But the best thrower ever is no doubt Aaron Rodgers ! Puts it on the money everytime, not to mention he has the best passer rating percentage in Nfl history 🏈
@@rampageblackston4926 not for nothing but PFF has Allen the #1 deep ball thrower in the league over the last 2 seasons and #1 of passes 20+ yards down field
And it’s really not even close, Allen’s arm strength is once in multi-generations. We’ve never seen an arm like Allen’s and may possibly never see it again…
@@connerbrosstudios1497 umm… This year literally proved what u said incorrect.. IND, MIN, DET.. and he ranks 4th in pure passing situations since 2019…
That was an awesome throw. Watch this one by Stafford, had me mind blown: th-cam.com/video/1M5Gk5MZFI4/w-d-xo.html at 1:23:37 You owe it to yourself to watch it!
Herbert at 4? Ridiculous. He and Allen should be battling for the top spot. Mahomes at 3, because he can also do it going backwards without a solid base. Rodgers over Stafford, because like Mahomes, Rodgers doesn't need a solid base; Stafford does.
@@codyviera92 very impressive, but we're talking pure arm strength. Total, including efficient torque with body, maybe Mahomes is #1, but just pure arm strength, I think Allen and Herbert are a bit stronger.
All NFL QB's can throw 65 yard Hail Mary. In the video it doesn't show Rodgers falling backwards, just saying. The completion of a Hail Mary is more on the receiver than on the QB.
@@billyhennessee7192 Exactly. Any National Football League quarterback can throw it 60+ yards almost falling backwards. Even the 4th string quarterback on every team can do that. It is all the little things that take into effect. Brady is still #1 considering he has thrown the ball the fastest this season with little arm mechanic movement but most of his throws are in his legs. Plenty of examples for Brady I can pull up but not really anyone else.
Rodgers talent level is once in a lifetime type stuff. People are baffled he hasn’t even been to another super bowl, he really should have atleast 3 by now.
@@TheD1345 Totally agree. GB is the issue not Rodgers. Yet people want to blame the QB for everything or praise him. I really wish SBs were downplayed for individual players in the ultimate team sport. We are insulting great men/athletes all because they don’t have a piece of hardware.
Josh Allen does have the strongest arm, the play you want to look at is the 2nd TD to Knox in the Wild Card round, just a fast ball in a window that was closing
Herbert 4th and 21 against the Raiders. Last play of regular in that same game threading it between 2 DBs. Maybe I biased oh well but Allen is my 2nd favorite QB in league to me they’re 1A 1B.
@@Coltonjames15 lol ok, Herbert as a Rookie in his FIRST game getting a heads 5 minutes before the game took Mahomes & the chiefs (defending SB champs at the time) to OT. THEN beat him the next time they play IN ARROWHEAD and would’ve beaten him again at SoFi if Staley wasn’t so aggressive. But yea believe what you want buddy, act like Herbert is a scrub.
Strongest arm is not a subjective matter. I would love to see the top 5 or 10 QBs line up in a dome and throw the ball as far as they can to settle it. The same with fastest player in the NFL.
The Chiefs have the best offense in the league for next season. Change my opinion. - Mahomes - Juju Smith Schuster - Marquez Valdes-Scantling - Skayy Moore - Travis Kelce
Allen is better than mahomes, diggs is better than juju and sky and so is gabe Davis with the playoffs td record. Oh and we got Dawson Knox a top 5 TE easy. And also Isaiah McKenzie singletary and now James cook and khalil shakir. Keep your bias to yourself. Bills are easily the best in the nfl with the better o-line as well. We will see this year
@@jb1611 Wilson has thrown 60 deep TD passes since 2016, which is 11 more than any other QB, and he has 5,744 deep yards in that time, which is 1,085 more than any other QB as well.
