A veteran in an interview (in the 50's) said that they used hatches taken from british tanks as added armour, he said it worked pretty well (shots used to hit the "spare" hatch, dislodging it, and leaving the original armour intact)
Sorry to be off topic but does anybody know of a trick to get back into an instagram account..? I stupidly forgot the account password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me.
@Maxton Zain Thanks for your reply. I found the site on google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff atm. Takes a while so I will reply here later with my results.
i really hope this channel gets more attention. while its not a super high quality production, i think if you get the support from a larger following you'll be able to increase the quality of the productions. the presentation is good, the audio is pretty good, the content and authenticity is amazing, and the potential is huge. i really hope to see this channel grow
Fundamentally the problem with the Semovente was that they were assigned to the artillery regiments, not the armoured regiments. This meant that every Semovente battery attached to an armoured regiment for an assault was one that wasn't providing artillery support to the whole of the division.
Congratulations to the author, Giusto Arturo for squeezing in a pun at around 13:00 minutes. Bravo! BTW, the script and photo records were clearly well researched. It's great learning about some often overlooked Italian history. 👏
@@1joshjosh1 Because that's what i think! I think they look good, are reliable and are decent in combat. Also Italian industry was not that powerful, yet they were still able to build so many good vehicles!
@@Mestari1Gaming Good points. There is Italian tank at CFB Wainwright you get to climb on. M13/40 I think. It looks good on guard there. You video game guys sure have brought a lot more fans to armored fighting vehicles in the last 15 years. Wasn't so many of us 20 years ago.
@@Mestari1Gaming I just did a little bit of homework and I figure it out it has been moved to CFB Borden. In defense of my information I did see it there 20 years ago. 🤣
Imo these are the shining stars of Italian AFVs from the War. I know the carro veloce is a good meme and the fanboys drone on about the P43 but these little SPGs take the cake.
Loving this channel, and so happy to see an in-depth look at a very good Italian vehicle. It's pretty impressive what the Italians did considering the limitations and leadership they suffered under.
Vero ,quando comparve sul teatro africano ,fu una bruttissima sorpresa x gli inglesi.Presentava innovazioni tecniche ,che,se prodotti in numero adeguato ,avrebbero fatto la differenza ad El Alamein ,com e il cannone da 75 con freno di bocca (all' avanguardia x quel periodo )Questo semovente era in grado di aprire come scatolette i carri inglesi già a 800 metri,mentre loro dovevano avvicinarsi a.400.
The people feeling offended by the affectionate term "Stughetti" should get their italian ID card stripped. Not only they are more serious than needed for a fun nickname but they are also missing the entire point of a 30 minutes long video where it's fully described how effective the tanks were despite the shortcomings, also thanks to the skill of their crews.
Why this vehicle suspension system was absolete? Doesn't like most vehicles of late interwar and early WW2 period used double vertical leaf suspension system or variation of leaf suspension system? Was a Sherman suspension system obsolete?
Nope. The Sherman uses Volute Springs, which are quite different from leaf springs. Also, they have 2 wheels/2 springs as opposed to 4 wheels/1 spring.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT I will take a closer look at those two suspension systems and how they are different. It is just from my general observation those two systems struck me as quite similar in nature as all spring, leaf suspensions. As for a latter point, that is just a minor engineering detail. It is like saying that this tank does not have torsion bar suspension just because it has 1 wheel per side more than normal and that its wheels are quite bigger. It is still a same engineering principle tailored for specific needs. Or otherwise Maus also has some crazy ass new kind of suspension just because it had unusual wheels configuration.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT "The VVSS was then retained with the development of the M2 medium tank along with the M3 medium tank that entered production in August 1941. From there, due to its availability and satisfactory performance in earlier models, the VVSS was retained in the design and production of the legendary M4 Sherman medium tank. During extended deployments and combat operations, the VVSS was found to have a relatively short useful life, particularly with the increasing weight of tanks and their heavy weapons as World War II progressed. When the M4A3 Sherman variant was introduced in late 1942, the vertical volute suspension was gradually replaced in some of the production tanks with a horizontal volute suspension system (HVSS). Those M4A3s equipped with the HVSS were designated M4A3E8 and nicknamed “Easy Eight” because of the tank’s relatively smooth ride." I can't find specifics about this Italian suspension system, but to me it looks like a typical vertical spring based suspension system of its time with all its advantages and limitations.
