the truth” (1 Tim 3:15). The church as a whole is charged with interpreting the Bible, and God has authorized teachers in the church throughout history. Therefore, while every individual Christian is responsible to understand Scripture for himself, no Christian should study the Bible without any consideration of what the great teachers of the past have taught about the Bible."
Thank you so much for this video. I have listened to so many former calvinists, but never heard clearly that total depravity is really the "first domino" on which the rest of the doctrine depends. This is very helpful for speaking with our calvinist brothers and sisters.
Clearly!? Not even close. This 1/5 video was horrendous.
@sweethometreasures, Definitely there are some people that are totally depraved and cannot be saved and Christ did no die for them, they are what the bible called reprobates.. Jesus gave His Life only for the Elect...God indeed predestined all the elect to be saved even before they are born and predestined all the reprobates for damnation even before they are born.. That is what Jesus revealed in the Parable of Wheat and Tares.. Example of those predestined to be saved can be found in Acts 13:48 NLT which says: "When the Gentiles heard this, they were very glad and thanked the Lord for his message; and all who were chosen for eternal life became believers."
Note: This Gentiles who heard the gospel for the first time were already chosen for eternal life, even before they hear the gospel and believed..
Example of those predestined for damnation can be found in John 8:44-45 where Jesus said: "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not."
Awwww man! Look who it is! Looking forward to watching this video!
Give it another few years and you might start to see it as a primary issue.
Absolutely it is baseline building block primary issue. Amen
We should distinguish between it being of primary importance while also acknowledging some self professed Calvinists can be saved. Both can be true. I view Calvinism itself as a fundamentally different religion though.
Humanity is not good, and in of himself will not choose God, for there is not one that seeks God no not one.
I tried and tried to be Calvinist. All my friends are. Not only tulip. But Michael Servetus just was a brick wall.
DW: I think you will eventually find - Calvinism's TULIP was created by Calvinists as a strategy to obfuscate the TRUE underlying doctrine.
The "T" in Calvinism's TULIP for example - functions as a lie of omission. A lie of omission is communication designed to mislead - by strategically obfuscating critical facts which if not obfuscated would not mislead.
The critical fact which the "T" strategically attempts to obfuscate - is the fact that per the doctrine - the state of every man's nature - at every nano-second in time - is 100% meticulously predestined - and at every nano-second in time - cannot possibly be other than what it was decreed to infallibly be.
The "T" in the TULIP is designed to FALSELY attribute man's nature and thus man's eternal destiny to his condition.
When the TRUTH is - both man's nature - at every nano-second in time - as well as his eternal destiny are fixed by infallible decree before man is created.
The key to understanding Calvinism - is to learn to see how the TULIP and other Calvinist strategies are designed to obfuscate the underlying doctrine - and to paint FALSE PICTURES which are designed to make Calvinism acceptable.
This is great, Jason! I look forward to the rest of the series!
Calvinists are themselves uncomfortable with their own doctrine - because the doctrine entails a "good-evil" DUALISM
Where good and evil are "Co-Equal", "Co-Complimentary", and "Co-Necessary".
Calvinists call the doctrine - a doctrine of "grace" as a way to obfuscate the "evil" side of the doctrine.
It is actually a doctrine of "Good-Evil"
But they are uncomfortable with the "Evil" aspect of the doctrine
So they quite naturally obfuscate it.
But it is plainly the case that it is a DUALISTIC doctrine of "Good-Evil"
And that is why - so many things within Calvinism - appear in the form of "Antithetical" (Good-Evil) pairs.
Calvin's god has DUALISTIC wills.
He has an ENUNCIATED will - and an SECRET will which is in most cases the opposite of his ENUNCIATED will
When the two wills are in opposition to each other - the ENUNCIATED will functions as a FALSE REPRESENTATION of the SECRET will.
Calvin's god desires "ALL" men saved
Calvin's god desires "ALL" men damned
Calvin's god has a primary provision for mankind - which is to creat them for damnation for his good pleasure
Calvin's god has a secondary provision for mankind - which is to save a few from his primary provision.
These - and many more - are examples - of the DUALISTIC nature of the doctrine.
