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Lies, Deception, and ProJared - The Story of ProJared
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ส.ค. 2024
- ProJared has had a very typical rise, a heavy contrast to how his channel collapse in less than 48 in 2019, as fast as it happened it was forgotten and many are still unaware to the full extent of the chaos, in this video we will attempt to capture it all.
Twitter: / joontheking1 (@joontheking1)
Discord: / discord
Inspiration for the thumbnail: / @shaynegravy
00:00 - Intro
1:35 - Early Jared & Screw Attack
20:27 - ProJared's channel truly begins
26:33 - Get's married & establishes friend group
31:30 - The divorce brings chaos
35:20 - Accusations that ruined his image
37:17 - The internet Dunking on Jared
45:52 - Jared responds
47:17 - Chaos continues
53:24 - You've been lied to
1:07:05 - The reaction
1:17:16 - Conclusion
Correction #1 Screw Attack never contracted the Nostalgia Critic.
Correction #2 The decision to buy the game store was not an impulsive decision it was an emotional one.
You might have mistaken ProJared for the AVGN.
ScrewAttack contracted the AVGN James Rolfe for two videos a month.
Were you tempted to title this: The RISE and FALL and RISE again of projared
@@Sonicfalcon16 HONESTY
What did happen 4 months ago after his StarTropics vid? he always had 200k+ then 100k than 70k now 40k avg over days to now.
34:58 uh-oh
This is such a huge case of drama that shouldve stayed private. Imagine if your breakup drama was being broadcasted on the internet, becoming popcorn entertainment to random people.
Truer words have never been spoken.
Hearing "the tea is cold" made me so angry.
Granted it was ProJared's own fault for posting the first story and blocking her. Had he not done either, this whole thing wouldn't have blown up as negatively as it did
@@manporo5865 Nah it was actually Heidei that broke the news first on Facebook which held many of projared's family and friends.
@@Hitoshuratdn it is literally mentioned on the video that Jared talked first...
When ProJared released his rebuttal video he said something that made me feel really bad. He said that nobody came to him to listen his version and he looked empty and depressed, I saved that video since it has been unlisted since quite a while now
Yeah. The only person who really defended him was PBG, who then got bullied into apologizing for defending him
That is the big takeaway, don't judge the outcome before all cards are on the table. And for the love of Ramuh, death threats only make people look worse so do not do that.
PBG is the definition of a true friend. I think he stopped because they mustve had some kind of deal so he didnt get dragged down as well.@@Jaydakin
You want to know something funny? The people that gathered all the hard evidence in his favor, the people who proved through countless hours of pixel measurements and pishing that he was in fact innocent of the accusations… yeah, that was the so called Internet Hate Machine Kiwifarms, who started out being very much against him by the way.
It took me until this happened to learn this lesson
The most insufferable thing about looking back at all this drama is just how many people were only interested in how "ugly" they thought Projared and Holly were. It's unbearable.
Ethan making fun of how anyone looks is peak irony.
He makes fun of himself all the time
@@bummerfriend As a shield. His self-insults are tame compared to the vitriol he launches at others.
who is ethan?
@@bloosheee h3h3productions
@@bummerfriend That in no way makes it okay or changes ops point on the irony... Ethan is pure SCUM!
Peanut Butter Gamer had the best take from day 1, no throwing Jared under the bus, just him saying "This ain't it chief" to Jared's ex.
He sure did and he was also proven right in the end when ProJared released his response video.
She totally convinced herself that Jared was 100% the cheater... (open relationship blah blah)based on angry conservative chuds that showed up to defend her just because they wanted to take down Jared. Only then did she realize that she was in the wrong.
Never listen to the right. Even if they tell you that the sky is blue, you verify. Now she knows.
It was the most mature and unbiased take of them all. Frankly, all of this was no one's business but the effected people.
@@LiquidDIO I recall people were dumping on him for saying that at the time.
@@Clouded-Logic Yup. I remember too. Twitter is such a toxic helldump of people who can't think logically.
Ethan Kline talking about Jared's looks, while looking like the Mucinex Booger will never not be funny.
The users that made up all the lies about ProJared on Twitter were also wrapped up in the UK TH-cam community as I recognised the usernames. They’d send incendiary replies and tweets to myself and friends and when this all blew up it felt like they finally got the attention they wanted but very glad it blew up in their faces.
Part of what made his response video so legendary to me to this day is how usually those type of videos start with a somber mood, and a while to get to the topic with awkward sentences and filler.
Jared's response video literally started with "Hey, what's up? *Anyway;"* it always felt like such a power move that he just starts it making his point almost immediately rather than try to paint himself as a sympathetic victim.
Really made the phrase "I have the receipts" into one of the most badass claims in recent history.
I kinda admire Jared. He had his scandal, owned his mistakes, proved the receipts.. and he hasn't given up. I respect that.
True. I do hope he has found peace with everything. The stigma is still around and he probably still gets harrased.
But at least the fans that still support him hopefully give him strength to keep doing what he is doing 😊
I don’t feel too bad for him. He reveled when his former friend got internet heat. He subsequently has endorsed other forms of harassment against other people. Didn’t learn a damn thing from the whole ordeal
what do you mean had his scandal, the scandal was literally fake
@@jacklee8467 it's why I'm convinced that his proof was fake somehow, the real giveaway was when he started bemoaning "cancel culture" and was going full reactionary during said debunking.
Jared hasn't uploaded since April 2023 and people are still accusing him from that video's comments.
I saw a picture recently that PBG posted of him with Jared. Peebs just seemed concerned for a friend and wasn't sure wtf was happening. Glad to see they're on good terms.
so much shit was happening all at once when first started, i dont know what happened but i remember people got really pissed at PBG during it for some reason
@@TheAfker PBG was refusing to join the mob and go after Jared. A tweet went viral after the accusations were someone claimed something about Jared being a child predator or sex pest, and PBG replied “that ain’t it chief”. And PBG never openly cut ties with him.
