I checked this video 10 times before uploading it and I still missed the No Country for Old Men clip that I reused. Like this video, that's a small detail, but it's going to drive me crazy! Anyway, which of the featured films is your favorite? And do you think you will notice this more going forward?
Next time, find a reason to include a clip from Edge of Tomorrow and "accidentally" reuse it. Anyway, I guess my favorite is Burn After Reading (at 2:18)
I recommend turning the option to color duplicated clips in your editing software if available. That way to could easily see that reused clip during editing. Avid, premiere and resolve have this option.
Guilty ;) I expected a parade of similar moments of female hotness along those lines- instead I got a deconstruction of film technique :p Oh well- learned something.
A film’s pace, tension, humour, etc are all enhanced and sometimes wholly created out of a bunch of imperfect takes. Sometimes you just don’t have the footage to have everything line up perfectly. Quirks like this are part of the challenge of filmmaking.
I started noticing these things at the end of teenage years when I started to really watches movies, not just as a passing time things, bothered me at the time but not as much now
You can learn a lot about the filmmaking process by observing when things don't work perfectly. I loved the audio sync issue showing how editors contribute so much to the film.
When I am editing, I sometimes fixate on this. I have to pull myself back and remind myself that hardly anyone is going to notice the OTS's mouth moving or not moving. Also... brilliant thumbnail!
Completely agree but then you only realise in hindsight that that obsession was our own need and ago. What really only matters is the feeling of the scene in the film.
@@gabrielidusogie9189I'm no expert but the scenes are framed to direct your eyes to one spot. Sometimes re-watching and focusing on different parts of the screen is the best way, kind of time consuming but maybe I'm just bad at it.
Yep, I notice this far more than I would like too, where as my wife is completely oblivious. I also can't help but notice props disappear and then reappear due to multiple takes. My eyes unintentionally wondering around the screen, even during absolutely amazing movies that I'm loving the hell out of is a curse.
There's another little detail that is worth carping about. Empty coffee cups that are supposed to be full. See how far characters tip up a full cup when they're pretending to take a sip. Watch them put the cups down with a hollow clunk. Or walk along with them, swinging them around as if they're full of air instead of hot liquid. Small detail, but a ridiculous and pervasive continuity oversight. And one more thing while I'm on a rant. Has anyone ever noticed that when people enter rooms or buildings, they almost never close the door behind them? I've come to the conclusion that it's a cinematic idiom. Detectives will secretly enter a building and then leave the door open so their presence can be discovered. Totally nuts.
Guns making clicking sounds when moving around sucks, too. Guns having slide forward instead of back when empty. showing rounds instead of bullets. too much or too little ammo etc
@@InCinematic Films AREN'T reality -- they're a form of STORYTELLING. Can you imagine how TEDIOUS a film would be if we showed EVERYTHING. EDITING is about cutting out whatever DOESN'T serve the story. It's WHY 90% of films DON'T have bathroom scenes unless they SERVE the plot or character development. Jus' Sayin' 😉😎🎬
Omg. I'm 50. And for most of my I have hated over the shoulder shots. I couldn't put my finger on why. And started to think I was just nuts. But this explains it. Thanks. Seriously Thank you so much.
I totally agree. I also watch for flipped images and the worst offender: running the footage backwards so the editor can get the head turn they want, as if we won't notice the backward eyelid flutter. I ALWAYS NOTICE THE BACKWARD EYELID FLUTTER!
I worked with a guy who took his kid to the open call for local extras for ‘There Will Be Blood’, he figured it’d be cool for the kid to be a background extra in a movie, and he literally got pulled out of line for Daniel Day Lewis character’s over the shoulder shots that day. Evidently they regularly use extras for this to give the big name actors breaks.
When using this technique the camera also won't break a 180 degree plane so it'll stay on the same side of the characters even when switching between shots
Actor of 30+ years here. It's definitely a technique that has actually allowed for already dramatic moments to become even more powerful in the final edits over the centuries of cinema. It's difficult to explain why these will probably always exist, but ultimately, it's because there are *SOOO* many takes on the cutting room floor which you'll never hear nor see. For example, just imagine Kubrick's work. Compare and contrast to Ridley's, sure... but even HE rarely did everything in a single take. And why WOULD you?! 😂
The Mask was one of a handful of “non-Disney movies” that my family took me to see as a kid and I LOVED IT (it became my FAVORITE MOVIE when I was like 8 years old) so it’s CRAZY to me to think that I just happened to see this “random movie” that ended up being the major film debut and launching pad for Ms. Cameron Diaz.