I'm here because I'm interested in armored vehicles. I'm proud to say I haven't played a video game in 15 years. So I'm not here because I saw something in a video game.
If this was inspired by the stug 3, I'm curious why the waffenamt didn't see the value of turning battle recovered panzer 2s and 38ts into stugs? The 7.5cm kwk37 L-24 would be a tight fit and ammunition capacity would be small. How about the captured French 75mm 1897? The wehrmacht modified it into the pak 38/97. The OKH knew before operation barbarossa that the infantry were vulnerable and needed more infantry support weapons. This solution seems obvious to me. What am I missing?
The Wehrmacht doctrine when they invade the Soviet Union were still based on mobile infantry. By using half-tracked or horses to carrying infantry to the rear if the enemy defenses, it was believed that by not directly fighting enemy main defenses head-on with infantry there was no need for a lot of infantry support vehicle like Stug. They also believed that by having infantry support vehicle, it would slow down the infantry advance to outflank the enemy and force them to fight an "unnecessary" battle. These are the reasons why OKW never really focus on infantry support vehicle until very late into the war.
@@Heylanda-fb9xb It all defies logic to me. After the losses of ww1, OKW knew there weren't enough men to fight a war and provide skilled labor for industry for a basic economy let alone a war machine. The After action reports of the invasions of France and Poland showed that infantry losses were unsustainable and more Infantry support weapons were needed. Paulus was commissioned to report on a logistics analysis of an invasion of Russia. Then he took part in a war game of invading Russia. Both of these accurately predicted the outcome. The front would outpace the supply chain after about 500 kms, and that the soviet Infantry would deplete wehrmacht Infantry reserves before Moscow was reached. They had all the information. Was nazi zealousy blinding them? I don't believe they had a chance of winning the war, they simply didn't have the manpower, industry, coal, iron, other strategic metals and most importantly, oil. And couldn't produce enough food for an army and civilian population.
I feel that your video title is appears faintly derogatory. While the Semovente carried a gun which was even shorter than the early StuG III and had riveted construction it was a far better AFV than the other Italian vehicles.
good soldiers , to bad the same couldent be said of their politicans, a german joke at the time outlines it well it was somthing like this, the italiens only managed to end 1 war on the same side they started on ,,,that was when they changed sides twice..
*en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive_anti-tank#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20very%20early%20HEAT,used%20during%20World%20War%20II.&text=Some%20modern%20examples%20claim%20numbers%20as%20high%20as%20700%25**.* "In general, very early HEAT rounds could expect to penetrate armor of 150% to 250% of their diameters, and these numbers were typical of early weapons used during World War II."
nope, HEAT shells do no care about distance, due to them not relying on kinetic velocity for penetration, a HEAT shell would not change it's effectiveness even if you didn't fire it, but just placed it against the target and detonated it, due to it using a chemical reaction to penetrate armour
yes good soldiers , to bad the same couldent be said of their politicans, a german joke at the time outlines it well it was somthing like this, the italiens only managed to end 1 war on the same side they started on ,,,that was when they changed sides twice..
@@kurtmogensen4815 Politicians in the Great War allowed Italy not to get dragged in a war of aggression by Germany, because the pact was defensive. They also enabled the completion of the Italian independence from Austria. WW2 is a totally different thing, but thankfully Italians, unlike the Germans, had powerful partisan movements and fought for their freedom, instead of dying for a dictator enslaving them until the end.
@@gs7828 Mussolini didn't enslave anyone, didn't even have those who attempted to his life executed, the partisans were a bunch of internationalist communists hell bent on bringing troubles into the country, and at the end of the day, albeit unintentionally, they only fought to get us under the thumb of the US. Not much to be proud about.
Not one unit was up to the strength of the to&e, and makes no sense to produce 60 some odd vehicles wth the knowledge your design is easily broken by the opposition. Details matter not the vehicles were poor compared to those opposing this platform.
