Tarisland 2nd beta is now out, however they have introduced some pay2win mechanics. Remember things can change until launch, lets give feedback and make sure they keep their promise of no pay2win! Will update you when we know more!
The real question is, can it be played as F2P? i mean is the obstacles are unfairly hard that without paying you are doomed? if not, next question, removing monetization from the equation, is the game fun? asking as mechanical, systematic wise, No. of defects...etc, is it fun and not buggy? if all these checks out, then why don't we play it until we hit the wall of P2P aka PVP and etc...
I played the CBT2 until level 20, then I saw the BP and Top up options. With how it can be turned into gold, makes it P2W. Oh well, I'm sad that the game went to this direction. I was so excited the promise of "No P2W" and was ready to sink my money for cosmetics.
Me too man. I was ready to ham with cosmetics. Like PoE does, f2p and only cosmetics. Some quality of life purchase stuff, but nothing crazy game breaking. This is honestly heartbreaking. They promised no p2w and this was their whole spiel
@@8bitchiptune420 this argument does not make sense. Comparison to a game wiith A LOT less players than it used to before they put P2W mechanics in the shop came about is the example you should be looking at. Yes the game didn't die. But can you still consider WoW a "Great" game in 2023? I don't think so.
@@titogeesoon How far you can "pay to win" in a mmorpg? Same as WoW, you can only use gold to pay for petty stuff, low-end gears. You still need to play the game to get the powerful gears same as Tarisland. Even in WoW, people don't need to buy gold with real money because you can get tonnes of them just by playing the game. That's why people don't bat an eye to anybody who buys the gold from the shop because that's a dumb thing to do.
another perspective: f2p players can buy the CBT benefits card through gold, instead of using real money. tbh whatever the devs do, whales will still end up having large amounts of gold because there will be gold sellers no matter what. at least in this game there is no straight up money gacha that will make your character stronger.
@@xkean why would you invest tons of hours, to obtain something that anyone can obtain in 2 minutes by swiping. not only that, but there will be no power/gear achievements that you can show off to others
@@isca10Damn, wait till you enter the real world. You're gonna be pissed when you find out people have more money and disposable income to buy shit they want and save time 😮
@@isca10 this is not 2000's anymore where majority of the players have lots of time to grind. Time = money, if you have time to grind good for you. If not atleast you have another option. Without advantage of $$$ the game will then cater to those who have more hours to spend playing. Is that fair? For someone who have a typical 9-5? Then there should also be a cap in progression like a 4-5 hours max playtime per day.
I'd rather pay an upfront sub fee (monthly, annually, etc) or spend money on the battle pass instead of being misled. I get the devs and board of directors need to make money but there has to be a more "fair" way to implement this. Hope this doesn't turn into anorher Diablo Immortal situation.
There's over 1million players of WoW daily and they pay 13 dollars per month for subscription and here you are complaining about their monetization. Game developers needs money in order to continue with their game and developments!
Wow is not p2w. Wow is p2p (pay to play). That's 2 different things. 1: everybody pays to play the same content, grind, and mechanics, 2: paying users get huge boost by paying cash and ruining in game economy.
The game is not just P2W its really expensive P2W, because there are so many passes with bonus EXP and Battlepass stuff + the battle pass is around 35 USD in my country which is insane, because usually they are around 5-20 USD.
If they cannot keep their promises before the game comes out after saying that there will be no p2w with such a precise language, this game will be completely filled with p2w content within the first 3 months. Even if they fix it, we have now seen that their intentions are corrupt and their promises are completely insincere, and nothing else matters anymore.
The elf messenger is just making it easier, even without the elf messenger , people can still sell golds through the auction house😂. Idk why people never said anything about that during CBT1
So the Recharge Announcement at login states that the total top-up amount (including top-up/CBT privilege card direct purchase) will be rebated as Crystals at 100% ratio at launch. Doesn't this imply the CBT card is only for closed beta and will not be there on launch? Otherwise, wouldn't they just allow the CBT Card to be activated on the account on launch?
I literally don't see that there are exclusive paying items and with improvements that only "come out" by paying, this is a complete P2F, but if you play you will still get the same as those who paid so I don't understand why so much complaining. e.e"
Saw you calling this out in the Discord yesterday, wanted to commend you for covering this and talking about it here. I think the more noise we make the better chance we have of them changing it!
Hello, didn't try the game yet but as far as I know p2w is when you have access to item as p2w that f2p can't gain, as someone who pay money in game you have to gain something in return don't think only costumes will keep those who pay spending , I think more gold is fine as long as there is no special shops or events for only paying players to get special items that give power advantage
Really disappointed they've made a complete U-turn on the "absolutely no P2W". It was obviously just a marketing scheme to get people interested in the game.
Tencent is making the game, so it's not surprising there is p2w elements. At the end of the day it's still a chinese mobile mmorpg with all the usual asian mmorpg elements just without any autoplay.