Peebs is a really good friend
@Z-bone Bill Yeah everyone who had videos with Jared pulled them all except PBG and I think that most if not all still haven't put them back up.
@tylermilne1623 Correction: PBG did indeed pull his videos with ProJared on both his channels, but it was later revealed that he did so at Jared's request so Austin wouldn't get dragged into things any more than he was. After Jared's response video went live, PBG quietly re-listed them.
Heidi:"i want to sleep with someone else"
Jared:"ok, so will i"
Heidi:"wait no...."
A classic tale.
If it's any consolation... As of November 2022, Heidi is broke, single and running a failing craft business. Karma bites back.
Notably, Jared and Holly broke up that same month.
Good, she seem like an aweful person
awesome 😎
That makes me happy that red headed psycho B!+(# got what she deserved for destroying Jared
Good. Glad to hear it
The funniest thing in this video is seeing that Rabbid Luigi called Jared a gremlin when he himself is not particularly good-looking either. Really shows how quickly people will put down another just to raise themselves up a peg
Damn I used to watch rabbidluigi since he was in 240p. Didn’t know he resorted to petty insults
who the hell is that I seen the name and got confused as hell lol
@@YEETUSDAFEETUS same lol who tf has a name called rabbid luigi? Not surprising the person behind it resort to insulting other people's looks lmao
Yeah, kinda sounds like he was projecting much.
British person commenting on someone else's look is hilarious. Even funnier when you look at the ham planet he married. What a freak.
I remember Lindsay Ellis said in a tweet or video or something once how people on the internet aren’t satisfied with interpersonal conflict being JUST about a shitty thing. Everyone wants to make a definitive moral judgement. Personally I think there was probably some shitty stuff that Jared did,but I also don’t think he’s a pedophile. People have messy relationships sometimes. Sometimes good people do huge damage to each other, and nobody comes out of that acting “rational “. God, people’s online are gonna lose it when they hear about fleetwood mac…
of course lindsay probably said that when it happened to her, all the while revelling in similar cancellation of her peers before that
Yeah unfortunately to prove his innocence he had to basically say I'm kinda a piece of shit but I'm not a pedophile
I want us all to take a moment to bask in the irony of Lindsay Ellis saying this, considering she had absolutely no issues supporting cancel culture in the past when it suited her political opinions.
@@darthgamer9861 not saying your lying, but do you have a source? i'm assuming it's one of those "cancel culture doesn't exist, until something i like gets cancelled* type stance
Interesting take. That exact mindset has shifted over to the AI argument funny enough.
I only became aware of the controversy when seeing Jared’s video “you’ve been lied to”. Because I would actively check for new uploads from him. I really enjoyed his content. After hearing his side. I looked at as much of the rest as I could. And I gotta say, his sex life is none of my concern. His marriage isn’t either (provided we wasn’t actually abusive). It sounds like a horrible break up and I’m glad he got through it.
The fact that he got fired before the shit show known as rooster teeth stepped in automatically makes him the luckiest man alive
I think its kinda funny hearing Craig justifying his firing of Jared to make it seem like a "good" move when after that he made the worst move possible by selling Screwattack lol.
I see this as a Rise, Fall, and Rise again of Jared rather than a fall.
He's enjoying what he's doing, he's happier than he was, and his content is still good.
I will never understand how folks will make themselves out as perfect and better than Jared enough to attack him.
well put
he didn't fall, he rose
is he as popular as before? no, he isn't
but he got away from drama, and it seems to have a much healthier life
fame isn't everything, good on him
i usually ask those who attack if they like the taste of windex since they be licking windows all day.
@Mellissa Boomer of the Night still freaking out about age gaps? i've a long term relationship with a woman old enough to be my aunt, and ooh, boy, she loves it from behind! FOH with that bullshit. as long as the ADULTS [18+] agree to ADULT[18+] things, let them ADULT [Do-- You guessed it-- 18+Things]!
@Mellissa Boomer of the Night Don't most people like being adored?
The ProJared saga was a wild ride. Bro literally sat out the entire drama train until it stopped moving, then he jumped out of nowhere and derailed the train with ease. His refrain showed a real maturity that most people wouldn't've had under the same circumstances.
My poor sister was a huge fan of Dice, Camera, Action - another DND podcast that starred Jared and Holly. It was DMed by Chris Perkins and sponsored by Wizards of the Coast. The show was cancelled because of the drama at the halfway point before any of the characters could be resolved.
Yeah that’s one of things that hurts the most. A beloved web series was canceled due to the false allegations and there’s nothing any of us can say and/or do to bring it back. 😭💔
I miss the waffle crew so much
Same I really loved DCA I miss it so much
just from jareds point of view, imagine you get bullied and harassed and slandered so heavily that you lose a spot on the FUCKIN D&D LIVEPLAY. i just wanna give this guy a hug, and i definitely bring him up when people say cancel culture doesn't exist or that "collateral damamge here is fine because the collateral is usually white dudes so who gives a shit?"
The Waffle Crew was even supposed to be in Baldur's Gate 3. I remember them mentioning having done some voice acting for the game. But when the drama happened, and the show got cancelled, they got removed from the game.
At least, through Holly, we know that they're still playing together, just off camera.
