Sega needs to release a dedicated collection for all the various arcade games that have never gotten home ports. Lord knows they have quite the back portfoilo to do it.
Multiple collections for all the different arcade boards would be the best solution I'd say. Maybe we'd eventually get a port of Revenge of Death Adder. Somebody would need to remind Sega it actually exists first though.
I want a home port of Scud Race so bad, as well as a proper port of Sega Rally 2. Hell, strike a deal with Disney so we can get the arcade Star Wars Trilogy and Pod Racer home.
@@karnovrpg me too!!!!!!! So many great games needed to port at least for game preservation. I never got a chance to play anything except Star Wars and VF3.
Absolutely agree with this! New Sega Ages collection! I'd love the chance to play Planet Harriers and Dynamite Cop 3! To be fair they need to re-release stuff that already has a home port too! I mean Virtua Fighter 1 has never had an "Arcade perfect" home release and it's still very wrong on mame! It did have a version on their Astrocity Arcade mini but it's not the same...
John, when you make a video you really BELIEVE IN, nobody else even comes close to the content you create, period. When you started your deep dive into model 3 vs everything else I felt like I was getting taken back in time to the full glory of my teenage years. All the wonder and excitement flowed through me exactly as it did back in the day when I was first introduced to all these games. Truly, THANK YOU.
It's obvious he loves most the RETRO part of his job. Listening to him reminds me of a tour guide in the Wieliczka salt mines in Poland, he was history student and truly loved his job.
John is a real one. A true arcade racing fanboy, like myself. If you were on neogaf back in the day and looked at his posts, you'd know he's been super passionate about arcade racing games for years, as have I, and a handful of others. We're a niche group, but our love and passion for 90's arcade racers from Sega and Namco knows no bounds.
"To put it in perspective, would be like designing a game that only runs on RTX 4090". Perfect analogy, John. This was truly what made arcades special in the 90s. Purpose built hardware. It's why so many home consoles at the time were trying to claim "arcade graphics" in their advertising. It was the gold standard in terms of visuals at the time.
I still remember vividly when Virtua Fighter 3 hit arcades. It literally felt like I was looking at something that had just time traveled from the future. Even after that I still wasn't ready for when I saw Daytona 2 in action for the first time. It was insane.
The way the rear tires smoke up in Daytona USA 2 is still visually impactful all these years later. Sure we have advanced particle effects today but give a prize to the AM2 visual artist who designed it back then!
Great video, John. One nitpick: front/rear speaker balance is adjustable in Supermodel using `-balance` or `Balance` in the config file (-100 to 100). The Model 3 has two SCSPs for generating sound, each producing different stereo outputs. In Daytona 2, one of the SCSPs drives the front speakers and the other the rear speakers. We mix these equally in Supermodel, which appears to drown out the rear speaker audio. But you can weight it more heavily toward the rear speakers to fix the problem.
I'd like to play a Daytona USA Collection, even if it would be released under the name Sega Racing Classic. Just include the original game, Championship Circuit Edition, the base and updated version of 2 and 2001 in the package, good online multiplayer and fun extras and it would be perfect for me
Yes absolutely,and Daytona would need battle on the edge and power edition either separately or in the same game with the option to choose all the multiplayer cars!
One of my favourite games of all time... I started contributing towards Supermodel partly because I wanted to get Daytona USA 2 running as closely to the arcade original as possible. One of my proudest achievements was improving the network emulation so that you could connect up to 16 players over a LAN (which you can't do in the Like a Dragon version).
Supermodel is alot better than what it is in like a dragon,the emulation seems somewhat more acurate,and little things like the roar of passing the CPU cars is not really present in like a dragon
It can't be overstated how incredible VF2 looked when it first came out and what it was like to be a gamer in those days. We went from the original Double Dragon to VF2 in 7 years.
It has to be said though, that Double Dragon had very basic graphics compared to some of the other stuff available at the time. For example Afterburner, Power Drift, Space Harrier, etc.
That would suggest that this is a little more than emulation. Are you sure what you're describing isn't a supermodel problem? Does what you describe happen on the real PCB?
The draw distance/pop-in occurs on the real Model 3 as well, it's just less noticeable because of the lower resolution. Funnily enough I updated Supermodel not too long ago to make the draw distance/pop-in match the real Model 3; older versions actually looked better than the real thing. I should probably add an option to allow users to choose whether they want draw distances to be enhanced or to match the original arcade version.
Amen! TBH I really wish he covered fewer modern games and shifted his focus to mainly retro content. The technology driving the early days of 3D gaming is so much more utterly fascinating than today's graphics tech.
Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth is suppose to add Spikeout and Virtua Fighter 3, so that's more Model 3 titles that will make for a home console (vanilla VF3 was never ported). And if they ever announced a Model 3 collection, or even a Model 1-3 collection with System 16 and 32 games, that would be an instant purchase.
This makes me so happy that that the Model 3 version of VF3 will finally have an official port, no more having to make do with the subpar Dreamcast port. VF3 on M3 still looks stunning to this day.
Come on Sega just give us the Sega Model Collection, various games from the 90s -00 model boards. Across all consoles and PC , that's what we really want
I wrote the rendering engine for the supermodel emulator. Ask anything :) The reason that the like a dragon gaiden emulation is too bright is because the lighting is clamped. In daytona they used an unclamped model which on the back faces will actually subtract from the ambient lighting. Since supermodel is open source .. I do wonder how much 'inspiration' they took when writing their own emulator. In supermodel if you create a custom 57.5hz resolution, supermodel will use this and work at the correct original frame rate, judder free. You don't even need a special screen to do this, it works on my nothing special 1080p asus display.