@Gabe Gibson dude was 10 TD 1 INT before he fractured a finger on a freak injury last year. On a crap team. You people throw out the washed label too easily
Okay completely disregarding accuracy, the strongest arms (velocity) in 2022 are: 1. Allen 2. Mahomes 3. Herbert 4. Rodgers (accurate yes, skeptical on velocity at this age tbh) 5. Fields HM: Kyler, Stafford, Russ
@Damien Dame DOLLA yes, go look at his throw up the middle to Jimmy Graham against the steelers or his deep ball to Mooney against the lions. Just one example. You can also check his college film out specifically the game against Clemson. Shows both the deep ball and velocity on shorter throws
Idk arm talent can go to Josh Allen as well.. Dude has the best post season runs in statistics wise passing Joe Montana with his stats. People act like Josh allen doesn't have our of this world arm talent. But you are entitled to your opinion. Allen has the best arm talent to me.
@@colcasey3853 Naw you are insanely uneducated. Allen has the BEST PLAYOFF RUNS. PERFECT GAMES. I'm still putting Allen as the beat arm talent. I know you don't want to hear it, that's fine I could care less if you have Rodgers or mahomes as #1. All are great but Allen has the beat arm talent and arm strength. I watch him every game. Nobody will change my mind on that so you mine as well keep it to yourself lmao
@@colcasey3853 Also "A bit more accurate" is a understatement first and foremost. Josh Allen a 149.0 passing rating this postseason is the highest in NFL HISTORY for a single postseason. The previous record was Joe Montana with 146.4 mark in the 1989 playoffs.
Mahomes has the highest velocity recorded at the combine if you want to get technical . That being said I think Allen pry can throw harder, hard to say unless they do a competition. Mahomes threw a mid 90s fastball as an 18 year old but Allen is a monster of a guy. I'm not sure how some of you fans can definitively say Herbert or Allen is better than Mahomes. Neither of them has beat him in a playoff game and Herbert still hasn't made a playoff game. They are all really freaking good mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Lamar, watson and Wilson are all in the afc, it's going to be a great year in football.
Allen's long ball aren't timed right yet... he by far has the fastest release speed... it was measurement at around 70 MPh... Mahomes was like 65 ish... but yes Mahomes and Rogers have better timing on long balls...
Allen tries really hard to not overthrow. His first year he would launch 70 yard bombs like nothing and constantly over throw his WR. He’s gotten better with his timing
He can throw farther than them, but he's cautious when it comes to overthrowing because he's learned since his rookie season when he would overthrow all the time
I want to see him really uncork one before he gets number one. Rodgers and his off-platform throws of perfection and his 60 yard hail Mary's with enough arch in them, you know he's closer to 80 yards+
What the nfl should do is bring back all those competitions they used to have at the pro bowl. I loved watching those more than the actual game.
Yeah something similar to the javelin throw but QBs throwing a football as far as they could.
I agree. They was fun to watch
Make the pro bowl great again
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@@devinwayne89 it was great this year in Sin City
They need to bring back the throwing competition
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But the best thrower ever is no doubt Aaron Rodgers ! Puts it on the money everytime, not to mention he has the best passer rating percentage in Nfl history 🏈
Dan Marino
Actually mahomes does
Allen, Mahomes, Herbert are the top 3 without question
I’d take russel Wilson’s deep ball over all of them. Those guys needs great players around them Russ doesn’t
@@rampageblackston4926 stay off the drugs buddy
@@rampageblackston4926 not for nothing but PFF has Allen the #1 deep ball thrower in the league over the last 2 seasons and #1 of passes 20+ yards down field
@@rampageblackston4926 lmfao
@@rampageblackston4926 he has the best deep ball. Not the strongest arm
And it’s really not even close, Allen’s arm strength is once in multi-generations. We’ve never seen an arm like Allen’s and may possibly never see it again…
Bro, why is Josh Rosen not on there. He is literally the best quarterback of all time. And he can really throw the ball far.
Its qbs right now
@@carterprieto3765 what do you mean
I hope you're exaggerating his greatness.
@@wifehaver6973 no I'm not 😉😉😉
Couldn’t agree more like what kinda list is this they also forgot Nathan Peterman and trace mcsorely
1.Allen 2.Herbert 3.Mahomes 4.T.Lawrence 5.Lamar/Rodgers
My Top 5:
1.Allen
2. Herbert
3.Mahomes
4.Rodgers
5. Stafford
Wilson deep ball? Hell nah he better than allen lmao
@@206-c9h LMAO you have jokes
Drew lock? Top 1
@@killerkhye I genuinely csnt tell if you're joking, but you better be.