Honestly I've never really understood all the harassment about his appearance. He certainly isnt the most attractive person to have ever lived. But he looks like a perfectly normal person.
because people are hypocrites, they use image as an excuse to harass somebody but when it so happens to come out that he is not as bad as the stories wanted to paint him to be, when people only wanted to cancel him, then people start saying he is good looking, or average at best. Its so staby and I really can't respect it. I was one of the few youtubers that made a video defending the dude, got 70% dislikes 30% likes and people disagree with my reasons just to little later on come out to be true all along. Amd then all of a sudden everybody talking bad about his character or his image turn 180, its so weak how people just change minds depending on where the hype train is going, like have little to no personality of their own to think critically at all. Some people should live with themselves longer and face hardships, perhaps that will make them good capable friends one day.
The ugliness of human nature seems to be on full display when people are anonymous. So many studies have been done about it. Internet is essentially Pandora's box for all the positivity and negativity that's possible in the world.
@@krustykrabpizza4328With that first sentence I immediately thought of Michael Jackson
@@entertainer_ev2747omg that's ignorant don't be so ignorant why are you so ignorant stop being ignorant
Never seen such an interesting flip, from "ugh, yet another big TH-camr cheating" to "holy shit this guy took his time to get ALL the evidence lined up instead of fall prey to internet drama"
Really inspiring tbh, mad respect gained for Jared. I do wish most people who piled onto him had come out and properly apologized, but internet drama is what it is, a race for attention then go silent when the truth comes out. Also felt really bad that *no one* reached out to him, damn.
I think peanut butter gaming did reach out
No else catch the irony of the Screwattack guy being like.
"You can't speak ill of the company. Honestly, it makes you a jerk, and then you get fired......so anyway, then Roosterteeth bought us, what a bunch of assholes. They didnt let us do anything"
Agreed. Used to be heavy into ScrewAttack when I first started settling into TH-cam content but Craig has always come off like a conman/shyster type, just the way he talks and carries himself I suppose. That kind of double standard comment isn’t surprising.
Here's the problem with Heidi's response. She lied at the beginning. She came out of the gate with malice and the intent of making Jared look as bad as possible with "TODAY I LEARNED MY EX-HUSBAND WAS FUCKING HOLLY BEHIND MY BACK" and then, after proof was shown of this not being true "Well, I did know about this, but I tried to make it work." You see, if she lied about that and she admited that, why should we believe anything she says? Jared and Holly put up proof of their side of the story, Heidi just has the value of her own word, and she already run it throw the mud with that first malicious lie.
Exactly.
Yep.
Basically every criticism against him had the same source "just trust me bro"
Really a disgusting situation and shame on all the people who lied to try and get their thirty seconds in the spotlight and also shame on everyone who took all those lies at face value without a shred of evidence.
3:30 my girlfriend heard this and went “He DOESN’T want his head crushed by Chun-Li?! Coward!” 😂
"I want a poly marriage."
**Jared listens**
"WOW, I'M UPSET YOU'RE SEEING SOMEONE AND I DON'T LIKE IT, STOP IT NOW!"
No heros in this story, but there's a clear super villian.
Edit: Jared said a lot of, "hey, I did this, I did that," with a decent amount of evidence.
Heidi said a lot of, "he did this, he did that," with very, very little evidence.
This drama taught me a lot of lessons about public fallouts.
Case in point: very different situation, but when all the shit regarding the DOOM Eternal OST went down and Marty Stratton released his statement, while the rest of thr Internet turned on Mick Gordon, I genuinely felt like there was a lot not being said. I kept faith in that and was vindicated when Mick released his statement 2 years later.
Without this ProJared situation first, I probably would have turned on Mick like everyone one else did.
The ProJared situation hammered home how important taking the "wait and see what all sides show and tell" first is to true critial thinking
Jared gave an honest explanation, addressing everything that happened, and gave a genuine apology. He defended himself coherently and with facts, without insulting those involved, and for that I give him kudos.
Ethan and Hila laughing over how another person looks is wild.
People hated on Jared because he fucked multiple baddies and were jealous
@@LC-iw3ll tf does that even mean? lol.
@@EQOAnostalgiathey’re not ugly but they aren’t Victoria secret models either. Ethan is an obese middle age man with a receding hairline and hila is just a normal looking girl
I had a friend who was a big fan of ProJared, I was unfamiliar with him myself. When all this went down I felt a little bad because I thought my friend might feel betrayed, but we lost contact for unrelated reasons. I hope he held out and remains a fan.
Almost a year removed from this vid and even then its been kinda eventful for all four to say the least...
Jared - Split with Holly in November 2022, Now in the 90s, Lets Play doing okay, main channel stuck at 888k for ages before dropping, fashion stuff.
Heidi - Still cosplaying, opened a shop somewhere, Cottagecore, Aries the Cat passed away, not much heard from her otherwise.
Holly - Started a business, Twitter meltdowns, tried to make allegations against Ross, insinuated dirt on Game Grumps. Maybe got it the worst in the long term, borderline lolcow if you're into that phrasing.
Ross - Found Giwi, killing it on Twitch, dipped from the Grumps and doing his own thing, over a million subs and struck GOLD with Gartic Phone.
I’m glad for Ross ❤
Oh no, not Aries. In spite of my grievances towards Heidi, I’m heartbroken to hear about Aries passing away. Very pretty kitty.
Ethen Klein mocking anyones looks is embarrassing. His wife giggling along. those 2 are amongst the few people who look weirder than Jared.
Ethan making fun of anyone's appeqrences is peak irony
"Ugly man with big nose did horrible thing, lets make fun of ugly man with big nose hahaha. what do you mean he didn't actually do anything wrong"
Ironically, the real victim is the whole controversy. Was rubber ross.
He ended up doing better than the other three in the long run
I met Jared at Zulu's in Bothell, WA.
I recognized him even with his mask on and he was super cool. let me get a pic with him then we talked about content (I'm a very small streamer/sometimes youtube uploader). Got to tell him how much I loved his OG Nuzlocke with Nuptup (Oddish).