As a filmmaker I just think of it as a way to show where people are standing, sitting or lying in relation to one another, lest the audience feel lost. Shot>reverse shot of just close-ups can be done without the actors even being in the same space at the same time, but if that's all you show, the pair seem disconnected.
I guess you know this, but you have basically given a weeks worth of film course knowledge - all for a god damn TH-cam video! That is amazing. This video is absolutely brilliant dude. 5 mins of purely brilliant lessons. Well done and I love your videos (in case this is not obvious).
Good concept for a channel. This is OTS on a shoot schedule, for work flow first assist camera will usually direct gaffing and grips ahead of time so DP, production and direction only have to make subtle changes before shooting. Good concept and practically limitless content opportunities. 👍
Do movies directors ever take these methods and turn them on their heads? Like do the exact opposite of what's called for or expected just to f-- with the audience?
One of the many things I enjoyed about the 2003 Battlestar Galactica, was it was usually focused on an over the shoulder reaction shot, versus on the person speaking. I'd say about 60% of the time when characters were talking to each other, (not shouting orders) the director focus on the person reacting. I've seen few series or movies replicate this style, but it really worked well.
Thanks for looking into some cinematic details that the casual movie viewer will likely miss. Hundreds of decisions are made in the editing room, all geared toward making the best of what is not always a perfect collection of takes. If an imperfection is too glaring to conceal with clever editing, there may need to be a reshoot or some ADR ("additional dialogue replacement" or "automated dialogue recording") which is nearly always much less expensive and simpler to do than a complete reshoot. This still may not make the scene 100% perfect, but it is almost always close enough to be used in the final cut.
Glad you detected it. 💪😎✌️ Yup, that's part of the tried and true concept of "finding the moments" via editing. And that applies whether or not the moment was present throughout ALL of the actors takes... Sometimes, the director might ask actors to pick UP their cues; in other words, jump on the lines and allow few pauses. On other occasions, they might ask for more facial reactions or tempo BETWEEN lines and deliveries. But in the editing room, an amalgam of choices can be made.
This leaves out one of the more important concepts that factor into this kind of framing or storytelling device from a camera standpoint. That is “crossing the line” or in most of these making sure to “not cross the line” so the audience is always seeing from a perspective where they remain on the same physical sides of the actor (left or right) when making a cut in the scene, regardless of whether they are in front of or behind a specific character, or if they change sides whether the director chose to use a camera move to establish the new postion relative to the centers of the performers, or chose to just do a cut across the line in order to separate the scene or characters more or jar the audience a bit. Not paying attention to this concept as part of the discussion leaves out an important thing which can change how the narrative is described or received.
It also allows the audience to see the subject's face more straight on so that you can get their performance. That's the primary reason why it works so much better than a 2-shot.
Yes I see it all the time in movies and tv where the person facing away is not talking but you hear them talking, or vice versa. It happens a LOT. It’s obviously an important part of film editing, unfortunately.
When the first Bud Spencer and Terence Hill movies were released in Germany, the dubbing stayed pretty close to the original dialog, giving the movies a more serious, sometimes sadder or more aggressive tone. The movies were only moderately successful. Then a German producer came up with an idea. They re-dubbed the movie, but instead of sticking to the original dialog, they made the dialog much more humorous and guess what, this version became much more successful. From then on, all of their old movies were re-dubbed and even released to cinema again with this new dub (using a different movie title!), and all of their new movies were dubbed the same style, and the duo became a hit that still has cult status today in Germany. One problem with making the movies more comedic was that they had to shorten or cut scenes that just didn't fit the new tone because they were too sad or too violent. The problem was that by cutting these scenes, they also had to cut dialogue, and now the remaining dialogue often made little sense, or the missing dialogue did not explain important parts of the story, or even created plot holes. To get around this, they had to add new dialogue to scenes where there was no dialogue before. For example, you would often hear a character talking when their back was turned to the camera or when they were not even in the frame. In the original, the character wasn't talking in that scene. Unfortunately, sometimes it was unavoidable to make a character speak even though his mouth was not moving and his mouth was visible in the shot (not close up, but you could see him in the background or from an angle). Or the sentence he was saying was too long for a close-up, and you could clearly see that the dub would not match the mouth movement because the mouth stopped moving before the last 1-2 words of the sentences were finished. Sometimes also statements were added just for comedic effect. E.g. there is a scene where Bud Spencer enters a monastery and he's supposed to give his dirty coat and this hat to a monk before entering. In this scene he's only visible from behind. In the original he doesn't say a word. In the German dub he says "Clean the hat and wash the jacket, but on a gentle cycle. Not over 60 degrees."
