Take a look at some common wooden types, most of them relatively inexpensive. Visit: www.blackburnb... for books and to sign up for lessons in Woodstock NY.
Thank You Graham. Really enjoyed this video. Also - whomever is doing the camera work is doing a great job moving around while you demonstrate. Its getting better each time.
Great overview, I've never seen some of those. Recently I used my wood body skew rabbet plane for a job at work. We were preparing cottonwood logs to mount on little steel posts for a playground, each post needed a flat cut to screw it onto. Layout, hand saw, big chisel, then rabbet plane got it close enough. Just the right tools even with plenty of louder plastic tools near at hand.
Hey i liké those planes too. Usefull in Any situation. In France They are called "Guillaume" as you might already know, and Moving fillister are called "Bouvet à approfondir" :)
Thank you, Sir! I see these all the time in Antique stores but until now have been kind of afraid to buy many of them because I wasn't sure I'd ever figure out how to use them. I'm ordering your book!
Thanks for sharing your wisdom once again. I truly appreciate it and will be passing on your wisdom to the next generation when the chance presents itself. Cheers from the river thames me ol mucker.
Really fantastic lesson, Graham! Thanks a lot! 😃 I'm trying to find those for a good while already, with no luck... But I'm going to keep trying! Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Nice, I never heard of straight rabbet planes being called 'ship rabbets'. The difference between the sash and moving fillisters wax described to me as: The fence on the moving fillister sets how much material to remove. The fence on the sash fillister sets how much material to keep.
@@gjbmunc It's the Norman's fault. That's why we have mutton and lamb and other such distinctions. The lower grade item was Saxon, the higher Norman. And then you guys decided to split with the Mother Country and generate a mispronunciation 🤣.
I had heard the terms filister plane, moving filister and sash filister but had no idea, until recently, what a filister was. According to Steve Branam, in his book “Hand tool basics” a rebate or rabbet is a groove at the edge of a board following the long grain while a filister is the same but across the end grain. Do you agree? Loved the video and am very tempted to get more of these planes before they disappear.
I prefer the older spelling 'filletster', but that is rarely used to indicate solely a cross-grain rabbet plane. But as I've told other people, many of these terms were peculiar to particular makers. I tend to use the more generalized terms. For more detailed info you might want to get a copy of 'The Wooden Plane' by John M. Whelan, published by Astragal Press. (or one of my books!)
I assume you mean skewed rather than straight across the sole. If you mean upright rather than tilted then you may be looking at a different kind of tool - more like a scraper. But then I'm no expert on Swedish tools.
Hi Graham - great video! Any more background on the term 'ship rabbet plane' for the square bladed versions and where that might come from? Can't seem to find anything online! Very interesting!
Many of these terms were peculiar to particular makers. I tend to use the more beneralized terms. For more detailed info you might want to get a copy of 'The Wooden Plane' by John M. Whelan, published by Astragal Press.
I've got a wooden plane that's like a rabbet plane (same curved chip ejection, skewed blade, had a nicker at some point), but instead of being totally flat along the sole, there's a step built into it, almost like a depth stop. So intead of this: [_] it's like this: [_|-' The blade is only as wide as the lower portion of the sole. Would this be considered a rabbet plane, or does it have a different name? Thanks for the informative videos!
You have a variety of rabbet plane known variously as a halving plane, standing filletster, and other terms. Many of these terms were peculiar to particular makers. I tend to use the more generalized terms. For more detailed info you might want to get a copy of 'The Wooden Plane' by John M. Whelan, published by Astragal Press.
It is possible wih a little searching to find irons (blades) for various planes, but in general, unless it is for some other reason a very special plane, it is generally better to pass and wait for complete tool.
If you're in the US, Red Rose Reproductions sells tapered blades for rabbet planes and hollows/rounds. They may have something that will fit your planes
What do you mean "opposed to working"? Setup fence and a depth stop and do all four rabbets uniform at once for the picture frame is "opposed to work"?