Calvinists theologians have made Calvinism unfalsifiable and, therefore, unable to be tested to see if it is of God:
2 types of God's Will:
Will of decree vs Permissive Will
2 types of God's love:
General Love vs. Salvific Love
2 types of faith in God:
Non-salvific Faith vs. Salvific Faith
2 types of God's calling:
General Call vs. Effectual Call
2 types of death & resurrection:
Non-atoning sacrifice for the Reprobate vs. Atoning sacrifice for the elect.
2 types of God's grace:
General Grace vs. Irresistible Grace
Their implications generate a false god who commands obedience, but has SECRETELY decreed DISOBEDIENCE, for the GOOD PLEASURE of His Will to glorify Himself.
I enjoyed this video very much. I just stepped down as a PCA elder for this very reason. It's been difficult but necessary. BTW - I tried going to the webiste listed in the "about" section of your YT page but it won't open?
Hey brother, thanks for sharing…I will be praying for your transition. The website link is an automated copy and paste that directs to a website no longer in use. I need to update the auto add and remove that link.
Have you read the foundation of Augustinian Calvinism by Dr. Ken Wilson? Never mind. I got to the part in the video where you showed the book. It’s very good.
Agreed
It was a great read!
Asserting TULIP causes a disparity between Paul and Christ in Romans 9:1-3. Dropping TULIP causes this disparity to disappear. The only other option is to do what most calvinsits do, which is to downplay the significance of the disparity and rationalize why it's ok for Paul's Holy Spirit inspired words to be incongruent with the love of Christ.
I have to disagree with you on one of the first things you said - that this isn't a primary issue. I think it absolutely is, it hits right at the heart of what the gospel even *is* and thereby also says something about who Jesus Christ is and what he did. And the version of Jesus' work & the Gospel that Calvinism teaches is completely wrong, it's a different gospel - and honestly isn't even a gospel at all, because there is no good news in Calvinism, for anyone. Even the elect, the only "good news" is that they're elect. There is no good news in reference to the death and resurrection of Jesus, because it doesn't really change anything about the status of the elect or non-elect in Calvinism, because they were already elect before the foundation of the world - their salvation was supposedly secured outside of Christ, if you think about it. How does that fit with the gospel, then? It doesn't. And for any given lost person, the death & resurrection of Jesus isn't good news for them if they're not elect, it's really bad news or no news, because they're without hope regardless. And it's not good news for an elect person either, because they're elect regardless as well. Nothing has any effect on that. It's a different gospel too, than "Christ tasted death for every man," "for God so loved the world," and "the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ according to the scriptures," because their version differs from the scriptures. It's not the gospel - but claims to be - so, it is 100% a primary issue and doesn't get much more primary than this.
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Friend, around 23:00 you say “why does God talk to Cain as if he could rule over his sin if he could not actually rule over his sin?”
Do you mean to say that with enough willpower, that Cain could live a sinlessly perfect life?
For the Lazarus problem, what do you think about the Valley of Dry bones? Did the bones speak to themselves to get up? Or did God speak?
Thanks for the question and seeking clarification. I see God giving Cain an opportunity to choose to do what is righteous. Not that Cain has any righteousness within himself that he can muster up himself… but that Cain could choose to respond positively to the righteous One (that being God) and obey God. 1 Sam 15:22 says obedience is better than sacrifice. The emphasis is we can choose to walk in obedience. This does not make anyone righteous in the sense that we are now put in a right position with God. We are sinful, miss the mark, and fall short all the time…needing His grace. But just as Abraham believed (he trusted) in the words of God and trusted in God, and his faith was credited to him as righteousness because he was placing his trust and faith in the One who is righteous. When Jesus came He says in John 14:1 “you believe in God believe also in Me.”
Ability to walk in obedience, and trust in the Lord, is not only given to the elect. In His mercy He gives that ability for all…sadly, though most suppress the truth in unrighteousness.
I could say more. But don’t have the time to right now. I’ll have to address your Lazarus point later also. My apologies.
Pelagius was not Pelagian. Augustine trumped up charges against him, but he was found to not be guilty of heresy twice. Dr Ali Bonner wrote a book about this.
Hi, your video appeared at the top of my TH-cam page and I am very glad that it did. I've been watching a lot of videos refuting Calvinism. This video is helping to put more pieces together. It is academic content presented in a non-academic way. *Thank you.* I also like the gentle way you do it. Unfortunately there are some good presentations done by people who are a bit aggressive-sounding, which may just be due to their frustration about the way Calvinism has become so prevalent.
Sorry, this isn't academic at all. It's abysmal.