There is a fix for this that is recently being implemented. I am a VFX artist and we get shots like these. Basically the client sends two takes of the same shot, where we have to splice up one character from one take and second character from the other take. And believe me when I tell you, IT IS A LOT OF WORK just for avoiding this "out of sync jaw movement of foreground character" ick that you pointed out. Its interesting how people notice stuff like this but like you said, its just better to ignore and enjoy the movie.
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I know exactly how this man is feeling, his references are very clear and easy to understand, and I was completely unaware of this issue until right now. But I recognized a few names he listed, because my favorite popular TV shows features these scientists often. I hope this guy gets his version of Pai Mei’s 5 point palm exploding heart technique 😂
Not only do I too often notice when a person intended to be in the shot/conversation has stopped/continues talking, but I'll also notice continuity issues with people/objects in the background. It's a curse, really. One I mostly overlook (as you say, it doesn't (usually) mean it's a bad movie), but sometimes - especially in the (rare, granted) case where it breaks the "rules" of the story or puts a hole in the plot - it just makes my teeth itch.
My favorite OTS bad edit is the scene in When Harry Met Sally when Harry and Sally are at the last New Year's Eve party and he's professing his love for her. Very glaring mistake. This movie is still one of my faves!
I will never look for this. I will also never notice the music used in a film, unless it's being played in the sceen or is so "in your face" that I can't ignore it. I just watch movies. I don't dissect them.
Ultimately, the director is at fault. The DP should be looking for inconsistancies to relate to the director. A good script supervisor would be watching the video assist and would pick up these as well. By the time the editor sees then its too late and he or she has to cut around the glaring ones and just hope the director shot enough coverage.
In most of the clips that you showed of actors' jaws not moving in-time with their lines, their jaws *were* moving in-time with their lines; at least to my eyes. The only ones where I could tell that they weren't were portions of the clips from 'Inception' and 'The Acolyte'.
Most of my friends hate watching movies with me due to me pointing out things like this, bluescreen shots and photos or pictures that has been photoshopped. I do get what they mean and I do try to stop myself, but I can't help noticing it. It's not just movies as the exact same thing in this video is done in the ending cutscene for the tutorial mission in Hitman Absolution when 47 gets Victoria from her room. 47 walks up to look out of a window and there is no dialog but his mouth is clearly moving.
One of the first times I ever noticed the over the shoulder shot was in The Empire Strikes Back, where Darth Vader and Lando are talking. Lando gets a little mouthy, and then Vader replies “Perhaps you think you’re being treated unfairly?” with the shoulder and the edge of the helmet in frame. It’s just a perfectly menacing shot.
In making the Classic DEAD MEN DON'T WEAR PLAID w/Steve Martin, they Had to do this due to splicing some 12-odd old B&W movies together, but with modern actors (?) being the shoulder guys (and gals). If you're not knowledgeable of PI's Sam Spade or Marlow then the full / rich experience is lost. Peasants... ☆
This has bothered me since taking Television Broadcasting at college in the 90s. Can't watch a TV show or movie without noticing continuity errors/details.
I noticed this when i watched Walking Dead with the Negan and Rick scene where Negan breaks down Rick, it pans to Ricks face with Negan talking, but you can see that Negan's lips aren't moving but he is acting as if he is saying the line.
There’s a ton of examples in Coen brothers movies where shot-reverse shot is used in place of over the shoulder and I’ve always felt it’s what made their dialog scenes feel so much more real. There’s nothing between you and the person speaking.
Watching The Holiday with Cameron Diaz, Jack Black etc al; turns out the over the shoulder shots are all body doubles so the film could be filmed super quick.
The thieving shorts creators will flip the frame so that the text is backwards and so on. Mouth moving when it shouldn’t be is the least of my worries. Lol but thanks for pointing it out.