I m 40 year old . When i was a young man the model 3 makes me dreaming. When i used your emulator for the first Time for playing Daytona 2 i had tears . It was a child gamer dream come to reality. Daytona 2 in my home.. just i Say before not enough word for saying thx you!!!!!!❤❤❤❤
Definite props to Hitoshi Iizawa, plus the help from his buddy Ryutaro Hayakawa from way back in the CRI days, for their work on this port. It's been exciting to hear mentions of this "passion project from a single programmer who worked on the AM2 ports to Xbox 360/PS3 around 2010". I suppose the hope is that he keeps working on Like a Dragon ports as he has been since Yakuza 6: The Song of Life. EDIT: I've just been informed Iizawa was a programmer again on Virtua Fighter 3tb Online, and Hayakawa was one of the system programmers.
Digital Foundry - SEGA's Ryuga Gotaku team announced that Virtua FIghter 3tb will be included in the 8th Ryuga Gotaku/Yakuza game. Also, they are contemplating on releasing a Model 3 Arcade compilation but in order to receive it, we'll need to make *A LOT OF NOISE* for them to recognise that there is a demand for it in the west. The louder the noise for all model 3 games with ROLLBACK NETCODE, full multiplayer online, Crossplay, all model 3 games with ranking modes and so on, the higher the chance we'll get it. No noise, no get.
How do we make this noise though? Do they not see these videos? Are they not aware of Supermodel or how good it is now? What do they fucking want from us?! After all these years of people making content about how Sega need to port/rerelease/remaster/RESPECT the quality titles that not only made "Sega" such an exciting and innovative brand, but are also *literally keeping these titles and (to a certain extent) the name Sega alive*, Sega continue to piss around with the stuff that their longstanding fans actually want. Unless they start properly updating these IP's, there's only so long that these titles will be valid for. Nintendo generally respectfully curate their stuff as time goes by...but by mostly focussing on Sonic, etc and ignoring their legendary 3D arcade titles, Sega are heading into Atari territory. Daytona 2 is without a doubt one of the greatest arcade racers ever made, but I'm not fucking buying an unrelated full price game because there's an *emulated, offline, 4:3, inferior version with fewer options and concessions to modern sensibilities of a game that i can play 4P splitscreen on my mid-range PC* that's available as as a fucking minigame plonked within it. All in the hope that they'll maybe, possibly, release something that i can actually give them some money for..? They've not even released VF5:US on PC *or even PS5! - it's PS4 back-compat!* Or the 360/PS3 version of Daytona 1/SRC on PC! Or Switch Virtua Racing on...anything else! Or not farm out Daytona Championship to a team that, for whatever reason, could only reverse engineer Sega Racing Classic and release it with nice graphics but no 4-way shifter! Or...Or..! Sorry for the rant EAprima, this isn't really aimed at you and i love that John/DF have made this video, but Sega need to get a goddamn grip with this shit. My entire life i've watched them fart out wanky arcade conversions or make bizarre and disappointing release decisions - but making *the first and only home port of DAYTONA USA FUCKING 2, something i've been waiting more than 20 years for, a game-within-a-game* has finally tipped me over the (battle on the) edge. Dickheads. (Not you EAprima, sorry😢 )
@@TK1s_Big_LoveWELL SAID! Don't worry, I know you are not ranting at me and, trust me wholeheartedly when I say this, but everything you said... everything, I screamed it all at SEGA directly nearly 20 years ago! Yes. I shouted and screamed at SEGA's management. Quite simply, SEGA doesn't want to make easy money. So don't worry, I felt and understood every malice sentence you typed, and I whole heartedly agree with you. Unfortunately, many of the people at SEGA are new and, once again, don't see beyond their office window and from their locale spaces. They only know Japan and Japan alone... They think they know the west but they don't know squat, and tons of them don't take the right initiative to learn the west properly so they can prevent themselves from making low-hanging fruit executions that resulted in botch and/weak conversations. Oh yes. That supermodel version. Sorry, that version is DEFINITELY better than Sega's effort. Nothing beats playing Daytona USA 2 at 4K, wide screen, everything glossed up using the very latest supermodel emulate and with NETWORK PLAY OF UP TO 16 PLAYERS!!! OH yes, SHAME ON SEGA FOR NOT REACHING OUT TO THE SUPERMODEL TEAM. I know the guy that created the emu and he said he would have been DELIGHTED to help Sega get the code up and running so it can be used for anything they want. All the Supermodel team wanted more than anything was to have the Model 3 board games running perfectly on anything and everything, and they much rather have SEGA release the games than for people to go the high seas. Unfortunately, SEGA didn't do that. If they did do it, we could have had Sega Rally 2, Scud Race and Daytona 2 around 5 years ago because those three games especially were the closest to perfection.
as someone who still enjoys Daytona USA on Dreamcast and Series X (via 360 backward compatibility), and loved the Virtua Racing, Daytona & Sega Rally arcade cabinets as a kid, Daytona 2 & more Sega arcade classics coming to modern systems will always be welcome!
Just wanna say how much I appreciate the passion, dedication and attention to detail you put into these, John. These games really deserve it, but almost no one else would put this kind of work in. It's actually inspiring.
John's videos are amazing. I hope he keeps doing this stuff for a very long time. Having all this info so well documented is priceless and a fundamental part of preserving the legacy of these games.
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Minor tip: in Daytona USA 1 arcade, you can make the developer credits show up by pressing start during the end sequence. (Daytona 3 does this by default during the credits)
Fun fact: Sega worked with Lockheed Martin to produce their 90's arcade games, and I believe they co-developed Model 3. I vividly remember seeing Virtua fighter 3 the first time in an arcade in 1998. It was mind blowing. I thought maybe it was like Killer instinct, as in the backgrounds or characters were FMV. Nothing else I'd seen looked like that, even 2 years later. It's a crime Sega seems to ignore releasing more of their arcade games officially. They do throw us a bone once in a while, but it's not enough. But I guess you can say that about most arcade only games.
I'm just in awe. What a passion project. Thank you to the programmer and his/her colleagues that made the Like a Dragon version possible. Does my heart good to see the classics shown such respect and love. Bravo, Sega Entertainment. Bravo.
