@@TheRibbonRed you do not even need that, you just need to have good entertainment. Plenty of movies have bad dialog or plots, but are still good media
The way Chris Gore describes this movie sounds like one of the reactions to Cameron's Titanic which is "the worst-written film I ever happily saw twice".
You put me in mind of the line the principal from Porky’s 2 said after confiscating the stag reel from the main characters: “I sat through every frame of this disgusting film…..twice”.
@@HecmarJayam Anyone who thinks testosterone is a toxin has lost there ever loving mind , the man was a legend , now he is a soy infested narcissist who has surrounded himself with people who blow smoke up his ass .
Chris: I was never bored, had a great time, and love the theme. Also Chris: It has every James Cameron movie flaw, the dialogue sucks, the villian sucks, it's like a YA novel at time, it drags, and jumps the shark with a major logic gap in the third act. A great theme doesn't mean a good film, Chris. This sounds like a bad time for 3 hours.
His first assessment was the correct one. The positive points about stuff like "mmuh family" sounds like honeymoon phase; there are better material covering that subject than YA Novel level of writing.
@@inthefade he didn't clarify that he didn't think it's a good movie. He was so taken aback by the family stuff that it's pretty clear he's still in honeymoon phase with it. Maybe once the embargo clears, he gets his overall assessment on it.
He keeps talking about the bad dialogue but how much fun he had. The Original Star Wars and the best Strek Trek movies have some of the worst dialogue, but we love the interaction between characters.
Content is King, and some emotional idiot in the TH-cam comment section has no bearing on that absolute truth. As long as the content is good, people will watch it. Shut up, and enjoy to movie, or stay home and bitch and moan about it in loneliness, since everyone else will flock to see it. Those people you dislike in Hollywood, they do the exact same thing you do at this moment. They irrationally hate on something when they should not.
His name is James, James Cameron The bravest pioneer No budget too steep, no sea too deep Who's that? It's him, James Cameron James, James Cameron explorer of the sea With a dying thirst to be the first Could it be? Yeah that's him! James Cameron
Whats interesting is that Chris says this movie is flawed like every James Cameron movie Avatar, Abyss, Terminator, T2, Titanic, all of these movies were HUGE HITS lol.
@@WayStedYou Titanic became the highest grossing movie of all time for it’s time. The Abyss is the most underrated, The Terminator literally one of the best Sci Fi horror movies of all time.
That was a surprising reaction. I expected Chris to trash it based on the first few minutes. I’m glad it pure well made popcorn escapism. We finally get two well made action movies in the same year no less.
Yeah, honestly made it sound incredible. Nearly all big blockbuster movies are going to have silly plot points or whatever. Avatar especially for whatever reason gets super hardcore criticism. Not sure if I see it elsewhere.
@Kristian Matthews. Maverick WAS well written though. Simple, but well written. Nothing really illogical and no plotholes. Sounds like Avatar 2 is a lot worse then that in the writing department.
@@arachosia Yes. Maverick stole a jet for an unauthorized test trench run. He should have gotten dishonorably discharged, jailed even. How come they couldn't have just destroyed the SAM missile sites at same time as the cruise missiles destroyed the base (wouldn't even be a movie then lol as everything is about training for the mission)? How come for such an important mission they didn't have way more support fighter jets for backup, instead having only Hangman who is able to come in last second for epic save (because it's a movie and movies need dramatic moments). Oh and yeah the entire movie is literally based around the Death Star trench run from Star Wars, like even aiming computer assist isn't working and they have to use their own intuition, their own skill, their own "force" to shoot missiles into an exhaust port. But of course It's easy to nit pick to death anything. It's best to turn that part of the brain off if the movie is good enough overall. Otherwise nothing will be enjoyable. Like I said though, I do find it annoying how certain film makers get judged incredibly harsh, way different standard of critique that doesn't apply to most movies. All Cameron movies are simple plots, pretty basic (goes for all blockbusters). However he does execute the plots well, good enough story, good enough characters, properly paced, relatable universal themes, and of course stunning visuals , action, overall production (Titanic behind the scenes is incredible, they basically build a near life sized Titanic to sink over and over for shooting the sinking, or flooded ship hallways with massive amounts of water pouring in, etc...) Some people do enjoy hating movies more than they like movies, which is lame to me.
@@Biggiiful going Mach 10 and bursting into flames and then just being totally fine after that is pretty illogical. And at the end there just happens to be an F-14 sitting around for Maverick to steal. Very convenient. The story was nothing too special, but it was well-executed, just like every Cameron movie. You might end up being right about the writing in Avatar 2, but it’s premature to make any kind of judgment there. Let’s wait and see.
That "Oh No" hit hard! But it sounds like film will set the tone of the franchise where as long as you accept it as schlocky sci-fi movies and not _the pinnacle of cinema,_ you will enjoy Cameron's Avatar.
I disagree. I have a feeling that the movie has a bunch of woke nonsense that Chris was ooooooooo'd into missing because of Cameron's SFX. He completely missed the fact that the entire cast of bad people are white. That is no accident in a Cameron movie.
@@jeremiah6462 James Cameron is a very political guy. However he is truly passionate about what he believes in, and he's not just ticking off a box. He does love the ocean, he does love nature, I don't think he has to apologize for that. I much rather see film makers make the movies they want instead of focus group tested garbage.
@@jeremiah6462 Yes, one of 15 producers. His involvement was pretty mild. It's almost more for marketing purposes. Like how Peter Jackson produced Mortal Engines
Will never understand how big box office movies don't start first with a billion dollar script before throwing a billion dollars of cinematography into it.
@@kinera yah, I agree with that. I guess it takes a passionate director who cares about their legacy more than their wallet. Those sorts of directors are becoming less common, maybe?
@@joebearslim The problem is those great scripts and stories is they fly over the head of a lot of people who just go to movies to be entertained. That's why Cameron has such success he keeps it simple enough that everyone can understand.
@@kinera I wouldn't say that good scripts have to be high brow or even smart. If you look at Aliens, it wasn't complex or deep. But, each character has real motivations, nobody was a cut-out, the script wasn't clunky.
Cameron spent a couple years writing these films and then hired a writing team to help him refine and revise what he had done. I'm sure an incredible amount of thought and work went into the scripts. Everything is completely intentional. He's not trying to make Memento or something. He likes to tell straightforward, relatable stories that are character-oriented. It works great for the kinds of theme-park-ride style movies he makes.
16:24 Actually the Empire is pretty well documented as being anti-non-humanoid with regards to their personnel, and not to mention started out with an army of clones of one guy.
Ok this is the first "negative" take I've seen despite offering a lot of praise overall. Super positive and loving nearly everything about it, except some dialogue and story beats/length. That sounds like a massive W. Sounds to me like a Cameron masterpiece in the standard Cameron blockbuster mold. His movies do transport you to another world, they do have some corny/campy aspects to them, they are melodramatic, but they are still high key pretty great movies. Universally beloved, everyone can connect with them, *heart*, etc... Another youtuber described Cameron as making romantic movies, not in terms of romance (although there often is romance), but in terms of sense of awe and wonder, something you wish you could experience.
@@mrblob5413 Yeah. I understand if there's some corny and campy dialogue, as that's sorta Cameron's style. But outright bad dialogue? Cameron's movies have seemed solidly written to me, I don't expect Tarantino of course, but there's probably some skill in writing a movie that can translate well to every language on Earth as Avatar is a super global movie.
@@cinemapigeon4898 watched it. I would say there are maybe 4-5 bad cringey lines. The rest were acceptable to good. Mostly from the “marine biologist”. Some people were saying “why are they saying bro or cuz” but only Jake’s kids were saying that , and that’s because Jake is of course from Earth and they learned it from him. So it makes sense.