I've found the terms "stughetti" and "pasta stugs" very offensive...call these tanks with their correct name "Semovente 75/18" and pay respect to the eroic soldiers of the Divisione Ariete that fought at El Alamein and never surrended to overwhelming enemy forces .
@@lolloblue9646 Of you are Italian, I invite you to read the interesting book "Batterie semoventi alzo zero" (ed. Mursia)…and then you'll never find so "funny" that absurd "nickname" you like so much. Good evening.
@@blasekiller9733 joke as much You want about the name , the reality Is that with the shit You eat daily at home , the spaghetti would be a dream even if served without souce . You excelled at war but with in the kitchen yours One Is a real third world .
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A veteran in an interview (in the 50's) said that they used hatches taken from british tanks as added armour, he said it worked pretty well (shots used to hit the "spare" hatch, dislodging it, and leaving the original armour intact)
bro those italian are very smart
@Kendrick Christopher lmao are you really switching accounts and promoting some bullshit
Sorry to be off topic but does anybody know of a trick to get back into an instagram account..?
I stupidly forgot the account password. I appreciate any assistance you can give me.
@Royal Hamza instablaster :)
@Maxton Zain Thanks for your reply. I found the site on google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff atm.
Takes a while so I will reply here later with my results.
I'm gonna call the Semovente family StuGhetti forever now.
SpaGhetti
As an Italian, YOINK!
😂😂😂❤
Always wondered where these guys came from when I faced them in war thunder
i really hope this channel gets more attention. while its not a super high quality production, i think if you get the support from a larger following you'll be able to increase the quality of the productions. the presentation is good, the audio is pretty good, the content and authenticity is amazing, and the potential is huge. i really hope to see this channel grow
Fundamentally the problem with the Semovente was that they were assigned to the artillery regiments, not the armoured regiments. This meant that every Semovente battery attached to an armoured regiment for an assault was one that wasn't providing artillery support to the whole of the division.
Same issue as the StuG then
Congratulations to the author, Giusto Arturo for squeezing in a pun at around 13:00 minutes. Bravo!
BTW, the script and photo records were clearly well researched. It's great learning about some often overlooked Italian history. 👏
Italian tanks are amazing!
How so?
@@1joshjosh1 Because that's what i think! I think they look good, are reliable and are decent in combat. Also Italian industry was not that powerful, yet they were still able to build so many good vehicles!
@@Mestari1Gaming
Good points.
There is Italian tank at CFB Wainwright you get to climb on.
M13/40 I think.
It looks good on guard there.
You video game guys sure have brought a lot more fans to armored fighting vehicles in the last 15 years.
Wasn't so many of us 20 years ago.
@@Mestari1Gaming
I just did a little bit of homework and I figure it out it has been moved to CFB Borden.
In defense of my information I did see it there 20 years ago.
🤣
Grazie. Sei gentilissimo!
Imo these are the shining stars of Italian AFVs from the War. I know the carro veloce is a good meme and the fanboys drone on about the P43 but these little SPGs take the cake.
I've read your site, great stuff, hope to see more stuff. GJ.
I wish I could find some footage of tank battles in Northern Africa.
Loving this channel, and so happy to see an in-depth look at a very good Italian vehicle. It's pretty impressive what the Italians did considering the limitations and leadership they suffered under.
A very good tank.
Vero ,quando comparve sul teatro africano ,fu una bruttissima sorpresa x gli inglesi.Presentava innovazioni tecniche ,che,se prodotti in numero adeguato ,avrebbero fatto la differenza ad El Alamein ,com e il cannone da 75 con freno di bocca (all' avanguardia x quel periodo )Questo semovente era in grado di aprire come scatolette i carri inglesi già a 800 metri,mentre loro dovevano avvicinarsi a.400.
always liked the look
Most importantly: the Semovente M40 was used by Anzio girls school!
True!
@@Mestari1Gaming on the school ship Aquila, right?
@@QuizmasterLaw Yes.
girls school? how....
Duce Anchovy brought me here but she wasn't mentioned once in this documentary. I'm so disappointed :)
The M3 in service with the British was named Grant, not Lee.
The people feeling offended by the affectionate term "Stughetti" should get their italian ID card stripped.