@@206-c9h You're a funny guy🤣
Rodgers is stil number one when combining pure strength accrucy he is the best ever
Then that’s mahomes you mean
Lamar’s arm is underrated, he threw a ball perfectly while his arm was hit by miles garret
FR
When he is forced to pass he can't do it.
@@connerbrosstudios1497 explain and show me video proof
@@connerbrosstudios1497 umm… This year literally proved what u said incorrect.. IND, MIN, DET.. and he ranks 4th in pure passing situations since 2019…
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Micheal vick in his prime throws lasers over 50 yards
Vick today actually
Josh Allen 💯
Yessssss Stafford made the list y’all gone out some respect on my boys name 💪🏾
Josh Allen 100% has the strongest arm
2020 Bills @ Broncos: Allen to Kumerow TD
Probably the hardest thrown laser I ever seen!
I remember that throw live. It was a dime on a rope!
That was an awesome throw. Watch this one by Stafford, had me mind blown: th-cam.com/video/1M5Gk5MZFI4/w-d-xo.html at
1:23:37
You owe it to yourself to watch it!
Mahomes throwing the ball 69 yards through the air ( Nice) to hill vs falcons
I went to school with kumerow
Herbert at 4? Ridiculous. He and Allen should be battling for the top spot. Mahomes at 3, because he can also do it going backwards without a solid base. Rodgers over Stafford, because like Mahomes, Rodgers doesn't need a solid base; Stafford does.
Mahomes is 1 and here's the proof. th-cam.com/video/x6gGwAKqewE/w-d-xo.html
@@codyviera92 very impressive, but we're talking pure arm strength. Total, including efficient torque with body, maybe Mahomes is #1, but just pure arm strength, I think Allen and Herbert are a bit stronger.
Well put all 3 are freaks
Aaron Rodgers easily, he can throw 60+ yards falling backwards just look at the highlights.
And lose to Jimmy G in the playoffs 😮💨
@@arnavmathur1404 and jimmy g and the rest of the 49ers on the couch as well the next week
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All NFL QB's can throw 65 yard Hail Mary. In the video it doesn't show Rodgers falling backwards, just saying. The completion of a Hail Mary is more on the receiver than on the QB.
@@billyhennessee7192 Exactly. Any National Football League quarterback can throw it 60+ yards almost falling backwards. Even the 4th string quarterback on every team can do that. It is all the little things that take into effect. Brady is still #1 considering he has thrown the ball the fastest this season with little arm mechanic movement but most of his throws are in his legs. Plenty of examples for Brady I can pull up but not really anyone else.
tua snubbed man this is crazy
@melinda ratio
LMAO
Josh Allen 1
I was fine until he said Dak 💀
Zach Wilson let’s be real he ain’t the most polished and accurate
But the kids got a cannon
Note the arc of Allen's throws vs everyone else. 60 yards on a rope. No contest.
For real man I once saw Allen throw moving backwards with just arm and it was a 40 yard laser that was a straight line
Props to the camera man for keeping up with the ball in the air
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HERBERT HAS THE BEST ARM
Without a doubt!
Nah man, Josh bro, the wildcard throw was a dime on the rope.
@@wifehaver6973 Herbert dime vs giants
@@wifehaver6973 You haven’t seen this? It’s one of many…
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No it’s josh or pat
As a dolphins fan. Ahhhh, seeing herbert throw these deep bombs hurts my football heart & soul of what could've been lol
Can’t Rodgers get the respect he deserves without someone bringing up SBs??? This it’s ridiculous.
Rodgers talent level is once in a lifetime type stuff. People are baffled he hasn’t even been to another super bowl, he really should have atleast 3 by now.
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@@TheD1345 Totally agree. GB is the issue not Rodgers. Yet people want to blame the QB for everything or praise him. I really wish SBs were downplayed for individual players in the ultimate team sport. We are insulting great men/athletes all because they don’t have a piece of hardware.