I bet they would but the cost and convenience of arcade machines isn't very accessible. Also, Arcade emulation is good but it's also much less approachable to people from a setup standpoint.
Not only did the game have a mind blowing graphics for the time, remember the machines also had strong force feedback which really contributed to the experience.
I've read several comments on TH-cam, saying that (most of, minus the intro theme) the Mitsuyoshi songs are apparently still there, and you enable them by holding start at the "Gentlemen, Start Your Engines" screen.
Man, Model 3 surely is my favorite leap in gaming technology. Having the PS1, Saturn and the Fog64 at home, entering a game center with Virtua Fighter 3 and Scud Race really felt like entering the future. Because of the Model 3, I never was as hyped for a new console release than I was for the Dreamcast. Now if only they could release Scud Race (which stays for me as the best racing game ever made). Oh yeah and Le Mans 24 which many seems to forget.
I hope they create a perfect emulated version of Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2. That game had the same chasis rattle when the car is traveling fast. Great Dreamcast game. Whatever happened to Genki?
Fantastic episode, John! You perfectly captured what made Model 3 games so special at the time. Sega is straight up leaving money on the table by not creating a 'Model 3 Collection' for PC and consoles. It's one of the few eras of retro gaming that is still marooned in the past.
While watching the SRC2 footage I just kept think about how great the sense of speed is. I had figured part of it was a nice FOV but the speed lines created by their texturing technique was not was I expected, that's very impressive. I now wish these kind of textures were in every racing game.
John, I'm so glad you made this video. I share your enthusiasm for both Daytona and this period of arcade technology. This video answers so many of the questions I had around the emulation in Like a Dragon. Just hope this is a precursor to some standalone releases or collections of Model 3 games.
I don’t remember the actual cost because I played it at Gameworks in Vegas. I remember mom gave me 20 bucks to load up the card and it was wiped out before I knew it.
YES YES YES, Great Video I remember jumping from killer instinct to Daytona2 in the arcades in 1996 alongside other games, but these where the hot ones for years. The games where so complete in the arcade and then you go home and start up the genisis or snes an say the arcades games look so much better....then you and you're buddies started planning the next day of quarters at the arcade....I miss those days. I really feel bad for any gamer that never experienced the arcades in the 90s .Great Video D1X
Them satisfying jiggle and vibration animations that accentuate gravity, air, and speed. Never understood why more games, even today, don't do better on this
Was waiting for a video on daytona usa 2/model 3. the love I have for daytona usa 2 is huge and even playing it now is mind blowing sega knocked it out of the park with the model 3.
Never liked a video this fast. I love this era of gaming too, I got to see Scud Race back then and was blown away. I hope they'll port it too, and if they make a simple compilation of the games and throw it on Steam I would instantly buy them
Awesome video! Daytona 2 and the Model3 board was so far ahead of its time. The games still look great today. I’d love to have a collection of these on home consoles today. I built my own racing cab for mainly arcade racing games like this. A version of these games that could emulate linked cabinets for online play would be great. If Sega and Namco could just release some of these classics, it would be awesome! Thanks again for taking the time to put together this video!
Amazing video! Hope one day we get a Daytona USA collection. Including the remaster version of Daytona 1, a similar version of 2 and a home console version of championship
Tremendous episode! Always fascinated by the Model 3 and this era of gaming in the mid to late 90s. Soo much can be discussed...I'll just leave it at, Thanks for this episode. 👍
it' a Great idea John ,It would be fantastic a stand alone collection likes sega ages and full compatibility with actual steering wheels, with option to upscale to native 4k 16/9 and other feature likes scanlines...never stop dreaming! As always superb work of passion John!!!
Excellent video John, thank you so much for your hard work. I miss SEGA and it's magic, still can't get over that they had to abandon hardware manufacturing. It is fantastic that Daytona USA 2 can finally be experienced at home on a console. My PS5 is gonna be happy.
I get slightly upset when I see kids throw dirt at SEGA. They literally have no idea how important they are and have been for all of us who love video games. Thanks for this awesome video John 👍🏼
I'd love a df retro feature on the history of Virtua Fighter and its various home conversions. The Saturn port of VF2 and the ps2 adaptation of VF4 have always interested me given the vast difference in (complex) hardware compared to their arcade counterparts
I also was shocked sega added this as a playable game in the newest like a dragon game… was such an awesome moment stumbling into an arcade and realised I could play Daytona 2 at last!
I've been waiting so long for a proper Daytona USA 2 it seemed like it would never happen. I really hope Sega release a proper Model 2/3 collection, as 24 hrs is one of my favourites. I was always playing that in Sega world. Daytona 2 and 24hr were some of the few games I could play and win 1st in the arcades. Great memories!
Also my favorite 3D game time, we were just blown away by each release starting by virtua Fighter 1 Arcade. I am surprised and missing Ridge Racer other great contender that was pushing high end 3D / design / music and style! These were the pillars ridge Daytona and Sega rally.
Downloaded Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased his name today so I could test out Daytona USA 2. Playing the first novice track the oval, it hit all the nostalgia feels. Then tried the 2nd track and it was hard as hell without the classic arcade setup of wheel and pedals.
Great video! Can't wait for the Virtua Fighter 3tb and Spikeout comparisons when Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth comes out. Keep up the good work John, you are a legend.
Downloaded this Like a Dragon game from Game Pass at launch and grinded the initial hour just to find this arcade center to play Daytona 2. Made a save file there so I can comeback anytime 😊
I remember seeing these at the arcade for the first time, it was unreal. It wasn't until the Dreamcast that anything came near to the graphical quality and fluidity of these arcade games. Everyone would crowd around them to watch people play.
Played Daytona on those slot machines in the mid 90s as a kid. Remember that the graphics and smoothness was waaaaay above anything else at the time. It wasnt until maybe PS2 before we got something that could compare.