Great video Spid! I agree with you 100% and I think if they keep this item the game the simplest soulution would be to make it bind on purchase as all items in a cash shop sould be.
Really appreciate you making this video and explaining all this. I don't have a problem with games doing pay-2-win stuff, I just refuse to play them. But what really pisses me off is when a Dev treats gamers like we're stupid and try to hide things and lie to us. If this is indeed going to be in game at launch and not just a Closed Beta thing, then I will be sad and steer clear. Ever since I heard about this game I've been really hyped, but this is definitely a deal breaker for me.
Anyone who thought there was not going to be pay to win is on copium. - This is just their equivalent of wow tokens or runescape bonds. Or "cash shop" items that can be sold on the market place type system. - Funny they kept emphasizing not pay to win, how did people expect them to be profitable? A game backed by tencent no less. - They know full well what they are doing putting this in a closed beta and opening purchases no less. They will just try to justify their definition of "P2W".
Not to also mention its a ripped IP and like history shows of stealing IP they get taken down or dont expand to northern markets which then lose revenue and make separate versions for each region to avoid legal issues dividing the playerbase even more. Its a pump and dump be wary of spending money as they will not refund anything like other companies
Cosmetics/mounts/storage expansion/pets(even better if you can load them down with unwanted loot to sell in town while you continue exploring)/etc. THESE are things I'm ok with. Anything that can be used to buy the best gear/progression/etc is NOT ok and I won't be playing the game if any of that BS makes it into the official game release 🤦♀️
We just need to chill, it could be just a CBT thing. and if not we suggest they put a limit on how many Benefit Card you can buy so its controlled. Understand they still have to make money to keep the game going.
The elf transfer requires 10k minimum and i believe 10k is huge sum, if people making alt and keep selling vigor for golds, the marketprice for stuff will just go to rock bottom and it will take much more longer time to accumulate 10k gold. Oh well the easy solve to this outrage is they could just make the benefit card bound and not sellable and also remove the elf messenger and its all good
@@rks453210k gold is not hard to obtain. I've been casually on and off this game since CBT2 began yesterday and have almost 4k gold. Higher skills and end game content will like this even easier.
They've already released a statement. At least they now know that they have a different perspective about monetization. It's still in beta so lets just hope for the best.
Yeah I can see how things can get out of control real fast with this. Like you mentioned we are still in the beta so there’s hope that some things change. However, I will say this most mmos/open world games offer a battle pass/season pass, some of them monthly or every 60-90 days. We know that the “rewards” from these passes are cosmetics, rare items usually for crafting gear, buffs for exp boost, some form of extra bag or storage space and so on. These things aren’t bad as long as the price isn’t outrageous, the exp boost is usually something that caps between at 20-30% so it’s not out of this world. The beauty of this is that you don’t have to buy them it’s optional so there’s that. I get that there are some players that will abuse/take advantage of the p2w system but if you enjoy the game you can get the rare items it’s just going to take a bit longer. Not sure if things will change for the crafting but I suggest if you don’t want to spend extra money on the game to focus on building 1 character strictly for crafting. It may be tedious and boring but this will help you in the long run specially in the end game. You could even make some coin crafting items for other players lol, you can do the crafting as long as they provide the materials or make lots of coin if you happen to have all materials lol. Point is, crafting will be a big part of the game so don’t ignore it.
Only pay to win feature I’ll accept in this game is a battle pass and even with a battle pas they don’t have to add a lot off P2W item in them if they want to monetize so bad
No matter what the developers do, theres gonna be people claiming any small potential ideology to gain a benefit, however tiny or convenient - people will say its pay to win.
Well i dont think that was pay 2 win,it just give u gold and u can farm gold,for eq if u re lucky u can sell for gold,etc,its not that pay to win,all player still have same acces to all content just they re pay so they faster,just that this game alrrady did great job,what if they make pay2play instead?,will u pay to play,i dont think so
Spid thanks for making this video , if they want to monetize with p2w its their game they can every right to do it , the problem is they lied about it and hyped up a lot of people , anyway if its p2w im not going to play , seems like good game sad they destroyed it with p2w...
I guess they were just using the no p2w to get players hyped up about the game but hit us with the bait and switch for actual launch. its not even some pay 2 win elements which can be overlooked on a good game its literally you can buy EVERYTHING -_- games with player driven economy are the most fun and create a natural economy this messes everything up. KNOWN AS A P2W COMPANY CONTINUES TO DO P2W THINGS sad
lmao these companies need sued for lying constantly, literally the first thing i saw for tarisland is about how strictly they wont allow p2w 😂 i thought it was on the main page but i dont see it now 🤔
Well they will progress faster because they have access to gold easier, but if you play for a long term you will be able to catch up to the whales, I think its only pay2win if you really dont have a way to achieve their gears and stats unless you spend... But if you play for long term craft your own gears and hunt them well its still a fair play
Its nothing new, Every single games who has Trade system can be P2W. You don't need to buy that benefits and sell em, Just buy it from other people who does RMT and It will happened on OBT.
