PATHFINDER: WOTR - How to DEBUFF for MAX DC: Even Demon Lords - UNFAIR Viable!

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  • @cRPGBro
    @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @GoldenEntropy
    @GoldenEntropy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you want the most powerful Debuffer go lich path. Use eyes if the bodak before the fight and start with a corrupt magic. With one of the lich features you can ignore immunity on spells so you still drain levels on creatures immune to it so enervation still works
    I've taken AC 70 monsters to like 35 in a single turn. Make sure to also take dispel synergy and disruptive dispel. The build basically makes it to where the more buffs a monster starts with the weaker they actually are.

  • @LifeforDreamable
    @LifeforDreamable 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Great breakdown!
    What i think is missing is the honorable mention of lich's Corrupt Magic level 9 spell that not only dispells all buffs but also debuffs ac, attack rolls and saves by 1 for each spell removed.

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Thank you, and you are correct!
      Lich's Corrupt Magic is a very powerful dispel effect, I think I forgot to mention it because it is specific to a Mythic Path and I wanted to keep it for more general abilities that any Mythic might have access to.

  • @Fricknut
    @Fricknut 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Super late to the party, but Ive recently started playing again. To make a note about Evil Eye and the Witch Shaman stacking. Shaman Hexes and Witch hexes will stack, but multiple shaman or witch hexes will not stack. So if you had 3 witches you would only be able to apply 1 evil eye. But this stacking applies for most buffs, so you can get 2 protective lucks so enemies need to make 3 attack rolls and take the worst result. Or getting 2 fortune buffs to make 3 rolls and take the best result.

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep, they can stack so long as from a different class source.
      So both Cam and Ember can drop their Evil Eyes or Protective Luck, which is quite powerful, if not downright cheesy 😁

  • @SlanderedGaming
    @SlanderedGaming 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is a really nice breakdown. Great job!

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Glad you liked it!

  • @KKKuma
    @KKKuma 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    You changed from 1 round boss into 1 shot boss.
    Nenio naturally has the weird and phantasm killer and usually she alone is enough for that so I always have her in the team (and she make scroll as too). I don't really understand why there is the phantasm killer in the game as it is one of the spell that can instantly defeat the target and at kind of early level with decent DC even without buff and stuff.
    But I am happy to use it regardless

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yep, Instant Death spells have always been a stable of D&D and Pathfinder.
      Instant Killing is always fun, although I still need a few actions to debuff the bosses with other characters.
      One of the things I really like about cRPGs is that bosses don't tend to be immune to most status ailments in these games (although they require a lot of save debuffing & proper setup as to get decent chances of hitting them with it).

    • @KKKuma
      @KKKuma 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro I just go back and read the lich lvl 10 spell which also can instant kill with the base DC of 46. Basically what phantasm killer does but that spell come out at much lower level. And with the amount debuff you can get on the enemy both can kill the target. I think it is way fitting for a super high level spell to get the instant kill effects. But can you kill the final boss with these spell or is she (and her illusion) immune to the effect of lich death spell and weird

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@KKKuma Lich does get an ultimate instant death spell, but it also comes kinda late.
      I believe it should bypass immunity to death effects as well, but remember you can use the Grandmaster's Rod to utterly bypass some enemy immunities, it does even work against Nocticula with Weird/Phantasmal Killer despite her being immune to Fear, for example!
      Final boss can also be dispelled and Lich has an easy time doing it with Corrupt Magic that also adds adds a debuff to saving throws!

    • @gianghuynh9570
      @gianghuynh9570 ปีที่แล้ว

      Make sense from lore perspective, demons are born from mortal souls and embodies the negative emotions, so they would be susceptible to fears, and thus we can scare a demon lord to death :)

  • @toggle3927
    @toggle3927 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wait you can Madness the enemy? Oh boy the possibilities, that's actually hilariously op for Nenio.
    Regarding Evil Eye stacking coming from Warhammer2, waiting for Warhammer3 I don't really consider it a bug, as the same effects like regeneration or same spells if overcast stack because they're a different spell even if they're named the same. I can see your point of view though.

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh yes, Visions of Madness on enemies was truly a revelation for me as well!
      It's such a crazy powerful ability, not only for buffing but ALSO debuffing.
      Best part is the effect doesn't even have a save when used against enemies, only a melee touch + SR check.