@@mrblob5413 Yeah, also they're speaking Navi but Jake understands it the same as English as he stated in the very beginning, so it could be a rough translation of a bro equivalent.
Avatar checking all my boxes!! 1) no woke, 2) no diversity shit!! 3) 3D 4) action , one liners and a lot of bullets!!! Like the 80s and 90s and good old fashion family values.
Why do certain blockbusters get such a critical scalpel applied to them? It's not applied evenly across movies. Everyone loves Top Gun Maverick, it's a good movie no doubt, well made, well shot, engaging, etc... However it's literally based around a key plot point of Star Wars A New Hope (literally the entire movie is about training for the big moment from New Hope). There's plenty of "logical" issues. How does Tom Cruise just steal a jet to attempt the trench run himself? He gets dishonorably discharged in real life, jailed, lol. The movie makes it into a funny scene when he's being reprimanded, but that's totally not what would happen. But you can nit pick anything to death if you want. How come they couldn't destroy the SAM missile sites before attempting the mission? How come they couldn't have more fighter jets serving as backup a lot closer to them instead of a perfectly timed last second save for maximum dramatic effect (oh cause it's a movie).
@@adora_lovely th-cam.com/video/C49g94fuIh8/w-d-xo.html The video goes over a bit of their history, attempts to make prior movies, and what should be the movie's style if it's made.
Out of countless early "reviews" this is the first one to tilt negative. I'm really excited for next Thursday. Flawed movies are perfectly fine as long as the movie still delivers. Love hearing the strong father angle. You're right, that's seriously missing from Hollywood. Appreciate your feedback.
The problem with this move is going to be getting people through the door. Sink or swim will be word of mouth. Personally I have zero intrest in getting off my ass and going to a theatre for this.
I feel like the first film was as much about the spectacle as the story. 3D was still a novelty and Avatar was this epic experience that had to be seen in IMAX. At least that's how I remember it. Not sure if that works today. Of course I'm old so what do I know. These superhero movies that I grew bored of years ago still do gangbusters at the box office. Maybe it's huge overseas and makes $3M. Wouldn't surprise me.
I honestly don't get how he keeps describing every major plot point as woke but then doubling down on it not being woke. "It's cowboys and Indians and we're rooting for the Indians." "All the villains are white." Like, I don't care if there's a strong father figure in the movie, if the movie is going to lecture me about critical race theory, I'm not giving them my hard earned money.
@@arachosia It's a VERY valid reason. Supporting this movie means supporting woke Hollywood in its attacks on what is normal and decent. Testosterone is NEVER toxic, it is what makes men, and men build and maintain civilization.
I’ll see it after this review. I understand people not wanting to give Disney money but you tell a company what you want to see by spending money on what you want to see. If Avatar 2 is a good family movie that’s makes a lot of money then perhaps we could get more of the same in the future. As consumers we speak with our wallets. Trust me, I cancelled Disney+ and haven’t seen a crap movies of theirs in several years, but I’m willing to show Disney what I’m willing to spend my money on. At least until the next woke disaster.
While Disney owns 21st Century Fox, this is not a Disney movie. It was filming since 2017, and is under the complete control and direction of James Cameron.
I want to tell the studios not to bother with the Avatar IP so i'm not spending money on it. Environmentalist preaching and weirdass blue creeps leave me cold. Heck in the first one I was rooting for the mercenaries.
I agree with what he says. I didn't see it as flawed. But agree that it defies some logic. The same story retold, yes. Rebels against the invaders. Star wars, dances with Wolves etc. But yes it's the family values, character development and amazing visuals. But it is the best big movie I have seen in a very, very long time and agree that it absolutely blows away anything from Marvel, star wars (except the first one). Not even close. It felt like how I felt when I watched the first Star wars. I loved all the hangout scenes and how it developed over the 3 hours. Better than the first. Absolutely fantastic.
Dances with wolves and cowboys and Indians in space is exactly what I want. Avatar was awesome! Its just fun to watch. Its the sense of wonder and adventure mostly. Throwing in some clichés is fine. I miss good movies. Top Gun Maverick was great!
The first Avatar was ANTI-HUMAN DRIVEL, the traitor against his own species got a "happily ever after" and the humans, your own species, got sent back home without the vital mineral they need to solve Earth's energy crisis. You'll get more of the same. Rejoice, you utter sheep. Rejoice in your drivel.
Entertaining though it might be, somehow I don't think the general audience will get the message. They've been burned too much this year. Trust will need to be re-earned.
If it's just "good enough", they'll see it. Normoids are emotional critters sleep-walking on autopilot, always blindly fumbling along for the next hit of dopamine.
I do like that he’s actually pointing out the good quality’s of the movie and not just jumping on the hate bandwagon that this movie seems to be getting. The first movie was generic in terms of story but had great visuals and was fun and this movie looks like it’ll be about the same
That because Chris Gore seems to be the kind of guy to not irrationally hate or love something. He had fun with the movie. He was never bored by a critically flawed art piece. But if you read half the comment section, you'll get the impression that he was specifically paid to say that by Cameron himself. These people are so blinded by their loathing of woke Hollywood, so much so that they would allow one silly comment made by Cameron to stop them from having fun. I get why their mad, they are still stupid for acting this way though.
@@verigumetin4291 i want to like this movie, but I don't want disney to get money from it. It's a dilemma, if this movie is successful then we can anticipate movies that are also good, this and maverick could be the vanguard for a new more fun era of movies, on the other hand, it might give disney the wrong message and continue making garbage. If it fails it could also be the opposite, they double down on the woke, or they realize they need to change ASAP before they go under the sea. Tldr, I have no faith in the future of Hollywood, specifically disney, am also poor af and can't waste money on a movie, gotta pay that electricity bill
@@thatonejoey1847 I would say it would be a better idea to support a good movie REGARDLESS of who made it, rather than wallow down on the idea that a company you don't like would get a pay out of it. As as much as it pains me to say it, this is especially true for Disney. Disney is notorious for killing absolutely fantastic projects like Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Princess and the Frog & more simply because they underperformed in the theaters, which led to them killing their entire 2D animation department as result. The house of mouse doesn't take failures too lightly, so if something as massive as Avatar would not perform, they can tank down with it Cameron's whole production studio, and all the technology advances he made for it. In other words, Avatar not performing as well as Disney/ Fox set it to be means the death of improvement in movie VFX and CGI technology, as well as all the advances in motion capturing tech and underwater filmmaking. And that's only for the technical side of things. As a ripple effect it would kill what's left of Fox's LA movie department, and leave us with no quality time movie entertainment, more so one that isn't fused with woke ideology. So as you correctly noted, Avatar 2 failing would send the wrong message to Disney, and they would strive away from making fun & creative movies like it anymore, and only double down on their already heavy handed woke movies even more. Actually supporting Avatar, being a Disney movie or not, is our only path of escaping the woke, and it may open the door for more none- woke movies to come over.
Yeah, I agree. I’m against woke virtue signaling as much as the next guy, but it seems like a lot of people just jump to the assumption that a film be bad without even giving it a chance
I’d say just go ahead and see it if you want to see it. I think at this point Disney will continue to make bad movies regardless but if avatar 2 does well then at least we might see more James Cameron productions.
Probably the first bad review I had listened to and he had a hard time explaining why he ended up saying more good things than bad after all. He doesn't make sense. No need to subscribe to this.
