When ssj4 is introduced, it really should follow the path Broly set and be totally unique to each sayain utilizing the form. Ssj4 takes a sayian's body to its biological peak. It's supposed to be every ounce of genetic potential brought to the surface, allowing them to adapt to any damage taken, fight with stamina built for war, and in the case of Goku's eyes after Eis shenron even a mild healing factor. I don't just want to see forms stacked on top of eachother (at least not right away), I want it to be a potential form that functions a little differently depending on who's using it and perhaps as such it might not be right for them.
Me personally would love to see ssj4 again but there is a chance it will be a brand new super saiyan form that will be introduced so u cant rule out that possibility
@@MajinBird I say daima takes place in the Xenoverse/heros universe and not part of the main dragon ball story. also nothing about SSJ4 prevents it from working with god ki, UI or UE. Universal Studios japan even includes a SSJ4 blue broly in one of it's attractions. so I have no doubt toei considers it a legit combo. the same can be said for toyotaro who has made fan art for the concept in the past.
@@psionx1 yeah I assume it wouldn't be impossible to stack any mortal form on top of god ki, but I think it would make more sense to limit them to mortal ki as children.
Long as "Dragon Ball Daima" is more Martial Arts oriented (just like OG Dragon Ball) and doesn't abuse too much Ki Blast Spam most of the time like in DBGT (leave that only as Vegeta's Technique ™️).
I personally would love to see ss4 again unlike some people that are haters of dbgt when really they should be haten the writers that made dbs anime so hit and miss so yeah dbgt did better than dbs overall
This strict adherence of trying to fit everything into the 10 year gap is a detriment. Just explicitly make out it’s its own continuity starting from the end of Z. It doesn’t have to follow into super. This way they can be their own branches. They’re free to explore story lines without restrictions and making what’s already pointlessly contrived even more so
Honestly this is pretty genius, people that maybe dont like super or GT can enjoy the “Daima” continuity, making it its own thing after the end of the buu saga and all that would be perfect and not convoluted
If they did ssj4 in daima it would most likely be due to them losing their godki abilities bc of their physical differences, but if they do it like this, i feel that its gonna be like ssg, basically its gonna be used for only this situation then they'll ditch it, barely be used again if at all bc of their stronger forms becoming usable after the conflict. I dont was ssj4 to end up like ssg, one major use then discarded/replaced
Tbh I always felt like the best way to add a new form even with Ui being around is if they made it with a unique enemy in mind where Ui wouldn't work on due to how the bad guy is. Maybe the bad guy uses magic and illusions that Ui cannot overcome, granted he's strong enough but "all the strength in the world wouldn't help if I can't hit the guy". Maybe the new villian does something to prevent goku remaining calm and because of that, he cannot let his body move on it's own. Meaning he'd need a form that taps into his rage more. Not the best examples but you get when I'm on about. Instead of having the newest form be the best version of everything, making different transformations be different tools in goku's belt for situations would be better as there would be more reason for him to not go full power. A smart villian cannot be overpowered so easily and might even use said power as a means to be stronger themselves. Like 73 moro and his copy ability.
I think it's safe to say that we might see some lore about how the Saiyan's are from the Demon realm since if you think of it the Great Ape Oozaru form brings a pointed ear form for them when we see someone turn into the said form the Oozaru form might end up being a demon like type of evolution for the Saiyan transformations.
one thing they could do with SSJ4 is have it not have the energy drain that way it could be used in place of base form but be stronger cos he'd still be able to dodge and stuff like he can in super
I think that Akira Toryamas fixation with making Goku a kid again in all his reboot series is a mix of his obsession with Journey to the West and his nostalgia of being a young animator just starting out making his first manga series Dr. Slump and Dragonball. I get that the 80's were cool (especially in Japan) but man this show just feels like GT but with a touch of Tiny Toons. Obviously Toryama yearned for the old days until his death. When the anime's released he lost more and more creative control over the characters he loved as executives and fans needed to be appeased for his franchise to succeed, thus it gave him a negative association with the later series like DBZ, GT and Super. I feel like in his later years Toryama caught the George Lucas syndrome and started to hate the fans who continually misunderstood his vision and work. But instead of selling out, he left us with something of his own creation one last time as a love letter to his true fans and at the same time, a middle finger to those who always complained and criticized his work. Either way, I plan to watch Diama. Ill still enjoy it wether its good or bad knowing it was the big mans last hurrah.
I think it’d be cool to explore more of the oozaru roots, since that’s been absent for a very long time now, but was once a defining feature of the race. Combining SSJ 4 w/ UI should result in something that’s most powerful and I’d celebrate it
I really doubt that they give a canon version of the SSJ 4 to Goku and Vegeta, it would be pushing aside the divine forms, but in the case they add it I hope they fix the base design.
@@MajinBirdIt's not common knowledge since Manga isn't always colored, but the color of Shin and Kibito's potara earrings have always been green in the manga. Z Anime and other subsequent media incorrectly color the potara of other official Supreme Kaioshins. Daima changing Shin and Kibito's potara back to green could be them correcting this issue, rather than a significant change of Shin and Kibito's status. Zamasu getting a hold of the Green Potara in Super made him a Supreme Kai rather than just a regular Kai, such as King Kai, like he was before.
i want ssj4 canon with good storyline. dragonball universe has so much potential for lore. they need to really explore the great ape concept for the saiyans.