Not only they are more serious than needed for a fun nickname but they are also missing the entire point of a 30 minutes long video where it's fully described how effective the tanks were despite the shortcomings, also thanks to the skill of their crews.
1:58 Well there's your problem.
It's made of bloody wood.
Think of all the weight it saved for that extra **V E L O C E**
Most mockups are made from wood...
r/whoosh
Cool
In this video You can see One surving and still working : th-cam.com/video/Ol4jHg1H940/w-d-xo.html
Why this vehicle suspension system was absolete? Doesn't like most vehicles of late interwar and early WW2 period used double vertical leaf suspension system or variation of leaf suspension system? Was a Sherman suspension system obsolete?
Sherman did not have leaf springs. Almost all tanks developed after 1940 gave up on the leaf spring suspension.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT Correct me if I'm wrong, but isnt Sherman's suspension basicaly from the same design as this vehicle's suspension system?
Nope. The Sherman uses Volute Springs, which are quite different from leaf springs.
Also, they have 2 wheels/2 springs as opposed to 4 wheels/1 spring.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT I will take a closer look at those two suspension systems and how they are different. It is just from my general observation those two systems struck me as quite similar in nature as all spring, leaf suspensions.
As for a latter point, that is just a minor engineering detail. It is like saying that this tank does not have torsion bar suspension just because it has 1 wheel per side more than normal and that its wheels are quite bigger. It is still a same engineering principle tailored for specific needs. Or otherwise Maus also has some crazy ass new kind of suspension just because it had unusual wheels configuration.
@@TanksEncyclopediaYT "The VVSS was then retained with the development of the M2 medium tank along with
the M3 medium tank that entered production in August 1941. From there, due to its availability and satisfactory performance in earlier models, the VVSS was retained in the design and production of the legendary M4 Sherman medium tank. During extended deployments and combat operations, the VVSS was found to have a relatively short useful life, particularly with the increasing weight of tanks and their heavy weapons as World War II progressed. When the M4A3 Sherman variant was introduced in late 1942, the vertical volute suspension was gradually replaced in some of the production tanks with a horizontal volute suspension system (HVSS). Those M4A3s equipped with the HVSS were designated M4A3E8 and nicknamed “Easy Eight” because of the tank’s relatively smooth ride."
I can't find specifics about this Italian suspension system, but to me it looks like a typical vertical spring based suspension system of its time with all its advantages and limitations.
I'm here because I'm interested in armored vehicles.
I'm proud to say I haven't played a video game in 15 years.
So I'm not here because I saw something in a video game.
If this was inspired by the stug 3, I'm curious why the waffenamt didn't see the value of turning battle recovered panzer 2s and 38ts into stugs? The 7.5cm kwk37 L-24 would be a tight fit and ammunition capacity would be small. How about the captured French 75mm 1897? The wehrmacht modified it into the pak 38/97.
The OKH knew before operation barbarossa that the infantry were vulnerable and needed more infantry support weapons. This solution seems obvious to me. What am I missing?
There was a limited number of PaK 38/97 mounted on captured Russian T-26 chassis. It was a local conversion used on the Eastern Front.
The Wehrmacht doctrine when they invade the Soviet Union were still based on mobile infantry.
By using half-tracked or horses to carrying infantry to the rear if the enemy defenses, it was believed that by not directly fighting enemy main defenses head-on with infantry there was no need for a lot of infantry support vehicle like Stug.
They also believed that by having infantry support vehicle, it would slow down the infantry advance to outflank the enemy and force them to fight an "unnecessary" battle.
These are the reasons why OKW never really focus on infantry support vehicle until very late into the war.
@@Heylanda-fb9xb It all defies logic to me. After the losses of ww1, OKW knew there weren't enough men to fight a war and provide skilled labor for industry for a basic economy let alone a war machine. The After action reports of the invasions of France and Poland showed that infantry losses were unsustainable and more Infantry support weapons were needed.
Paulus was commissioned to report on a logistics analysis of an invasion of Russia. Then he took part in a war game of invading Russia. Both of these accurately predicted the outcome. The front would outpace the supply chain after about 500 kms, and that the soviet Infantry would deplete wehrmacht Infantry reserves before Moscow was reached.