What a treat of a video on a cool Saturday morning!! Thanks John! I guess it's time to buy Like a Dragon. AND...COME ON SEGA...bring us ALL your old back catalog!
Man I bought a Saturn for Daytona and virtua fighter 2 back in the day, but I've never even played Daytona 2. Such a shame things couldn't have went better for sega. I saw scud race in the arcade a bunch of times, and that blew me away.
Awesome video, there was nothing like walking into a 90's arcade as a new racing game was released. Although in the early comparisons, missing Ridge Racer and Rave Racer out was a misstep personally, probably the closest competition Sega had imo.
Wow, you took me back hard! I was so excited to play these games and was wondering when I was going to get these graphics on Dreamcast or console...Sadly was never the same but a close port in the later years.. Super Gt Arcade was sexy. Thanks for the Video
So these games are all inside this new Like a Dragon game? If Sega can include here, then surely a standalone release is also doable - seems like a no brainer to do a separate compilation of these emulated titles!
About Daytona Championship USA/Daytona USA 3, the original release actual had some problems and people found the game disappointing. However, the New Season Edition update, which was received well, brought so many changes like a handling model that is closer to Daytona USA 1, slightly improved visuals and an additional track.
I am surprised you didn’t point out the seemingly improved draw distance of the Like a Dragon version. It could just be that I am looking at it through a phone, but the fence in the Like a Dragon version doesn’t appear to pop into existence like original hardware
In the 90s, my best friend and me used to tell our parents we were going to each other’s houses and then take the tube all the way to Piccadilly Circus to play Daytona in the Trocadero. They had something like 8 full cabinets linked up in a long line and you would queue up to get on. The memory of the lights and noise and the attract music “Daytonaaaaaaa”. Happy days.
I was waiting for this video to come out! I really liked the filtering they added to visuals - gives it that grainy arcade look. I really do wish there were some audio options though as I would like to hear the engine sounds a bit more.
Sega needs to release a dedicated collection for all the various arcade games that have never gotten home ports. Lord knows they have quite the back portfoilo to do it.
Multiple collections for all the different arcade boards would be the best solution I'd say. Maybe we'd eventually get a port of Revenge of Death Adder. Somebody would need to remind Sega it actually exists first though.
I need Model 1 - 3 arcade ports to home. I bought VF2, Daytona, Fighting Vipers during the PS360 Era, but i’d love dedicated arcade collections.
I want a home port of Scud Race so bad, as well as a proper port of Sega Rally 2. Hell, strike a deal with Disney so we can get the arcade Star Wars Trilogy and Pod Racer home.
@@karnovrpg me too!!!!!!! So many great games needed to port at least for game preservation. I never got a chance to play anything except Star Wars and VF3.
Absolutely agree with this! New Sega Ages collection! I'd love the chance to play Planet Harriers and Dynamite Cop 3! To be fair they need to re-release stuff that already has a home port too! I mean Virtua Fighter 1 has never had an "Arcade perfect" home release and it's still very wrong on mame! It did have a version on their Astrocity Arcade mini but it's not the same...
We need a collection of these games outside of Yakuza.
Agree. And why is this a digital only release in the West as well 🤦♂️
Yesss!
VF5 still isn't on PC and Xbox, but is available in Like a Dragon. It's currently a PS4 exclusive. Neither is Sonic the Fighters.
@@robsmall6466import it, it’s not that difficult although yes does command a slight premium.
@@guffingtonreal virtua racing is also an exclusive on switch. Is sonich fighters on ps4?
John, when you make a video you really BELIEVE IN, nobody else even comes close to the content you create, period. When you started your deep dive into model 3 vs everything else I felt like I was getting taken back in time to the full glory of my teenage years. All the wonder and excitement flowed through me exactly as it did back in the day when I was first introduced to all these games.
Truly, THANK YOU.
Amin.
It's obvious he loves most the RETRO part of his job. Listening to him reminds me of a tour guide in the Wieliczka salt mines in Poland, he was history student and truly loved his job.
John is a real one. A true arcade racing fanboy, like myself. If you were on neogaf back in the day and looked at his posts, you'd know he's been super passionate about arcade racing games for years, as have I, and a handful of others. We're a niche group, but our love and passion for 90's arcade racers from Sega and Namco knows no bounds.
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"To put it in perspective, would be like designing a game that only runs on RTX 4090".
Perfect analogy, John. This was truly what made arcades special in the 90s. Purpose built hardware. It's why so many home consoles at the time were trying to claim "arcade graphics" in their advertising. It was the gold standard in terms of visuals at the time.
I still remember vividly when Virtua Fighter 3 hit arcades. It literally felt like I was looking at something that had just time traveled from the future. Even after that I still wasn't ready for when I saw Daytona 2 in action for the first time. It was insane.
Ren Hazuki also a fan of Daytona USA 2 before bro.
You and me both brother.
Agreed
The way the rear tires smoke up in Daytona USA 2 is still visually impactful all these years later. Sure we have advanced particle effects today but give a prize to the AM2 visual artist who designed it back then!
Great video, John. One nitpick: front/rear speaker balance is adjustable in Supermodel using `-balance` or `Balance` in the config file (-100 to 100). The Model 3 has two SCSPs for generating sound, each producing different stereo outputs. In Daytona 2, one of the SCSPs drives the front speakers and the other the rear speakers. We mix these equally in Supermodel, which appears to drown out the rear speaker audio. But you can weight it more heavily toward the rear speakers to fix the problem.
You've worked on the emulator? Thanks so much for your great work preserving these games!
@@theharvardyard2356 Yup I am one of the original authors who started the project in 2003 and then resurrected it in 2011.
maybe for each game you could set up “default configs” designed to make the user experience easier to get into?
I would pay full price for a compilation with Daytona, Sega Rally, Virtua Fighter/Striker/Tennis and other gems. Make it happen Sega.