The Dolby 3d screen in nashville is sold out from opening day to dec 29. That’s as far in advance they are selling tickets. These are visuals that no one has ever seen before. And the theme of family is gonna resonate with people. A strong family unit is pretty anti-woke people. 3 billion. Sucks that Disney will make money, but they’ll continue to lose money elsewhere
Honestly, i think it's a good movie for the masses. In that regard, I'll cut it some slack. It set out to do something and it does it well. Go with your family and kids and enjoy it. I judge a movie based on 3 criteria, one of them being entertainment value. So if the story isn't great but I'm entertained, either because of the action or visuals and I like the characters, I'll cut it some slack. I like that Chris Gore is mostly objective in his assessment. A lot of times people trash a movie based on personal bias. I have a lot of hatred for Disney and Hollywood, but I'll give credit where it's due. And I really do think we need movies we can enjoy with the family or groups of people.
@@geert574 nah... A movie with visuals like this is why people pay premium to go to the theater. Most movies are not worth the theater expirience. But this movie is, just for the visuals. However unless the story and characters manage to grab hold of me, i expect to see it just once.
@@geert574 Nah, Where I live to see it on iMAX is just adults15$/kids10$ and CXC is adults10$/kids7$. And some come with reclinable chairs. If you want the 4DX experience or reclinable chairs, food service, and seats that spray water in your face, Yeah you might pay that much. But if you are going to spend that much on a movie this is the movie to spend it on.
“You are not in Kansas anymore. You are on Pandora, ladies and gentlemen. Respect that fact every second of every day. If there is a Hell, you might wanna go there for some R & R after a tour on Pandora. Out there beyond that fence every living thing that crawls, flies, or squats in the mud wants to kill you and eat your eyes for jujubes. “ Give me a white villain like him any day his performance still amazing till today
I didn't care for the first movie. I'm definitely sitting this one out. I will be finishing up my platinum on Ragnarok and getting ready for Crisis Core Reunion.
Winter Soldier was a long time ago, and was probably one of the last Marvel movies that was even entertaining at all. And even it is a bunch of who-cares silliness
I'm gettin pretty good at judging things from trailers. What he is saying is exactly what I figured would be the case. The trailer takes me right back to 2009 when I saw the original in theatres.
@@ABrickWalledCD Avatar for cinephiles? That's hilarious. You snarkly tell him to watch Marvel but they're both nothing but pretty effects and weak story.
James Cameron and his love for water and sea life is incomparable,,,,, the cove, leviathian, earthling kind of documentary and this movie has one of the best message of saving sea life marine life,,,,, Family entertainment done right,,,, James always is good but i dont know what happened with dark fate,,,, but this one is full on action family entertainment it is pure fun!
@@mirceazaharia2094 Well... except that that "alien" father is a human himself, and was originally suppose to serve in the military force of the humans, for the the humans. So to correct your point. it's a HUMAN father turned into an alien that will be killing fellow humans. Just pointing this out.
For the record, Cameron's comment about Testosterone was a tongue in chick way of talking about is approach to filmmaking. In more detail, he was talking about how he changed from a strict and controlling director to a more open and lean back filmmaker who takes his work more calmly. a lot of people misunderstood this refence, to be honest.
Sooooooo, is the story any good or is it just a case of shit movies being fed to us for a decade (exceot for Top Gun Maverick) then suddenly good visuals makes for a good movie?
@@arachosia Maverick has good action, good visuals and is not woke. That's the best that can be said about it, and what people hoped for, and what they got. So, overall, not bad.
True Lies absolutely does suck! I don't get where the revisionism on that movie has come from but it got absolutely excoriated when it came out and was considered terrible for at least a decade afterwards! And it's not like Last Action Hero where the critics just didn't get it or Starship Troopers which seems to have gone the other way with critics coming out of the woodwork in the 2010s....True Lies is an objectively awful movie!
god, it sounds awful. can we get back to cinema in which people talk and react like human beings with a functioning brain? films with stories that, even if fantastic or far fetched, are internally consistent and make sense?
Blowing everything MCU this year out of the water isn't exactly a high bar, but I am glad to hear it isn't a trashfire. Still not motivated to watch it as I wasn't a huge fan of Avatar as a whole.
I was prepared to sit through it just for the pretty lights to be honest. I was happy to just get lost in the first movie rather than pay attention to its flaws, and I'm so starved for entertainment devoid of woke crap slipped in there that I was pretty much sold on this regardless.
To touch on one of the simplest things Coogler missed on the underwater scenes and shots in bp2, is bubbles. For motion, for airflow, that's something basic that animators learn in school. Oof.
I love it. And I loved Avatar in the theater but the more I watch the more I feel it's a "Dances with Wolves" with the natives wining... That removes originality from Avatar
@@katanalx I wish there could have been a compromise solution between humans and natives. The humans NEEDED that unobtainium to solve the energy crisis on Earth. Anyone who rooted for the dumb hivemind natives rooted for those humans to have miserable, impoverished lives on a depleted Earth.
This looong movie crap needs to stop Harry potter movies were 2 and half hours long...and were made for kids. My 7 year old watches it whole. Return of the king was over 3 and a half hours. I find it very hard to take a movie critic serious when he starts of with movie is soooo loong. What...it s 5 hours long?? Then he says it was not boring. Gtfoh
Avatar was just a glorified video game cutscene, but it still made for a relatively entertaining adventure. I didn't hate on it the way most people do, though I get the many flaws and dumb aspects.
I HATED it due to the anti-human propaganda angle. You just know that the humans would, logically, return and destroy the Pandoran biosphere just so they could mine in peace. My Species, Right or Wrong.
@@mirceazaharia2094 that is the one nitpick I have, humans have a tendency to not give up, be it good or bad. They would come back in bigger numbers and with more backing since they could spin the story any way they wanted "the blue aliens attacked our peaceful operations and our efforts to cooperate failed so we fought back in defence with one of our members going rouge and siding with them, killing hundreds of our staff" Next time the entire earth military would begin a punitive expedition, space battleships, ship carriers, napalm, nukes. It ends to way, the natives defanged and beaten knowing their place as the second dominant species but still independent, or we end up in the total destruction of navii independence, humans can do horrid stuff to other humans and justify it later with massive amounts of mental gymnastics, this time it will be so easy. Tldr: history is depressing and unless they get high tech the navii are gonners if the sequels are written correctly
So bad dialogue and poor acting but it says “families are good” = grounds for a positive review? Avatar looked like shit too. HOWEVER, he IS right that Cameron CAN direct action better than anyone. Avatar did have that…
I'm glad it's a popcorn movie, fun and not woke. It also makes me realize listening to Chris mention the flaws that we have been so starved for quality entertainment, the flaws in Avatar don't bring it down since we barely get movies like this anymore.
The flaws he says are in every other Cameron movie? Moves like Terminator, Aliens, T-2, The Abyss and heck even Titanic? WHAT FLAWS!?! He doesn't specify any of them {of course he can't right now unless he wants to lose his early access} so maybe give it the benefit of the doubt and stop assuming the worst!
@franohmsford7548 i didn't intend to assume the worst. It was a general statement on the current movie industry and flaws in a movie that could otherwise impact it more in a more competitive market. Can't say anything without someone losing their shit.
@@trellis1027 "Woke" means it supports and pushes the idiotic Western "values" of diversity and inclusion at all costs. It means that you MUST love all of the hom-os, weirdos, inter-racial relationships, per-v-erts, child-fondlers, embrace the destruction of modesty / the traditional family / decency and self-restraint, or you are labelled as evil. There is no negociation with woke people. Either you are an obedient brainwashed drone like them, or you are the ENEMY.