None of this will happen in Daima. The only thing it has in correlation to GT is Goku being turned back into a kid again and nothing else. The reason SSJ4 is put on the back burner is due to how poorly it was received in Japan. I personally learned to what extent it was greatly disliked when I lived there for 2 1/2yrs, discussing it the friends I made over there. The best comparison I can make to its dismay is the Nintendo Wii U, if you’re a gamer or even if you just simply google it, you’ll understand. If you know anything about Japanese business culture, they tend to steer clear reminders of their failures as best they can, hence why anything SSJ4 related is only seen in Heroes content. Lastly SSJ4 is completely based off filler and NOTHING that was in the manga. The episode of Vegeta “explaining” what the LSSJ was is purely and solely based off filler. That very scene, of Vegeta monologuing about it, is NOWHERE in any of the manga panels. So in essence SSJ4’s entire concept isn’t based off of anything from the canonical manga telling. Even Kai, which closely follows what is only depicted in the manga, completely cuts out that entire scene from the series. So fans really need to stop with these head cannon high hopes of Daima having something to do with SSJ4. Daima is going to stay true to all that Toriyama left and intended for it to be. Shuiesha will not deviate from that as this is how they will honor his memory and legacy being one of the very last things he worked on.
I Would like this show and i would not like it if it had super saiyan 4 since then people would keep saying super saiyan 4 is stronger than the god forms and even ultra instinct
@@BeerusMurderer yes, yes- it happened in a toei animation which is the best we have to go off. All else is speculation. Just cuz you’re biased towards the lame re colored god forms doesn’t make it true. I am biased, but still realize that ultra instinct is stronger than ss4 at least in terms of combat effectiveness according to Toei animation. Probably will get ss4 canon and it’ll be way stronger than original ss4 on top of that.
@@Scrubbletontheliger Well 1 No and 2 what Animation was this and plus we all know super saiyan 4 is a 4000 times multiplier so your saying super saiyan god AND Blue are less than that? Your smoking somethin bud
@@Scrubbletontheliger It never happened in a toei animation plus which is it and we all know super saiyan 4 is a 4000 times multiplier and your saying super saiyan god AND BLUE are worse multipliers? yeah no gimme that pot your smokin bud
For what I've been seeing, there won't be emphasis on transformations, but regular stuff with low power levels, and that's why they're all brought back to kids, to all be able to compare, Master Roshi, Goku, Vegeta, Krilin, Trunks, Goten, apparently maybe Gohan too, but not sure about that yet, so, all of the kids are kids and the adults and very old adults are kids as well... Lets see. And I really hope they move away from continuous transformations. I watch DB since the first or second episode, when it aired in the 90s in Portugal, it was never meant to about transformations...
I think fans forget toriyama has more of a hand in this project which already makes it stand out from super and GT. Also super has a lot of problems fans don’t wanna admit and the overly childish nature of goku in super isn’t even appealing I think we can trust toriyama decision on this one I don’t think toriyama was all that happy with how super turned out
It.. it's way more simple than that. Golden Oozaru is just... a Saiyan who has achieved Super Saiyan transforming into an Oozaru. SSJ4 is the result of maintaining full control while a Golden Oozaru. Nothing to do with love or anything else.
I really hope there are no transformations at all. I don’t like that they have to rely on multiple transformations to even stand a chance against their opponents. Daima is the perfect chance to just keep Goku in his base form.
Just an Fyi, after the ressurection F arc during Super, Toriyama said in a interview... (someone asked how he views GT now with super taking its place) that GT is more or less a different timeline... although I feel like me may have said that because of DB Heroes (which is makes sense when you watch it), but it just means that anything is possible, specially since a fanservice guy is now taking over Dragon Ball. Rip toriyama though :c
Dana is after super this stuff is self explaining with the way they releasing it plus Tori said he was dropping this before he got back to super so it’s obvi that it’s after super or technically in between
Goku being wished back into a child undo's his operation to permanently remove his tail. So I hope Primal Saiyan (SSJ4) is what happens next. Btw I really hope they give it the proper name it deserves (Primal Saiyan) because it's not a SSJ form it should not be SSJ4.
The best way to introduce Super Saiyan 4 without conflicting with the God branch of Transformations, if Daima does take place after Super, is actually pretty simple. All of the characters are being reverted to children, and a childs body will have nowhere near the same level of strength as an adults, even a Saiyan. All they have to do is explain that because they are children their bodies are not properly matured/strong enough to handle the power of the God transformations and techniques, even if they do still know how to use the powers they wouldnt be able to muster the energy to do so, simply because they arent strong enough to. We might not even see any Super Saiyan transformations right away, based on what little we have seen of Daima, Goku is certainly returning to his roots from the original Dragon Ball, relying on martial arts and his Nyoibo, which honestly seeing him wield a staff is always amusing. One of my favorite parts of GT was when Goku went to hell during the Super 17 arc and proceeded to absolutely style on Freeza and Cell with a staff and flying around on an Destructo Disk like it was Kintoun
The showing of the “Golden Ape” is misleading, because we are shown a star behind them giving off an orange and yellowish light which the great ape is bathing in, with the shadows made in front of it and while it might be a golden oozaru i just think its just the coloring placed on the silhouette from the sun behind it
i feel like that if they are gonna do ssj4 then they are gonna say that goku and vegeta can't tap into god ki because they have a child's body and it cannot handle it so it forces them to use their primal instincts
i will guess that when everybody is in that kid form the access to ssj4 may have high chance than goku tapping in ssj god form or ssjb because they are still kid the ki needed is to be an adult
I doubt Daima is after Super because 1. there would have to be a massive narrative severing from the Super cast, and 2. Pan was born during Super and is four by End of Z, giving a disgustingly short timeframe between an established end point and an ongoing manga series. Which is good for sanity but rough for Daima because they won't have any flashy new transformations to drive PR like Dragon Ball has been doing, at least none that have any staying power in the franchise's run since Battle of Gods goes from SSJ3 to SSG. The only way to get around that is to make it happen after End of Z, but that still gets caught in the traps of having to address where Uub is and again, cutting off from Super's plot.