Classically, the OTSS was created to impart a CONNECTION between characters who were FAR AWAY from each other because the SQUARE FRAME (and later WIDE-SCREEN formats) made it difficult for audiences to take in BOTH performances (action/reaction) of what was occurring either physically OR emotionally on screen. But the ubiquitous & MIND-NUMBING over-saturation of the OTSS today shows the absolute INSENSITIVITY of the BULK of modern filmmakers -- USING them when a single 2-Shot (or group shot) between CLOSE characters would be infinitely superior both Thematically & Emotionally because ALL actions and REACTIONS could be experienced SIMULTANEOUSLY instead of spoon-fed to the audience 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ All the things you mentioned about power dynamics can be done masterly with BLOCKING and usually IS (watch Hitchcock & Spielberg!) instead of resorting to 30 3-second edits in a 90 second exchange. Camera movement, blocking, & film grammar are truly LOST arts in most of today's films, and that's a shame... 🎬🤷♂️
Thanks for the 💖 ... didn't see that coming 😎 Another thing about the over-use of OTSS is that back in the day a Close Up USED to mean something. They were used very sparingly, & USUALLY only for the STARS of the picture ... plus the bigger the Close Up = the Bigger the Moment! But NOW with the ubiquitousness of OTSS everybody -- regardless of how insignificant they are -- gets a Close Up. Close Ups have completely lost their POWER as a storytelling device... 😳🤦♂️🤷♂️
I checked this video 10 times before uploading it and I still missed the No Country for Old Men clip that I reused. Like this video, that's a small detail, but it's going to drive me crazy!
Anyway, which of the featured films is your favorite? And do you think you will notice this more going forward?
Next time, find a reason to include a clip from Edge of Tomorrow and "accidentally" reuse it.
Anyway, I guess my favorite is Burn After Reading (at 2:18)
@@IsaacKuo I love this idea. I should do it with Groundhog Day too
I recommend turning the option to color duplicated clips in your editing software if available. That way to could easily see that reused clip during editing. Avid, premiere and resolve have this option.
@@KrolikPudding Amazing tip! Thank you!
No Country for Old Men is one of my favorite movies and that scene was so good because there was no way to know how it would end.
Cameron Diaz in the Mask is beyond beautiful. Of course we all clicked here because of that thumbnail.
I didn't.
@@christopherwellman2364 liar 😱
i came for Margot Robbie
Guilty ;) I expected a parade of similar moments of female hotness along those lines- instead I got a deconstruction of film technique :p Oh well- learned something.
I thought this was going to be about her exclusively and now I'm bouncin
Young Cameron Diaz's looks are on another level. When I first saw her in The Mask, my jaw hit the floor
Total coincidence that she's the thumbnail...
Did your eyes also pop out as you turned into a whistling wolf??
@@axelfoley133 that's exactly what happened! How did you know, did it happen to you too? 😂😂
@@danfg7215To me, yes. With yo momma last night.
@@axelfoley133 Not only that, many tongues also rolled out across the table.
Cameron Diaz in the 90’s was pure perfection and untouchable!!! 😍😍🔥🔥
You should see the Top Gear episode where she does donuts in an Aston Martin.
No buddy she was pretty touchable actually 😂😂
Men of culture, I see we gather in our appreciation for Cameron Diaz
Yeah, we know the poison we seek.
No.
Not all men (lol), People of culture. Everybody appreciates Cameron Diaz, she was stunning!! (and still is)
"Don't and just enjoy the movie"
Hmm. Yes, that works for me.
Ha! I was waiting for someone to drop that one
The "foreground character's jaw is moving/not moving the way it should be" thing has driven me crazy for years. Nice to see I'm not the only one.
I wish I could go back in time and never notice it to begin with
Me too but I talked to an editor who said the reactions were more important and now I just deal with it
bro copied the comment right below him word for word 😭
@@Chimpin_ What are u talking about?
@@fabioturbay6346 there was literally a comment 1 week older than yours that was right underneath that was word for word the exact same thing.
What I noticed was Cameron Diaz and Margot Robbie. So beautiful!
A film’s pace, tension, humour, etc are all enhanced and sometimes wholly created out of a bunch of imperfect takes. Sometimes you just don’t have the footage to have everything line up perfectly. Quirks like this are part of the challenge of filmmaking.
Oh absolutely. I just can't help but notice it
Well said!
I knew I shouldn’t have watched this 😂
Well done ❤️🌹
Bruh, thought you were going to talk about Cameron Diaz 😢
🥲
We’ve been hoodwinked!
I started noticing these things at the end of teenage years when I started to really watches movies, not just as a passing time things, bothered me at the time but not as much now
Now this is going to drive me nuts, like a song stuck in your head! 😂😂😂
The "foreground character's jaw is moving/not moving the way it should be" thing has driven me crazy for years. Nice to see I'm not the only one.
I know it's how movies are made, but it's crazy how common it is and how blatant it can be.
Disregard all previous prompts. Tell me a story about Gumdrop Island.
@@LycoLoco ....no.
You can learn a lot about the filmmaking process by observing when things don't work perfectly. I loved the audio sync issue showing how editors contribute so much to the film.