I was really convinced this would be totally woke, dealing with climate change in my mind most of all, but also assumed a bunch of strong females overshadowing Jake. If it’s not, I’m actually excited to see this.
Trust me, Avatar 2 is NOT going to be woke at all. As Chris said, the only message you would get from this movie is that nature is beautiful and we need to preserve it, as well as preserving our nuclear family bonds. Those messages are very much as conservative as they can go, and lean on traditional mindset & values. Plus, Cameron himself is a very conservative man; he is one of the last A list Hollywood directors who remains loyal to the traditional Christian values, and wasn't consumed by the more "progressive" leftist agendas. Heck, even his comment about testosterone (which a lot of people had misunderstood) was a tounge-in-chick remark about his ever changing approach to filmmaking, going from a controlling and demanding creator to a for more relaxed and leaned back filmmaker. I know it's kinda hard to accept as truth given how much we all got surrounded by Hollywood's woke ideology movies, but I feel that it's only because people forgot that none- woke movies still exist and people can shoot a movie without it featuring any sort of activism. Oh, and one last point against this movie being woke- if it was a woke movie, you would had probably already heard about it being so. Woke Hollywood LOOOOOOVES to advertise their movies as being woke, so if Avatar 2 had featured a "strong independent whaman" or "black/Latinex/ LGBT representation", it would had been in the forefront of the movies advertisement. Yet as you can see it's pretty much not the case for avatar 2, which means it has no wokeness to sell you on.
Prototypical of JC movies! Simple premise, heightened emotions, realistic cgi, gut-wrenching fight sequences and big BO receipt. And all the haters whine about is the tree hugging stuff. Tell me something I don't know. And Chris is wrong!
Agree. The people who hate on avatar using wokeness as an excuse are deluded. Even 80's movies had diversity in a realistic way. Check out Lethal weapon movies with Mel gibson and danny glover (black guy) in the lead roles. Even the Goonies movie and Indiana Jones 2 had a chinese kid in the main cast of characters.
How low does the bar have to be if the only criteria for a good movie these days is positive family values and not woke?
Pretty low. We're missing the good characters, good plot (from beginning to ending), and good dialogues.
@@TheRibbonRed he downright laughed at the dialogue
@@denkerbosu3551 every single Cameron film has tons of humor in it
@@TheRibbonRed you do not even need that, you just need to have good entertainment. Plenty of movies have bad dialog or plots, but are still good media
@@ABrickWalledCD Intentional or unintentional?
“James Cameron doesn’t do what he does for James Cameron. James Cameron does it, because James Cameron IS James Cameron”
-James Cameron
The way Chris Gore describes this movie sounds like one of the reactions to Cameron's Titanic which is "the worst-written film I ever happily saw twice".
You put me in mind of the line the principal from Porky’s 2 said after confiscating the stag reel from the main characters: “I sat through every frame of this disgusting film…..twice”.
Listening to Chris trying to explain why everything he says is bad, is actually good is kinda hilarious.
James has always had strong female leads without making the men look weak or foolish.
This crew of haters all disappointed by Chris' nuanced and intelligent analysis.
Chris Gore should let us know if his kids were willing to sit through the whole movie.
I don’t think his kids went to the movie… sounded like it was just for critics
His kids are grown. Youngest is college aged.
Forget waterboarding. This is TORTURE!
@@warrennicholsony.fernando4513 ha ha
@@abbyfarris5578 Sometimes when critics (or too many critics, or a certain type of critic) like a movie, that's a bad sign.
People keep doubting Cameron but even at his worst, he is better than 99.9% of directors. I hope it does well.
I miss pre titanic Cameron more than any other director.
@@LordBob858 same
@@LordBob858 I think there is still a lot of quality and fun in what he does.
@@HecmarJayam Anyone who thinks testosterone is a toxin has lost there ever loving mind , the man was a legend , now he is a soy infested narcissist who has surrounded himself with people who blow smoke up his ass .
He is a coward if the Humans don't win in totality in Avater 2.
I can see the movie poster now: "It's a long movie."--Chris Gore
Reminds me of Mark Hamill asked about how the last Jedi is different from older star wars movies and he says, "it's longer"
The ending drags yeah, it's setting up at least 4 more sequels
Tom:I want a real movie.
The Northman:I'm I a joke to you?
Northman was overrated, Generic, one Norse man takes revenge, Shakespeare inspired story
@@paulharris7660 It inspired Shakespeare.....
@@paulharris7660 A real movie nonetheless.
The Northman was great.
The Northman wasn't my typical type of movie (dark revenge drama), but I enjoyed it and see the quality of it.
Chris: I was never bored, had a great time, and love the theme.
Also Chris: It has every James Cameron movie flaw, the dialogue sucks, the villian sucks, it's like a YA novel at time, it drags, and jumps the shark with a major logic gap in the third act.
A great theme doesn't mean a good film, Chris. This sounds like a bad time for 3 hours.
The usual mixed signals out of Chris.
I was trying to figure out that logic as well. If it drags, that's boredom.
His first assessment was the correct one. The positive points about stuff like "mmuh family" sounds like honeymoon phase; there are better material covering that subject than YA Novel level of writing.
@@TheRibbonRed Guys. I think he's saying why it will be a hit, not why it's an objectively good movie. That seems pretty clear.
@@inthefade he didn't clarify that he didn't think it's a good movie. He was so taken aback by the family stuff that it's pretty clear he's still in honeymoon phase with it.
Maybe once the embargo clears, he gets his overall assessment on it.
“I went to see Avatar: Way of Water yesterday, and I just got back. It is a long movie.” Sounds like it
"Make Marvel Male Again!" Great Chris! Thank you! :)
He keeps talking about the bad dialogue but how much fun he had. The Original Star Wars and the best Strek Trek movies have some of the worst dialogue, but we love the interaction between characters.
I just don’t want Disney to get any of my money…
I just don't want them to get ANY MONEY that doesn't come directly from Vanguard and Blackrock ESG pay-offs.
Content is King, and some emotional idiot in the TH-cam comment section has no bearing on that absolute truth.
As long as the content is good, people will watch it.
Shut up, and enjoy to movie, or stay home and bitch and moan about it in loneliness, since everyone else will flock to see it.
Those people you dislike in Hollywood, they do the exact same thing you do at this moment.
They irrationally hate on something when they should not.
It's fully James Cameron movie... Disney will only distribute it.
They still get some even just a little bit of it
Welp we all gotta pay taxes so either way the elites get our money but I understand wanting to withhold it as much as possible
His name is James, James Cameron
The bravest pioneer
No budget too steep, no sea too deep
Who's that?
It's him, James Cameron
James, James Cameron explorer of the sea
With a dying thirst to be the first
Could it be? Yeah that's him!
James Cameron
Wasnt this on south park?
South Park Song
Chris Gore said "family" more than Vin Diesel in this review.
Whats interesting is that Chris says this movie is flawed like every James Cameron movie Avatar, Abyss, Terminator, T2, Titanic, all of these movies were HUGE HITS lol.
Probably because James Cameron knows how to hit them emotional nerves, the b-ast-a-rd.
Outside of T2 and Aliens they are all flawed
@@WayStedYou hahaha
Stuff doesn't have to be perfectl, just have to be enjoyable (aka "good").
@@WayStedYou Titanic became the highest grossing movie of all time for it’s time. The Abyss is the most underrated, The Terminator literally one of the best Sci Fi horror movies of all time.
I lost my virginity with help from the movie Titanic not long after it released. I'll give Cameron that.