  • @pharaun159
    @pharaun159 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dont forget that weapons with static effects work even if you are not swinging them. Rod of compliance for example buff your dc as well. There us a fire rod that buffs attack rolls and dc for evocation, that also surprisingly buffs all attack rolls

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for this tip!
      I actually forgot about these.

    • @pharaun159
      @pharaun159 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro lol there is alot to this game. I only remembered because its fresh in my mind right now. I respecced arueshalae into a best tamer bard the also specializes in enchanting. Her stars are perfect for it, though i drop the int and put it into stuff more useful. She has like +7 cha modifier without gear. Summon numerous animals and activate beast song. Round two haste party. Round three persistent hideous laughter

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@pharaun159 Sounds very fun!
      I have heard of others who respecced her into a Bard as well because of the high CHA.
      I still have to do a Summoner focused run, saving it for my Aeon run!

  • @alexithyme3511
    @alexithyme3511 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Love your stuff especially since it is current, not stuff about the beta, and useful information for the game.
    I would like to suggest a video on how to remove status effects from your party, such as icy prison because I have no idea how to deal with such things. Cheers and happy holidays

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thank you for the comment & support. I did indeed notice there's a alot of not up to date beta content still as most viewed Wrath videos, probably because they're also the oldest ones.
      And thats for the suggestion as well, I might also do a video on that.
      For Icy Prison, you can negate the damage/round with Resist Cold Communal, and as for the slowdown effect, simply cast Freedom of Movement.
      It is a spell with quite high DC though because it's based on a STR/Athletics check to remove even.

  • @SomeOne-rj3bh
    @SomeOne-rj3bh ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for all your hard work making these vids

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  ปีที่แล้ว

      And thank you for the comment, really appreciate it!

  • @fzoulcmbyl2134
    @fzoulcmbyl2134 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Merry Christmas, have a great day and a great weekend cRPG. 🎄

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you and I wish you the same!
      Merry Christmas to you too, friend! 😀

  • @mattik1924
    @mattik1924 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When i was Testing evil eye stacking it only worked when combining 1 shaman hex version with 1 witch hex version, but not when trying to stack multiple witch or shaman mercs

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you for the clarification.
      I still don't think it makes much sense that you can the same ability/spell just because it comes from a different class, but I could be wrong and it's intended by the devs. Regardless, I show that you can still make do with just one Evil Eye effect.

    • @mattik1924
      @mattik1924 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro 100% agreed that this does not feels like an intentional design decision, like SOOO MANY other "interesting synergies".. in this game :D ... and nice channel you have here.. infos are well structured and informative

  • @leevothas
    @leevothas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    I don't know, if you count dispell as a debuf, but several mythic paths that are strong at it. An aeon could do magic about it like Melazmera's 96AC could turn to 62 AC and flat-footed in a couple of hits.

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      You are correct, looking back I think I could have talked about Greater Dispel in the Spell Section of the guide as well.
      Some bosses do gain a lot of + saving throws or immunities to crowd control effects because of their prebuffing, that you can indeed remove with Greater Dispel especially if merged Lich/Angel or Azata with Aivu and Aeon unique dispel mythic spel, even.

    • @pappy374
      @pappy374 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Aivu is fantastic at dispelling due to her very high level.

  • @eddiebulls7851
    @eddiebulls7851 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Most excellent, as always. Well frakin' done!

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks, mate!
      Always nice to hear from you.

    • @eddiebulls7851
      @eddiebulls7851 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro And again, thank you for your continued efforts to help us become better players, strategists, buffers, battle preparers, etc., cRPG. Still would love to see a breakdown for the Areelu Vorlesh end game fight like you have done and shown for Deskari, but yeah, your work is holy, holy good stuff.

  • @MrUmsche
    @MrUmsche 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    do you remember where you got the display of power belt ? I just finished act 4 and don't have it

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi there, I believe you can actually find two copies: one should be from one of the Chapter 4 merchants in the Fleshmarkets, Wirlong Black Mask I think.
      The other drops from one of the areas, also in Chapter 4. Apologies as I can't quite remember where the second one is!

    • @MrUmsche
      @MrUmsche 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro Oh, I killed that guy a long time ago, I guess I'll have to do without the belt, thanks for the answer !

  • @neiljopling4693
    @neiljopling4693 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Incense Synthesizer Unsettling Fog can Dubuffet will by up to -6 with no save.

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the tip!
      I often forget about Incense Synthesizer but it's certainly very unique when it comes to some stacking buffs & debuffs that no other class can give.
      I think I'll do a guide on it!