Since it doesn't seem to be common knowledge in the fandom, I want to clarify Majin Bird, that Supreme Kai and Kibito's Potara earrings were originally Green from the start in the colored manga, when Kibito had blue skin, and Shin had darker purple skin. Unaware of the significance of the color and it makes a Kai a Supreme Kai. (Like how Zamasu used Gowasu's green potara to access the Time Rings) The Z anime and subsequent media incorrectly changed the color of Potara earrings to yellow, it's possible that they are correcting this mistake in Daima, and will act like Shin & Kibito's Potara earrings have always been green, or they may address it in universe somehow.
i think they could do ssj4 if goku is a kid with a tail again it could be with his experience an being a kid again he could transform from seeing the moon but then take control of the form resulting in ssj4 an after that he could figure out how to use it with ui making another transformation making that ssj4 with white hair
Broly and maybe Gohan are the only candidates for SSJ4, their power is already rooted in primal instinct, especially Broly, the rest of the Saiyans have started down god ki paths or no path at all I would love to see Broly get it, it feels the most fitting
Super saiyan 4 should be their new base form once their saiyan potential resches its peak their bodies could natural change since they have black hair but god ki shown through the red fur a true saiyan god
im wondering if this man has watched past the buu saga, in super its not stated but shown and half explained by zamasu and gowasu that yellow is basically training kai and green is a full fledged kai, universe 7 supreme kai's were all killed by buu, and elder kai was sealed by beerus, meaning our current supreme kai probably was never able to finish or start his kai training to become a full kai, which is why he was so weak compared to the kai of the past, in diama if it is set after super, he may have just finished his training.
Well that’s more what I was trying to say. Since he has green earrings it would be after super. Though I missed the specific detail they did seem different and I was pointing it out Thanks for that bit of information though 💯
@@MajinBird okay sweet, just making sure, cause that detail with black giving the green earing to zamasu is often overlooked so im happy to see someone noticed it
@@MajinBird not only that, but think about ssg and how it takes less stamina to transform than ssb, ,ssj4 could be similar in that it closes the gap between ssj3 and ssg without passing into the domains of the god, plus the whole peak of biology effect it has making him grow into his peak physical health and body, then ssj4 gogeta could be just under ssb. jiren proved mortals could be as strong as a god without god ki
Heres a theory... They achieve SSJ4... and then.... Push to SSJ5!!!🤯 Which is like SSJ4 with SSJ3 hair and Ultra Instict Color!!! Like in the Fan made Version of Goku done years ago... Basically SSJ5 = SSJ4 + Ultra Instinct!🤯🤯🤯🤯😅
If It's In Daima all... I'ma say Is a young Goku going back to travel because of the Dragon balls would make..... hecccckkkaaa sense... Goku like.. I ain't ready to give this... life up, yet.. 😂🤌
hear me out. What if it's not before or after Super, but in a diffrent Canon? Me and Friends have generally talked every now and then, that Dragonball GT and Super just are Alternate Realities, and what if Daima is just like that? i mean we saw no God related stuff beyond the Supreme kais, which could mean that they don't exist in this canon. For a comparison, think of it like the Zelda Timeline, just instead of a Split through actions , we make all three Timelines What ifs.
Ssj4 goku is my favorite form and I don’t want it to be introduce on daima. Because the timeline is before super then that form will look weak. The debate what form is stronger will end. For me ssj4 form is the strongest.
I don't really think super sayain 4 will be able to pop up on dragon ball daima, at least for Goku and Vegeta. I think it can be incorporated into super through broly as a medium saying that he had chosen a different route to power by using super sayain 4 because if u think about it, it has been heavily emphasized about how broly's path to getting stronger dwells within his raw sayain power
My main problem isn’t even him turning back into a kid again, it’s his dub voice actor and his loss of chubiness. His skinny appearance just feels off in comparison to what he used to look like in the OG dragonball. Not too big of a deal but makes me a lil disappointed. Cause when he was young he was litterally the strongest person alive on earth, but still had a chubby anime body. Just a cute design I miss. And then the VA for dubbing, I really loved Steph’s voice. I pray she can come back but high chance she won’t be.
I have a theory what if Diama goku gose ssj4 and then after ssj5 so what if toritaro sorry if I didn’t spell it right but what if he makes his famous manga cannon but yeah
I don’t think SSJ4 will be part of Daima. The form itself is fine but I do find it a little overrated in the community. I do find it pointless to add because of your point about how it plays with the God forms. Maybe it can be combined with God Ki to make the form even better. Possibly SSJG so it can get that iconic red hair it had as a fusion except it’s SSJ4 combined with SSJG. But then again that ps strange with ultra instinct being a thing and how Goku can combine SSJG with UI GT is my least favorite series for dragon ball but I still like it overall. It gets boring at times and I don’t like multiple plot points.
All of the transformations are in a SET order. DBZ introduced SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3, Dragonball GT(an alternate timeline) introduced SSJ4, and DB Super introduced SSG, SSG Blue, LSSJ, UI, Ultra Ego, and Beast Gohan. It should be in that order. If DB Super's transformations are canon, why can't SSJ4 be?
Ss4 is def possible and I wouldn’t be surprised seeing how they could use it to be a final form and ig they can include the meaningless God Ki with the form.