No Russell Wilson
My Top 5
5. Matthew stafford
4. Aaron Rodgers
3. Justin Herbert
2. Patrick mahomes
1 (my favorite in the league) josh Allen
Russell wilson is definitely top 5
I once saw russ threw a fking 70 yards bomb with ease he just doesn't have the time to do it often
Yeah he’s so underrated for what concerns arm strenght
@@armandolandomarinelli5087 he has a strong arm
@@theyoungone5034 not everybody recognises it, I do
He is best deep ball accuracy but not best strong arm
@@tolen1689 but he is too 5 tho
Peter killed it tbh
Josh Allen does have the strongest arm, the play you want to look at is the 2nd TD to Knox in the Wild Card round, just a fast ball in a window that was closing
Herbert 4th and 21 against the Raiders. Last play of regular in that same game threading it between 2 DBs. Maybe I biased oh well but Allen is my 2nd favorite QB in league to me they’re 1A 1B.
Mahomes threw the ball 69 yards in the air in a preseason game vs Atalanta 4 years ago
@@scruffd0g193 nice
@@kingjames9224 Herbert does not have a stronger arm then mahomes and I’m tired of these two being compared mahomes is way better
@@Coltonjames15 lol ok, Herbert as a Rookie in his FIRST game getting a heads 5 minutes before the game took Mahomes & the chiefs (defending SB champs at the time) to OT. THEN beat him the next time they play IN ARROWHEAD and would’ve beaten him again at SoFi if Staley wasn’t so aggressive. But yea believe what you want buddy, act like Herbert is a scrub.
Herbert #1
Herbert top 3
Here is the real list
1. Justin herbert
2. Patrick mahomes
3. Josh allen
4. Aaron rodgers
5. Russell wilson
ur sped
Hell no
Goofy
🧢
Even your keyboard is giving you typos because it knows this list is trash
Bills Mafia On Top!! Let's Go Buffalo!!
Herbert should be #2
No
Jameis Winston on this list next year
How?? Is he magically going to learn to throw a ball further than any other time in his career?
@@qjju2389 he already has a top 5 arm just doesn’t get the credit for it. Only played 7 games last year.
Throwing to a receiver? No. To the benches, yes.
Strongest arm is not a subjective matter. I would love to see the top 5 or 10 QBs line up in a dome and throw the ball as far as they can to settle it. The same with fastest player in the NFL.
Arm strength is important, i wish they would throw as far as they can in the combine and measure it like a 40 yard dash
Herbert’s 1 or 2
Strong but not that strong
@@Madbox09 Dude, watch his best throws you'll see, his arm is as strong as anybody in this league.
@@elijahwise3060 allen can throw it way more ways than herbert,herbert dont get great protection forget about it
@@sal4856 Chill with the protection, it's really just the RT that's really bad. The LT is top 10.
@@Madbox09 You obviously have not seen Herbert play much.
The Chiefs have the best offense in the league for next season. Change my opinion.
- Mahomes
- Juju Smith Schuster
- Marquez Valdes-Scantling
- Skayy Moore
- Travis Kelce
All that to lose to the Bengals by a field goal…
Allen is better than mahomes, diggs is better than juju and sky and so is gabe Davis with the playoffs td record. Oh and we got Dawson Knox a top 5 TE easy. And also Isaiah McKenzie singletary and now James cook and khalil shakir. Keep your bias to yourself. Bills are easily the best in the nfl with the better o-line as well. We will see this year
Bengals and raiders are better too.
@@benjiscags2088 Raiders? OMG... The fight is between Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, Dolphins, Packers and Bucs... (QB, WR, TE and OL)
The receiving core is weaker than other teams… Mahomes had some turnover issues, and losing his first target can’t benefit for sure
Leaving Russell Wilson off this list has to be a joke. Best deep ball thrower in the game by a mile.
u sound crazy
@@jb1611 Wilson has thrown 60 deep TD passes since 2016, which is 11 more than any other QB, and he has 5,744 deep yards in that time, which is 1,085 more than any other QB as well.
@@gigiknappe6057 when where mahomes and Allen drafted?