It's not that big of a deal bro. That's how guild wars 2 works and yet its not categorized as p2w. Considering how p2w other mobile mmos are,, thats already a blessing. and ofcourse the games gotta make money somehow. Aesthetics without subscription or paid dlc are not enough to maintain such a large MMOs
im from asia i like it cause it dont have gatcha all of mmo from asia is gatcha or p2w. The most thing i like this is that there is no auto play for now and gatcha
Idk I feel like there’s a better way because both options are frustrating. But I do wish Gatcha system was illegal in China just like how it is in America, because I hate it in identity V and the my hero academia BR game.
P2w is the blueprint and gacha is the end result when live content arrives you better believe a form gacha gambling will more than likely be a thing and switch to advertise it like everyother predatory mobile gacha game
Thanks Spid, I appreciate your dedication and support for a fair gaming community. I support Tarisland as well as f2p and think it can be successful that way. It's a great game, I just hope it's just for the closed beta and not going into the official launch ever.
It’s very sad that companies play with us like that. That feature seems to have been putted very meticulously so it’s not a good indicator of how they’re going to monetize the game….
If they were to add any kinda of p2w, I wish they would just adapt a dungeon style like oac had. Energy tablets to reset dungeon counts, low drop chances on unique gear pieces. It was cheap, didn't break the game because it still required you to grind, and it was still rng at the end of the day.
Questions : 1. Won’t you only get the gold by selling the CBT card when someone bought it? meaning you will not immediately get the gold. Someone need to buy your card in trade house, using his/her gold. 2. Assuming you receive the gold immediately after puting it in the trade house, what to buy if no one selling it yet? in this case, crafted high end gear. if no one selling it yet, you cant buy the gear even with infinite amount of gold you have. CMIIW, peace ✌🏻
i am not a wow fanboy and i don't even play it...but i know a lots about it and its lore....this game "Tarisland" and i name it "trashland"will never take the place of wow even in china and will fail...just because almost any free to play mmo have pay to win...do any of you remember Allods online?and how many said that this game "allods" is the wow killer? well we all know what happened to Allods and how the game got forgotten in the annal of history and failed ..while wow is still going strong...thanks for pointing this p2w aspect about Tarisland in this video...greatly appreciated.
They probably confused how to monitize this game. The base game seems good and have potential. If all things consider i rather have subs than micro transaction
You guys don't understand the meaning of P2W. Diablo Immortal is the real one, where you can increase your stats infinitely by spending money. Here is the same as WoW, you can buy gold and spend it for crafted or BoE items. You can achieve all that without paying but longer. There are no items only for money with increased stats or something which are unavailable through the gameplay. You also should understand that the game developer should earn money and pay salaries. For a casual player like me who is not aimed for world first raid kill and so on, it doesnt matter if someone can buy gold with a credit card. And buying gold doesn't add you skill. I agree that price for battle pass is too high, but that doesn't make it P2W.
So sad how the "hype" feeling disappeared the moment i saw this nonsense haha They literally promoted everywhere "we are not p2w!" It felt like a law! But here we are with another garbage asian p2w mmo. Well done!
I have a big group here in the philippines who's gonna play taris if it wont be pay2win in OBT, we're not poor but we arent whales either but we can blow $10kish each on cosmetics if the community gets good and competitive without real money involve.
another mmo ruined by greed ... its amazing how companies cant see beyond the 3 year mark ... I feel the same than with Tree of Savior. People are desesperate for a new world to explore, a new adventure... but they all come with battle pass and microtransactions nowadays...
Well TENCENT is one of China's biggest game developers, and when it comes to CHINA, it's all about the MONEY. It was bound to happen because they all misled us. It was a TRAP and a clickbait to overhype the game. So sad that hearing and knowing this, I lost interest already.
Man, being a longtime WoW player I was really hoping this game would end up being a bright spot in an otherwise dark era for MMO games in general. I just don't really care for FFXIV and Tarisland was about the only game that caught my attention, and now it seems it's going to be just another lootbox casino. I just can't stomach this garbage. Really hope they change their mind on this p2w nonsense, I was invited to the 2nd beta but I don't even wanna bother if this is going to end up being something we are all stuck with.
I think it's a stretch, but I'll be glad if i don't see players in the leaderboards with 5562666266266363633 gearscore when everyone else is at 483 like most mmos...😂
so i have only seen 2 p2w things, 1 battle pass and 2 benefit card, there is nothing else after that you can buy shards and use them in the shop (as the most games out there) P.S. they can do a simple thing, remove the possibility of selling the benefit card, and they leave the benefit card and battle pass in the game to make some money, without the chance for whales to have tons of golds
This level of "p2w" is nothing compared to what they do in other games. At least this way, the beaters actually get to be stronger first, because the spenders only get to buy what they sell.