    • @anomanomom239
      @anomanomom239 ปีที่แล้ว

      -8 actually cause of alchemical sickness that stacks with everything.
      The problem with it is limited time on the debuff. Makes it only useful when trying to spook enemies to death that are not mind immune. Otherwise you are wasting too much resources for a single fight.
      Hence why I prefer Court Poet for a caster buffer slot. Weaker instantaneous value, but much more efficient due to lingering performance and flexible due to boosting every type of spell.

  • @Kohcta
    @Kohcta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    aeon also can fight Mephistopheles for the robe

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the tip.
      I always forget Mephistopheles can also be fought as an enemy in the Aeon path!

  • @pappy374
    @pappy374 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    How do you stop companions instantly dropping dead at the end of combat with Life-Bonding Friendship?

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The build I choose for Life Bonding in particular is a very high CHA Azata Sorcerer that I talk about here:
      th-cam.com/video/8SHmmo1yMOI/w-d-xo.html
      Because of the extreme CHA modifier, we can always keep companions alive for a long time/a lot of hits since that's a lot of hits they can take before falling down in the Life Bonding state.
      Personally I still prefer Last Stand on companions, though. As I only pick Life Bonding very late because Zippy Magic & Favorable Magic are very good.

    • @pappy374
      @pappy374 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro I think that my game may be bugged then, as at the end of combat, even if they have taken 1 hit, they simply drop down dead. Thanks for taking the time; you are a bro.

  • @AerinSwift
    @AerinSwift 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Doggo!

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      One of my favorite ways of humiliating bosses on Unfair no doubt!
      Plus it's really amusing turning Deskari into Ember's own personal pet Leopard servant.
      The way it is, Deskari would have permanently become her cute pet, but in the actual battle, after you defeat the swarm enemies, Deskari shifts back and the game plays the cutscene as if he had been defeated, probably not to break the game sequence, but still very fun!

    • @AerinSwift
      @AerinSwift 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro looks like new lore canon

  • @jmcc2k10
    @jmcc2k10 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    cRPG when I cast evil eye on any hard enemy it never lands they always seem to get a saving throw against it. I use ember and have spell penetration, what am I missing.
    Great video as always mate.

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hi there, Evil Eye actually does have a save - but all that does is reduce duration to 1 round.
      Note that the enemy will STILL get hit with the Evil Eye debuff even if they save against it, for 1 round.
      So they still get -4 to saves for 1 round which is what we are after.
      And then you can extend this 1 round duration by using a move action via Cackle for Ember or Chant for Camellia - so it keeps extending by another round.
      And thank you for the comment & support ,mate!
      Hope I managed to properly explain it to you, if not feel free to ask again.

    • @jmcc2k10
      @jmcc2k10 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro Ah thats great i thought if they saved then it didnt land thats very good to know thanks for the tips mate and you are a great guy for answering everyone's questions its very good of you to take the time to do so. Hopefully one day i will be as good as you (doubt it lol)
      P.S i cant find the gloves for ember, i have been to scar and have perception 26 but i cant find the gloves which is a bummer as they really help to beef her up it seems. I dont know why i cant find them

  • @JoseRoberto-ec8nj
    @JoseRoberto-ec8nj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Just a FYI aeon can get the robes of mephistopheles too

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you!
      I often forget both Aeon & Azata get to fight him, as I've yet to do Aeon Path myself.

  • @squeekcheesetaker6593
    @squeekcheesetaker6593 ปีที่แล้ว

    How is touch of madness good on the higher difficulties with no spell penetration feats on sosiel? I'm basically never overcoming spell resistance every time I use this skill (even on my allies). How is it supposed to be good? Am I missing something?

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yep, it should definitely work with all sorts of melee attacks for a nice and healthy distance between yourself and the enemy!
      Monk Wise, I'd say the true real boost to power, just like for most builds, happens after you truly enter your Mythic at Chapter 3, especially at Mythic 4.

    • @squeekcheesetaker6593
      @squeekcheesetaker6593 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro hmm I think your comment may have been to the wrong person! I was asking about how to get touch of madness to overcome spell resistance consistently, nothing about monks!

  • @abelreyes4960
    @abelreyes4960 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hello, cRPG BRo. I can't use Visions of madness 'cause I dont' have a cleric in my party, which is..."MC, Camelia, Lann, Nenio, Ember, Seelah and the pets". Is there a way to replace it?