As a fan of GT I don't like the recycled use of a concept taken from the show but whatever. I think that if they will introduce SSJ4 it will have a new design, who would look more like an ancient Monkey person rather than this cool design. However there is something I want to correct you on- You said GT is a continuation of the anime, it is a continuation of the movies timeline therefore it is canon only for the movies timeline (for people who gives a F about canon. I know I don't. Nothing wrong from enjoying a filler episode/movie/show).
Ask 4 should remain non canon along side where it was born, GT. If the form returns it would honestly need to be weaker than super sayan god in my opinion, but that is just an opinion. And I’m not a fan of how ssj 4 was easier to hold compared to ssj 3. I also have that same opinion about ssj god. The fact that those forms are stronger than 3 should mean that they require more to maintain than ssj 3 and yes I was a little disappointed in the lack of ssj 3’s use throughout the anime. The franchise already rewrote broly’s story for the new movie so I would not put it past them to do this with 4. But I will say the new broly is way better than the old.
I mean narratively I feel yall so scared of Ssg and SSb that yall forget it’s just base and super saiyan with god ki added technically he could’ve went ssGss 3 if he trained for that but stamina a natural evolution would be SSJ4 and eventually god or blue will be thrown on top of it especially with broly being canon besties with goku and vegeta he acts on his primal form of ikari so narratively vegeta would understand it more than goku being its in correlation with great ape like a mix between ultimate saiyan forms and god forms
I was disappointed because i wanted to see where Goku and the z fighters go after super. I was hoping to finally get a continuation after all these years of waiting. However as long as this story is good i can maybe be satisfied (don't really have much faith in toei though)
Actually I. The GT series goku left earth with pan and trunks on a mission to get the dragon balls and when they came back super baby took control of the planet what if some thing similar could happen in Diama the quite you said earlier spike my interest 4:09
I hope they bring ss4 back. Personally I believe it the best from. It's the only form that has a back story that dive into there sayian Heritage. It far better the ss1 2 and 3 in all aspects. super sayian red, violet, blue, and ultra Instinct honestly lack creativity. They just changed the character hair. Took me years to watch super because of the lack of creativity
Personally i think we will never get something called ssj4. The original transformation was already not a ssj to be fair. It was the same concept of ssjb, one transformation stacked atop of another, in case ssj stacked on Oozaru, it was'nt a evolution of ssj3 exactly :/ to be precise i aleays felt it was more like a oozaru 2.
When ssj4 is introduced, it really should follow the path Broly set and be totally unique to each sayain utilizing the form.
Ssj4 takes a sayian's body to its biological peak. It's supposed to be every ounce of genetic potential brought to the surface, allowing them to adapt to any damage taken, fight with stamina built for war, and in the case of Goku's eyes after Eis shenron even a mild healing factor.
I don't just want to see forms stacked on top of eachother (at least not right away), I want it to be a potential form that functions a little differently depending on who's using it and perhaps as such it might not be right for them.
Me personally would love to see ssj4 again but there is a chance it will be a brand new super saiyan form that will be introduced so u cant rule out that possibility
also possible yeah
I think it should only happen if they do a "you can't do this ability as a child" trope, if that doesn't happen, it has no purpose.
I have similar thoughts
Like ultra instinct and ego being unusable by goku and vegeta while their kids maybe even being unable to use ssj God and thus ssj blue as well
@@MajinBird I say daima takes place in the Xenoverse/heros universe and not part of the main dragon ball story. also nothing about SSJ4 prevents it from working with god ki, UI or UE. Universal Studios japan even includes a SSJ4 blue broly in one of it's attractions. so I have no doubt toei considers it a legit combo. the same can be said for toyotaro who has made fan art for the concept in the past.
@@rrose9161 yeah, just limit them to their mortal ki
@@psionx1 yeah I assume it wouldn't be impossible to stack any mortal form on top of god ki, but I think it would make more sense to limit them to mortal ki as children.
I like all thing dragonball. As a kid I loved GT even when other didn’t. Tho it’s not the same as akira I will still watch dragon ball.
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Well said.🫡
Long as "Dragon Ball Daima" is more Martial Arts oriented (just like OG Dragon Ball) and doesn't abuse too much Ki Blast Spam most of the time like in DBGT (leave that only as Vegeta's Technique ™️).
Vegeta's Technique ™?
@@TheScarletWing2490 Yes, Vegeta's Technique ™️.
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@@potte2314 That's Right, Vegeta's Technique ™️
@joseurbina3835 but everyone ki spams to a degree and that's before gt (added "before gt")
I am super excited to see how this series turns out.
I personally would love to see ss4 again unlike some people that are haters of dbgt when really they should be haten the writers that made dbs anime so hit and miss so yeah dbgt did better than dbs overall
People get pissed when someone wants the creators to bring back the tails.
I low-key want them back too
Dbs has more 100000x more fans than dbgt
@@mr.t107DBS was just the last two letters: BS.
It was lazy and rehashed a lot of concepts, more fan service than actual originality
@@mr.t107still ass ima og fan it was boring I skipped everything to the tournament of power even then just skipped to ultra instinct
I don’t want ssj4 to be in daima, people that have called it db gt 2 would say “I told you so”
that aside do you like the form?
@@MajinBirdright?
Fr I don't want already used stuff I want them to add good stories and less plotholes
I want ssj4 canon… cuz ssj blue is clownish
You better believe I will
This strict adherence of trying to fit everything into the 10 year gap is a detriment. Just explicitly make out it’s its own continuity starting from the end of Z. It doesn’t have to follow into super.