I'd like to play a Daytona USA Collection, even if it would be released under the name Sega Racing Classic. Just include the original game, Championship Circuit Edition, the base and updated version of 2 and 2001 in the package, good online multiplayer and fun extras and it would be perfect for me
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Yes absolutely,and Daytona would need battle on the edge and power edition either separately or in the same game with the option to choose all the multiplayer cars!
I'm remaking Sega Rally!
@@OverJumpRally I know. I've seen your videos. Unfortunately I don't have a gaming pc to try it.
I wish they'd do an AM2 collection, or a sega racers collection.
me 2.
That's all I'd need.
I see "AM2" & "Collection" and then I immediately click the like button.
Force feedback on a 600w wheel is the real key of daytona, graphics secondary
The unfortunate thing is that they rereleased quite a lot of these games back in the 360/PS3 era and none of them really did that well.
One of my favourite games of all time... I started contributing towards Supermodel partly because I wanted to get Daytona USA 2 running as closely to the arcade original as possible. One of my proudest achievements was improving the network emulation so that you could connect up to 16 players over a LAN (which you can't do in the Like a Dragon version).
Supermodel is alot better than what it is in like a dragon,the emulation seems somewhat more acurate,and little things like the roar of passing the CPU cars is not really present in like a dragon
It can't be overstated how incredible VF2 looked when it first came out and what it was like to be a gamer in those days. We went from the original Double Dragon to VF2 in 7 years.
It has to be said though, that Double Dragon had very basic graphics compared to some of the other stuff available at the time. For example Afterburner, Power Drift, Space Harrier, etc.
One thing you missed is the draw distance/pop in on Daytona 2 Model 3. Its been fixed on the Yakuza version, no more catch fence pop in etc.
That would suggest that this is a little more than emulation. Are you sure what you're describing isn't a supermodel problem? Does what you describe happen on the real PCB?
Easy to see @10:32 @10:38 @11:53 Says it's captured from Real HW@@lookitskazzy
Playing DAYTONA USA 2 on Like a Dragon Gaiden feels like you are playing on HD.
The draw distance/pop-in occurs on the real Model 3 as well, it's just less noticeable because of the lower resolution. Funnily enough I updated Supermodel not too long ago to make the draw distance/pop-in match the real Model 3; older versions actually looked better than the real thing. I should probably add an option to allow users to choose whether they want draw distances to be enhanced or to match the original arcade version.
Thanks both! Not familiar with the arcade version so really interesting stuff here!
Your day automatically gets better when John posts a DF Retro video.
your comment beat me to it
I was also going to say the same thing.
It's great, my favorite content on youtube atm.
Amen! TBH I really wish he covered fewer modern games and shifted his focus to mainly retro content. The technology driving the early days of 3D gaming is so much more utterly fascinating than today's graphics tech.
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Like a Dragon Infinite Wealth is suppose to add Spikeout and Virtua Fighter 3, so that's more Model 3 titles that will make for a home console (vanilla VF3 was never ported). And if they ever announced a Model 3 collection, or even a Model 1-3 collection with System 16 and 32 games, that would be an instant purchase.
This makes me so happy that that the Model 3 version of VF3 will finally have an official port, no more having to make do with the subpar Dreamcast port. VF3 on M3 still looks stunning to this day.
Come on Sega just give us the Sega Model Collection, various games from the 90s -00 model boards. Across all consoles and PC , that's what we really want
Thank you for making these. I know they take a ton of work. Huge fan of the DF Retro videos.
We are many.
We also love your channel Mr @RetroBirdGaming !
It would be nice, if they would re-release these titles as standalone digital titles, like they did in the PS360 times
yeah these gems shouldn't only be accessible from inside some japanese kareoke brawler.
@@GeordiLaForgeryLost Judgement, a game from PS5 also has Motor Raid, another arcade only game from 1997.
I miss XBLA games. High quality stuff like that has been replaced by low effort mobile quality shovelware on most storefronts.
Those rereleases always did terribly, which is why they haven't done it in ages
I wrote the rendering engine for the supermodel emulator. Ask anything :) The reason that the like a dragon gaiden emulation is too bright is because the lighting is clamped. In daytona they used an unclamped model which on the back faces will actually subtract from the ambient lighting. Since supermodel is open source .. I do wonder how much 'inspiration' they took when writing their own emulator. In supermodel if you create a custom 57.5hz resolution, supermodel will use this and work at the correct original frame rate, judder free. You don't even need a special screen to do this, it works on my nothing special 1080p asus display.
Thanks so much for your work in preserving these games!
I m 40 year old . When i was a young man the model 3 makes me dreaming. When i used your emulator for the first Time for playing Daytona 2 i had tears . It was a child gamer dream come to reality. Daytona 2 in my home.. just i Say before not enough word for saying thx you!!!!!!❤❤❤❤
@@stevenbatier6974 you are welcome :) Not just my hard work, but many other people too :)
@@MrDukeeeey so you re ALL amazing!!!
linux version will even autoswitch at 496x384 resolution on a CRT monitor
Definite props to Hitoshi Iizawa, plus the help from his buddy Ryutaro Hayakawa from way back in the CRI days, for their work on this port. It's been exciting to hear mentions of this "passion project from a single programmer who worked on the AM2 ports to Xbox 360/PS3 around 2010". I suppose the hope is that he keeps working on Like a Dragon ports as he has been since Yakuza 6: The Song of Life.
EDIT: I've just been informed Iizawa was a programmer again on Virtua Fighter 3tb Online, and Hayakawa was one of the system programmers.
Digital Foundry - SEGA's Ryuga Gotaku team announced that Virtua FIghter 3tb will be included in the 8th Ryuga Gotaku/Yakuza game. Also, they are contemplating on releasing a Model 3 Arcade compilation but in order to receive it, we'll need to make *A LOT OF NOISE* for them to recognise that there is a demand for it in the west. The louder the noise for all model 3 games with ROLLBACK NETCODE, full multiplayer online, Crossplay, all model 3 games with ranking modes and so on, the higher the chance we'll get it. No noise, no get.