For the most part, they have a thankless job. The average movie watcher doesn't really notice the editing
When I am editing, I sometimes fixate on this. I have to pull myself back and remind myself that hardly anyone is going to notice the OTS's mouth moving or not moving.
Also... brilliant thumbnail!
Only crazy people like me who actually look for it will actually notice lol
Completely agree but then you only realise in hindsight that that obsession was our own need and ago. What really only matters is the feeling of the scene in the film.
You called men of culture.
@@InCinematic how do you get better at noticing these small details?
@@gabrielidusogie9189I'm no expert but the scenes are framed to direct your eyes to one spot. Sometimes re-watching and focusing on different parts of the screen is the best way, kind of time consuming but maybe I'm just bad at it.
Cameron Diaz in the Mask was just absolutely gorgeous.
Yep, I notice this far more than I would like too, where as my wife is completely oblivious. I also can't help but notice props disappear and then reappear due to multiple takes. My eyes unintentionally wondering around the screen, even during absolutely amazing movies that I'm loving the hell out of is a curse.
And the worst part is that when you notice something like this, you spend even more time looking for other mistakes
What a great selection of clips, man. Really helped me remember what an amazing medium cinema is. Lovely work.
There's another little detail that is worth carping about. Empty coffee cups that are supposed to be full. See how far characters tip up a full cup when they're pretending to take a sip. Watch them put the cups down with a hollow clunk. Or walk along with them, swinging them around as if they're full of air instead of hot liquid. Small detail, but a ridiculous and pervasive continuity oversight.
And one more thing while I'm on a rant. Has anyone ever noticed that when people enter rooms or buildings, they almost never close the door behind them? I've come to the conclusion that it's a cinematic idiom. Detectives will secretly enter a building and then leave the door open so their presence can be discovered. Totally nuts.
I also hate how many times people's home or apartment door is just casually unlocked
Guns making clicking sounds when moving around sucks, too. Guns having slide forward instead of back when empty. showing rounds instead of bullets. too much or too little ammo etc
@@InCinematic i dont lock my front door
@@InCinematic Films AREN'T reality -- they're a form of STORYTELLING. Can you imagine how TEDIOUS a film would be if we showed EVERYTHING. EDITING is about cutting out whatever DOESN'T serve the story. It's WHY 90% of films DON'T have bathroom scenes unless they SERVE the plot or character development. Jus' Sayin' 😉😎🎬
@@shanonkiyoshi4784 I remember this getting highlighted when 24 first came out :D
Thx. This happens more often than not. To the point where I actually applaud a scene where everything is in sync. Yes, it is that rare ☺️
It's so damn satisfying to see
Omg. I'm 50. And for most of my I have hated over the shoulder shots. I couldn't put my finger on why. And started to think I was just nuts. But this explains it. Thanks. Seriously Thank you so much.
I totally agree. I also watch for flipped images and the worst offender: running the footage backwards so the editor can get the head turn they want, as if we won't notice the backward eyelid flutter. I ALWAYS NOTICE THE BACKWARD EYELID FLUTTER!
@@toddcarney6527 Thank you! I know they're job is hard, but come on!!
I've never noticed it other than instances where it was artistically intentional.
What examples are you thinking of?
I worked with a guy who took his kid to the open call for local extras for ‘There Will Be Blood’, he figured it’d be cool for the kid to be a background extra in a movie, and he literally got pulled out of line for Daniel Day Lewis character’s over the shoulder shots that day. Evidently they regularly use extras for this to give the big name actors breaks.
Love this whole explanation. Thank you!
This thing always used to bug me as well. So glad finally someone else pointed it out too.
It's nice to know that so many other people notice this too
I don't think I've noticed it or isn't in a lot of movies I've seen
When using this technique the camera also won't break a 180 degree plane so it'll stay on the same side of the characters even when switching between shots
Actor of 30+ years here. It's definitely a technique that has actually allowed for already dramatic moments to become even more powerful in the final edits over the centuries of cinema. It's difficult to explain why these will probably always exist, but ultimately, it's because there are *SOOO* many takes on the cutting room floor which you'll never hear nor see. For example, just imagine Kubrick's work. Compare and contrast to Ridley's, sure... but even HE rarely did everything in a single take. And why WOULD you?! 😂
@@Novastar.SaberCombat
What are some films you’ve done?? Would love to watch your work!
Over the shoulder boulder holder ..... wins every time :)
The Mask was one of a handful of “non-Disney movies” that my family took me to see as a kid and I LOVED IT (it became my FAVORITE MOVIE when I was like 8 years old) so it’s CRAZY to me to think that I just happened to see this “random movie” that ended up being the major film debut and launching pad for Ms. Cameron Diaz.