Best deep baller and strongest arm two different categories
@Gabe Gibson dude was 10 TD 1 INT before he fractured a finger on a freak injury last year. On a crap team. You people throw out the washed label too easily
Allen #1 yeahhh
Nobody threw a ball harder in history than Favre. He was famous for breaking his receivers fingers.
Stafford throws are just wild
I do not disagree with this list. Well done 👍
Russell got a better arm than Kyle.
I Love You NFL
Can you do five worst arms and put Tua at number 1 for worst arm. It's so much fun though to watch any of these qbs throw deep. A sight to see
#2 can be jimmmy g
Okay completely disregarding accuracy, the strongest arms (velocity) in 2022 are:
1. Allen
2. Mahomes
3. Herbert
4. Rodgers (accurate yes, skeptical on velocity at this age tbh)
5. Fields
HM: Kyler, Stafford, Russ
@Damien Dame DOLLA yes, go look at his throw up the middle to Jimmy Graham against the steelers or his deep ball to Mooney against the lions. Just one example. You can also check his college film out specifically the game against Clemson. Shows both the deep ball and velocity on shorter throws
Allen Herbert Mahomes is the top 3
russ Wilson has a cannon too
Rodgers has a better arm than mahomes , it’s just mahomes been more noticed
Facts, so does Herbert. Mahomes is 4th at best
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@@jacksondavies1451 exactly , rodgers just a bad mannnnnnn
Where's Russell Wilson though? 🤔
Amazing Plays👍👏🏈!
Baker needs to be on here
😂
Nice
I 100% agree with his number one pick. 🚀
Strongest arm ever that was a starter for at least 1 season in NFL would be Bobby Douglas
Josh Allen has the strongest arm no debate arm talent goes to Rodgers or mahomes
Idk arm talent can go to Josh Allen as well.. Dude has the best post season runs in statistics wise passing Joe Montana with his stats. People act like Josh allen doesn't have our of this world arm talent. But you are entitled to your opinion. Allen has the best arm talent to me.
@@ruffbuffwest7169 Stop. No one has more arm talent than mahomes and rogers, don't try to put allen there cause he has gotten a bit more accurate
@@colcasey3853 Naw you are insanely uneducated. Allen has the BEST PLAYOFF RUNS. PERFECT GAMES. I'm still putting Allen as the beat arm talent. I know you don't want to hear it, that's fine I could care less if you have Rodgers or mahomes as #1. All are great but Allen has the beat arm talent and arm strength. I watch him every game. Nobody will change my mind on that so you mine as well keep it to yourself lmao
@@colcasey3853 Also "A bit more accurate" is a understatement first and foremost. Josh Allen a 149.0 passing rating this postseason is the highest in NFL HISTORY for a single postseason. The previous record was Joe Montana with 146.4 mark in the 1989 playoffs.
@@colcasey3853 probably a pats fan lol
Mahomes has the highest velocity recorded at the combine if you want to get technical . That being said I think Allen pry can throw harder, hard to say unless they do a competition. Mahomes threw a mid 90s fastball as an 18 year old but Allen is a monster of a guy. I'm not sure how some of you fans can definitively say Herbert or Allen is better than Mahomes. Neither of them has beat him in a playoff game and Herbert still hasn't made a playoff game. They are all really freaking good mahomes, Allen, Herbert, Burrow, Lamar, watson and Wilson are all in the afc, it's going to be a great year in football.
NFL brings a smile to my day 😃❤️
Are you acting like one of those spam bots for likes 💀
@@AK.CC1 no it does
@@AK.CC1 and why are u always Here when I say something 💀
@@joshyeditz2 I just clicked on this video and I saw your comment first 😂
@@AK.CC1 lol
Why is Vick not on here 😁😁
1. Mitchell Trubiskey
2. Josh Rosen
3. Andy Dalton
4. Dak Prescott
5. Carson Wentz
You are kidding, right?
@@connerbrosstudios1497 lol yes just trolling. As long as Dak not on the list I’m good.
@@chrissantos3872 you scared me for a minute there!
@@chrissantos3872 I would have put Russell Wilson though.
Notice how most of them are from the rams.