Anyway, what happened to him was disgusting. He didnt do anything wrong. His kinks are his own but nothing he did with/showed that girl was outside of consent at all.
When your partner asks for an "open relationship," youre already in one.
The only correct response is "goodbye"
I lived this drama when it was out. Huge bits of the story were missed out in this video - and I wish I still had the 'receipts' from the time - were Heidi found Jared's old mobile phone and the nudes were primarily leaked from that device, as there were texts where she was blackmailing/threatening him with it.
And that she assumably stumbled upon both Charlie's during this period. It's unsure how involved she was with the minor-soliciting scandal, but she was a part of it as she mentioned it first. When JTK says Heidi was quiet during an early period of the scandal...yes and no. She was quiet on her own Twitter, but she was active everywhere else spreading the narrative alongside the two Charlies AND on facebook (where she was the first to drop a post about the whole ordeal).
And lastly, though there wasn't concrete evidence it was Heidi who wanted an open relationship just for herself originally. She forced Jared to do it later as he had issues with the arrangement, but he eventually benefitted from it emotionally connecting with someone as his wife was - and let's not kid ourselves - abusing him emotionally. That is known, what isn't clear is if she had a side boyfriend the entire time, but it was suspected a male consplayer she was seemingly at every event with from a certain point (prior to them opening their marriage for her) up until the scandal was the guy, as fans had come forward noticing them together and Jared's marriage was a hot topic in inner circles due to Heidi flaunting herself with another guy at conventions.
Yeah, Heidi was a selfish abusive monster, and she only proved the point with her tirade for weeks after his clapback video. Girl wouldn't let it go, but it was noted she stopped saying specific things, so she probably got a stern letter from his lawyer to pack it in otherwise he'd seek legal action, which is something he alluded to but didn't want to take legal action and just call it quits.
A Screwattack documentary would be great. Early online gaming community was awesome to be around to see.
I like how people use to love Hollie, say stuff like “she’s a queen” and saying she’s pretty and then instantly turning to “she’s Gollum” after she did something people didn’t like lol
Probably all self proclaimed feminists as well.
I’m glad he came back, though I’m disappointed that _Now In The 90s_ couldn’t continue. We didn’t even get most of the GOATed year in gaming that was 1994.
Seriously dude, if you had just told me that a picture of Jared in a Sailor Moon outfit existed, I would have taken your word for it. No proof was needed.
Imagine how much better society would be without social media
Can you rethink this comment that you made and really rationalize how life would actually be better without social media
@@juicebox7372I don't think his wrong tbh
@@juicebox7372Did you honestly forget that live existed before the 21st century?
Honestly, life would be just as shitty. Social media didn't CREATE nasty behavior in people. It only exposed it.
@@KuroNoTenno Nah it definitely amped it up. People are way more nasty when they're behind a screen
The part where people are just insulting his and holly's visual appearance is really rough. That's just mean and unimportant to any reason to dislike somebody. I don't like it.
This should be called the Rise and Fall and Rise of ProJared.
Yes
Should be called, "rise, fall, and rise again." Jared did what many on the internet couldn't and he came back better than ever IMO.
no he didnt rise. he's still a creep for exchanging nudes with fans. wtf
we'll make that video when he passes 1 million again,
Pro Jared has a new TH-cam "Now in the 90s." It comes out every Friday and they talk about video games that came out that week 30 years ago. I like it quite a bit.
yeah, it's pretty good. I know it's exploiting nostalgia, but that's why I like it. I love the shots of the old magazines I used to read as a kid.
@@chexmixkitty Yeah, I agree. A little nostalgia exploitation isn't such a big deal, if the content is actually decent.
Projared's Two Worlds reviews and many of his others are so good I'll go back and watch them fairly regularly. I'd recommend them to anyone into game reviews
It just goes to show that people don't care about the issues. They just want someone to clown on that won't get them judged for it. As soon as someone "deserves it," the mask of being a good person comes off.
All the comments about Jared "downgrading" are especially disgusting, treating both women like all that matters is their looks.
Yo that woman really tried to destroy his life all because he was honest with her about how he felt. What a crazy person.
The ultimate shit-test. To the death.
That's very common
You can't be emotionally open with women no matter what they say.
It will turn them off and they will stab you in the back with it when they inevitably leave you over it
The one thing jared did wrong was ask for nudes from his fans with no real way to prove their age, again this was straight up stupid. We have internet porn people, asking for nude pics is barbaric in these times 😂. He let the fame of geekdom crush him in this aspect. Now heidi was obviously lying cause she didn't care when she had a side dude but the moment he left her she wanted the rules to favor only her, ummm no honey you're in an open marriage you're either cool with that or you can't be in an open marriage, you can't bang whoever you want to and then your partner has to ask permission, gtfoh 😂. The amount of posts she did is honestly from guilt no sane person post that many times in a row if innocent, not to mention the parts she cut out or deleted cause again she was obviously not being honest, purposely not telling people she was in open marriage just to make herself look innocent and him look like a cheater again that was wrong and cowardice. What's even crazier is she's the one who wanted the open marriage in the first place so that's irony at it's greatest 😂. Humble always stay humble and never lie to the people who helped you rise.
#stayhumblenotstupid
- I remember having strong emotions about this, not because of any feelings towards the actors, but because I liked Ross so much. From everything I know, he seems like a really nice guy, and the fact that Jared "hurt" him in my mind definitely skewed my opinion of the situation.
- - - I wouldn't be surprised others had a similar reaction at the time of the scandal.
All the comments trying to explain and justifying why they jumped on the hate train immediately and non of them read like something an adult should do.
"I was hurt because i took an accusation at face value, but instead of rethinking at least once or waiting for any proof but "trust be bro", i just took the next few weeks and acted out my hurt feelings and joined the hate mob."