That was a surprising reaction. I expected Chris to trash it based on the first few minutes. I’m glad it pure well made popcorn escapism. We finally get two well made action movies in the same year no less.
Yeah, honestly made it sound incredible. Nearly all big blockbuster movies are going to have silly plot points or whatever. Avatar especially for whatever reason gets super hardcore criticism. Not sure if I see it elsewhere.
@@cinemapigeon4898 yep, I don't recall anyone complaining about the simple story in Top Gun Maverick.
@Kristian Matthews. Maverick WAS well written though. Simple, but well written. Nothing really illogical and no plotholes. Sounds like Avatar 2 is a lot worse then that in the writing department.
@@arachosia Yes. Maverick stole a jet for an unauthorized test trench run. He should have gotten dishonorably discharged, jailed even. How come they couldn't have just destroyed the SAM missile sites at same time as the cruise missiles destroyed the base (wouldn't even be a movie then lol as everything is about training for the mission)?
How come for such an important mission they didn't have way more support fighter jets for backup, instead having only Hangman who is able to come in last second for epic save (because it's a movie and movies need dramatic moments).
Oh and yeah the entire movie is literally based around the Death Star trench run from Star Wars, like even aiming computer assist isn't working and they have to use their own intuition, their own skill, their own "force" to shoot missiles into an exhaust port.
But of course It's easy to nit pick to death anything. It's best to turn that part of the brain off if the movie is good enough overall. Otherwise nothing will be enjoyable.
Like I said though, I do find it annoying how certain film makers get judged incredibly harsh, way different standard of critique that doesn't apply to most movies. All Cameron movies are simple plots, pretty basic (goes for all blockbusters). However he does execute the plots well, good enough story, good enough characters, properly paced, relatable universal themes, and of course stunning visuals , action, overall production (Titanic behind the scenes is incredible, they basically build a near life sized Titanic to sink over and over for shooting the sinking, or flooded ship hallways with massive amounts of water pouring in, etc...)
Some people do enjoy hating movies more than they like movies, which is lame to me.
@@Biggiiful going Mach 10 and bursting into flames and then just being totally fine after that is pretty illogical. And at the end there just happens to be an F-14 sitting around for Maverick to steal. Very convenient. The story was nothing too special, but it was well-executed, just like every Cameron movie. You might end up being right about the writing in Avatar 2, but it’s premature to make any kind of judgment there. Let’s wait and see.
That "Oh No" hit hard!
But it sounds like film will set the tone of the franchise where as long as you accept it as schlocky sci-fi movies and not _the pinnacle of cinema,_ you will enjoy Cameron's Avatar.
It's probably what he was going for anyway.
I disagree. I have a feeling that the movie has a bunch of woke nonsense that Chris was ooooooooo'd into missing because of Cameron's SFX. He completely missed the fact that the entire cast of bad people are white. That is no accident in a Cameron movie.
@@jeremiah6462 James Cameron is a very political guy. However he is truly passionate about what he believes in, and he's not just ticking off a box. He does love the ocean, he does love nature, I don't think he has to apologize for that. I much rather see film makers make the movies they want instead of focus group tested garbage.
@CinemaPigeon
Did you see anything about Terminator Dark Fate? That movie is all about.... "the message". Cameron's return to the franchise.
@@jeremiah6462 Yes, one of 15 producers. His involvement was pretty mild. It's almost more for marketing purposes. Like how Peter Jackson produced Mortal Engines
Will never understand how big box office movies don't start first with a billion dollar script before throwing a billion dollars of cinematography into it.
The masses just aren't going to movies for the script. Visual spectacles completely dominate the box office.
@@kinera yah, I agree with that. I guess it takes a passionate director who cares about their legacy more than their wallet. Those sorts of directors are becoming less common, maybe?
@@joebearslim The problem is those great scripts and stories is they fly over the head of a lot of people who just go to movies to be entertained. That's why Cameron has such success he keeps it simple enough that everyone can understand.
@@kinera I wouldn't say that good scripts have to be high brow or even smart. If you look at Aliens, it wasn't complex or deep. But, each character has real motivations, nobody was a cut-out, the script wasn't clunky.
Cameron spent a couple years writing these films and then hired a writing team to help him refine and revise what he had done. I'm sure an incredible amount of thought and work went into the scripts. Everything is completely intentional. He's not trying to make Memento or something. He likes to tell straightforward, relatable stories that are character-oriented. It works great for the kinds of theme-park-ride style movies he makes.
16:24 Actually the Empire is pretty well documented as being anti-non-humanoid with regards to their personnel, and not to mention started out with an army of clones of one guy.
I think the 'illogical' might be the spiritualism. Us hard-core fans understand it perfectly from analyzing the first one so much.
Ok this is the first "negative" take I've seen despite offering a lot of praise overall. Super positive and loving nearly everything about it, except some dialogue and story beats/length. That sounds like a massive W. Sounds to me like a Cameron masterpiece in the standard Cameron blockbuster mold. His movies do transport you to another world, they do have some corny/campy aspects to them, they are melodramatic, but they are still high key pretty great movies. Universally beloved, everyone can connect with them, *heart*, etc... Another youtuber described Cameron as making romantic movies, not in terms of romance (although there often is romance), but in terms of sense of awe and wonder, something you wish you could experience.
This guy sounds extremely cynical . Because he said that all Cameron’s movies had bad dialogue …. But I don’t think that’s even remotely true.
@@mrblob5413 Yeah. I understand if there's some corny and campy dialogue, as that's sorta Cameron's style. But outright bad dialogue? Cameron's movies have seemed solidly written to me, I don't expect Tarantino of course, but there's probably some skill in writing a movie that can translate well to every language on Earth as Avatar is a super global movie.
Movie stunk on ice
@@cinemapigeon4898 watched it. I would say there are maybe 4-5 bad cringey lines. The rest were acceptable to good. Mostly from the “marine biologist”.
Some people were saying “why are they saying bro or cuz” but only Jake’s kids were saying that , and that’s because Jake is of course from Earth and they learned it from him. So it makes sense.
@@mrblob5413 Yeah, also they're speaking Navi but Jake understands it the same as English as he stated in the very beginning, so it could be a rough translation of a bro equivalent.
Avatar checking all my boxes!! 1) no woke, 2) no diversity shit!! 3) 3D 4) action , one liners and a lot of bullets!!! Like the 80s and 90s and good old fashion family values.
There is diversity though in the casting
@@maddys7281Oh no… that’s gonna piss off the closeted, neo-Nazi bigots
It's strange how decent 'family' movies become the new novelty.
Strange indeed
If the movie has a garbage story then who cares about themes?
Why do certain blockbusters get such a critical scalpel applied to them? It's not applied evenly across movies. Everyone loves Top Gun Maverick, it's a good movie no doubt, well made, well shot, engaging, etc... However it's literally based around a key plot point of Star Wars A New Hope (literally the entire movie is about training for the big moment from New Hope). There's plenty of "logical" issues. How does Tom Cruise just steal a jet to attempt the trench run himself? He gets dishonorably discharged in real life, jailed, lol. The movie makes it into a funny scene when he's being reprimanded, but that's totally not what would happen. But you can nit pick anything to death if you want. How come they couldn't destroy the SAM missile sites before attempting the mission? How come they couldn't have more fighter jets serving as backup a lot closer to them instead of a perfectly timed last second save for maximum dramatic effect (oh cause it's a movie).
Tom and Andre's silence was SO GOLDEN when Chris Gore gave them the opposite reaction they expected.
Chris Gore is always a hit when he jumps on this channel
you do realize that, technically, Sullys character is a white human in blue face.