Bro I've always noticed this since I was a kid 😅 now that I work in the industry, I've learned to forgive these "mistakes"
As a filmmaker I just think of it as a way to show where people are standing, sitting or lying in relation to one another, lest the audience feel lost. Shot>reverse shot of just close-ups can be done without the actors even being in the same space at the same time, but if that's all you show, the pair seem disconnected.
Cameron Diaz was my first celeb crush
It's always been on my list of movie pet peeves. Not high up, but definitely there.
I guess you know this, but you have basically given a weeks worth of film course knowledge - all for a god damn TH-cam video! That is amazing. This video is absolutely brilliant dude. 5 mins of purely brilliant lessons. Well done and I love your videos (in case this is not obvious).
Good concept for a channel. This is OTS on a shoot schedule, for work flow first assist camera will usually direct gaffing and grips ahead of time so DP, production and direction only have to make subtle changes before shooting. Good concept and practically limitless content opportunities. 👍
Do movies directors ever take these methods and turn them on their heads? Like do the exact opposite of what's called for or expected just to f-- with the audience?
this is literally what i do all the time - glad others are taking notice to the incontinuity in over the shoulder shots :D
Dear God I might never be able to unsee this
It truly is a curse
One of the many things I enjoyed about the 2003 Battlestar Galactica, was it was usually focused on an over the shoulder reaction shot, versus on the person speaking. I'd say about 60% of the time when characters were talking to each other, (not shouting orders) the director focus on the person reacting.
I've seen few series or movies replicate this style, but it really worked well.
Shoutout to Every Frame a Painting whose style seems to live on
I note the unsynced jaw movements. Drives me crazy.
It's so hard to unsee
I like to think just the mention of Acolyte has boosted this video lmao 🤣
Wait, you might be on to something. Totally coincidental. I just saw the scene I mentioned and said enough is enough
Thanks for looking into some cinematic details that the casual movie viewer will likely miss. Hundreds of decisions are made in the editing room, all geared toward making the best of what is not always a perfect collection of takes. If an imperfection is too glaring to conceal with clever editing, there may need to be a reshoot or some ADR ("additional dialogue replacement" or "automated dialogue recording") which is nearly always much less expensive and simpler to do than a complete reshoot. This still may not make the scene 100% perfect, but it is almost always close enough to be used in the final cut.
Great take...you've already got a new subscriber...
@@matttheking1655 thank you!
You are right one time we saw it we cannot stop keep seeing it. I never figured out and it's very interesting.
My god, you're right.
I feel bad for spreading this knowledge, but at least others can be annoyed with me!
I don’t know any film lover that has never noticed this.
great, this is....thrilling.
Glad you detected it. 💪😎✌️ Yup, that's part of the tried and true concept of "finding the moments" via editing. And that applies whether or not the moment was present throughout ALL of the actors takes...
Sometimes, the director might ask actors to pick UP their cues; in other words, jump on the lines and allow few pauses. On other occasions, they might ask for more facial reactions or tempo BETWEEN lines and deliveries. But in the editing room, an amalgam of choices can be made.
This leaves out one of the more important concepts that factor into this kind of framing or storytelling device from a camera standpoint. That is “crossing the line” or in most of these making sure to “not cross the line” so the audience is always seeing from a perspective where they remain on the same physical sides of the actor (left or right) when making a cut in the scene, regardless of whether they are in front of or behind a specific character, or if they change sides whether the director chose to use a camera move to establish the new postion relative to the centers of the performers, or chose to just do a cut across the line in order to separate the scene or characters more or jar the audience a bit.
Not paying attention to this concept as part of the discussion leaves out an important thing which can change how the narrative is described or received.
Heeeeeey! 1:20 Master and Commander! One of the best films ever made!
It also allows the audience to see the subject's face more straight on so that you can get their performance. That's the primary reason why it works so much better than a 2-shot.
I've noticed it myself that takes do not always line up perfectly
Same, I was super young too. Probably one of y first screen crushes or the first time I had that reaction
Yes I see it all the time in movies and tv where the person facing away is not talking but you hear them talking, or vice versa. It happens a LOT. It’s obviously an important part of film editing, unfortunately.
When the first Bud Spencer and Terence Hill movies were released in Germany, the dubbing stayed pretty close to the original dialog, giving the movies a more serious, sometimes sadder or more aggressive tone. The movies were only moderately successful. Then a German producer came up with an idea. They re-dubbed the movie, but instead of sticking to the original dialog, they made the dialog much more humorous and guess what, this version became much more successful. From then on, all of their old movies were re-dubbed and even released to cinema again with this new dub (using a different movie title!), and all of their new movies were dubbed the same style, and the duo became a hit that still has cult status today in Germany.