Well, let's be honest here, it all depends if endgame raid gear will be tradeable or not (Bind on Pickup or Bind on Equip). Seriously, if not, it is literally like WoW... I mean, in WoW you can literally buy the boost to near level cap (I believe nowadays you can buy a boost directly to level cap), and you can also direct convert real money for gold with WoW token, and buy everything. Why it is not such a problem in WoW? Well, as I said, Raid gear and M+ gear in WoW are not tradeable, so the gear that actually matters for endgame will only be acquired if you do the content (you can buy carries tho, LOL). The gear that people sell on AH (in WoW) is either crafted gear or BoEs, and these are not as powerful as the mythic RAID gear and high M+ keys gear (very hard to get, require skilled players). I'm not trying to defend Tarisland, I understand the concern. But we need to be fair. If endgame loot is not tradeable it's like WoW but a bit better IMO (since there is no boost to max level in Tarisland as far as I know. Just XP boost as usual), it is really not such a concern, since there is no RNG progression like BDO/Lost Ark with "gold for enhancement". It's a free to play game folks (remember, not only WoW requires you to buy the game, there is also a subscription). Seriously people, let's try to be reasonable. Now IF endgame gear in Tarisland is tradeable, if so yes the game will be totally P2W.
If it was only a single battle pass, it would be fine. Why would they claim to be F2P when they won't. That's such a stupid move. But still, it's not P2W as we currently seeing nowadays. It's more like old RPGS, kinda like the same of saying WoW is p2w. Also, if this is the only "tradable" item, people can't whale forever, market will fluctuate and it will be super cheap on the market. Sure it's not f2p, but still one of the most friendly nowadays, where p2w are super edvident. Alts are actually what ruin games for me. Honestly, i'm almost thinking i'd just prefer a game with no trade at all.
So there is p2w. That’s unfortunate. I was looking forward to a game thats trying to be different than others, based off their own words. Now I don’t want to waste time to even try it. I’ve tried all the games with p2w and I haven’t stuck with playing any of them. I think it would have been better to say “its very likely there will be p2w.” And if it turned out they won’t add it that would be a pleasant surprise to the players. I will just keep playing Path of Titans for now. Thanks Spid
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"There will be no P2w in Tarisland. P2w is forbidden"
*proceeds to add p2w before the game is even out*
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they are gonna remove it, after all the backlash
@@danielblondal7538 you actually believe that? Bro the game is from China lmao
Tarisland 2nd beta is now out, however they have introduced some pay2win mechanics. Remember things can change until launch, lets give feedback and make sure they keep their promise of no pay2win! Will update you when we know more!
Launch maybe this year right? maybe november or december
@@aspreydave2656 I'm gonna say Q2 next year
If it’s p2w im not playing it
The real question is, can it be played as F2P? i mean is the obstacles are unfairly hard that without paying you are doomed? if not, next question, removing monetization from the equation, is the game fun? asking as mechanical, systematic wise, No. of defects...etc, is it fun and not buggy?
if all these checks out, then why don't we play it until we hit the wall of P2P aka PVP and etc...
@@Dolbic. naw I call bs . Not gona give my
Time to some fkn liars. If u wanna grind 1 month just to catch up with the whales go ahead.
It's just hilarious how predictable it is and why I no longer have any expectations for these games 😂😂
I played the CBT2 until level 20, then I saw the BP and Top up options. With how it can be turned into gold, makes it P2W. Oh well, I'm sad that the game went to this direction. I was so excited the promise of "No P2W" and was ready to sink my money for cosmetics.
Me too man. I was ready to ham with cosmetics. Like PoE does, f2p and only cosmetics. Some quality of life purchase stuff, but nothing crazy game breaking. This is honestly heartbreaking. They promised no p2w and this was their whole spiel
WoW does it just fine. The game doesn't die yet so far.
@@8bitchiptune420 I'd pay a monthly sub to play this if it was fair.
@@8bitchiptune420 this argument does not make sense. Comparison to a game wiith A LOT less players than it used to before they put P2W mechanics in the shop came about is the example you should be looking at. Yes the game didn't die. But can you still consider WoW a "Great" game in 2023? I don't think so.
@@titogeesoon How far you can "pay to win" in a mmorpg? Same as WoW, you can only use gold to pay for petty stuff, low-end gears. You still need to play the game to get the powerful gears same as Tarisland. Even in WoW, people don't need to buy gold with real money because you can get tonnes of them just by playing the game. That's why people don't bat an eye to anybody who buys the gold from the shop because that's a dumb thing to do.
another perspective: f2p players can buy the CBT benefits card through gold, instead of using real money.
tbh whatever the devs do, whales will still end up having large amounts of gold because there will be gold sellers no matter what. at least in this game there is no straight up money gacha that will make your character stronger.
100% lol aslong as everything is obtainable through hardwork that should be f2p friendly enough.
@@xkean why would you invest tons of hours, to obtain something that anyone can obtain in 2 minutes by swiping. not only that, but there will be no power/gear achievements that you can show off to others
@@isca10Damn, wait till you enter the real world. You're gonna be pissed when you find out people have more money and disposable income to buy shit they want and save time 😮
@@Joehirst Exactly.