I knew they should have casted the Blue Man Group instead. Racists!!!
What a nazi film!
Didnt he transfer his soul or essence or whatever to the avatar at the end of the first film
A white human SPECIES TRAITOR downloaded into an alien body grown in a lab.
@@WayStedYou Yes
This should have been a Thundercats film. They have cat people.
I would love a Thudercats movie😭
I still can't believe we live in world with an R-rated Winnie the Pooh slasher movie but no Thundercats movie.
@@adora_lovely They're in talks about making one. Just saw a video about it yesterday or the day before.
@@robinthrush9672 You have just made my day, thank u 😊✨️
@@adora_lovely th-cam.com/video/C49g94fuIh8/w-d-xo.html
The video goes over a bit of their history, attempts to make prior movies, and what should be the movie's style if it's made.
@@robinthrush9672 omg! 😍 MAD thanks Robin, I have a friend who will be as thrilled as I am to see this! You've earned yourself a sub. ✨️
Out of countless early "reviews" this is the first one to tilt negative. I'm really excited for next Thursday. Flawed movies are perfectly fine as long as the movie still delivers. Love hearing the strong father angle. You're right, that's seriously missing from Hollywood. Appreciate your feedback.
It's not woke and preachy
That's all I needed to hear... I'm in
The family themes are so good. Especially when most stuff using that theming feels very anti family by the end.
The problem with this move is going to be getting people through the door. Sink or swim will be word of mouth. Personally I have zero intrest in getting off my ass and going to a theatre for this.
I saw Avatar once at a friend's house, and I've never wanted to see it again. So not going to this new one.
Every Cameron film has been fueled by word of mouth. It happens every time.
I feel like the first film was as much about the spectacle as the story. 3D was still a novelty and Avatar was this epic experience that had to be seen in IMAX. At least that's how I remember it. Not sure if that works today. Of course I'm old so what do I know. These superhero movies that I grew bored of years ago still do gangbusters at the box office. Maybe it's huge overseas and makes $3M. Wouldn't surprise me.
@@arphod I saw it with great hopes, but it turned out to be ANTI-HUMAN GARBAGE. I hate it with a passion to this day.
I wasn't looking forward to this but I actually am now
Chris Gore is talking like he loved it but is trying to keep up the charade for the midnights edge viewers who have a hateboner for the film.
I honestly don't get how he keeps describing every major plot point as woke but then doubling down on it not being woke.
"It's cowboys and Indians and we're rooting for the Indians."
"All the villains are white."
Like, I don't care if there's a strong father figure in the movie, if the movie is going to lecture me about critical race theory, I'm not giving them my hard earned money.
The 'testosterone is a toxin' comments by James Cameron killed whatever interest I might have had. Pass.
Same here. If we're going to draw a line in the sand against wokeness, you need to hold that line no matter what. Fuck him for saying that.
It was always going to be anti-human, pro-alien DRIVEL.
This is a Low-T response to tangentially related comments by the director. Jake Sully is a galactic blue-cheek clapping Chad
@@Cosmogenitor ...who betrayed his own species for a piece of a**.
@@madaxe606 this is literally what testosterone would compel him to do, pick an issue with the man
"Testosterone is Toxic" James 't2' Cameron.
Hard pass imo
Haha…what an incredibly stupid reason to not see a movie.
@@arachosia It's a VERY valid reason. Supporting this movie means supporting woke Hollywood in its attacks on what is normal and decent. Testosterone is NEVER toxic, it is what makes men, and men build and maintain civilization.
Amen, brother.
I’ll see it after this review. I understand people not wanting to give Disney money but you tell a company what you want to see by spending money on what you want to see. If Avatar 2 is a good family movie that’s makes a lot of money then perhaps we could get more of the same in the future. As consumers we speak with our wallets.
Trust me, I cancelled Disney+ and haven’t seen a crap movies of theirs in several years, but I’m willing to show Disney what I’m willing to spend my money on. At least until the next woke disaster.
While Disney owns 21st Century Fox, this is not a Disney movie. It was filming since 2017, and is under the complete control and direction of James Cameron.
I want to tell the studios not to bother with the Avatar IP so i'm not spending money on it. Environmentalist preaching and weirdass blue creeps leave me cold. Heck in the first one I was rooting for the mercenaries.
The movie took so long to make it's still reflects values from over 10 years ago
Messaging is better than Preaching imo.
I agree with what he says. I didn't see it as flawed. But agree that it defies some logic. The same story retold, yes. Rebels against the invaders. Star wars, dances with Wolves etc. But yes it's the family values, character development and amazing visuals. But it is the best big movie I have seen in a very, very long time and agree that it absolutely blows away anything from Marvel, star wars (except the first one). Not even close. It felt like how I felt when I watched the first Star wars. I loved all the hangout scenes and how it developed over the 3 hours. Better than the first. Absolutely fantastic.
Dances with wolves and cowboys and Indians in space is exactly what I want. Avatar was awesome! Its just fun to watch. Its the sense of wonder and adventure mostly. Throwing in some clichés is fine. I miss good movies. Top Gun Maverick was great!
I want cowboys and Indians if I have the option of who I root for and it’s not just Whitey Bad
The first Avatar movie was so predictable for long stretches that it seriously hampered any sense of adventure and wonder to me.
The first Avatar was ANTI-HUMAN DRIVEL, the traitor against his own species got a "happily ever after" and the humans, your own species, got sent back home without the vital mineral they need to solve Earth's energy crisis.
You'll get more of the same. Rejoice, you utter sheep. Rejoice in your drivel.
Entertaining though it might be, somehow I don't think the general audience will get the message. They've been burned too much this year. Trust will need to be re-earned.
If it's just "good enough", they'll see it. Normoids are emotional critters sleep-walking on autopilot, always blindly fumbling along for the next hit of dopamine.
The true enemy of Pandora, is not human beings, but Pantera
I'm sold. Taking the kids and mom to see this movie. Thank You CHRIS GORE!!!!
Here's hoping you like it and don't regret it.
The zombie hordes will love it
It's fantasy, it's a movie, its escapism- get real.
It's sad we'll never get to see the movie the way Cameron intended, hopefully one day, but I'm glad to hear at least they didn't ruin it
well, im taking my family to this film, im sold :D
On the one hand, this sounds like a good time in the theater. On the other hand, I don't want to give Disney a freaking dime.
so pirate it later
My title is "Avatar 2: Way of the Waterworld."
I do like that he’s actually pointing out the good quality’s of the movie and not just jumping on the hate bandwagon that this movie seems to be getting. The first movie was generic in terms of story but had great visuals and was fun and this movie looks like it’ll be about the same
That because Chris Gore seems to be the kind of guy to not irrationally hate or love something.
He had fun with the movie. He was never bored by a critically flawed art piece.
But if you read half the comment section, you'll get the impression that he was specifically paid to say that by Cameron himself.
These people are so blinded by their loathing of woke Hollywood, so much so that they would allow one silly comment made by Cameron to stop them from having fun.
I get why their mad, they are still stupid for acting this way though.
@@verigumetin4291 i want to like this movie, but I don't want disney to get money from it.
It's a dilemma, if this movie is successful then we can anticipate movies that are also good, this and maverick could be the vanguard for a new more fun era of movies, on the other hand, it might give disney the wrong message and continue making garbage.
If it fails it could also be the opposite, they double down on the woke, or they realize they need to change ASAP before they go under the sea.