@roman_le Not trying to argue, but just to expand: The No78 is quite useful, but does not handle everything. I use rabbet planes for roughing in mouldings. That is best done with a more nimble plane, meaning lighter, smaller, and closer to my hand. Now, much of that _could_ be done with a No78 and its fence would be a nice convenience. However, in some moulding profiles, the cut to be made with the rabbet must be made with a narrow blade to avoid hitting other parts of the profile. This often happens when putting a chamfer onto something in the middle of the profile. I have a little 3/8" wide plane for those cuts, although it is really a bullnose. The skinny rabbet on Graham's bench really caught my eye, although it seems a miracle that such a plane would stay flat and free of twist!
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Thank You Graham. Really enjoyed this video. Also - whomever is doing the camera work is doing a great job moving around while you demonstrate. Its getting better each time.
Many thanks!
You and Rex krueger are my favorites. God Bless and Stay Safe.
You too!
Great overview, I've never seen some of those. Recently I used my wood body skew rabbet plane for a job at work. We were preparing cottonwood logs to mount on little steel posts for a playground, each post needed a flat cut to screw it onto. Layout, hand saw, big chisel, then rabbet plane got it close enough. Just the right tools even with plenty of louder plastic tools near at hand.
There you go!
I have several of your books and they never disappoint. Your videos are just as great. Thanks for spreading your knowledge.
Great to hear!
I really love the wooden bodied planes, this video was really helpful. Thank you!
You're very welcome!
Thanks going the different planes,good stuff,love it!😊
Glad you enjoyed
Hey i liké those planes too. Usefull in Any situation. In France They are called "Guillaume" as you might already know, and Moving fillister are called "Bouvet à approfondir" :)
Voilà!
Thank you very much, I always look forward to your next video!
Glad to hear that!
Good Easter 🐣 master !
You too
Thank you Graham for pointing out the differences between these useful planes.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you, Sir! I see these all the time in Antique stores but until now have been kind of afraid to buy many of them because I wasn't sure I'd ever figure out how to use them. I'm ordering your book!
So nice of you
So nice of you
Thanks for sharing your wisdom once again. I truly appreciate it and will be passing on your wisdom to the next generation when the chance presents itself. Cheers from the river thames me ol mucker.
Many a fine plane has been found mudlarking in the Thames.
Really fantastic lesson, Graham! Thanks a lot! 😃
I'm trying to find those for a good while already, with no luck... But I'm going to keep trying!
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Thanks.
Awesome video Graham. thank you so much for doing this series.
You're welcome.
Nice overview👌thx for posting
Thanks for watching!
Thank you Sir, again..🎉
Always welcome
Nice, I never heard of straight rabbet planes being called 'ship rabbets'.
The difference between the sash and moving fillisters wax described to me as:
The fence on the moving fillister sets how much material to remove.
The fence on the sash fillister sets how much material to keep.
Ship rabbets depends on the length.
fillisteer fences do indeed do that!
That's quite a variety of different rabbet planes. Very interesting! I await part #2.
Coming soon!
Very cool information. Thank you.
Very welcome!
Finally! Someone says why the two terms for a rebate.
Perhaps we need an OED in the USA
@@gjbmunc It's the Norman's fault. That's why we have mutton and lamb and other such distinctions. The lower grade item was Saxon, the higher Norman. And then you guys decided to split with the Mother Country and generate a mispronunciation 🤣.
Great episode!!! Thank you sir!!!
Thanks!
I had heard the terms filister plane, moving filister and sash filister but had no idea, until recently, what a filister was. According to Steve Branam, in his book “Hand tool basics” a rebate or rabbet is a groove at the edge of a board following the long grain while a filister is the same but across the end grain. Do you agree? Loved the video and am very tempted to get more of these planes before they disappear.
I prefer the older spelling 'filletster', but that is rarely used to indicate solely a cross-grain rabbet plane. But as I've told other people, many of these terms were peculiar to particular makers. I tend to use the more generalized terms. For more detailed info you might want to get a copy of 'The Wooden Plane' by John M. Whelan, published by Astragal Press. (or one of my books!)
Odd, we reserve "rebate" for financial activities.
I agree.