This way they can be their own branches. They’re free to explore story lines without restrictions and making what’s already pointlessly contrived even more so
I would be fine with these changes
Honestly this is pretty genius, people that maybe dont like super or GT can enjoy the “Daima” continuity, making it its own thing after the end of the buu saga and all that would be perfect and not convoluted
If we do get super sayian 4 in Daima it could be interesting.
Daima is canon for some reason and its before super. They would mess up tge story if they add ssj4
@@mindofvirtuoso3358 I am personally fine with Daima being canon mostly because well its Akira Toriyama last work and plus its his baby.
If they did ssj4 in daima it would most likely be due to them losing their godki abilities bc of their physical differences, but if they do it like this, i feel that its gonna be like ssg, basically its gonna be used for only this situation then they'll ditch it, barely be used again if at all bc of their stronger forms becoming usable after the conflict. I dont was ssj4 to end up like ssg, one major use then discarded/replaced
Tbh I always felt like the best way to add a new form even with Ui being around is if they made it with a unique enemy in mind where Ui wouldn't work on due to how the bad guy is. Maybe the bad guy uses magic and illusions that Ui cannot overcome, granted he's strong enough but "all the strength in the world wouldn't help if I can't hit the guy".
Maybe the new villian does something to prevent goku remaining calm and because of that, he cannot let his body move on it's own. Meaning he'd need a form that taps into his rage more. Not the best examples but you get when I'm on about.
Instead of having the newest form be the best version of everything, making different transformations be different tools in goku's belt for situations would be better as there would be more reason for him to not go full power. A smart villian cannot be overpowered so easily and might even use said power as a means to be stronger themselves. Like 73 moro and his copy ability.
I think it's safe to say that we might see some lore about how the Saiyan's are from the Demon realm since if you think of it the Great Ape Oozaru form brings a pointed ear form for them when we see someone turn into the said form the Oozaru form might end up being a demon like type of evolution for the Saiyan transformations.
one thing they could do with SSJ4 is have it not have the energy drain that way it could be used in place of base form but be stronger cos he'd still be able to dodge and stuff like he can in super
A lot of the Fandom has never seen the original dragon ball. Just saiyan.
I think that Akira Toryamas fixation with making Goku a kid again in all his reboot series is a mix of his obsession with Journey to the West and his nostalgia of being a young animator just starting out making his first manga series Dr. Slump and Dragonball.
I get that the 80's were cool (especially in Japan) but man this show just feels like GT but with a touch of Tiny Toons. Obviously Toryama yearned for the old days until his death. When the anime's released he lost more and more creative control over the characters he loved as executives and fans needed to be appeased for his franchise to succeed, thus it gave him a negative association with the later series like DBZ, GT and Super.
I feel like in his later years Toryama caught the George Lucas syndrome and started to hate the fans who continually misunderstood his vision and work. But instead of selling out, he left us with something of his own creation one last time as a love letter to his true fans and at the same time, a middle finger to those who always complained and criticized his work.
Either way, I plan to watch Diama. Ill still enjoy it wether its good or bad knowing it was the big mans last hurrah.
I think it’d be cool to explore more of the oozaru roots, since that’s been absent for a very long time now, but was once a defining feature of the race. Combining SSJ 4 w/ UI should result in something that’s most powerful and I’d celebrate it
I really doubt that they give a canon version of the SSJ 4 to Goku and Vegeta, it would be pushing aside the divine forms, but in the case they add it I hope they fix the base design.
They could just give goku and vegeta the wrath state or something similar to it that involves oozaru.
Just subbed thanks for the video
everyone is given their own unique forms. i think if they introduce a version of ss4, it will go to broly, since he already taps into ikari anyway.
Wait Didn’t Goku Black have a green earring?
Yes, yes he does thats the only way he can use the time ring
he did in fact yes
@@MajinBirdIt's not common knowledge since Manga isn't always colored, but the color of Shin and Kibito's potara earrings have always been green in the manga. Z Anime and other subsequent media incorrectly color the potara of other official Supreme Kaioshins. Daima changing Shin and Kibito's potara back to green could be them correcting this issue, rather than a significant change of Shin and Kibito's status. Zamasu getting a hold of the Green Potara in Super made him a Supreme Kai rather than just a regular Kai, such as King Kai, like he was before.
SSJ3 + SSJ4 > DBS forms.
Facts.
i want ssj4 canon with good storyline. dragonball universe has so much potential for lore. they need to really explore the great ape concept for the saiyans.
4 with the OG Turtle gi is too 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I have always said that Im shocked Vegeta (the oh so Prideful Saiyan) hasnt returned to his Saiyan roots for power instead of relying on god Ki
I’m pretty sure it’s right after buu arc. But before super
Z Movies + GT = SDBH
(I feel Xeno Goku is a universe where Z films and GT are linked. Look at how the Z movie villans return in Gt and SDBH.)
None of this will happen in Daima. The only thing it has in correlation to GT is Goku being turned back into a kid again and nothing else. The reason SSJ4 is put on the back burner is due to how poorly it was received in Japan.
I personally learned to what extent it was greatly disliked when I lived there for 2 1/2yrs, discussing it the friends I made over there. The best comparison I can make to its dismay is the Nintendo Wii U, if you’re a gamer or even if you just simply google it, you’ll understand.
If you know anything about Japanese business culture, they tend to steer clear reminders of their failures as best they can, hence why anything SSJ4 related is only seen in Heroes content. Lastly SSJ4 is completely based off filler and NOTHING that was in the manga. The episode of Vegeta “explaining” what the LSSJ was is purely and solely based off filler.
