I Cheesed Every Single Game In This $400 Tournament (Part 4)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ส.ค. 2024
- That second game lool
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can anyone else in the world cheese dark unsuccessfully, come back from behind, and bring dark to a draw? all while casting the entire game with a smile on his face? no?
you're one of the greatest of all time
he lost
@@AXharoth So? You go and beat Dark 😅
Dark was trolling
@@AXharoth dark offerred a draw what do you meaaann
He is my favourite streamer of starcraft2, only harstem can get close to his video's quality, but thermi says "adios" to us! Gracias por pensar en tu público hispano :)
When you open with a 22 rax reaper against the best zerg on the planet and then he offers you a draw and you refuse... legendary.
Rofl. Indeed! 🤣
ahh his army needed to be dead
Dark: u dare to reject this offer?!
KishibeRohan.exe
I woulda taken it
We're playing vs Dark, legendary opponent, world champion, korean champion you name it; and the video is almost 1hr long?! I'm strapped in for a banger!!
This is so fresh I am still waiting for top quality from TH-cam
+ he suggested draw 😅
Dark was probably pretty confused at that build ='D
it was not a banger
its pretty long for cheese but worth every minute
This man casts his own games live while playing against the best zerg in the world. You are fucking insane, I'm heading over to your Twitch for a sub.
Meanwhile, Dark had to hide in his base. :P
Your commentary from single player PoV is better than many casters with full information. Love ALL your series, thumbs up every video. Don't beat yourself up champ I thought the last game was awesome! That's what you are here for right, TH-camMan? Going blow for blow with the world champ and one of the most versatile players of all time and still to humble to call yourself a "professional"...
I guess he makes the distinction categorical and not based on skill level. Do you earn your living by winning starcraft tournaments? No? Then this is not your profession.
Hearing your thoughts about the decision making as you're playing is enjoyable. Excellent work.
That was amazing! Dark is so good! I love how you muling his back door really caught him off guard. I imagine he will have an overlord there in the future. What an incredible episode!
"muling his back-door" As dirty as it sounds =o
@@catbert7 it indeed was dirty as it can be
Dark offering a draw was kinda a wholesome moment
Dark's cheesy playstyle, innovative tactics and adaptability are almost legendary by now,
winning or loosing is no longer of importance when you can say that you play with the best.
dude, even tho u lost this games u got my outmost respect on how u handle DARK of all players... even getting a draw from him, dude cheers and congrats
Just gotta say - you are the man. It’s been 5+ years since I’ve played and watched SC2 and now I get pumped every morning to watch with my coffee. Keep up the awesome work and these games are amazing!
It is so funny, as your opponents skill improves the bar for being a complete psycho also changes. Your first placement match is always like “let’s pull a psycho move and expand in his back base and go ghost BC.” Once you start hitting high level GM it becomes “Guys I think I will do a psycho move of cutting an SCV for an extra hellion.” 🎉🎉🎉 love it!
I think game 2 is the most I've ever enjoyed watching SC2. Great game and commentary! Love ya work!
Sick second game oO. Commenting while playing sick strategy against Dark. You're an absolute mad man !
Even a draw against the World Champ is a win bro. You're a legend for turning it down
That reaper game was nerve wracking
38:31 “okay so how much money do I have?” Agentent “You’ve not enough minerals” 😅😢
What a banger game, holy crap mined out the whole map and then went for it, gg wp!
Man... epic start into the second game, incredible defense by dark, then a wild jump into a macro game after throwing down two MULEs to get into the back-base. I kinda felt let down you didnt settle for a draw and instead attacked into him. Draws are so rare, its always so exciting to see them happening - but maybe thats just me. GG anyway!
uhtermal with 30 barracks: let me make reactors, ooohh yeah.
I'm glad you played that game out instead of drawing. Really great to see what you might attempt in a situation like that. Respect! :-)
Hour long video, starting against Dark. I'm optimistic for a win
It's better than a win...
Is it me or did it look like Thermy could actually win game 2 with that much bank, so long as he could trade well enough and not straight up loose his whole army he could have done it.
yeah i think both players could win with patience
I don't think you could trade against that zerg army at all.
It was an army specifically designed to counter him. There's a reason he couldn't just go in, knowing he was likely broke
I also felt he had a chance at like 28min into the game. I also never understood why he never maxed out his army with that bank?
I was thinking of a nuke push, I remember innovation doing it against Serral back then, not sure if Innovation won that or not but I'm pretty sure the nuke push was convincingly good.
this might be the greatest game I have ever seen in my entire life.
