I read 'Savage Grace', an oral history written by Natalie Robins and Steven M. L. Aronson, forty years ago. Always surprised when I think it's not used as a reference when I see content regarding this case on TH-cam. At the same time, it appeared that the peeps who were interviewed, for the book, were discreet to say the least! (By the way, I was a child camping out in Europe when Mrs. Baekleand was murdered). This case is so sad. And the fact that was a plastic bag Antony used - on himself - well, one cannot make that up.
She was truly repulsive and her husband was so self absorbed he didn’t bother to help their son. That poor boy had absolutely no chance regardless of their wealth. It’s obscene.
Does it sound like mom was perhaps bipolar ? She fawned over her son one day & ignored him the next. He poor guy was gay of course but they called many mental illnesses schizophrenic ,but I guess we will never know. My grandmother was diagnosed with every new mental illness that her Dr.came up with. She had 7 children & every time she had a baby she got worse…my aunt asked grandfather ,you are a very smart man an engineer,why would you keep having babies. Anyway after grandfather passed she broke her hip & was taken off lithium for bipolar. She stayed off mental health meds from age 60 -96 & never had mental illness again. The Dr said to me it’s important to see other Drs on your life’s journey, your favorite old family Dr that’s known you since you were young may not be up on the latest studies.
@@miniaturesculptureartby23r20Your statement has no basis in fact. Bipolar disorder is a mental illness brought on by several factors. In the future, refrain from making such baseless comments as they help no one and only make you appear foolish.
I’ve never heard about this family before. What a horrible pair Barbara and her husband were. Thanks for this fascinating bit of history. New subscriber.
By the way, I am a mother of a transgender He came out at age 13. I was devastated sad and shocked and hurt thinking I did something wrong. His situation he says came from his soul, so I believe it I respect that He’s 34 he does not want the surgery, but he is taken things to develop him on some areas as a woman This is my child. I am his mother and it is wrong. But I love my child, and I will protect him as fast as I can
@bluespring6352 the way she did it was wrong. He sounds like he did not get to evolve. How would you like that done to you picture that being done to you? She did not accept her son as being gay.
What a phenomenal video! So well done! Did not know this story. I am sure him being her only child: made it so much harder for her to acknowledge or accept! The father escaped to a normal life. Parents who have disabled children; suffer higher divorce, just like parents who suffer child loss.
Just frightening of a young man with pychotic and a damaged mental condition. He was not treated to phsychiatric help ever aand exacerbated his mental disability as he aged. Very strange behaviour by his mother to "cure" his homosexuality! Chilling and very sad.😢
Very sad. With all that money and high education his mother never thought about getting their only son medical help. Granted during that time sending someone to psychiatric ward was a dangerous idea for the patient. They were drugged and mistreated badly per researchers ( Geraldo Riviera ).
@ Sad. During those days all the way up to 1970 mental institutions would mistreat patients. Seeing a psychiatrist / therapist might not of been equipped to deal with same sex issues. It is a sad case. All that money and she didn’t have any common sense or know from right to wrong.
It keeps the crazies in, it doesn’t keep the crazies out. You think broadmoor protects the mentally ill from psychos like Saville? Nope they’re ptotecting us the society from the wretched souls languishing within. But we can do whatever we want to them, they have no choice
Poor Antony! Bad enough that they wouldn't acknowledge his mental health issues when they could afford the best treatments, ( of course it was all about keeping up the social facade ) but my fecking gawd, Barabara seducing him to "cure" his gayness! Revolting! That poor kid, he didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of turning out okay! Love the term the narrator used, "Maternal Malpractice." Ya think?
😢 yes what a sad story of people that just won't except the fact of a child that is crying for help, just because they don't want to live with the feeling of being degraded. Which i think is ridiculous 😢😢
This is about the saddest and most disgusting real life family downfall I’ve heard in recent times. What kind of man would allow his unbalanced wife to have a sexual relationship with her biological unbalanced son. That poor child never had a chance at a decent life with parents like them. May they all Rest In Peace.
No this the first time I have heard of this story. I think there was something mentally with both parents and all of these issues the son had. Thank you❤
@@alfredbonnabel7022 I thought that the film was a chopped up.mess..It only Intimated at how bizarrely.dysfunctional, abusive and damaging she was, they all were !
YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL AND NEVER BE HAPPY, THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE, HIS MOTHER, MS. BARBARA LONGED FOR MONEY HAPPINESS, HER SON ANTHONY INHERTED HIS MOTHER TRAITS, BUT SHE WENT WITH ĤER OWN SON, HOW DEVERSTATING COULD THIS BE FOR HER SON, TOO MUCH TOO SOON. GREAT VIDEO👍
Looks like mental illness runs in his mother’s family, including his mother. BTW, every time I meet a suburban housewife who claims to be an artist, I run for cover.