Tldr, I have no faith in the future of Hollywood, specifically disney, am also poor af and can't waste money on a movie, gotta pay that electricity bill
@@thatonejoey1847 I would say it would be a better idea to support a good movie REGARDLESS of who made it, rather than wallow down on the idea that a company you don't like would get a pay out of it. As as much as it pains me to say it, this is especially true for Disney. Disney is notorious for killing absolutely fantastic projects like Treasure Planet, Atlantis, Princess and the Frog & more simply because they underperformed in the theaters, which led to them killing their entire 2D animation department as result. The house of mouse doesn't take failures too lightly, so if something as massive as Avatar would not perform, they can tank down with it Cameron's whole production studio, and all the technology advances he made for it. In other words, Avatar not performing as well as Disney/ Fox set it to be means the death of improvement in movie VFX and CGI technology, as well as all the advances in motion capturing tech and underwater filmmaking. And that's only for the technical side of things. As a ripple effect it would kill what's left of Fox's LA movie department, and leave us with no quality time movie entertainment, more so one that isn't fused with woke ideology.
So as you correctly noted, Avatar 2 failing would send the wrong message to Disney, and they would strive away from making fun & creative movies like it anymore, and only double down on their already heavy handed woke movies even more. Actually supporting Avatar, being a Disney movie or not, is our only path of escaping the woke, and it may open the door for more none- woke movies to come over.
Yeah, I agree. I’m against woke virtue signaling as much as the next guy, but it seems like a lot of people just jump to the assumption that a film be bad without even giving it a chance
I’d say just go ahead and see it if you want to see it. I think at this point Disney will continue to make bad movies regardless but if avatar 2 does well then at least we might see more James Cameron productions.
Probably the first bad review I had listened to and he had a hard time explaining why he ended up saying more good things than bad after all. He doesn't make sense. No need to subscribe to this.
Wasn’t gonna see this…but, maybe I will…
Thank goodness for this clear-sighted 'review' and not just hyperbolic "masterpiece" bollocks.
Yeah this movie is going to be critically bombed for having a strong dad in the story.
Good to hear that this movie isn't trash
So happy to se a good report on the movie, I was so disapointed wen James started with that testosteron bull-crap!
The Dolby 3d screen in nashville is sold out from opening day to dec 29. That’s as far in advance they are selling tickets. These are visuals that no one has ever seen before. And the theme of family is gonna resonate with people. A strong family unit is pretty anti-woke people. 3 billion. Sucks that Disney will make money, but they’ll continue to lose money elsewhere
It was intentionally done that way to boost ticket sales it’s not genuine
It's a strong alien family that will kill humans. I hate it already. Burn the goddamn moon from orbit, then strip-mine it dry.
The movie is a tech demo based on the noble savage trope.
Honestly, i think it's a good movie for the masses. In that regard, I'll cut it some slack. It set out to do something and it does it well. Go with your family and kids and enjoy it. I judge a movie based on 3 criteria, one of them being entertainment value. So if the story isn't great but I'm entertained, either because of the action or visuals and I like the characters, I'll cut it some slack. I like that Chris Gore is mostly objective in his assessment. A lot of times people trash a movie based on personal bias. I have a lot of hatred for Disney and Hollywood, but I'll give credit where it's due. And I really do think we need movies we can enjoy with the family or groups of people.
It's 200 dollars for a family dude they'll buy one blu ray instead 😆
@@geert574 nah... A movie with visuals like this is why people pay premium to go to the theater. Most movies are not worth the theater expirience. But this movie is, just for the visuals. However unless the story and characters manage to grab hold of me, i expect to see it just once.
@@geert574 Nah, Where I live to see it on iMAX is just adults15$/kids10$ and CXC is adults10$/kids7$. And some come with reclinable chairs.
If you want the 4DX experience or reclinable chairs, food service, and seats that spray water in your face, Yeah you might pay that much.
But if you are going to spend that much on a movie this is the movie to spend it on.
“You are not in Kansas anymore. You are on Pandora, ladies and gentlemen. Respect that fact every second of every day. If there is a Hell, you might wanna go there for some R & R after a tour on Pandora. Out there beyond that fence every living thing that crawls, flies, or squats in the mud wants to kill you and eat your eyes for jujubes. “
Give me a white villain like him any day his performance still amazing till today
I didn't care for the first movie. I'm definitely sitting this one out. I will be finishing up my platinum on Ragnarok and getting ready for Crisis Core Reunion.
All these great filmmakers, as they get old, get senile. They need to know when to call it and go into retirement
I got this instead of another alita battle angel geez nice going Cameron
We’re getting the message: “The sea is always right!” Oh wait, wrong franchise. 😜
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
We been hating on these Marvels too much man, Winter Soldier had such snappy dialogue that's what we need
Winter Soldier was a long time ago, and was probably one of the last Marvel movies that was even entertaining at all. And even it is a bunch of who-cares silliness
Tom decided he wasn't going to give the movie a chance.
James Cameron is such a strict Director!! 🎥 14:04
I’m so glad I don’t have a brain of a massive Critics to judge every little thing lol.
I am still not going to see it.
I'm gettin pretty good at judging things from trailers. What he is saying is exactly what I figured would be the case. The trailer takes me right back to 2009 when I saw the original in theatres.
So bland and forgettable. Got it.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 Not to me. I enjoyed the first one. There are problems but i don't mind rewatching it.
@@donkeysaurusrex7881 perhaps Marvel is more your speed, leave Cameron kino to the cinephiles
@@ABrickWalledCD cinephiles or people who lack testosterone seeing he says thats a toxin . The man was a legend but now , not so much .
@@ABrickWalledCD Avatar for cinephiles? That's hilarious. You snarkly tell him to watch Marvel but they're both nothing but pretty effects and weak story.
James Cameron and his love for water and sea life is incomparable,,,,, the cove, leviathian, earthling kind of documentary and this movie has one of the best message of saving sea life marine life,,,,, Family entertainment done right,,,, James always is good but i dont know what happened with dark fate,,,, but this one is full on action family entertainment it is pure fun!
I’m genuinely surprised it’s got a strong father considering Cameron’s recent comments on family, fatherhood, and testosterone
A strong ALIEN FATHER, that will be KILLING HUMANS. Not something to root for, but something to DESPISE.
@@mirceazaharia2094 what a hater that takes his time to write shit command to every one ahahahhahahahah
@@mirceazaharia2094 Well... except that that "alien" father is a human himself, and was originally suppose to serve in the military force of the humans, for the the humans. So to correct your point. it's a HUMAN father turned into an alien that will be killing fellow humans. Just pointing this out.
For the record, Cameron's comment about Testosterone was a tongue in chick way of talking about is approach to filmmaking. In more detail, he was talking about how he changed from a strict and controlling director to a more open and lean back filmmaker who takes his work more calmly. a lot of people misunderstood this refence, to be honest.
@@viktoria_pikovsky finally😅 someone thinking with out testosterone
Idk-- I was irritated by the colonialism bad message in the first avatar.
Colonialism had its good, but also its bad parts throughout history.
@@mirceazaharia2094 🤙😉
Sooooooo, is the story any good or is it just a case of shit movies being fed to us for a decade (exceot for Top Gun Maverick) then suddenly good visuals makes for a good movie?
What’s so great about Maverick’s story?
@@arachosia Maverick has good action, good visuals and is not woke. That's the best that can be said about it, and what people hoped for, and what they got. So, overall, not bad.
Yes. This is exactly the case.
@@mirceazaharia2094 i don't see you
The ending and dialogue of true lies, terminator 1, terminator 2, and Aliens don’t suck…
True Lies absolutely does suck!
I don't get where the revisionism on that movie has come from but it got absolutely excoriated when it came out and was considered terrible for at least a decade afterwards!