How do we make this noise though? Do they not see these videos? Are they not aware of Supermodel or how good it is now? What do they fucking want from us?!
After all these years of people making content about how Sega need to port/rerelease/remaster/RESPECT the quality titles that not only made "Sega" such an exciting and innovative brand, but are also *literally keeping these titles and (to a certain extent) the name Sega alive*, Sega continue to piss around with the stuff that their longstanding fans actually want. Unless they start properly updating these IP's, there's only so long that these titles will be valid for. Nintendo generally respectfully curate their stuff as time goes by...but by mostly focussing on Sonic, etc and ignoring their legendary 3D arcade titles, Sega are heading into Atari territory.
Daytona 2 is without a doubt one of the greatest arcade racers ever made, but I'm not fucking buying an unrelated full price game because there's an *emulated, offline, 4:3, inferior version with fewer options and concessions to modern sensibilities of a game that i can play 4P splitscreen on my mid-range PC* that's available as as a fucking minigame plonked within it. All in the hope that they'll maybe, possibly, release something that i can actually give them some money for..? They've not even released VF5:US on PC *or even PS5! - it's PS4 back-compat!* Or the 360/PS3 version of Daytona 1/SRC on PC! Or Switch Virtua Racing on...anything else! Or not farm out Daytona Championship to a team that, for whatever reason, could only reverse engineer Sega Racing Classic and release it with nice graphics but no 4-way shifter! Or...Or..!
Sorry for the rant EAprima, this isn't really aimed at you and i love that John/DF have made this video, but Sega need to get a goddamn grip with this shit. My entire life i've watched them fart out wanky arcade conversions or make bizarre and disappointing release decisions - but making *the first and only home port of DAYTONA USA FUCKING 2, something i've been waiting more than 20 years for, a game-within-a-game* has finally tipped me over the (battle on the) edge. Dickheads. (Not you EAprima, sorry😢 )
@@TK1s_Big_LoveWELL SAID! Don't worry, I know you are not ranting at me and, trust me wholeheartedly when I say this, but everything you said... everything, I screamed it all at SEGA directly nearly 20 years ago! Yes. I shouted and screamed at SEGA's management. Quite simply, SEGA doesn't want to make easy money. So don't worry, I felt and understood every malice sentence you typed, and I whole heartedly agree with you.
Unfortunately, many of the people at SEGA are new and, once again, don't see beyond their office window and from their locale spaces. They only know Japan and Japan alone... They think they know the west but they don't know squat, and tons of them don't take the right initiative to learn the west properly so they can prevent themselves from making low-hanging fruit executions that resulted in botch and/weak conversations.
Oh yes. That supermodel version. Sorry, that version is DEFINITELY better than Sega's effort. Nothing beats playing Daytona USA 2 at 4K, wide screen, everything glossed up using the very latest supermodel emulate and with NETWORK PLAY OF UP TO 16 PLAYERS!!! OH yes, SHAME ON SEGA FOR NOT REACHING OUT TO THE SUPERMODEL TEAM. I know the guy that created the emu and he said he would have been DELIGHTED to help Sega get the code up and running so it can be used for anything they want. All the Supermodel team wanted more than anything was to have the Model 3 board games running perfectly on anything and everything, and they much rather have SEGA release the games than for people to go the high seas. Unfortunately, SEGA didn't do that. If they did do it, we could have had Sega Rally 2, Scud Race and Daytona 2 around 5 years ago because those three games especially were the closest to perfection.
as someone who still enjoys Daytona USA on Dreamcast and Series X (via 360 backward compatibility), and loved the Virtua Racing, Daytona & Sega Rally arcade cabinets as a kid, Daytona 2 & more Sega arcade classics coming to modern systems will always be welcome!
Just wanna say how much I appreciate the passion, dedication and attention to detail you put into these, John. These games really deserve it, but almost no one else would put this kind of work in. It's actually inspiring.
Thanks for this John, makes me miss Model 3 stuff so much, the arcades back in the 90s were so good
The Daytona DF Retro reintroduced me to one of my favorite game soundtracks of all time, so I'm happy to see coverage on the sequel!
G A M E O V E R
@@hundredhanded1205yep. The iconic yet generic GAME OVER screen in Daytona USA that i also ever played as a ringtone before.😅
John's retro gaming videos are the best content on Digital Foundry.
Agreed
100% Agree
I love these DF Retro videos. They really showcase these retro games, and can help to increase the viewer's understanding and appreciation of them.
Just don't dare play hogwarts legacy or john will call you a transphobe!!
@@dougr8646Get a life dude.
Go away troll @@dougr8646
Can we talk about how much of a treasure this man is? Another fantastic retro gaming video. Best in the biz!
Ive said it once and i'll say it again. There NEEDS to be a collection of Sega arcade racing games released. Just hook it to my veins!!!
John's videos are amazing. I hope he keeps doing this stuff for a very long time.
Having all this info so well documented is priceless and a fundamental part of preserving the legacy of these games.
Minor tip: in Daytona USA 1 arcade, you can make the developer credits show up by pressing start during the end sequence. (Daytona 3 does this by default during the credits)
Fun fact: Sega worked with Lockheed Martin to produce their 90's arcade games, and I believe they co-developed Model 3.
I vividly remember seeing Virtua fighter 3 the first time in an arcade in 1998. It was mind blowing. I thought maybe it was like Killer instinct, as in the backgrounds or characters were FMV. Nothing else I'd seen looked like that, even 2 years later.
It's a crime Sega seems to ignore releasing more of their arcade games officially. They do throw us a bone once in a while, but it's not enough. But I guess you can say that about most arcade only games.
Man the technical detail on these DF Retro videos is outstanding. So much nostalgia. Hats off to John and everyone at DF involved in this series.