In other words: You would have joined a good ol' taring and feathing if the opportunity would have arrived.
No, because I keep my opinions to myself until I'm certain about them. I don't enjoy open accusations about people I don't know. I trust you're familiar with that kind of thing?
@@gandalf_thegrey Of course people like you still have to paint this stuff black and white, despite the whole drama being a clear example why you SHOULDNT.
Moral of the story: Open Relationships and Online Nudes are doodoo
32:15 this was so well timed that i refuse to belive this wasnt intentional.
AMAZING 10/10
I don’t think the internet realizes how big this moment is in terms of how online drama is handled and perceived. There is a reason I think that if someone has multiple people, usually nobodies, make accusations, the accusations are going to be held in uncertainty. It’s because of shit like this.
“Severe lack of uploads”
So he’s got more in common with JonTron than I initially thought
A cute pro cosplay girl shouts "CHEATER!" at an internet nerd who talks about video games. We all knew how this was going to play out, especially Heidi. She isn't stupid. The fact she chose to drag his name through the mud til it bled was a red flag to me from the very beginning. Jared said "We're separating, sorry." Heidi said, "CHEATER, GASLIGHTER, AND POSSIBLE GROOMER!" Yeah, I immediately took a back seat on this before weighing in my opinion. I've seen this many times outside of the celebrity sphere. The side that is first to judge is usually the side that has the most to hide.
Never trust a girl whose job is to make guys white knight and simp over her.
aka "projecting"
When ProJared released his review of Final Fantasy VIII, he put up a community post of a kitchen knife taped to the end of a gun with the caption 'whatever' (the catchphrase of the game's protagonist). TH-cam cropped the image so you could only see the gun. This was right after all the drama had happened when Jared still had his divorce stubble and permanently miserable look, so everyone who saw the post was a bit freaked out before they saw the full image and realised what it really was.
It was interesting being a fan of Holly, Ross and Jared before all of this happening. As much as I liked seeing the relationship of Holly and Ross in their occasional blogs together, from an outsider looking in, you could see that that it was a case of opposites attracted. The energy between Jared and Holly was very interesting though. They were both passionate about a lot of the same things. As close to a “soul mate”as you could find (once again from an outside observer perspective). It almost seemed like a shame that they were both married then haha. When it became really weird was during their time in DCA. Seeing the community ship their DnD characters romantically and seeing artwork of their characters being “intimate” was a bit odd, but they both enjoyed the art regardless. It wasn’t that surprising when the drama dropped. It was disappointing. The amount of people who were like “you dumped her for HER?!” Posts was almost comedic. Because just like Holly and Ross, the relationship between Jared and Heidi was oddly similar - a mismatch of personality. I cannot deny it was amusing seeing all the dunking on Jared, but whenever people would comment on how he would “trade his beautiful wife for a gremlin”, it was obvious how little people knew about the whole situation. I mean once again, I was an outsider too, but this made a LOT of sense. It’s a shame how everyone handled it, and I feel bad for Holly most of all. Outside of all this drama that brought out her personal life, she was thrown to the wolves. You never get to really know any of these people, but her content before all this was the nicest wholesome community.
It really sucks when people make fun of e-celebs’ appearances, even if those people actually do suck. Take Leafy for example: when iDubbbz made fun of him for having a weak chin, there were several kids I knew in real life who got bullied for having weak chins, too. So even though Leafy might’ve deserved the ridicule, there were plenty of innocent people who got it, as well. In my opinion, if you make fun of one persons’ appearance, you make fun of everybody’s.
And he is the only guy who recovered from the controversy. I watch him to this day unlike all the other people on this channel
Hearing Ethan and Hila dunking on Jared, drawing parallels here lol
I think Jared made serious mistakes, but the accusations of him being a pedophile/groomer were grossly exaggerated and came to define the episode in internet drama history.
The funniest part of jon tron is that he’s not even wrong at all About it that
I do believe that pro jared has one of the best yt apologies. Was well formatted and informative
It’s still so sickening to me how H3H3 and so many others saw the opportunity to cover a story and didn’t even hesitate on the bullying. Like, they’re so desperate to hurt someone…
The idea that Ethan has the balls to talk shit about someone's appearance when he looks like a live-action Oscar the Grouch
Or the fact they barely fact checked shit and even AFTER everything was cleared for Jared, Ethan in his divine self-righteous idiocy still kept doubling down hating on Jared.
Shit, not like a month ago Jared randomly was brought up on the h3 podcast and again realise it's fucking 2023 now so YEARS later, and Ethan still has the same shithead views about Jared he always has and said as much. I think Ethan in fact resents highly the fact that he tried joining in canceling someone and then was expected to tell the truth about everything and essentially apologize for going way too hard on the guy. He of course didn't have any interest in doing any of that because Ethan is a self-righteous narcissist.
The coward's eternal response to any criticism is "yeah, but SinJared". It's all he can hyperfocus on so he doesn't have to actually stay on point. The point of course being that Ethan is an idiot.
I personally don’t think everyone who dogpiled on Jared was had bad intentions. Sometimes people just misplace their trust in the wrong side
I have to say, this is one of the best-executed videos I've seen on this topic. Kudos.
I am glad to see the support for Jared in the comment section here. Like many, when the initial statement came out, I judged him harshly and stopped paying attention to him. But then his video rebuttal released, telling his side of the story, and it all made more sense and cleared his name for me. I do feel ashamed for judging him without really hearing his side of the story. I tend to stay out of internet drama, but being a fan of retro games and participating in the Screw Attack user submission section back in the day, I did pop in frequently to watch his reviews. His content is high quality, he's got a lot of energy and he generally seems like a good dude. It's cool that he's been able to bounce back a bit and I wish the best for him. I can't imagine drama like this is ANY fun to go through.