Rodgers threw the longest on film pass in NFL history (73 yards) while running to his left.
usually there’s no situation where that needs to happen in the nfl
@@LxckyHandlez right but most people cannot throw 70 even in throwing competitions.
@@andrewferris8169 mahomes and allen definitely could
@@LxckyHandlez absolutely, they can throw 77-78 in competitive situations. I agree with the list. Rodgers is definelty 3rd.
@@andrewferris8169 Didn't Baker throw the longest ball in history during the Ravens game?
Jacob Eason has the strongest arm in the nfl. He’s not a starting caliber nfl qb but he does have the strongest arm.
Ngl, Baker Mayfield has a cannon of an arm himself.
Not good enough though.
Jamies Winston
kirk cousins has a good arm! good accuracy too
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Your a joke emily
😭😭😭😭😭
Baker mayfield number 4
Herbert has the strongest arm in the NFL. Allen might be tied for first. But Herbert's arm is stronger than Mahomes, Rodgers or Stafford.
Lol
This is why you stay off drugs
Bruh Baker's arm is literally stronger that his lol!
How is Baker not on this list. Everyone will hate on him but he’s got a gun
It does not matter if it is picked, Josh Rosen had a good arm.
Just forget Jameis Winston can’t throw 80+ yards.
Where’s Russell Wilson?
I Love Patrick Mahomes Who Has The Strongest Arm As The Best Quarterback In The NFL.
Agreed
Strong arms don't matter.... Give me accuracy a Joe Montana, Steve Young, Tom Brady, Drew Breese, Kurt Warner, Tua T, Chad Pennington etc
Allen has the strongest arm barely but Mahomes and rogers are easily way more accurate with the deep ball
Peter was jizzing himself talking about stat padford
Wait till they see Trey Lance
lol i jus wrote that
Tua better be up here
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wait til they see trey Lance's arm 💪
All that inaccuracy
@@jacksonmarshall4001 who's ur team?
Velocity is by far Allen, distance would be Rodgers or Mahomes
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What are you talking about? Allen is #1 in velocity and distance?
This comment makes no sense
TREVOR LAWRENCE ALL DAY!!!!
😂
@@IAmThatRaiderGirl That laugh must've been for your profile pix🤔..
@@IAmThatRaiderGirl what's funny?
5 should be Derek carr
hell ya 💯
Nah carf is middle of the pack
Herb easily top 3
Harron is getting old. Forget about him. Now, the greatest arm is Patrick the Great. MaShaAllah
Is this list came out before Stafford was on the Rams, he wouldn't even be mentioned lol
JAYBO
I agree with this list but Mahomes-Rodgers are 1a-1b every Josh Allen highlight was short of his receiver
Allen's long ball aren't timed right yet... he by far has the fastest release speed... it was measurement at around 70 MPh... Mahomes was like 65 ish... but yes Mahomes and Rogers have better timing on long balls...
Allen tries really hard to not overthrow. His first year he would launch 70 yard bombs like nothing and constantly over throw his WR. He’s gotten better with his timing
He can throw farther than them, but he's cautious when it comes to overthrowing because he's learned since his rookie season when he would overthrow all the time
I want to see him really uncork one before he gets number one.
Rodgers and his off-platform throws of perfection and his 60 yard hail Mary's with enough arch in them, you know he's closer to 80 yards+
But can any of them throw a football over them mountains? -Uncle Rico
Wentz got a top 5 arm
No one throws a better deep ball than Wilson & Rodgers
what happened to that mahomes v allen throw off 🤦🏽♂️
Yes seriously I need that
Mahomes 😱💪🏻
Yes
@@Coltonjames15 cannon hand 💪🏻👌🏻
Before Watching: Stafford Better Be on Here
Edit: He Actually Was 👏 👏 👏
Don’t disrespect drew lock like this. He’s top 3
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Can’t forget about good old Tom Brady
Trevor Lawrence is top 5 just don't have any deep threats last year
I've believing a feeling of the games of the year
Its so big
@Alan Estrada what did you do?
Id love to see them bring back pro bowl competition games.. farthest throw . Most accurate... Obstacle course... Etc
That might as well. It's basically a flag football game now so they should bring skills competition back