That very scene, of Vegeta monologuing about it, is NOWHERE in any of the manga panels. So in essence SSJ4’s entire concept isn’t based off of anything from the canonical manga telling. Even Kai, which closely follows what is only depicted in the manga, completely cuts out that entire scene from the series.
So fans really need to stop with these head cannon high hopes of Daima having something to do with SSJ4. Daima is going to stay true to all that Toriyama left and intended for it to be. Shuiesha will not deviate from that as this is how they will honor his memory and legacy being one of the very last things he worked on.
How can you be so sure not that Toroyama passed? I doubt they'd follow his game play now when they weren't doing it when he was alive
I Would like this show and i would not like it if it had super saiyan 4 since then people would keep saying super saiyan 4 is stronger than the god forms and even ultra instinct
It is stronger than god forms but not ultra instinct we’ve already seen the forms fight each other
@@Scrubbletontheliger No just no
@@BeerusMurderer yes, yes- it happened in a toei animation which is the best we have to go off. All else is speculation. Just cuz you’re biased towards the lame re colored god forms doesn’t make it true. I am biased, but still realize that ultra instinct is stronger than ss4 at least in terms of combat effectiveness according to Toei animation. Probably will get ss4 canon and it’ll be way stronger than original ss4 on top of that.
@@Scrubbletontheliger Well 1 No and 2 what Animation was this and plus we all know super saiyan 4 is a 4000 times multiplier so your saying super saiyan god AND Blue are less than that? Your smoking somethin bud
@@Scrubbletontheliger It never happened in a toei animation plus which is it and we all know super saiyan 4 is a 4000 times multiplier and your saying super saiyan god AND BLUE are worse multipliers? yeah no gimme that pot your smokin bud
I hope it’s continuation but I feel like since they are on a cruise it’s before beerus arrives. I hope not but makes me think
Supreme Kai is separated which he was not until after beerus
For what I've been seeing, there won't be emphasis on transformations, but regular stuff with low power levels, and that's why they're all brought back to kids, to all be able to compare, Master Roshi, Goku, Vegeta, Krilin, Trunks, Goten, apparently maybe Gohan too, but not sure about that yet, so, all of the kids are kids and the adults and very old adults are kids as well... Lets see. And I really hope they move away from continuous transformations. I watch DB since the first or second episode, when it aired in the 90s in Portugal, it was never meant to about transformations...
I think fans forget toriyama has more of a hand in this project which already makes it stand out from super and GT. Also super has a lot of problems fans don’t wanna admit and the overly childish nature of goku in super isn’t even appealing I think we can trust toriyama decision on this one I don’t think toriyama was all that happy with how super turned out
It.. it's way more simple than that. Golden Oozaru is just... a Saiyan who has achieved Super Saiyan transforming into an Oozaru. SSJ4 is the result of maintaining full control while a Golden Oozaru. Nothing to do with love or anything else.
I disagree
What about Broly Acari transformation getting 4 ?
After super can be good. It’ll give a reason for the characters not to die of old age.
I really hope there are no transformations at all. I don’t like that they have to rely on multiple transformations to even stand a chance against their opponents. Daima is the perfect chance to just keep Goku in his base form.
Just an Fyi, after the ressurection F arc during Super, Toriyama said in a interview... (someone asked how he views GT now with super taking its place) that GT is more or less a different timeline... although I feel like me may have said that because of DB Heroes (which is makes sense when you watch it), but it just means that anything is possible, specially since a fanservice guy is now taking over Dragon Ball.
Rip toriyama though :c
The easiest way and the one that makes the most sense to bring back ssj4 is to have broly achieve it and let it only be unique to him
What if this is a universe that was revived after T.O.P.?
Dana is after super this stuff is self explaining with the way they releasing it plus Tori said he was dropping this before he got back to super so it’s obvi that it’s after super or technically in between
My only problem with ssj4 was it wasn’t golden as a transformation further from his previous transformation
If we get ssj4 in dioma I will hate it because the transformation doesn’t make sense to me
Green earrings has been explained in samazu arc there Kai’s in training
Well I mean does make sense him going back to a kid. Gt was fan made
you are aware that Akira Toriyama came up with the name and help design some characters in this series right. so its not fan made
Goku being wished back into a child undo's his operation to permanently remove his tail. So I hope Primal Saiyan (SSJ4) is what happens next. Btw I really hope they give it the proper name it deserves (Primal Saiyan) because it's not a SSJ form it should not be SSJ4.
The best way to introduce Super Saiyan 4 without conflicting with the God branch of Transformations, if Daima does take place after Super, is actually pretty simple. All of the characters are being reverted to children, and a childs body will have nowhere near the same level of strength as an adults, even a Saiyan. All they have to do is explain that because they are children their bodies are not properly matured/strong enough to handle the power of the God transformations and techniques, even if they do still know how to use the powers they wouldnt be able to muster the energy to do so, simply because they arent strong enough to. We might not even see any Super Saiyan transformations right away, based on what little we have seen of Daima, Goku is certainly returning to his roots from the original Dragon Ball, relying on martial arts and his Nyoibo, which honestly seeing him wield a staff is always amusing. One of my favorite parts of GT was when Goku went to hell during the Super 17 arc and proceeded to absolutely style on Freeza and Cell with a staff and flying around on an Destructo Disk like it was Kintoun
I think there's a Very, VERY HIGH CHANCE. Of Super sayian 4 appearring. Cause Gt Is shown in the timeline Trailer.