Man, I remember how amazed I was the first time I saw Scud Race! The graphics were so good!
I'm just in awe. What a passion project. Thank you to the programmer and his/her colleagues that made the Like a Dragon version possible. Does my heart good to see the classics shown such respect and love. Bravo, Sega Entertainment. Bravo.
This is such an awesome video. I would love to see more videos based around arcades and just more DF Retro in general.
I bet they would but the cost and convenience of arcade machines isn't very accessible. Also, Arcade emulation is good but it's also much less approachable to people from a setup standpoint.
Not only did the game have a mind blowing graphics for the time, remember the machines also had strong force feedback which really contributed to the experience.
I've read several comments on TH-cam, saying that (most of, minus the intro theme) the Mitsuyoshi songs are apparently still there, and you enable them by holding start at the "Gentlemen, Start Your Engines" screen.
I've tried on PS4, and it didn't work for me.
Truly a shame 90's Arcade Racer (later renamed 90's Super GP) was never published by Nicalis
YES THIS!!!!!!!!!!!
John, I really LOVE the DF Retro stuff. Please keeping being awesome. Your work is appreciated more than you will ever truly know. :)
Man, Model 3 surely is my favorite leap in gaming technology. Having the PS1, Saturn and the Fog64 at home, entering a game center with Virtua Fighter 3 and Scud Race really felt like entering the future.
Because of the Model 3, I never was as hyped for a new console release than I was for the Dreamcast.
Now if only they could release Scud Race (which stays for me as the best racing game ever made). Oh yeah and Le Mans 24 which many seems to forget.
Le Mans 24 was amazing. I played the hell out of that game.
I hope they create a perfect emulated version of Tokyo Xtreme Racer 2. That game had the same chasis rattle when the car is traveling fast. Great Dreamcast game. Whatever happened to Genki?
You can tell immediately that this is a real labor of love, kudos John! Possibly my all time favourite df retro vid...outstanding 💪
Miss playing this game back in the arcades. A lost era for sure. Thanks for the video.
Fantastic episode, John! You perfectly captured what made Model 3 games so special at the time.
Sega is straight up leaving money on the table by not creating a 'Model 3 Collection' for PC and consoles. It's one of the few eras of retro gaming that is still marooned in the past.
What a time to be alive, then and now!
Lovely treat to be having my Saturday evening dinner watching a half hour. John linneman spectacular.
Thank you
While watching the SRC2 footage I just kept think about how great the sense of speed is. I had figured part of it was a nice FOV but the speed lines created by their texturing technique was not was I expected, that's very impressive.
I now wish these kind of textures were in every racing game.
John, I'm so glad you made this video. I share your enthusiasm for both Daytona and this period of arcade technology. This video answers so many of the questions I had around the emulation in Like a Dragon. Just hope this is a precursor to some standalone releases or collections of Model 3 games.
AM 2 .. was a magic studio. Daytona feeling is unique . I love this game so much !!
I play it this morning in endurance mode. God i want to buy a fanatec wheel for this!!!
I have a fanatec wheel, do you know if the game is compatible?
@@lorenzobelli4840 i don t really know but i think it ok
You know this was a heck of a lot more than a quarter to play in the arcade.
Sega super gt (Scud Racer) was a dollar at my arcade. I only played it twice in my youth.
I cracked up each time he said drop “a” quarter in.
Yea man, more like drop a dollar where I lived N.Y.C
All the model 3 games were a dollar. They cost 20K USD in the 90s.
I don’t remember the actual cost because I played it at Gameworks in Vegas. I remember mom gave me 20 bucks to load up the card and it was wiped out before I knew it.
YES YES YES, Great Video I remember jumping from killer instinct to Daytona2 in the arcades in 1996 alongside other games, but these where the hot ones for years. The games where so complete in the arcade and then you go home and start up the genisis or snes an say the arcades games look so much better....then you and you're buddies started planning the next day of quarters at the arcade....I miss those days. I really feel bad for any gamer that never experienced the arcades in the 90s .Great Video D1X
Them satisfying jiggle and vibration animations that accentuate gravity, air, and speed. Never understood why more games, even today, don't do better on this
When Switch got Virtua Racing and G-LOC, I thought for sure Daytona and Sega Super GT (SCUD Race) would come at some point.
I keep hoping they do.
Just what I expected from John covering Model 3 games. High quality content, extreme atention to detail and very insightfull.
Congrats!
Recently played this game in one of the Sega arcade buildings (now called GiGO) in Akihabara, Tokyo. Such a great experience!
It's crazy how Daytona USA 3 is just straight up a PC game and SEGA doesn't just throw it on Steam to charge like 15 dollars for it.
One day hopefully!
Was waiting for a video on daytona usa 2/model 3. the love I have for daytona usa 2 is huge and even playing it now is mind blowing sega knocked it out of the park with the model 3.
What a great time for gaming, when the arcade was always the best version to play. Respect for covering this DF.
Never liked a video this fast. I love this era of gaming too, I got to see Scud Race back then and was blown away. I hope they'll port it too, and if they make a simple compilation of the games and throw it on Steam I would instantly buy them
I think I could watch John talk about AM2 games for the rest of time.
Digital Foundry (Retro) needs to do a 5-hour long video of the Dreamcast.
Period.
YES!
Awesome video! Daytona 2 and the Model3 board was so far ahead of its time. The games still look great today. I’d love to have a collection of these on home consoles today. I built my own racing cab for mainly arcade racing games like this. A version of these games that could emulate linked cabinets for online play would be great. If Sega and Namco could just release some of these classics, it would be awesome!
Thanks again for taking the time to put together this video!