Me too, like Jared said in his rebuttal video, he forgives those who apologized and regretted for participating in the hate bandwagon, including you. I also forgive you for your participation in the hate bandwagon as I myself had jumped the gun on things I shouldn’t have, regretted and owned it. I’m a fan of Jared’s for 9 years myself and I stood by him throughout that fiasco due to lack of evidence on the false accusers and his his ex wife’s side. He has a down to earth personality and his content is top notch.
Wow, to accuse him of maliciously aiming hate her way without even watching the video is egregious! Absolutely DEPLORABLE conduct on her part.
Even if Projared is clean, he is still a freaky ass mf, sharing those photos, to random people on the internet
Some lessons you have to learn the hard way……
Okay I’m four months late to this video, but I had a way higher stake in this controversy than most people. I was/am a mod of the official asagao academy fan tumblr, and a member of the official Skype chat. It’s not really discussed in this video, but asagao academy was a dating simulator where you could date the members of normal boots, Jared included, which was made by peanutbuttergamer’s wife. Because of this, I got to talk to essentially all of them -jontron, plus the hidden block people.
I knew a lot of this stuff before it became ‘public’. I was 15 at the time, and I definitely had access to sinjared, but it was made very clear that it was 18+, so I kept away. There’s a lot of stuff in hindsight that was a bit dodgy that never made it to the mainstream, such as the ASMR videos Jared and a few others made where he’d read smut we’d written, etc. There were rumors that a friend of a friend had sex with him at magfest one year, so when all the rumours came out I felt really conflicted. It didn’t help that I’d never heard of the accusers, despite the fact that the fandom was extremely close.
I don’t know why I wrote this if I’m being honest. I made a small statement at the time but I never shared my personal experiences (in hindsight I’m glad I didn’t.) I still keep up with a couple of those who were also in the Skype chat, and I know they felt the same conflictedness. It’s so interesting to see an outside perspective when I felt so close to it, so I’m glad this video was made!
This and the Channel Awesome stuff show how jumping to hate so fast can prove pretty humbling.
"I didnt watch the video, his performance voice and face trigger me" may be one of the worst responses to anything ive ever seen
Honestly, I'm so surprised anyone gave a fu ck that Jared cheated. Like really, who tf cares? Some people are so lifeless they'll latch on to anything
The comeback with “I have the receipts” genuinely goes hard. Props to Jared for taking his time and getting everything before responding, especially when he did it concisely and factually, rather than making an emotional response.
Okay, regardless of the circumstances of Jared's affair with Holly, calling the gal ugly is just harsh. Holly is more unconventionally attractive at worst. Less like going from Aragorn to Smeagol, and more going from Aragorn to Samwise.
I watch him daily and he really is happy where he is now, plays what he wants, participates in tournaments, cleans his video games cartridges, talks about what he likes, food, games, movies, and plays Final Fantasy. The guy is just living his life now.
Also, someone wanted to see him in the trash can, destroyed with nothing left behind and that person trashed him daily on Instagram and Twitter, not only mocking him for "gaining" money from him after the fact but also clowning him for no reason, that person truly despised him after this went bananas and showed no remorse whatsoever. I'll never get why women go into this crusade to destroy someone after a relationship ends, it's so pathetic...
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It’s not just women.
I will always remember the ProJared incident.
I jumped on the hate bandwagon mindlessly, and when more information came to light, I had to step back and reevaluate my reactions.
Jared really did handle that in the best way he could.
It will forever serve as a reminder, not to believe anything without hearing both parties.
As they say, innocent until proven guilty.
Same.
Normally, I'm pretty cautious about this stuff. But the initial accusations against Jared seemed so airtight at the time that I let my guard down. I jumped on the bandwagon - how dare he cheat on his wife with another TH-camr and his own fans?!
Then we got accusations of him soliciting nudes from minors, and an 18 year old who claims she was "barely legal" and therefore acted like it was practically the same as illegal.
I dismissed the 18 year old outright because she was an adult. I couldn't find any evidence backing up the other claims made against him - even though the accusers should have been able to pull up screenshots easily.
It's at that point I hopped off the bandwagon, knowing that Jared was being accused of way more than what he has done.
Then he came out with the video and I realized I was wrong from the very start.
It made me realize that, even though I'm generally good at avoiding bandwagons, I'm still not nearly as disciplined as I should be.
you and everyone else who jumped at the chance to hate him should suffer, you cant just go, oh its okay i wont do it again ill revaluate my actions i swear!, it could have easily ended with him committing suicide like how it went with that one game dev that was falsely accused.
@@mpo48 Telling someone they should suffer for giving into outrage is stupid.
@@saintyboi9258 no it's not it's justice.
@@mpo48 that's not correct. You are looking for retribution which is completely on the opposite spectrum from justice.
Justice for the act of jumping on the public hate bandwagon would be a public apology because said public apology offers the offended party vindication.
Saying someone needs to suffer is just an emotional response with no grounding in a rational outcome.
Ethan taking stabs at ProJareds appearance on a podcast is really petty and childish of him.
I used to respect him, but he turned into a piece of shit.
He only made fun of Jared because it was the hot thing to do. And when more news came out proving Heidi lied, he never apologized.
He got his in the end though.
His fanbase even backlashed at Ethan about it too in the comment section of his videos and on his subreddit. He didnt give ONE fuck and just avoided responding to any of it.
Dude is a massive coward.
This was a cool video. I found his videos late last year and never knew any of the drama he went through and so unfairly. I loved all of his final fantasy and 90s jrpg reviews and he seemed like a good guy just from those videos, so I was shocked to see him on this channel. But it sounds like he was mostly not at fault and got the ire of a hatemob very unfairly. I'm glad he's managed to keep doing what he loves to do creating fun content. "The rise, fall, and rise again" of ProJared.