What gets me is how does the wide range of circle of friends and family? No one stopped it Not even the father of the boy So they could all look good because they had money
I’ve never heard of these people before. They sound ghastly. The son needed expert treatment and did not get it. Schizophrenia is hard to treat. Invest is an unusual way of addressingvit. His release kedcyo murderous violence an outpouring of anger against his mother
Descriptions of episodes of madness involving hearing voices, seeing visions and erratic and unruly behaviour start to appear in the literature from the 17th centur
Sam Green claimed the incestuous three-way relationship did not happen. He sued the film company. Also, he thought the incestuous relationship between mom and son was cooked up by mom for shock value.
Maybe I am nit picking here but the authorities had EIGHT freakin' MONTHS to obtain his medical records. This is hard to believe. Not that he should have gotten out on bail but that poor kid never stood a chance in this world. Both his parents were disgraceful. There is more to this tragic story that we may never know.
She re fused to acknowledge , and deal with his mental health issues, as she did her own. The sone was the only one with mental health problems. She basically allowed herself to be murdered. I’m not trying to be cruel, nor condescending.
Script and narration interesting but the constant repetition of the same handful of images is bad. There is way too much similar content out there for this channel to be successful
OK, I just heard the part where the mother is having sex with her son and she thinks that’s gonna help That is stuff from the pits of hell. It amazes me people who have money think they know everything and they freaking don’t.
COMMENT: Had you heard this tragic story - and what is your opinion on the Baekland family’s legacy?
‘Legal problems’ is a bit weak for being imprisoned in a secure mental hospital following murdering of one’s mother
@@OldMoneyAllure I am going to gobble up everything you produce! Love your voice, and everything you do is SO visually beautiful! 💖
@@AbbaLovesUs Thank you so much Abba :) Hopefully the videos continue to please you!
I read 'Savage Grace', an oral history written by Natalie Robins and Steven M. L. Aronson, forty years ago. Always surprised when I think it's not used as a reference when I see content regarding this case on TH-cam. At the same time, it appeared that the peeps who were interviewed, for the book, were discreet to say the least! (By the way, I was a child camping out in Europe when Mrs. Baekleand was murdered). This case is so sad. And the fact that was a plastic bag Antony used - on himself - well, one cannot make that up.
i'd never heard about this🫢
This is so tragic. The poor boy didn't stand a chance at becoming mentally stable with parents like that. 😢
She was truly repulsive and her husband was so self absorbed he didn’t bother to help their son. That poor boy had absolutely no chance regardless of their wealth. It’s obscene.
Does it sound like mom was perhaps bipolar ? She fawned over her son one day & ignored him the next. He poor guy was gay of course but they called many mental illnesses schizophrenic ,but I guess we will never know. My grandmother was diagnosed with every new mental illness that her Dr.came up with. She had 7 children & every time she had a baby she got worse…my aunt asked grandfather ,you are a very smart man an engineer,why would you keep having babies. Anyway after grandfather passed she broke her hip & was taken off lithium for bipolar. She stayed off mental health meds from age 60 -96 & never had mental illness again. The Dr said to me it’s important to see other Drs on your life’s journey, your favorite old family Dr that’s known you since you were young may not be up on the latest studies.
That's wonderful to hear. My daughter is bipolar. 🙏🏻
Ah yup- this is a spiritual problem in the family line. Evil attached.
@@miniaturesculptureartby23r20Your statement has no basis in fact. Bipolar disorder is a mental illness brought on by several factors.
In the future, refrain from making such baseless comments as they help no one and only make you appear foolish.
I’ve never heard about this family before. What a horrible pair Barbara and her husband were. Thanks for this fascinating bit of history. New subscriber.
Her childhood mentally destroyed her, and she in turn, mentally destroyed her son...generational curse. 😢
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I have never heard this story before, but it is scandalous. I love the Allure Scandals; please keep them coming.
There is a movie called Savage Grace based on this.
Yes we mention it in the video :)
The book is fantastic
Yes, I've got the DVD. Is very good, E. Redmayne, J. Moore
@ Back before I knew who he was.
Thank you
Wow thanks for sharing this story
The son didn't have half the mental issues the mother, Barbara had .
Schizophrenia comes from SA in childhood (demonic attachments through the acts).
Right. I don’t think Antony’s mental illness would’ve been as extensive if not for mama.
Having sex with your mother is disgusting. What was she thinking? She screwed him up for life.
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Regrets !
She most definitely did. What a horrid, horrid woman!
She most definitely did! What a horrid, horrid woman!