Kid Gogeta is all I want to see on Dragon Ball Daima nothing else.
The showing of the “Golden Ape” is misleading, because we are shown a star behind them giving off an orange and yellowish light which the great ape is bathing in, with the shadows made in front of it and while it might be a golden oozaru i just think its just the coloring placed on the silhouette from the sun behind it
i feel like that if they are gonna do ssj4 then they are gonna say that goku and vegeta can't tap into god ki because they have a child's body and it cannot handle it so it forces them to use their primal instincts
Well zamasu had green earrings so meaning that the kais could be reverting back to kais in training
8:12 - Or there are some of you listening and drawing at the same time...
like me
i will guess that when everybody is in that kid form the access to ssj4 may have high chance than goku tapping in ssj god form or ssjb because they are still kid the ki needed is to be an adult
I doubt Daima is after Super because 1. there would have to be a massive narrative severing from the Super cast, and 2. Pan was born during Super and is four by End of Z, giving a disgustingly short timeframe between an established end point and an ongoing manga series. Which is good for sanity but rough for Daima because they won't have any flashy new transformations to drive PR like Dragon Ball has been doing, at least none that have any staying power in the franchise's run since Battle of Gods goes from SSJ3 to SSG. The only way to get around that is to make it happen after End of Z, but that still gets caught in the traps of having to address where Uub is and again, cutting off from Super's plot.
What about super sayain 4 god?
Since it doesn't seem to be common knowledge in the fandom, I want to clarify Majin Bird, that Supreme Kai and Kibito's Potara earrings were originally Green from the start in the colored manga, when Kibito had blue skin, and Shin had darker purple skin. Unaware of the significance of the color and it makes a Kai a Supreme Kai. (Like how Zamasu used Gowasu's green potara to access the Time Rings) The Z anime and subsequent media incorrectly changed the color of Potara earrings to yellow, it's possible that they are correcting this mistake in Daima, and will act like Shin & Kibito's Potara earrings have always been green, or they may address it in universe somehow.
i think they could do ssj4 if goku is a kid with a tail again it could be with his experience an being a kid again he could transform from seeing the moon but then take control of the form resulting in ssj4 an after that he could figure out how to use it with ui making another transformation making that ssj4 with white hair
Broly and maybe Gohan are the only candidates for SSJ4, their power is already rooted in primal instinct, especially Broly, the rest of the Saiyans have started down god ki paths or no path at all
I would love to see Broly get it, it feels the most fitting
Super saiyan 4 should be their new base form once their saiyan potential resches its peak their bodies could natural change since they have black hair but god ki shown through the red fur a true saiyan god
An transformation from ape to ssj4 should be more likely natural. So it should be rare do have it canon
im wondering if this man has watched past the buu saga, in super its not stated but shown and half explained by zamasu and gowasu that yellow is basically training kai and green is a full fledged kai, universe 7 supreme kai's were all killed by buu, and elder kai was sealed by beerus, meaning our current supreme kai probably was never able to finish or start his kai training to become a full kai, which is why he was so weak compared to the kai of the past, in diama if it is set after super, he may have just finished his training.
Well that’s more what I was trying to say. Since he has green earrings it would be after super. Though I missed the specific detail they did seem different and I was pointing it out
Thanks for that bit of information though 💯
@@MajinBird okay sweet, just making sure, cause that detail with black giving the green earing to zamasu is often overlooked so im happy to see someone noticed it
@@MajinBird not only that, but think about ssg and how it takes less stamina to transform than ssb, ,ssj4 could be similar in that it closes the gap between ssj3 and ssg without passing into the domains of the god, plus the whole peak of biology effect it has making him grow into his peak physical health and body, then ssj4 gogeta could be just under ssb. jiren proved mortals could be as strong as a god without god ki
Heres a theory... They achieve SSJ4... and then.... Push to SSJ5!!!🤯 Which is like SSJ4 with SSJ3 hair and Ultra Instict Color!!! Like in the Fan made Version of Goku done years ago... Basically SSJ5 = SSJ4 + Ultra Instinct!🤯🤯🤯🤯😅
If It's In Daima all... I'ma say Is a young Goku going back to travel because of the Dragon balls would make..... hecccckkkaaa sense... Goku like.. I ain't ready to give this... life up, yet.. 😂🤌
Last I check doesn't dauma take place between the gap in time from the end of the buu saga up to the start of super
there hasnt been a confirmed time. some popular youtubers have said this and I guess everyone took it as a fact
I don't see a tail on daima kid goku.
But they said its between z and super
Gokus tail is only sealed so that seal would only need to be removed to regain his tail again
hm🤔
@@MajinBird i mean kami only sealed it he did not fully remove it only block the tail from ever re-growing
hear me out. What if it's not before or after Super, but in a diffrent Canon? Me and Friends have generally talked every now and then, that Dragonball GT and Super just are Alternate Realities, and what if Daima is just like that? i mean we saw no God related stuff beyond the Supreme kais, which could mean that they don't exist in this canon.
For a comparison, think of it like the Zelda Timeline, just instead of a Split through actions , we make all three Timelines What ifs.
His tail didn't grow back. It was pulled out by the Kai
I'm guessing becoming a kid again will make it difficult to maintain SSG and UI
Ssj4 goku is my favorite form and I don’t want it to be introduce on daima. Because the timeline is before super then that form will look weak. The debate what form is stronger will end. For me ssj4 form is the strongest.