More like Rise, Fall and Steady Goings of ProJared.
888k subs 4 lyfe
@@coryfusting9294Do you know why his channel has lost 7k in the past couple months?
He’s at 881k now. I go back to rewatch his old videos pretty frequently and haven’t seen much reason for it
1:08:08 that hurts me. Guy went through so much shit and none of the pieces of trash that insulted his looks and automatically branded him guilty never even apologized. People shouldn't have even weighed in on it as they didn't even know the guy. I remember him collab with Joe on the Alien Colony Marine video. Just didn't strike me as a scumbag and I'm glad I reserved my opinions for when we heard his side.
How is Heidi going to ask for an open relationship and then get mad when her husband finds someone else? Makes no sense. I understand they had "rules" and whatever, but that's what happens.
open relationship is basically just, i don't want to get a divorce cause your still giving me money, its always the woman who gets angry when open relationships never work.
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It's sad that "guilty until proven innocent" is still so prevalent.
Yeah, I always believed in “innocent until proven guilty”, not the opposite of that. That “guilty until proven innocent” mentality is wrong and toxic and it needs to stop.
The most frustrating thing about ProJared is that he vehemently defended the Completionist despite Jirard completely turning his back on him.
The private server for NSFW is weird, not that Jared is inherently wrong, it's just something I don't really think should be encouraged, simply because there is a potential for a power dynamic between him and fans.
The problem for Jared was that he jumped the gun without actually watching the video and just wanted to support his friend. I guarantee he regrets that more than ever before.
The worst part about this is his ex-wife got off Scott free and is still farming her simps
Yeah, Jared’s ex wife definitely needs to be held accountable for what she did. But sadly, it’s unlikely to happen.
At least the internet is back on Jared's side. Heidi is struggling to survive on her own now which is well deserved.
@@lordkinesis4432 True
when it comes to literally ANYTHING: once it becomes a meme, it becomes truth in people's heads and it becomes exceedingly difficult to convince people it's untrue even with proof. the damage is done.
DSP used this content to beg for money
I really hope joon does a video on dsp
It bothers me that people attacked his appearance and dogpiled him, but it's the Internet, so of course they did. He looks like a normal dude to me. He can't control how he looks genetics wise. People can be so shallow ffs. People put people on a pedestal that got the genetics jackpot according to Societies shallow made up ideals and trash people that don't tick all the boxes. As, let's be honest, MOST of us don't. This whole situation sounds like it should've been kept private. It's dangerous to throw a COMPLICATED situation like this to the Court of Public Opinion as you're not going to get a fair trial.
I personally don’t think everyone who dogpiled on Jared was had bad intentions. Sometimes people just misplace their trust in the wrong side
I was actually a fan of Jared when this happened. I enjoyed his D&D content and liked watching dice camera action. I took the “I’m just gonna sit back and see what happens.” Route. When he came out with the video (now deleted) proving it was all a lie and the person withdrew her allegations I felt good for him.
But I never went back to watched him. I tried, but he didn’t seem the same nor did his content seem the same. It was honestly sad to me that none of the big TH-camrs apologized for dragging his name in the mud, and even some like H3H3 doubled down saying “Well he might have proved those allegations were false, but I still think he’s a creep and you can’t change my mind.”
Was disgusting how people treated him, and he’s a prime example of why I don’t trust people who make such allegations just because they claim to be a victim. I need proof or else I give it no validity.
Don't see how exactly he has fallen. He is alive and well
It was a fall before his famous "I have the receipts" video. So now it's more like rise and fall and rebirth
I take internet drama with a grain of salt. I never think it's truly as bas as it's made out to be and it usually isn't. people blow it to much higher proportions. In all it was a private thing that was supposed to stay private so it doesn't concern me nor does it bug me. I still enjoy ProJared's content regardless and let his private stuff stay private.
I was quite impressed with how Projared handled all of it. He took it like a champ head on and didn't resort to lowering himself to stooping to lower levels of drama like so many others do. I commend ProJared on staying collected, poised and rational amidst it all. Reminds me a bit of how Jirard took the drama of 'that guy' leaving his completionist channel.
Heidi wanted an open relationship to get around. But once Jared got around too she wanted to change the game. Girl wanted Jared to stay in her back pocket. Didn't work out too well for her in the end.
As a general rule of thumb, the first person who suggests an “open relationship” had been unhappy for a while, and u might as well just end it.
Repzion talking about anyone’s appearance is beyond ironic
As is H3H3
Literally calling a normal looking girl to gollum while looking like that. Gives hard "nice guy" vibes.
38:50 -Last I checked, Jontron never retracted his views and yet he is thriving, they tried to cancel him and failed major time.
People support racists not pdfiles
This was very well done. I thank you so much for being even-handed in all this.
I remember when this all happened, and... it hurt me. Probably more than it should have, but still. I was devastated at the accusations Heidi was throwing out, and more so by the predatory claims. My at-the-time friend didn't help much by claiming things like how she "knew all along, just look at him." I remember writing a comment saying how disappointed I was. I went back and looked for that comment, wanting to delete it not long after I posted it, but I couldn't find it. I think I never did actually post it, as I remembered hearing some of the claims not long after and I realized something.
I couldn't see Jared doing this.
I relate to Jared. Our minds kinda work the same. I watched his content and, to this day, I make comments and have thoughts that show up in the video. Most recent was his Arcade's Revenge video, I popped into his stream while he was editing the final parts of the video and I asked the question about what Spider Man was hanging off of since there was nothing but clear sky above him. He saw my comment, skipped to the end of the video, and showed off how that was his closing joke. This kind of thing happened a lot for me on his videos, so, ya. I kinda had a small feeling of kinship with him. It wasn't much, I know that, but still. I would never do some of the more serious things Jared did, so there had to be hope. I realized then I had heard nothing from his side.