@@isca10 this is not 2000's anymore where majority of the players have lots of time to grind. Time = money, if you have time to grind good for you. If not atleast you have another option.
Without advantage of $$$ the game will then cater to those who have more hours to spend playing. Is that fair? For someone who have a typical 9-5? Then there should also be a cap in progression like a 4-5 hours max playtime per day.
I'd rather pay an upfront sub fee (monthly, annually, etc) or spend money on the battle pass instead of being misled. I get the devs and board of directors need to make money but there has to be a more "fair" way to implement this. Hope this doesn't turn into anorher Diablo Immortal situation.
Was looking forward to them holding there promise of no P2W. Thanks Spid for the update.
yeah.. their website said "no-P2W" lol they lied.
There's over 1million players of WoW daily and they pay 13 dollars per month for subscription and here you are complaining about their monetization. Game developers needs money in order to continue with their game and developments!
@@Toolbox12-y1p Sure, but do they need to lie to their entire playerbase about it? That's kind of scummy
@@Toolbox12-y1pClearly you don't get the point 🤡🤡
Wow is not p2w. Wow is p2p (pay to play). That's 2 different things. 1: everybody pays to play the same content, grind, and mechanics, 2: paying users get huge boost by paying cash and ruining in game economy.
The game is not just P2W its really expensive P2W, because there are so many passes with bonus EXP and Battlepass stuff + the battle pass is around 35 USD in my country which is insane, because usually they are around 5-20 USD.
Yep, i was really sad seeing the Price in Germany. 31,99€... Thats insane. I wanted to buy the Pass but not for this price.
typical china gamedev. monetization is given more attention than the rest of the game
Where do we give feedback?
If they cannot keep their promises before the game comes out after saying that there will be no p2w with such a precise language, this game will be completely filled with p2w content within the first 3 months. Even if they fix it, we have now seen that their intentions are corrupt and their promises are completely insincere, and nothing else matters anymore.
They really monetized something as simple as the mail service??? LOL
Wouldn't expect anything less from that publisher. Already uninstalled.
I honestly believe that p2w doesn't matter anymore if everyone is selling boosts, gold, tier skips, etc in-game stores.
The elf messenger is just making it easier, even without the elf messenger , people can still sell golds through the auction house😂. Idk why people never said anything about that during CBT1
So the Recharge Announcement at login states that the total top-up amount (including top-up/CBT privilege card direct purchase) will be rebated as Crystals at 100% ratio at launch. Doesn't this imply the CBT card is only for closed beta and will not be there on launch? Otherwise, wouldn't they just allow the CBT Card to be activated on the account on launch?
Yes, people are just trying to find reasons to be angry - I'd pay it no mind.
Every MMORPG has gold sellers, so it might as well be the game developers making the money. But when they market the game as NON PAY TO WIN, HUGE L
Not in this situation my dude
I literally don't see that there are exclusive paying items and with improvements that only "come out" by paying, this is a complete P2F, but if you play you will still get the same as those who paid so I don't understand why so much complaining. e.e"
Saw you calling this out in the Discord yesterday, wanted to commend you for covering this and talking about it here. I think the more noise we make the better chance we have of them changing it!
Thanks! Yea we need to keep it up so they change it
They aren't changing it...have you seen the company...
Hello, didn't try the game yet but as far as I know p2w is when you have access to item as p2w that f2p can't gain, as someone who pay money in game you have to gain something in return don't think only costumes will keep those who pay spending , I think more gold is fine as long as there is no special shops or events for only paying players to get special items that give power advantage
Where did you get that picture of Lugia you have in the background?
if you buy everything what sens is play the game ?
how did you get that gear already on your character?
How to normal attack? Is there hotkey for normal attack? Thanks for the answer
is there a limit when regestering to game? I cant log in cause it tell full regestrasion
men it's already out global or is it in beta tell me and what ram does it ask for on mobile or is it only for pc????
Really disappointed they've made a complete U-turn on the "absolutely no P2W". It was obviously just a marketing scheme to get people interested in the game.
Tencent is making the game, so it's not surprising there is p2w elements. At the end of the day it's still a chinese mobile mmorpg with all the usual asian mmorpg elements just without any autoplay.
Great video Spid! I agree with you 100% and I think if they keep this item the game the simplest soulution would be to make it bind on purchase as all items in a cash shop sould be.
imo if you can use high tier equip but the raid still hardest then its no p2w... right?
In mobile tarisland .. same graphics in pc? Or not tell the truth..
Really appreciate you making this video and explaining all this. I don't have a problem with games doing pay-2-win stuff, I just refuse to play them. But what really pisses me off is when a Dev treats gamers like we're stupid and try to hide things and lie to us. If this is indeed going to be in game at launch and not just a Closed Beta thing, then I will be sad and steer clear. Ever since I heard about this game I've been really hyped, but this is definitely a deal breaker for me.