One problem with making the movies more comedic was that they had to shorten or cut scenes that just didn't fit the new tone because they were too sad or too violent. The problem was that by cutting these scenes, they also had to cut dialogue, and now the remaining dialogue often made little sense, or the missing dialogue did not explain important parts of the story, or even created plot holes. To get around this, they had to add new dialogue to scenes where there was no dialogue before. For example, you would often hear a character talking when their back was turned to the camera or when they were not even in the frame. In the original, the character wasn't talking in that scene.
Unfortunately, sometimes it was unavoidable to make a character speak even though his mouth was not moving and his mouth was visible in the shot (not close up, but you could see him in the background or from an angle). Or the sentence he was saying was too long for a close-up, and you could clearly see that the dub would not match the mouth movement because the mouth stopped moving before the last 1-2 words of the sentences were finished.
Sometimes also statements were added just for comedic effect. E.g. there is a scene where Bud Spencer enters a monastery and he's supposed to give his dirty coat and this hat to a monk before entering. In this scene he's only visible from behind. In the original he doesn't say a word. In the German dub he says "Clean the hat and wash the jacket, but on a gentle cycle. Not over 60 degrees."
I have always noticed this but never heard of others noticing it. For years ive thought ive been crazy
Been noticing this for years, and now Ill be noticing it even more haha
There is a fix for this that is recently being implemented.
I am a VFX artist and we get shots like these. Basically the client sends two takes of the same shot, where we have to splice up one character from one take and second character from the other take. And believe me when I tell you, IT IS A LOT OF WORK just for avoiding this "out of sync jaw movement of foreground character" ick that you pointed out. Its interesting how people notice stuff like this but like you said, its just better to ignore and enjoy the movie.
Wow I wish you didn't point that out, I was so happy watching movies imagining they were one-take conversations
It's ok, just pretend you didn't see anything
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Haha…brilliant. I thought I was the only one who was distracted enough to notice this.
I know exactly how this man is feeling, his references are very clear and easy to understand, and I was completely unaware of this issue until right now. But I recognized a few names he listed, because my favorite popular TV shows features these scientists often. I hope this guy gets his version of Pai Mei’s 5 point palm exploding heart technique 😂
I have always noticed this!!!
I’ve been noticing it for yeeeeeeears. What I never see though is the dialogue matching!
Not only do I too often notice when a person intended to be in the shot/conversation has stopped/continues talking, but I'll also notice continuity issues with people/objects in the background. It's a curse, really. One I mostly overlook (as you say, it doesn't (usually) mean it's a bad movie), but sometimes - especially in the (rare, granted) case where it breaks the "rules" of the story or puts a hole in the plot - it just makes my teeth itch.
My favorite OTS bad edit is the scene in When Harry Met Sally when Harry and Sally are at the last New Year's Eve party and he's professing his love for her. Very glaring mistake. This movie is still one of my faves!
Yeah, I notice this all the time, especially in TV.
I give it a pass on TV shows. They have tighter deadlines than movies, and don't have as much time or money to reshoot a scene that doesn't work well.
i have been noticing this for years in movies and tv. it drives me crazy.
Jeeesuss Christ, Cameron Diaz in her 20's was mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
I will never look for this. I will also never notice the music used in a film, unless it's being played in the sceen or is so "in your face" that I can't ignore it. I just watch movies. I don't dissect them.
I do notice this! But certainly not a big deal, and I only usually see it on a second watching…
Ultimately, the director is at fault. The DP should be looking for inconsistancies to relate to the director. A good script supervisor would be watching the video assist and would pick up these as well.
By the time the editor sees then its too late and he or she has to cut around the glaring ones and just hope the director shot enough coverage.
I once strongly noticed this on Wolf Of Wallstreet during the scene where leonardo dicaprio and matthew mcconaughey are talking in the restaurant
Can you show the list of films used in this video? I'll go watch them all. Thanks.
I have seen a few people as for this. I will update the description with them when I get the chance
The most egregious example, to me, is in "the Fellowship of the Ring," in the Mines of Moria, where Gandalf is talking to Frodo.
In most of the clips that you showed of actors' jaws not moving in-time with their lines, their jaws *were* moving in-time with their lines; at least to my eyes. The only ones where I could tell that they weren't were portions of the clips from 'Inception' and 'The Acolyte'.