I fought against the accusations. With how much hate he was getting, there was one piece of information, a headline really, that I dreaded hearing that never came. Jared being arrested for preying on children. If that had happened, the internet would have exploded in cheers and my hope would be crushed. BUT. It never happened. Even some of the other serious claims should have led to imprisonment, but it never happened. I told my friend to stop, I shot back at people who sniped at him. I was attacked and called several insane names doing this, but I didn't let my hope die.
When Jared released his video saying his side, I cried. It confirmed what I had believed, and more.
Support for Heidi's spite had trailed off as her claims began to conflict with themselves, and her ire never stopping playing the victim in venomous ways, making people more willing to accept what he had to say. Which is probably why, by the way Joon, he waited so long. Not for Heidi to say something, or, as she claims, to hurt her, but because the attention span of the rubberneckers would have moved on by then. If he had said anything earlier, it wouldn't have been accepted, partially because he wouldn't have had the time to prepare his evidence, and partially because nobody was listening to anyone taking his side any earlier than that. Everyone was too busy making jokes and protecting "the innocent woman from the evil man," as most breakups usually illicit that response from people.
I'm so glad Jared is back and making content. He looks healthier, he seems happy (even has a Magic Tournament coming up where he might do quite well, wish him luck). I thank PBG and Holly and, shockingly, Pewdiepie for not giving up on him. The ones I'm disappointed in now are the Game Grumps. They locked the videos with Jared, and, to the best of my knowledge at the time of writing this, still haven't unlocked them. This sends a message that they are holding some sort of grudge, which, at this point, seems petty, especially when coming from a group that routinely makes jokes that are pro-infidelity. It's just sad.
Hopefully everything stays fine for everyone involved...except those Charlies. I just can't forgive, on a Human level, the amount of malice and greed those two exhibited (i'm not completely convinced they are two people really, but it doesn't matter)... I mean, Jared could have killed himself over accusations like that! Others have over SO MUCH less! I don't think I can ever forgive those people.
I agree with you on your statements on this. The creator of the Night in the Woods video game offed himself when Zoe Quinn lied about her being abused by him when the opposite was true, but the public sided with her. So yeah, I was so scared Jared and Holly would actually off themselves because of this, I’ve heard about some people being falsely accused of serious things like this, actually off themselves. I was also one of the those fans who didn’t believe any of the false allegations against them. I knew Heidi was lying from day 1 as I’ve been around people and been in a relationship with someone like her before and it sucked. When Bernievidz released his video defending Jared before his response video, I cried wept with relief, and when Jared released his response video, I wept with joy and vindication as I was proven right to believe in my instincts and my feelings about this situation. I wanted to defend them as a fan, but after witnessing PBG getting harassed by the Twitter mob for defending Jared, I kept silent but still supported them. I apologized to Jared in one of his Final Fantasy 11 live streams for being silent and he forgave me. I’ve forgiven some of the people who did apologize and genuinely regretted what they did and said. I can’t say the same for those who never apologized and didn’t regret what they’ve done and said, especially Heidi, Chai and Charlie. They lied about very serious allegations and they are the reason why real victims of abuse don’t come forward with their stories and why those who are falsely accused get a bad reputation. And in my eyes, it’s crossing the line and it’s unforgivable. I’m also grateful to Pewdiepie, Smash JT, and some of the smaller TH-camrs who didn’t believe the lies as well as the TH-camrs who actually waited until everything calmed down to talk about it. I’m sorry you were harassed by the ignorant people for defending Jared, I was indirectly called those names by those people too, they say things like “If you support ProJared in any way, shape, and/or form, you’re a cheater/abuse/nonce apologist/defender.” It’s the same gross harassment I still see on social media, the ignorant people who don’t care about the facts and the truth about Jared’s innocence. It really sucks and it’s one of the things that upsets me the most about this situation. As tough as it was, despite all of my pain, anxiety, anger and anguish throughout the whole thing, I also never gave up on Jared and those who stood up for him, and that’s something I’m proud of and I’m proud of those who thought the same way as me.
Update on the two Charlies:
Chai’s Twitter is gone completely and Charlie’s Twitter is currently suspended!!! Justice!!! 😁👍🏽
A bit para social, but I’m glad he was innocent too.
@@cosmicspacething3474 Ya, I know. I don't usually get attached to people I don't know, but with Jared it just kinda slowly happened. We like the same things, we think very similarly critically, he's funny, and sometimes he takes the words right out of my mouth during reviews. I empathize with the guy. But the shear level of hate and malice that went after him. It hurt. I know what being on the bad side of public opinion does to you. I know what it's like to have people openly harass you and sabotage you behind your back with impunity. And, most of all, I know that most people can't handle that kind of social hate.
I was scared for the guy. Like I said, people have killed themselves over much less. And if that had happened, because I relate to him so much and knew the kind of shit he was going through, it would have felt like a piece of me died too.
So, is it parasocial? Ya. But not because he's a celebrity or something. Because he's a person. One I can relate with one some levels.
Ethan Klein calling someone else one of the goofiest looking dudes of all time LOL
I agree his personal life involving his marriage shouldn't be a concern to the public. A real shame it was placed front and center on public social media by both parties involved, thus making it a concern of the public.
Twitter and Reddit especially have no problem clinging to one half of a story and running with it until the 'villain' has their life destroyed or even ends up dead. These emotional children flock to drama to pretend they're taking down some big bad enemy, and even after all the true facts come out, a lot of them will stick to their guns and refuse to accept they were wrong to immediately swarm like sharks at the scent of blood.
I really feel like trash for immediately jumping on the hate train and piling on. I literally did not know he was cleared until this video and went back to sub to his channel.