Anyone who thought there was not going to be pay to win is on copium.
- This is just their equivalent of wow tokens or runescape bonds. Or "cash shop" items that can be sold on the market place type system.
- Funny they kept emphasizing not pay to win, how did people expect them to be profitable? A game backed by tencent no less.
- They know full well what they are doing putting this in a closed beta and opening purchases no less. They will just try to justify their definition of "P2W".
Not to also mention its a ripped IP and like history shows of stealing IP they get taken down or dont expand to northern markets which then lose revenue and make separate versions for each region to avoid legal issues dividing the playerbase even more. Its a pump and dump be wary of spending money as they will not refund anything like other companies
How about the gear system?any max stat? hopefully gear systyshould be like guild wars 2
Cosmetics/mounts/storage expansion/pets(even better if you can load them down with unwanted loot to sell in town while you continue exploring)/etc. THESE are things I'm ok with. Anything that can be used to buy the best gear/progression/etc is NOT ok and I won't be playing the game if any of that BS makes it into the official game release 🤦♀️
We just need to chill, it could be just a CBT thing. and if not we suggest they put a limit on how many Benefit Card you can buy so its controlled. Understand they still have to make money to keep the game going.
The elf transfer requires 10k minimum and i believe 10k is huge sum, if people making alt and keep selling vigor for golds, the marketprice for stuff will just go to rock bottom and it will take much more longer time to accumulate 10k gold. Oh well the easy solve to this outrage is they could just make the benefit card bound and not sellable and also remove the elf messenger and its all good
@@rks453210k gold is not hard to obtain. I've been casually on and off this game since CBT2 began yesterday and have almost 4k gold. Higher skills and end game content will like this even easier.
is that benefit card benefits you a lot?
Will this game have flying mounts?
Thank you for the update!
What they should/could do is make it such that you can reverse the transaction (silver -> gold -> crystal)
They've already released a statement. At least they now know that they have a different perspective about monetization. It's still in beta so lets just hope for the best.
No download for iPhone?
Yeah I can see how things can get out of control real fast with this. Like you mentioned we are still in the beta so there’s hope that some things change. However, I will say this most mmos/open world games offer a battle pass/season pass, some of them monthly or every 60-90 days. We know that the “rewards” from these passes are cosmetics, rare items usually for crafting gear, buffs for exp boost, some form of extra bag or storage space and so on. These things aren’t bad as long as the price isn’t outrageous, the exp boost is usually something that caps between at 20-30% so it’s not out of this world. The beauty of this is that you don’t have to buy them it’s optional so there’s that. I get that there are some players that will abuse/take advantage of the p2w system but if you enjoy the game you can get the rare items it’s just going to take a bit longer. Not sure if things will change for the crafting but I suggest if you don’t want to spend extra money on the game to focus on building 1 character strictly for crafting. It may be tedious and boring but this will help you in the long run specially in the end game. You could even make some coin crafting items for other players lol, you can do the crafting as long as they provide the materials or make lots of coin if you happen to have all materials lol. Point is, crafting will be a big part of the game so don’t ignore it.
LMAO! Not even globally launched and they already broke the promise of not p2w. Very disappointing.
Only pay to win feature I’ll accept in this game is a battle pass and even with a battle pas they don’t have to add a lot off P2W item in them if they want to monetize so bad
No matter what the developers do, theres gonna be people claiming any small potential ideology to gain a benefit, however tiny or convenient - people will say its pay to win.
Yeah, you can buy gear from market instantly with cash is not p2w lmao
@@itzmebye9335but.. the gear is on sale by the players.. if no one is selling it, you CAN’T buy it ..
The near $50 usd skin is beyond ridiculous
Damn so upsetting can we just all agree to play order and chaos again..
Well i dont think that was pay 2 win,it just give u gold and u can farm gold,for eq if u re lucky u can sell for gold,etc,its not that pay to win,all player still have same acces to all content just they re pay so they faster,just that this game alrrady did great job,what if they make pay2play instead?,will u pay to play,i dont think so
Pc only?
Spid thanks for making this video , if they want to monetize with p2w its their game they can every right to do it , the problem is they lied about it and hyped up a lot of people , anyway if its p2w im not going to play , seems like good game sad they destroyed it with p2w...
its getting frustrating they have been just ruining the whole gaming industry with greedy tactics
The email said strictly no p2w
I guess they were just using the no p2w to get players hyped up about the game but hit us with the bait and switch for actual launch. its not even some pay 2 win elements which can be overlooked on a good game its literally you can buy EVERYTHING -_- games with player driven economy are the most fun and create a natural economy this messes everything up. KNOWN AS A P2W COMPANY CONTINUES TO DO P2W THINGS sad
lmao these companies need sued for lying constantly, literally the first thing i saw for tarisland is about how strictly they wont allow p2w 😂 i thought it was on the main page but i dont see it now 🤔
Pay to progress is pay to win.
Pay to convenience is pay to win.