So, taking notes, my new strategy against World Champion Dark:
- Wall off your natural;
- Build 22 barracks;
- ONLY build reapers until they nearly all die;
- Expand to a 4th base, transition into marine/marauder/ghost/mine/medivac;
- Starve him out;
- Wait until he offers a Draw;
- Actually accept the draw if it was me, I will take it.
Sounds good for my personal achievement. Now I just need to actually manage to reach out to Dark to try it:p
I think strategy is irrelevant if you can't compete with the multitasking and apm
@@cauchyschwarz3295 That's exactly why I stopped playing. My wrist couldn't handle it.
That was legendary in every aspect of that word
its always impressive watching someone beat him cuz hes so incredible. the last play from zerg, drop lurkers, send infesters, banes behind like just incredible from both players
Next time you should draw, but instead yolo for TH-cam I want you to go all out. Fly every building in a concave, pull the SCVs, make a massive surround, spread out all the spell casters, and F2 A-move. Epic game! Could have been even more legendary since Dark was just chillin.
That's kind of what uthermal did by going into the main. There is no way to attack into that many Infestors, vipers, and lurkers without losing.
Haven't played sc2 in 5 years as well here. Was a random that loved cheesing into macro. Didn't make it to gm. Your ability to do all this and cast against the best z is incredible, entertaining, educational and inspiring. I'm so tempted to reinstall.
Thermal, Marc, YOU DAH BEST!!!. I look forward to challenging you one day!! your content is amazing keep it up please. You inspire THOUSANDS around the world. please believe that! I am just one of many who maybe don't want to say what I am saying. Thank you Marc for being you. Keep it up, until we meet o7
I like to think of marc as the dark of terran, because they both play very unpredictably and unconventionally.
GG! That game 2 was insane.
Impressive you recovered to a draw, understandable you wanted more out of that game, but once you said he can't kill me and I can't kill him I realized a win wasn't in the books.
Unfortunately he went for entrench and let you choose between taking a draw or a loss, but in a way a masterful mindgame because he did get you with that... xD
The last time I watch SC2 TH-camr is Huskystarcraft. And your content makes me want to comeback to the game again. Great video!
When you started MULE mining the back door entrance I started grinning like an idiot the entire game. You lost that match but you definitely won the internet.
Dark is a pro gamer just like uthermal. Both are around the same in skills. Just a a game where an outcome is decided. More fun then a draw where both sides have so many units left
Lets be honest here, Dark is on top of the world, Thermy is not.
great game 2!
from watching maru a lot, what he does on those kind of situations vs infestors+vipers+army is going for ghost+liberators+army and use libs to zone out the infestors while ghosts try to defend against vipers with snipe and EMP
gg. that wow from dark was priceless! awesome
34:09 did he detonate all his banes?.. nevermind I think it's fog of war being weird
Here's an idea! While I highly doubt it's feasible at high levels, i'd love to see some sort of planetary fortress sillyness; proxies, rushes, ect. Keep bringing on the fantastic content!
Incredibly fun to watch
Thanks a lot
glad you're back at it, bro!
I understand your point of view, but a draw is so rare, and a draw v Dark is practically a win - I'd have taken it. GGs Marc - long may cheese to ESL cup win continue
totally agree, getting dark to offer a draw is a win - especially after rebounding after a failed cheese start!
What an awesome episode! That second game was awesome, the holy grail of starcraft lol
34:40 I love how he a-moved through two PFs with no appreciable diminution to the baneling count XD
Wow, an hour long and still entertaining all the way to the draw/loss! Just magnificent content ❤️
Man, you’re not only a good player, but a super cool person also)Really enjoyed this video and your commentary!1 hour vid was like a moment dam)
I feel like one or two tanks shelling away at the end there may have helped. When he moves in with the viper/infestors, hit them with a bunch of emps and then snipe the heck out of the lurkers. ...then again I suck so what do I know?
Halfway through the video I thought "Oh he actually wins against dark" Since the video was so long, I did not expect the last game to pan out like it did at all.
The Nidus sound will haunt me for the rest of my life
Thank you Blizzard !
22 racks Reaper is the new meta.
Thank you very much for those two games, that were really awesome. I tried the hellion ghost bc in ladder and got some success, but not many ggs!
These were some of the most fun games I've watched in a while.
Legendary game. You 22 rax reaper dark and got a "wow" from him before pushing him to ask for draw. DROP THE FREAKIN MIC'
The goat posted another one
Best game I’ve ever seen! 10/10. Will recommend to a friend.
Bro the fact that I dont even play SC2 or have any intentions too, yet watch your videos everyday should tell you that you must be doing something right.