Well as a Yorkshire man it's a rebate plane thank you Graham
Just goes to show - I was brought up in London.
Here in sweden i would say 9 out of 10 rabet planes have straight, non tilted irons.
I assume you mean skewed rather than straight across the sole. If you mean upright rather than tilted then you may be looking at a different kind of tool - more like a scraper. But then I'm no expert on Swedish tools.
Superb instruction as usual - thanks!
Thanks again!
Thank You Graham Blackburn... Question...> When you use the Rabbet Plane do the shavings look like Easter Eggs?... TM
Only if you use a rabbIt plane.
Hi Graham - great video! Any more background on the term 'ship rabbet plane' for the square bladed versions and where that might come from? Can't seem to find anything online! Very interesting!
Many of these terms were peculiar to particular makers. I tend to use the more beneralized terms. For more detailed info you might want to get a copy of 'The Wooden Plane' by John M. Whelan, published by Astragal Press.
@@gjbmunc thanks Graham :)
Great channel. Got all your books. Not sure I will read them but they are kept safe for Noah’s Ark. Thank you.
Enjoy!
I've got a wooden plane that's like a rabbet plane (same curved chip ejection, skewed blade, had a nicker at some point), but instead of being totally flat along the sole, there's a step built into it, almost like a depth stop. So intead of this: [_] it's like this: [_|-'
The blade is only as wide as the lower portion of the sole. Would this be considered a rabbet plane, or does it have a different name? Thanks for the informative videos!
You have a variety of rabbet plane known variously as a halving plane, standing filletster, and other terms.
Many of these terms were peculiar to particular makers. I tend to use the more generalized terms. For more detailed info you might want to get a copy of 'The Wooden Plane' by John M. Whelan, published by Astragal Press.
@@gjbmunc How interesting! I've never heard of that before. Thank you for the information, and the book recommendation!
thanks
You're welcome!
What is the difference between a sash fillister and a plough plane?
the sash fillietser cuts a rebate (on a sash piece), the plough cuts a groove in the middle of the workpiece.
looks like you need a left hand bench graham
Just for the videos!
11:00
Never saw ! Looks useful. Replaced actually now by the shoulder plane ?
You could also use a rabet plane lying down
Not exactly; technically a shoulder plane is a rabbet plane with a built-in fence.
I mean rabbit, of course..
Sir: did you touch the case for dovetail planes ?
Also: would
Appreciate a video about tapered dovetail
briefly mentioned dovetail planes in episoode 27. More to come.
Likewise tapered dovetails.
I have found several planes in antique stores but with no blade, are blades available somewhere or am i better off passing on the ones with no blade?
It is possible wih a little searching to find irons (blades) for various planes, but in general, unless it is for some other reason a very special plane, it is generally better to pass and wait for complete tool.
If you're in the US, Red Rose Reproductions sells tapered blades for rabbet planes and hollows/rounds. They may have something that will fit your planes
A vidéo for the
Moving filister?
Could be coming soon...,.
Record (or Stanley) №78 is the only fillister required to make any rabbet on this planet.
Excluding, of course, these curved ones.
If you like setting things up as opposed to working - yes! I do like mine but id rather a specialised plane personally.
What do you mean "opposed to working"?
Setup fence and a depth stop and do all four rabbets uniform at once for the picture frame is "opposed to work"?
@@roman_le I mean what I said mate, don't fret about it.
Hey - different strokes for different folks, remember?
@roman_le Not trying to argue, but just to expand: The No78 is quite useful, but does not handle everything. I use rabbet planes for roughing in mouldings. That is best done with a more nimble plane, meaning lighter, smaller, and closer to my hand. Now, much of that _could_ be done with a No78 and its fence would be a nice convenience. However, in some moulding profiles, the cut to be made with the rabbet must be made with a narrow blade to avoid hitting other parts of the profile. This often happens when putting a chamfer onto something in the middle of the profile. I have a little 3/8" wide plane for those cuts, although it is really a bullnose. The skinny rabbet on Graham's bench really caught my eye, although it seems a miracle that such a plane would stay flat and free of twist!