Yesssss thank you for this, the context for the era is sooooo important in appreciating the skills of AM2. Truly incredible geniuses 🥰
Amazing video! Hope one day we get a Daytona USA collection. Including the remaster version of Daytona 1, a similar version of 2 and a home console version of championship
Said it before and Ill say it again:
DF is essentially the John Linneman show. He's the best
Tremendous episode! Always fascinated by the Model 3 and this era of gaming in the mid to late 90s. Soo much can be discussed...I'll just leave it at, Thanks for this episode. 👍
Thanks for this , always love a look at the model 3 and that era in general was very special
Yes 🙌 thank you DF been yearning more of these kind of videos
it' a Great idea John ,It would be fantastic a stand alone collection likes sega ages and full compatibility with actual steering wheels,
with option to upscale to native 4k 16/9 and other feature likes scanlines...never stop dreaming! As always superb work of passion John!!!
Excellent video John, thank you so much for your hard work. I miss SEGA and it's magic, still can't get over that they had to abandon hardware manufacturing. It is fantastic that Daytona USA 2 can finally be experienced at home on a console. My PS5 is gonna be happy.
Is it out?
I get slightly upset when I see kids throw dirt at SEGA. They literally have no idea how important they are and have been for all of us who love video games.
Thanks for this awesome video John 👍🏼
The sega of now is nothing compared to the sega of before
I have so many good memories from Daytona USA in the ’90 on PC!
I'd love a df retro feature on the history of Virtua Fighter and its various home conversions. The Saturn port of VF2 and the ps2 adaptation of VF4 have always interested me given the vast difference in (complex) hardware compared to their arcade counterparts
I also was shocked sega added this as a playable game in the newest like a dragon game… was such an awesome moment stumbling into an arcade and realised I could play Daytona 2 at last!
I've been waiting so long for a proper Daytona USA 2 it seemed like it would never happen. I really hope Sega release a proper Model 2/3 collection, as 24 hrs is one of my favourites. I was always playing that in Sega world. Daytona 2 and 24hr were some of the few games I could play and win 1st in the arcades. Great memories!
Also my favorite 3D game time, we were just blown away by each release starting by virtua Fighter 1 Arcade. I am surprised and missing Ridge Racer other great contender that was pushing high end 3D / design / music and style! These were the pillars ridge Daytona and Sega rally.
Nobody makes videos like John. Incredible!
Downloaded Like a Dragon Gaiden: The Man Who Erased his name today so I could test out Daytona USA 2. Playing the first novice track the oval, it hit all the nostalgia feels. Then tried the 2nd track and it was hard as hell without the classic arcade setup of wheel and pedals.
Great video! Can't wait for the Virtua Fighter 3tb and Spikeout comparisons when Like a Dragon: Infinite Wealth comes out. Keep up the good work John, you are a legend.
Downloaded this Like a Dragon game from Game Pass at launch and grinded the initial hour just to find this arcade center to play Daytona 2. Made a save file there so I can comeback anytime 😊
I remember seeing these at the arcade for the first time, it was unreal. It wasn't until the Dreamcast that anything came near to the graphical quality and fluidity of these arcade games. Everyone would crowd around them to watch people play.
Scud Race! What a phenomenal racer back then! Never understand why there was never a home release. :(
A wonderful video! Thank you! I can't believe we are just now seeing model 3 on console.
Played Daytona on those slot machines in the mid 90s as a kid. Remember that the graphics and smoothness was waaaaay above anything else at the time. It wasnt until maybe PS2 before we got something that could compare.
Dreamcast (1998) was vastly superior to Model 2 arcade board.
Dude looked at Soul Calibur and demanded way more straight lines.
Great video! I'm hoping Daytona 2 will find it's way to the Switch (Virtua Racing is awesome on it)
What a treat of a video on a cool Saturday morning!! Thanks John! I guess it's time to buy Like a Dragon. AND...COME ON SEGA...bring us ALL your old back catalog!
Man I bought a Saturn for Daytona and virtua fighter 2 back in the day, but I've never even played Daytona 2. Such a shame things couldn't have went better for sega. I saw scud race in the arcade a bunch of times, and that blew me away.
Awesome video, there was nothing like walking into a 90's arcade as a new racing game was released. Although in the early comparisons, missing Ridge Racer and Rave Racer out was a misstep personally, probably the closest competition Sega had imo.
More DF Retro Videos are truly needed John. thank you for this awesome video!
Wow, you took me back hard! I was so excited to play these games and was wondering when I was going to get these graphics on Dreamcast or console...Sadly was never the same but a close port in the later years.. Super Gt Arcade was sexy. Thanks for the Video
So these games are all inside this new Like a Dragon game? If Sega can include here, then surely a standalone release is also doable - seems like a no brainer to do a separate compilation of these emulated titles!
There was something strangely emotional about that outro. This era of arcade games is always such a fascinating one.
Amazing recap of everything Model 3, John, thank you!
About Daytona Championship USA/Daytona USA 3, the original release actual had some problems and people found the game disappointing. However, the New Season Edition update, which was received well, brought so many changes like a handling model that is closer to Daytona USA 1, slightly improved visuals and an additional track.
I am surprised you didn’t point out the seemingly improved draw distance of the Like a Dragon version.
It could just be that I am looking at it through a phone, but the fence in the Like a Dragon version doesn’t appear to pop into existence like original hardware
Phenomenal job as usual John. Someone send a dev from Sega a link to this vid ASAP.
In the 90s, my best friend and me used to tell our parents we were going to each other’s houses and then take the tube all the way to Piccadilly Circus to play Daytona in the Trocadero. They had something like 8 full cabinets linked up in a long line and you would queue up to get on. The memory of the lights and noise and the attract music “Daytonaaaaaaa”. Happy days.
I was waiting for this video to come out! I really liked the filtering they added to visuals - gives it that grainy arcade look. I really do wish there were some audio options though as I would like to hear the engine sounds a bit more.
These retro videos are incredible. All of DF, really.
they need to put this and part one and virtual racing on a stand alone disc/ Nintendo switch cart.
The Japanese arcade racing game was the only reason I played racing games, I'm gonna buy the disc version, thank you for the overview it looks great.