One of the best games I've seen. What did Dark say?
I do think you should have went for 2+ simultaneous nukes when he had the entire map. It's such a pain to search the entire map for 3 red dots. You could drop them behind your main mineral line and force him to keep checking the entire map without finding it.
Oh and dark should have pushed in so that you could have a game 3.
Love the vids, glad to see you're feeling better.
With the Ghost BC build, would shifting into mines once you had a decent amount of hellbats maybe have helped? You did have the Armory, and could perhaps snipe the overseer.
You’re so good at SC, uT! How can you keep track of so many things at once 😵💫
Having 20000 hours in it would probably be a start:D
Best match yet!!! Well Done!
45:50 I really wanted to see a nuke dropped on that huge army lol
i don't know if that's even possible but .. Can't you add tanks in your first game composition in order to counter the banelings ? it could also allow you to get blue flames wich could be great
Or maybe some mines would do the job
I love what you're doing btw !
I never see Terran using their flying buildings late game. They are a resource like any other. They can be used to wall off portions of the map, fly above your army for spotting and making units hard to target. You had a ton of barracks that you would never use in the end. Use them.
He has infinite scans at that point
You're not wrong, but you're also wrong
Workers from both sides mining same gold while being under constant fire from both sides :D
The fact he sat in his base with the stronger army and is technically a "better" player is what's dishonorable. :P
You came so close! One of these days you’re going to knock him out Thermy - it’ll be the best meme own ever 😅
thermy: oooh, i did forget my orbital for a second or two there
me: ok, yea. well, you can do it now, nbd
thermy: yeah, looks like it's going to be about 2 seconds late... not gonna lie guys, that is not good... ok let's see if we can get back from this
me: jfc 💀
I feel like it would have helped Dark to have made swarm hosts instead of lurkers. Have I got that wrong? I'm sure it is, but I don't know why. Also like one siege tank, he would have to sacrifice a quarter of his army just to get it. He'd have to use a whole lot of infestors or vipers plus a lot of banelings to get rid of it, and he *has* to get rid of it or it will slowly eat everything he has on the ground.
In G1 vs Dark, I dont understand why you attacked his 3rd base instead of going back to the 4th and sending a hellion squad to the 5th. The creep spread at the 4th was recessed at the south. Sometimes like in G1 I see you try to attack down the middle and then get surrounded rather than continually going after expos. If you could comment on which bases to attack that would be great.
I really enjoy your videos. Binge watching them atm :)
really really cool how you tried to cheesed the best of the best ;) keep up the good content
Just wondering if walling in an enemy second base and camping your units behind that would be an effective cheese. I am not a terran player, but it sounds awesome.
How Uthermal loses intentionally, I don’t know what to build, I say things like, I didn’t expect lots of bannelings, I know he is out of money and killing off his workers, I will wait until he can build a 200 supply against my 174 supply, I absolutely refuse to build more than 1 raven, refuse to build speed banshees, I prefer to move my ground units around and wait 5 minutes. I refuse to max my army to 200 supply. He plays this tournament as if he was playing a challenge, let me handicap myself in the middle of the 😂tournament. I still think it was funny when you said, I didn’t expect that many Bannelings. Can you name me 1 top Zerg player that doesn’t throw out lots of bannelings?
What makes me think Uthermal threw this game? My opponent is out of money, sacrificing his workers, waiting till my opponent is at 200 supply, refusing to build air units, playing 174 supply, refusing to mine out and build a bank, refusing to get rid of my workers and go in with 200 supply, using only expensive units like ghosts, building how many barracks? Saying things like I don’t know how to play long game, refusing a draw and preferring the loss. Refusing to build counter air units. If you don’t believe me, watch the video and see what he says and does.
I was wondering why Maru threw some games, I guess it’s the money. LOL. I guess it’s like poker. Lose the small money games and win the big ones.
Can you do a segment where you focus on getting max upgrades... like 3/3 as fast as possible? And/or commentary on how good/bad upgrades are? I know it's fairly complex but I'm so curious to know more. Thanks. Love the content!
First time I see lings flying and spattering around 😂
This was incredible
This guy is making BANK with cheese 🗿
ah perfect timing to eat my lunch.
I love Ghost into BCs. Holy I love it
13:40: I have no idea why you went deep on creep with your whole army there. Defense was going well, then you just suicided. Also no Yamato. Was a great game up to that point.
OMG that Reaper game was the most wild shit I ever seen, Bro! I thought it was over and done 100% in the first 5 minutes. Then you got in there and I thought YOU had the win for sure! Honestly, I'm not sure how you didn't. Could have just camped the ramp to the natural and pounded any attempt to break it with nonstop grenades while killing his base with a small squad. And then it turns into late-game Ghost bio vs Bling caster. Absolutely nuts!