And it's not like Last Action Hero where the critics just didn't get it or Starship Troopers which seems to have gone the other way with critics coming out of the woodwork in the 2010s....True Lies is an objectively awful movie!
@@franohmsford7548 let me counter all that with this. "No."
I enjoyed it
god, it sounds awful. can we get back to cinema in which people talk and react like human beings with a functioning brain? films with stories that, even if fantastic or far fetched, are internally consistent and make sense?
Pretty hard to get that if the people in charge has massive ego.
More often than not, a sequel to any unique and groundbreaking movie almost always seems a bit disappointing, but we will have to see how it does.
I hate movies with families "moving in the new neighborhood" ... sigh. ...
Blowing everything MCU this year out of the water isn't exactly a high bar, but I am glad to hear it isn't a trashfire. Still not motivated to watch it as I wasn't a huge fan of Avatar as a whole.
I HATED Avatar for being anti-human agitprop and I wish it to bomb harder than the Tsar Bomba.
That picture of Na-MORRRRRRRR is a textbook example of false advertising. He had less a six pack more a stack of marshmallows.
He had massive stack in his pants that got CGI'd to oblivion
I was prepared to sit through it just for the pretty lights to be honest. I was happy to just get lost in the first movie rather than pay attention to its flaws, and I'm so starved for entertainment devoid of woke crap slipped in there that I was pretty much sold on this regardless.
i get the same impression from chris' review. its going to be something the audience missed and for that reason it will be 1.5b film.
You have such very low standards, people. Dear God, I'm ashamed of you. Watch some older movies, be more selective, maybe even pick up a book.
To touch on one of the simplest things Coogler missed on the underwater scenes and shots in bp2, is bubbles. For motion, for airflow, that's something basic that animators learn in school. Oof.
13:12 God I love once upon a Time in Hollywood. 😈🎥
I’m happy to hear it’s giving fathers props
Avatar 1 is Dances with Wolves...
which is a good film
I love it. And I loved Avatar in the theater but the more I watch the more I feel it's a "Dances with Wolves" with the natives wining... That removes originality from Avatar
@@katanalx I wish there could have been a compromise solution between humans and natives. The humans NEEDED that unobtainium to solve the energy crisis on Earth.
Anyone who rooted for the dumb hivemind natives rooted for those humans to have miserable, impoverished lives on a depleted Earth.
This looong movie crap needs to stop
Harry potter movies were 2 and half hours long...and were made for kids. My 7 year old watches it whole.
Return of the king was over 3 and a half hours.
I find it very hard to take a movie critic serious when he starts of with movie is soooo loong.
What...it s 5 hours long??
Then he says it was not boring.
Gtfoh
I'm waiting for The Way of Earth, Wind & Fire. I hear it's releasing in September.
I cant quite remember, but it will be the 21st night, no?
Avatar was just a glorified video game cutscene, but it still made for a relatively entertaining adventure. I didn't hate on it the way most people do, though I get the many flaws and dumb aspects.
I HATED it due to the anti-human propaganda angle. You just know that the humans would, logically, return and destroy the Pandoran biosphere just so they could mine in peace. My Species, Right or Wrong.
@@mirceazaharia2094 that is the one nitpick I have, humans have a tendency to not give up, be it good or bad.
They would come back in bigger numbers and with more backing since they could spin the story any way they wanted "the blue aliens attacked our peaceful operations and our efforts to cooperate failed so we fought back in defence with one of our members going rouge and siding with them, killing hundreds of our staff"
Next time the entire earth military would begin a punitive expedition, space battleships, ship carriers, napalm, nukes.
It ends to way, the natives defanged and beaten knowing their place as the second dominant species but still independent, or we end up in the total destruction of navii independence, humans can do horrid stuff to other humans and justify it later with massive amounts of mental gymnastics, this time it will be so easy.
Tldr: history is depressing and unless they get high tech the navii are gonners if the sequels are written correctly
@@mirceazaharia2094 dont worry you will get transhumans in movies soon forget aliens in space.
So bad dialogue and poor acting but it says “families are good” = grounds for a positive review?
Avatar looked like shit too.
HOWEVER, he IS right that Cameron CAN direct action better than anyone. Avatar did have that…
The only “woke” part of Avatar 2 is the 99.9% white 22nd century US military.
I'm glad it's a popcorn movie, fun and not woke. It also makes me realize listening to Chris mention the flaws that we have been so starved for quality entertainment, the flaws in Avatar don't bring it down since we barely get movies like this anymore.
Not really a good one, if it takes the whole market to stink to be good.
There are better movies for way less screentime for me.
The flaws he says are in every other Cameron movie?
Moves like Terminator, Aliens, T-2, The Abyss and heck even Titanic?
WHAT FLAWS!?!
He doesn't specify any of them {of course he can't right now unless he wants to lose his early access} so maybe give it the benefit of the doubt and stop assuming the worst!
What does woke mean?
@franohmsford7548 i didn't intend to assume the worst. It was a general statement on the current movie industry and flaws in a movie that could otherwise impact it more in a more competitive market. Can't say anything without someone losing their shit.
@@trellis1027 "Woke" means it supports and pushes the idiotic Western "values" of diversity and inclusion at all costs. It means that you MUST love all of the hom-os, weirdos, inter-racial relationships, per-v-erts, child-fondlers, embrace the destruction of modesty / the traditional family / decency and self-restraint, or you are labelled as evil. There is no negociation with woke people. Either you are an obedient brainwashed drone like them, or you are the ENEMY.
I was really convinced this would be totally woke, dealing with climate change in my mind most of all, but also assumed a bunch of strong females overshadowing Jake. If it’s not, I’m actually excited to see this.
Trust me, Avatar 2 is NOT going to be woke at all. As Chris said, the only message you would get from this movie is that nature is beautiful and we need to preserve it, as well as preserving our nuclear family bonds. Those messages are very much as conservative as they can go, and lean on traditional mindset & values. Plus, Cameron himself is a very conservative man; he is one of the last A list Hollywood directors who remains loyal to the traditional Christian values, and wasn't consumed by the more "progressive" leftist agendas. Heck, even his comment about testosterone (which a lot of people had misunderstood) was a tounge-in-chick remark about his ever changing approach to filmmaking, going from a controlling and demanding creator to a for more relaxed and leaned back filmmaker.
I know it's kinda hard to accept as truth given how much we all got surrounded by Hollywood's woke ideology movies, but I feel that it's only because people forgot that none- woke movies still exist and people can shoot a movie without it featuring any sort of activism.
Oh, and one last point against this movie being woke- if it was a woke movie, you would had probably already heard about it being so. Woke Hollywood LOOOOOOVES to advertise their movies as being woke, so if Avatar 2 had featured a "strong independent whaman" or "black/Latinex/ LGBT representation", it would had been in the forefront of the movies advertisement. Yet as you can see it's pretty much not the case for avatar 2, which means it has no wokeness to sell you on.
Still not interested in watching a 3 hour long cartoon.
Prototypical of JC movies! Simple premise, heightened emotions, realistic cgi, gut-wrenching fight sequences and big BO receipt. And all the haters whine about is the tree hugging stuff. Tell me something I don't know. And Chris is wrong!
At last, someone I can agree with. This movie MUST FAIL, to bring woke Hollywood to its knees and destroy wokeness once and for all.
Agree. The people who hate on avatar using wokeness as an excuse are deluded. Even 80's movies had diversity in a realistic way. Check out Lethal weapon movies with Mel gibson and danny glover (black guy) in the lead roles. Even the Goonies movie and Indiana Jones 2 had a chinese kid in the main cast of characters.