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Sadly, Visions of Madness is Cleric/Inqusitor only and quite a massive debuff to the enemy saves.
      You can get it as Trickster MC through Religion 2 Trick, however.
      Stacking the other debuffs should also help, I'd say Visions is only something that's truly necessary on Unfair.

  • @richardforde1
    @richardforde1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Kind of almost a personal question, are you in for just the pathfinder stuff? All your videos are wrath of the righteous with one video on fire in BG2. I found myself doing my yearly run of tyranny (such an under appreciated game) and thinking how would my man on youtube build these goons. Old and New Planescape upcoming

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I'm in for all the RPGs I like, hah.
      Speaking about Tyranny, this is actually something always on my mind.
      I have played tons of cRPGs through the years, Tyranny included which I did last year and really enjoyed the magic system, and did a mostly full mage party on the highest diffculty.
      Unfortunately, I only started recording and making videos about them with Pathfinder: WotR.
      I look back and think how good it would have been if I had already recorded back then, as I'll have to play these very long games again (lost many of my saves from changing to SSD) if I want to make videos about them, and also learn some of their unique mechanics once more as well.
      But hey, at least they are very fun games!

    • @richardforde1
      @richardforde1 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@cRPGBro The way Tryanny gets on new game+ with the higher difficulties is you have to have all casters.
      You're right the spell system is great though. I really liked it for the story/world. I always love a hero against evil but tyranny is just very different to that
      On the plus side if you ever go back Tyranny is actually short as these games go. Much shorter than either pathfinder game

  • @JohnDoe-il4dz
    @JohnDoe-il4dz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    In the game: picking school focus, improved school focus etc. to increase spell DC by +1 here, +1 there.
    TH-cam video: spell DC 52.
    WTF.

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      All the gear bonuses really add up!
      Some of the Mythics also have their own enhancers, Azata gets around +4 to spell DC, Demon gets a ton from Rage with certain Aspects for example.

  • @PopRockInstumental
    @PopRockInstumental 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Does it mean this game favor Real-time more than turn based?
    Since you can stack 1 round debuff (hampering hex or evil eye) simultaneously and have whole party benefit from it.
    While in turn based the effect last only 1 round and the effect end on turn of the enemy, meaning if your debuffer act just before enemy you target
    you don't get any benefit at all!

    • @ajstickels51
      @ajstickels51 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      On turn based you have to make sure you play with delaying your turns to line these up right, but as long as you do that well it works fine.

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Turn Based will require you do delay turns if you want to do it all in one round, but I suppose it is a matter of taste.
      I think both can offer advantages or disadvantages depending on your gameplay tastes.
      Real time can be a lot faster and easier to attack/generate Attacks of Opportunity for example because you can move a lot more while still retaining the ability to Full Attack for all your attacks.
      Turn Based can be great for casting AoEs and keeping enemies together in place before they move all over and such.

  • @Antonin1738
    @Antonin1738 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So many enemy immunities though T_T
    Also, my problem isn't late game, it's early-game and mid game. Late game my character + companions are OP with mythic abilities and feats
    It's better to just hellfire ray everything at late game xD

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      As for the enemy immunities, the Grandmaster's Rod can let you bypass a lot of them such as Fear in the case of Nocticula.
      Early game debuffing can indeed be annoying on Unfair, but at the very least the enemies don't tend to have THAT high saving throws then.
      Evil Eye at the very least works as soon as level 1, thankfully. And Visions of Madness can be gained relatively "early" at around level 7-8, but at lower effect that will scale with your levels.
      Enervation is also great in that it doesn't offer a save and is also available as soon as level 7.
      You are correct that rushing the enemy with high damage spells or just melee attacks when prebuffed requires a lot less micro!

  • @ticktock8230
    @ticktock8230 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Your potrait is an elf but you your character is human :/ I still liked your video but that really bothered me for some reason lmao

    • @cRPGBro
      @cRPGBro  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      That's just the default male Azata portrait 😀
      When we change into Azata, we gain butterflies around us and eventually Butterfly Wings, but our ears stay the same, despite the fact both the male and female official Azata portraits have elven like pointy ears.

    • @tonynittoli4792
      @tonynittoli4792 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      My human bard has no good portraits. My first play through I used the elf portrait with the instruments in the background. Didn’t even make it to defenders heart before I deleted because I couldn’t help but keep looking at knowing it didn’t fit. I get where your coming from.