Paying to save time is paying to win. Flat out. In all forms.
That said "Pay to play" is also "Pay to win" because you can't win without playing 😉Only winning move is not to play. (c)
Ctb card will not be available at launch.
Also it's a CBT ( beta test ) it's just 1 item. All they need to do is bound the item. Fixed
Well they will progress faster because they have access to gold easier, but if you play for a long term you will be able to catch up to the whales, I think its only pay2win if you really dont have a way to achieve their gears and stats unless you spend... But if you play for long term craft your own gears and hunt them well its still a fair play
Agreed. If anything i can see it ruining player economy, but not what i would consider pay to win
So..
Gender lock,
Class lock,
Pay 2 Win/Lose
Interesting 🤔
Its nothing new, Every single games who has Trade system can be P2W. You don't need to buy that benefits and sell em, Just buy it from other people who does RMT and It will happened on OBT.
True
this is WOW Token, this is WOW clone afterall.
It's not that big of a deal bro. That's how guild wars 2 works and yet its not categorized as p2w.
Considering how p2w other mobile mmos are,, thats already a blessing. and ofcourse the games gotta make money somehow.
Aesthetics without subscription or paid dlc are not enough to maintain such a large MMOs
GW2 is def p2w enough where no one I know wants to start playing
im from asia i like it cause it dont have gatcha all of mmo from asia is gatcha or p2w. The most thing i like this is that there is no auto play for now and gatcha
Idk I feel like there’s a better way because both options are frustrating. But I do wish Gatcha system was illegal in China just like how it is in America, because I hate it in identity V and the my hero academia BR game.
P2w is the blueprint and gacha is the end result when live content arrives you better believe a form gacha gambling will more than likely be a thing and switch to advertise it like everyother predatory mobile gacha game
Thanks Spid, I appreciate your dedication and support for a fair gaming community. I support Tarisland as well as f2p and think it can be successful that way. It's a great game, I just hope it's just for the closed beta and not going into the official launch ever.
is it a mobile game or pc?
It’s very sad that companies play with us like that. That feature seems to have been putted very meticulously so it’s not a good indicator of how they’re going to monetize the game….
When there is a global lounge?
If they were to add any kinda of p2w, I wish they would just adapt a dungeon style like oac had. Energy tablets to reset dungeon counts, low drop chances on unique gear pieces. It was cheap, didn't break the game because it still required you to grind, and it was still rng at the end of the day.
Questions :
1. Won’t you only get the gold by selling the CBT card when someone bought it? meaning you will not immediately get the gold. Someone need to buy your card in trade house, using his/her gold.
2. Assuming you receive the gold immediately after puting it in the trade house, what to buy if no one selling it yet? in this case, crafted high end gear. if no one selling it yet, you cant buy the gear even with infinite amount of gold you have.
CMIIW, peace ✌🏻
A lot of people are incapable of thinking ahead like you. They just want to be mad and have something to blame, don't sweat it
it's the fact you can buy stats simple as that
I am a tester. This game was advertised as "WoW Killer". After days of playing I see that this is very very far from WoW in many aspects.
This is so sad, if this keep trough the release i'll not play this game
so tired of p2w destroying the MMORPG genre
i am not a wow fanboy and i don't even play it...but i know a lots about it and its lore....this game "Tarisland" and i name it "trashland"will never take the place of wow even in china and will fail...just because almost any free to play mmo have pay to win...do any of you remember Allods online?and how many said that this game "allods" is the wow killer? well we all know what happened to Allods and how the game got forgotten in the annal of history and failed ..while wow is still going strong...thanks for pointing this p2w aspect about Tarisland in this video...greatly appreciated.
They probably confused how to monitize this game. The base game seems good and have potential.
If all things consider i rather have subs than micro transaction
they're not confused. This is normal p2w practices most asian f2p developers use.
@@ryuno2097 that true but the initial pitch make this game not pay to win, thus lack of idea how to monitize beside selling convinience
If amazing gear is tradeable then one way or another it's going to be p2w. Just depends on if it's officially p2w or not.
Streaming today spid?
Yea soon!
boss, maybe you have an extra account for CBT? TIA
This game is like Blade&Soul Revolution, korean game if you know that game
They should better ad a monthly subscription from all and keep ingameshop for costumes
You guys don't understand the meaning of P2W. Diablo Immortal is the real one, where you can increase your stats infinitely by spending money. Here is the same as WoW, you can buy gold and spend it for crafted or BoE items. You can achieve all that without paying but longer. There are no items only for money with increased stats or something which are unavailable through the gameplay. You also should understand that the game developer should earn money and pay salaries. For a casual player like me who is not aimed for world first raid kill and so on, it doesnt matter if someone can buy gold with a credit card. And buying gold doesn't add you skill. I agree that price for battle pass is too high, but that doesn't make it P2W.