They had all the information. Was nazi zealousy blinding them?
I don't believe they had a chance of winning the war, they simply didn't have the manpower, industry, coal, iron, other strategic metals and most importantly, oil. And couldn't produce enough food for an army and civilian population.
Assembly was restarted.. they were just using up parts already on site
Can I get the seafood marinara with my Stughetti ??? 😀
spaghetti(italian) + STUG= Stughetti. For future referance.
Ever heard about the Wurstug ? Wurstel+Stug? ....Or what about the Fishtug ? Fish&Chip plus Tug?....Or do You prefere the bagtug ? Baguette+Tug?
A me pare proprio un brutto nome.
Can’t you go beyond the cliches
I feel that your video title is appears faintly derogatory. While the Semovente carried a gun which was even shorter than the early StuG III and had riveted construction it was a far better AFV than the other Italian vehicles.
Saw a photo of one of these with a broad white stripe painted horizontally on the casemate. Were these captured units the Allies put to use?
Most interesting
I vostri carri?, porridge …. Tank😂.
good soldiers , to bad the same couldent be said of their politicans, a german joke at the time outlines it well it was somthing like this, the italiens only managed to end 1 war on the same side they started on ,,,that was when they changed sides twice..
120mm penetration at any range must be a mistake.
*en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-explosive_anti-tank#:~:text=In%20general%2C%20very%20early%20HEAT,used%20during%20World%20War%20II.&text=Some%20modern%20examples%20claim%20numbers%20as%20high%20as%20700%25**.*
"In general, very early HEAT rounds could expect to penetrate armor of 150% to 250% of their diameters, and these numbers were typical of early weapons used during World War II."
If it was a panzerfaust like round velocity wouldn't matter. Any range means range of gun.
nope, HEAT shells do no care about distance, due to them not relying on kinetic velocity for penetration, a HEAT shell would not change it's effectiveness even if you didn't fire it, but just placed it against the target and detonated it, due to it using a chemical reaction to penetrate armour
Basta pasta!
29:00
W Stalin
L Mussolini
.....and the correct pronunciation is " Règio Esèrcito" ....not "Regìo Esercìto"!
Awww. A depressed Dalek 😂😂😂
they were surrounded and still fighting... probably exploding one after another... man....
yes good soldiers , to bad the same couldent be said of their politicans, a german joke at the time outlines it well it was somthing like this, the italiens only managed to end 1 war on the same side they started on ,,,that was when they changed sides twice..
@@kurtmogensen4815 Politicians in the Great War allowed Italy not to get dragged in a war of aggression by Germany, because the pact was defensive. They also enabled the completion of the Italian independence from Austria.
WW2 is a totally different thing, but thankfully Italians, unlike the Germans, had powerful partisan movements and fought for their freedom, instead of dying for a dictator enslaving them until the end.
@@gs7828 Mussolini didn't enslave anyone, didn't even have those who attempted to his life executed, the partisans were a bunch of internationalist communists hell bent on bringing troubles into the country, and at the end of the day, albeit unintentionally, they only fought to get us under the thumb of the US. Not much to be proud about.
Not one unit was up to the strength of the to&e, and makes no sense to produce 60 some odd vehicles wth the knowledge your design is easily broken by the opposition. Details matter not the vehicles were poor compared to those opposing this platform.
I've found the terms "stughetti" and "pasta stugs" very offensive...call these tanks with their correct name "Semovente 75/18" and pay respect to the eroic soldiers of the Divisione Ariete that fought at El Alamein and never surrended to overwhelming enemy forces .
As an Italian, I will use the name StuGhetti because it's funny.
@@lolloblue9646 Of you are Italian, I invite you to read the interesting book "Batterie semoventi alzo zero" (ed. Mursia)…and then you'll never find so "funny" that absurd "nickname" you like so much. Good evening.
👌
An Italian Stug pretty much.
So a Stug but Worse.
its a Stughetti
@@blasekiller9733 joke as much You want about the name , the reality Is that with the shit You eat daily at home , the spaghetti would be a dream even if served without souce . You excelled at war but with in the kitchen yours One Is a real third world .
Oh look. A racism.
@@jamestheotherone742 wtf ???