WOW! You got Dark to ask for a draw. That is impressive!
55:00: =OOOOOO
56:30: Again, why not camp the ramp? It would be down to whether he could Abduct enough Ghosts before his Vipers get Sniped or EMPd but it's the best fight you could hope for.
Sad ending to an incredible game. But, honestly, that's the game's fault. You made it as entertaining as it could be. Well, I would have preferred a 3rd game, I suppose ;p Still going into the bookmarks for that insane early-game =)
I'd be willing to bet that when you were so stuffed of minerals and had kept up with upgrades you may have smashed him with marines using medivacs and PFs to smash his Ling bane
I Am enjoying your games! Keep it like thins!
14:55 I built a nexus in the zergs pocket base on this map, it went unscouted and I mothership rushed, hitting right before he nydused me and he lost all his queens in the nydus and then ended up dying.
You're the Anton Oliver of Starcraft. :D
Now there's a reference 1 in a million will get. ;)
9:20 oh Okay!? I get it, here Dark sometimes has this terribly bad habit of just tunnel visioning his way into a degrading sort of losing game. If that makes any sense?! Anyways he has tunnel vision and he hasn't read Sun Tzu The Art of War so he's going to be doing this sort of "with the might of my mighty SWARM I WILL STORM THE CASTLE RAWRRRRRR～!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Right? RIGHT?? Like when you have other additional options available to him like just maybe a "Prolong Siege with spine/spore forest which eventually has upgraded Lurkers joining the siege!!!!! He could really drone up while maintaining a siege!! Yes it's actually really hard to balance in a precise way as to make just enough drones in order to still make the spine forest with spores when needed and the super mobile lings (kinda like shock troopers aren't they?) and the gradual eco progression which is going to farther supply your growing siege like containment of the enemy player. The balance between Static D, lings, and slow eco-growth is going to be key to victory here! And btw the balance between static D and lings is heavily sided on the static D side for the simple reason that they are also mobile Cthulhu like tentacles!!! How scary is that?? If there's any Unit in this game that can TRULY demoralize an opponent, it's the Spine Crawler!! When your eco grows enough, you have an interesting choice completely unique to the zerg!! That is of course the Lurker or the Swarm Host!! The GGLords ALSO count as a later late game-ish option as well. And also remember, you're not trying to storm the castle, you're trying to STARVE HIM OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That is key here! Ya I know, what a novel idea isn't it? Actually laying a seige to win a tournament game even, how fun would that be?? Instead of the usual scripted GARBAGE we've been getting lately eh?????
So yeah point is, if you truly wanna get good at this game, even though you'll will just be like "GET GOOD YOU STUPID NOOB LUL", well there ARE things you can do to get better, even if you lack the specific talent for playing an RTS game. Reading "The Art of War" is one of those things anyone can do to get that much better at playing ANY war simulated game rather it'd be the common RTS games or the 4X games or some other type of hybrid or something...
Great comment!
hey buddy awsome channel! ive learned so much from you, keep it up ! got a question - i mite of miss some info on this but just wondering do you cheese with terran and a proxy factory is that thing ??
I wish in the first game against dark you had taken advantage of the even bases and just transitioned into a macro game. Probably still wouldn't have won, but would have been cool to see a ton of fortresses trying to strangle him out.
Sweet... More Terran games Excellent!
Абсолютно непредсказуемый конец. Совершенно не ожидал такого исхода.
losing a game that should have been a draw is a lot more disappointing to me as a viewer than drawing a game tbh
Amazing recovery from mass reaper, great game!
Insane games by best proyoutuber ever
I think you just needed a tank to force his spores back and his vipers to the front
You are insane Marc
You play super awesome
I really hoped you beat Dark
Not to diss Marc, but Dark is a player so versatile that doesn't play just straight early aggro or late defensive games; he can aggro early and somehow transition into a winning late game. It is very hard to catch Dark off guard when you realized he doesn't have build order or plan like Lowko said "He just wing it" ; a testament to the sheer monstrous raw talent alone.
Then comes the second game, Marc did caught Dark off guard and what's more Dark is hella enjoying the moment playing with Marc and even offers a draw, that Dark fcking sees Marc as equal even though retired and loves playing fun StarCraft2.
Dark was having fun and wanted another game I think
Casting + playing one of the best zerg +chees=🤯
When the quantity - is the quality.
This is my Christmas. Present.
match 2 is one of the best matches ever!