Pay2win? where do i download this?
thank you for step by step teaching us how to abuse the system, much appreciated
So sad how the "hype" feeling disappeared the moment i saw this nonsense haha
They literally promoted everywhere "we are not p2w!" It felt like a law! But here we are with another garbage asian p2w mmo. Well done!
Season of discovery just looked better all of a sudden
Well they removed their motto "non p2w" 😂
I have a big group here in the philippines who's gonna play taris if it wont be pay2win in OBT, we're not poor but we arent whales either but we can blow $10kish each on cosmetics if the community gets good and competitive without real money involve.
Not even surprised. A lot of "Free" MMOs do this.
Demm I was excited when I hear this game, I guess I'm going back to my old games
Really sad, but thanks for the heads up
another mmo ruined by greed ... its amazing how companies cant see beyond the 3 year mark ... I feel the same than with Tree of Savior. People are desesperate for a new world to explore, a new adventure... but they all come with battle pass and microtransactions nowadays...
For real, all we want is a fun and engaging world to explore, but no, p2w, battle pass, paywall it is
If you've ever played a mobile APRG you've seen this exact shitty monetization scheme before. Run.
i love u Spid for being a real gamer.❤🎉
Thanks!
Well TENCENT is one of China's biggest game developers, and when it comes to CHINA, it's all about the MONEY. It was bound to happen because they all misled us. It was a TRAP and a clickbait to overhype the game. So sad that hearing and knowing this, I lost interest already.
Man, being a longtime WoW player I was really hoping this game would end up being a bright spot in an otherwise dark era for MMO games in general. I just don't really care for FFXIV and Tarisland was about the only game that caught my attention, and now it seems it's going to be just another lootbox casino. I just can't stomach this garbage.
Really hope they change their mind on this p2w nonsense, I was invited to the 2nd beta but I don't even wanna bother if this is going to end up being something we are all stuck with.
I think it's a stretch, but I'll be glad if i don't see players in the leaderboards with 5562666266266363633 gearscore when everyone else is at 483 like most mmos...😂
So, exactly the same as WoW right? You buy gold in WoW and then go to GDPK raids and just buy all the endgame gear.
so i have only seen 2 p2w things, 1 battle pass and 2 benefit card, there is nothing else after that you can buy shards and use them in the shop (as the most games out there) P.S. they can do a simple thing, remove the possibility of selling the benefit card, and they leave the benefit card and battle pass in the game to make some money, without the chance for whales to have tons of golds
This level of "p2w" is nothing compared to what they do in other games.
At least this way, the beaters actually get to be stronger first, because the spenders only get to buy what they sell.
Why would gold brokers buy from whales when they can purchase those themselves?
Best thing is is someone men it before it's officially released
Thanks
also in the rebate it says Get Free Battlepass kekw
Well, let's be honest here, it all depends if endgame raid gear will be tradeable or not (Bind on Pickup or Bind on Equip).
Seriously, if not, it is literally like WoW... I mean, in WoW you can literally buy the boost to near level cap (I believe nowadays you can buy a boost directly to level cap), and you can also direct convert real money for gold with WoW token, and buy everything. Why it is not such a problem in WoW? Well, as I said, Raid gear and M+ gear in WoW are not tradeable, so the gear that actually matters for endgame will only be acquired if you do the content (you can buy carries tho, LOL). The gear that people sell on AH (in WoW) is either crafted gear or BoEs, and these are not as powerful as the mythic RAID gear and high M+ keys gear (very hard to get, require skilled players).
I'm not trying to defend Tarisland, I understand the concern. But we need to be fair. If endgame loot is not tradeable it's like WoW but a bit better IMO (since there is no boost to max level in Tarisland as far as I know. Just XP boost as usual), it is really not such a concern, since there is no RNG progression like BDO/Lost Ark with "gold for enhancement". It's a free to play game folks (remember, not only WoW requires you to buy the game, there is also a subscription). Seriously people, let's try to be reasonable.
Now IF endgame gear in Tarisland is tradeable, if so yes the game will be totally P2W.
If it was only a single battle pass, it would be fine. Why would they claim to be F2P when they won't. That's such a stupid move. But still, it's not P2W as we currently seeing nowadays. It's more like old RPGS, kinda like the same of saying WoW is p2w.
Also, if this is the only "tradable" item, people can't whale forever, market will fluctuate and it will be super cheap on the market. Sure it's not f2p, but still one of the most friendly nowadays, where p2w are super edvident.
Alts are actually what ruin games for me. Honestly, i'm almost thinking i'd just prefer a game with no trade at all.
This is them testing the waters.
So there is p2w. That’s unfortunate. I was looking forward to a game thats trying to be different than others, based off their own words. Now I don’t want to waste time to even try it. I’ve tried all the games with p2w and I haven’t stuck with playing any of them. I think it would have been better to say “its very likely there will be p2w.” And if it turned out they won’t add it that would be a pleasant surprise to the players. I will just keep playing Path of Titans for now. Thanks Spid
Your last sentence... What has mobile gaming come to after losing OaC...
@@furiousdestroyah9999 huh?