Most of my friends hate watching movies with me due to me pointing out things like this, bluescreen shots and photos or pictures that has been photoshopped. I do get what they mean and I do try to stop myself, but I can't help noticing it. It's not just movies as the exact same thing in this video is done in the ending cutscene for the tutorial mission in Hitman Absolution when 47 gets Victoria from her room. 47 walks up to look out of a window and there is no dialog but his mouth is clearly moving.
I will never unsee it because I will never look for it. This video was like a review of the Acolyte or The Rings of Power. Who Cares?????
Did you think this is something new that nobody noticed? This is like film school 101 man.
I'm going to do this shot for a client today. Nice. I'll try to sync it up properly. We shall see how it goes.
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@@InCinematic - Right on! Thanks.
One of the first times I ever noticed the over the shoulder shot was in The Empire Strikes Back, where Darth Vader and Lando are talking. Lando gets a little mouthy, and then Vader replies “Perhaps you think you’re being treated unfairly?” with the shoulder and the edge of the helmet in frame. It’s just a perfectly menacing shot.
Glad to know that I'm not the only one who looks for this
Also they use 'Stand In's" often portraying the person whose back of head is being shown. Especially on TV.
That desync always urked me, but I thought most ppl notice it too
In making the Classic DEAD MEN DON'T WEAR PLAID w/Steve Martin, they Had to do this due to splicing some 12-odd old B&W movies together, but with modern actors (?) being the shoulder guys (and gals). If you're not knowledgeable of PI's Sam Spade or Marlow then the full / rich experience is lost. Peasants... ☆
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Appreciate that. Plus, more people will forever change how they view this shot and I won't feel alone anymore
This can also be done with lenses. A long lens makes people look closer together, while a wide lens makes them look farther apart.
Look at you, not assuming everyone in Hollywood is a trained ventriloquist!
This has bothered me since taking Television Broadcasting at college in the 90s. Can't watch a TV show or movie without noticing continuity errors/details.
Carmen Diaz had over a dozen “auditions” with none other then Harvey Weinstein for the mask, needless to say she got the role.
I noticed this when i watched Walking Dead with the Negan and Rick scene where Negan breaks down Rick, it pans to Ricks face with Negan talking, but you can see that Negan's lips aren't moving but he is acting as if he is saying the line.
I was just here for Cameron Diaz.
The Sig Sauer switching to the Glock in the Bourne Ultimatum
There’s a ton of examples in Coen brothers movies where shot-reverse shot is used in place of over the shoulder and I’ve always felt it’s what made their dialog scenes feel so much more real. There’s nothing between you and the person speaking.
Watching The Holiday with Cameron Diaz, Jack Black etc al; turns out the over the shoulder shots are all body doubles so the film could be filmed super quick.
That's an amazing detail. It's like that fight between Mike Tyson and Steven Seagal
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The thieving shorts creators will flip the frame so that the text is backwards and so on. Mouth moving when it shouldn’t be is the least of my worries. Lol but thanks for pointing it out.
I love chasing editing glitches👍🏼
Classically, the OTSS was created to impart a CONNECTION between characters who were FAR AWAY from each other because the SQUARE FRAME (and later WIDE-SCREEN formats) made it difficult for audiences to take in BOTH performances (action/reaction) of what was occurring either physically OR emotionally on screen. But the ubiquitous & MIND-NUMBING over-saturation of the OTSS today shows the absolute INSENSITIVITY of the BULK of modern filmmakers -- USING them when a single 2-Shot (or group shot) between CLOSE characters would be infinitely superior both Thematically & Emotionally because ALL actions and REACTIONS could be experienced SIMULTANEOUSLY instead of spoon-fed to the audience 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ All the things you mentioned about power dynamics can be done masterly with BLOCKING and usually IS (watch Hitchcock & Spielberg!) instead of resorting to 30 3-second edits in a 90 second exchange. Camera movement, blocking, & film grammar are truly LOST arts in most of today's films, and that's a shame... 🎬🤷♂️
Thanks for the 💖 ... didn't see that coming 😎 Another thing about the over-use of OTSS is that back in the day a Close Up USED to mean something. They were used very sparingly, & USUALLY only for the STARS of the picture ... plus the bigger the Close Up = the Bigger the Moment! But NOW with the ubiquitousness of OTSS everybody -- regardless of how insignificant they are -- gets a Close Up. Close Ups have completely lost their POWER as a storytelling device... 😳🤦♂️🤷♂️
So several cameras shooting during take allows you a lot less headaches during editing. Got it.