I love gt I jus kept it in mind growin up that it’s not canon
I kinda like goku going back into a kid but not the other characters
damn, chat GPT cooked on this one
we have never seen a saiyan turn super saiyan with a tail still.....if they had one maybe it'd be different
I don't really think super sayain 4 will be able to pop up on dragon ball daima, at least for Goku and Vegeta. I think it can be incorporated into super through broly as a medium saying that he had chosen a different route to power by using super sayain 4 because if u think about it, it has been heavily emphasized about how broly's path to getting stronger dwells within his raw sayain power
My main problem isn’t even him turning back into a kid again, it’s his dub voice actor and his loss of chubiness. His skinny appearance just feels off in comparison to what he used to look like in the OG dragonball. Not too big of a deal but makes me a lil disappointed. Cause when he was young he was litterally the strongest person alive on earth, but still had a chubby anime body. Just a cute design I miss. And then the VA for dubbing, I really loved Steph’s voice. I pray she can come back but high chance she won’t be.
I always thought of ssj4 as super sayin ozarru just in natural form and not ape
I have a theory what if Diama goku gose ssj4 and then after ssj5 so what if toritaro sorry if I didn’t spell it right but what if he makes his famous manga cannon but yeah
So is super done? Are they gonna animate it? It be dumb for this to take place “after super” when it hasn’t even caught up to the manga.
By is not a continuation of the anime it’s a was a spin for some side fun. Tori never said it was part of his story and Denied that long ago. Rip
Goku has been time traveling since dragonball and krillin is roshi
Lmao imagine if that was true
I don’t think SSJ4 will be part of Daima. The form itself is fine but I do find it a little overrated in the community. I do find it pointless to add because of your point about how it plays with the God forms. Maybe it can be combined with God Ki to make the form even better. Possibly SSJG so it can get that iconic red hair it had as a fusion except it’s SSJ4 combined with SSJG. But then again that ps strange with ultra instinct being a thing and how Goku can combine SSJG with UI
GT is my least favorite series for dragon ball but I still like it overall. It gets boring at times and I don’t like multiple plot points.
ssj4 could replace ssj3 in battle as they warm up theyd go 1,2,4 then god forms, and then UI/UE.
Give us SSJ4 it’s way better than the lame ass ssj god variants
All of the transformations are in a SET order. DBZ introduced SSJ, SSJ2, and SSJ3, Dragonball GT(an alternate timeline) introduced SSJ4, and DB Super introduced SSG, SSG Blue, LSSJ, UI, Ultra Ego, and Beast Gohan. It should be in that order. If DB Super's transformations are canon, why can't SSJ4 be?
Gt better than super
Hey make a video about the true multiplier of ssj because it cant be 50x the fact that its stronger then grade 3 which is 10x ssj grade 1
I actually made a video talking about it sometime ago
daima would start between golden frieza and U6's arc (imo)
Ss4 is def possible and I wouldn’t be surprised seeing how they could use it to be a final form and ig they can include the meaningless God Ki with the form.
As a fan of GT I don't like the recycled use of a concept taken from the show but whatever. I think that if they will introduce SSJ4 it will have a new design, who would look more like an ancient Monkey person rather than this cool design. However there is something I want to correct you on- You said GT is a continuation of the anime, it is a continuation of the movies timeline therefore it is canon only for the movies timeline (for people who gives a F about canon. I know I don't. Nothing wrong from enjoying a filler episode/movie/show).
speculate all you want, it's been confirmed it doesn't take place after super.
where?
Ask 4 should remain non canon along side where it was born, GT. If the form returns it would honestly need to be weaker than super sayan god in my opinion, but that is just an opinion. And I’m not a fan of how ssj 4 was easier to hold compared to ssj 3. I also have that same opinion about ssj god. The fact that those forms are stronger than 3 should mean that they require more to maintain than ssj 3 and yes I was a little disappointed in the lack of ssj 3’s use throughout the anime. The franchise already rewrote broly’s story for the new movie so I would not put it past them to do this with 4. But I will say the new broly is way better than the old.
More fighting, less ki use for a while… make the forms basically not give as much a boost until they grow back
I mean narratively I feel yall so scared of Ssg and SSb that yall forget it’s just base and super saiyan with god ki added technically he could’ve went ssGss 3 if he trained for that but stamina a natural evolution would be SSJ4 and eventually god or blue will be thrown on top of it especially with broly being canon besties with goku and vegeta he acts on his primal form of ikari so narratively vegeta would understand it more than goku being its in correlation with great ape like a mix between ultimate saiyan forms and god forms
I am saying it now.
Goku wikl unlock a temporary form for final fight and entire fandom will call it ssj4 even if it won't get official name.
I was disappointed because i wanted to see where Goku and the z fighters go after super. I was hoping to finally get a continuation after all these years of waiting. However as long as this story is good i can maybe be satisfied (don't really have much faith in toei though)
Actually I. The GT series goku left earth with pan and trunks on a mission to get the dragon balls and when they came back super baby took control of the planet what if some thing similar could happen in Diama the quite you said earlier spike my interest 4:09
I hope they bring ss4 back. Personally I believe it the best from. It's the only form that has a back story that dive into there sayian Heritage. It far better the ss1 2 and 3 in all aspects. super sayian red, violet, blue, and ultra Instinct honestly lack creativity. They just changed the character hair. Took me years to watch super because of the lack of creativity
I'm neither, I just let youtube play what it wants after I click on 1 video.
😂
Personally i think we will never get something called ssj4. The original transformation was already not a ssj to be fair. It was the same concept of ssjb, one transformation stacked atop of another, in case ssj stacked on Oozaru, it was'nt a evolution of ssj3 exactly :/ to be precise i aleays felt it was more like a oozaru 2.