And thinking this would turn him away from wanting men is ludicrous. If anything, it would turn him away from wanting women.
By the way, I am a mother of a transgender
He came out at age 13. I was devastated sad and shocked and hurt thinking I did something wrong.
His situation he says came from his soul, so I believe it I respect that
He’s 34 he does not want the surgery, but he is taken things to develop him on some areas as a woman
This is my child. I am his mother and it is wrong.
But I love my child, and I will protect him as fast as I can
Is it wrong the want to change of your son or the story the video's about?
It definitely is wrong; however, if it was my child, I’d have to deal with it as well.
Why is it wrong 😂 is it causing harm or hurt to others?
Thank u. I struggle with it as well. 🙏🏽
@bluespring6352 the way she did it was wrong. He sounds like he did not get to evolve.
How would you like that done to you picture that being done to you? She did not accept her son as being gay.
What a phenomenal video! So well done! Did not know this story. I am sure him being her only child: made it
so much harder for her to acknowledge or accept! The father escaped to a normal life. Parents who have disabled children; suffer higher divorce, just like parents who suffer child loss.
How delightful of you to take the time to express your thoughtful remarks!
@ Watching another now! You are phenomenal! Love your Chapter breaks. 🩷
Just frightening of a young man with pychotic and a damaged mental condition.
He was not treated to phsychiatric help ever aand exacerbated his mental disability as he aged.
Very strange behaviour by his mother to "cure" his homosexuality!
Chilling and very sad.😢
Very sad. With all that money and high education his mother never thought about getting their only son medical help. Granted during that time sending someone to psychiatric ward was a dangerous idea for the patient. They were drugged and mistreated badly per researchers ( Geraldo Riviera ).
I don’t think she did it, because how would it look?? She was all about appearances.
@ Sad. During those days all the way up to 1970 mental institutions would mistreat patients. Seeing a psychiatrist / therapist might not of been equipped to deal with same sex issues. It is a sad case. All that money and she didn’t have any common sense or know from right to wrong.
How could Broadmore be so secure if they allowed Savile to have unfettered access???
It is secure in that the inmates cannot get out, not that people cannot get in.
It keeps the crazies in, it doesn’t keep the crazies out. You think broadmoor protects the mentally ill from psychos like Saville? Nope they’re ptotecting us the society from the wretched souls languishing within. But we can do whatever we want to them, they have no choice
I saw the film about them. The son stabbed the mother, then calmly ordered food to be sent to their rooms. I do admire the Bakelite products, though.
She was mentally ill and violent herself !
To do what she did to her son, using it as a cure is utterly criminal
and obscene ! Poor Anthony !!!!!!!
Poor Anthony. And a mother who did everything wrong!
Poor Antony! Bad enough that they wouldn't acknowledge his mental health issues when they could afford the best treatments, ( of course it was all about keeping up the social facade ) but my fecking gawd, Barabara seducing him to "cure" his gayness! Revolting! That poor kid, he didn't have a snowballs chance in hell of turning out okay! Love the term the narrator used, "Maternal Malpractice." Ya think?
😢 yes what a sad story of people that just won't except the fact of a child that is crying for help, just because they don't want to live with the feeling of being degraded. Which i think is ridiculous 😢😢
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It's all about what others think sometimes an that's ridiculous .....like what will the neighbors say kinda stuff
This is about the saddest and most disgusting real life family downfall I’ve heard in recent times. What kind of man would allow his unbalanced wife to have a sexual relationship with her biological unbalanced son. That poor child never had a chance at a decent life with parents like them. May they all Rest In Peace.
Wasn’t incest illegal? Why wasn’t she arrested
She was rich
No this the first time I have heard of this story. I think there was something mentally with both parents and all of these issues the son had. Thank you❤
JFC this is awful. incest has no boundries... nor does mental health, Poor antony. that is so sad and twisted. JFC
Horrid parents!
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I read the book called Savage Grace... couldn't put it down. The film was terrific.
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I thought that the film was a chopped up.mess..It only
Intimated at how bizarrely.dysfunctional, abusive and damaging she was, they all were !
What a family. Poor things.
Love your videos❤THANK YOU
Sick people. Tragic. He was sexually abused, I. His older years. These Tragic stories behind these high society people.
She destroyed her son.
This is like a Greek Tragedy. Dysfunction Junction…Savage Grace is fantastic, btw.
This one is a little ‘eerie’.
YOU CAN HAVE IT ALL AND NEVER BE HAPPY, THAT WHAT HAPPENED IN THIS CASE, HIS MOTHER, MS. BARBARA LONGED FOR MONEY HAPPINESS, HER SON ANTHONY INHERTED HIS MOTHER TRAITS, BUT SHE WENT WITH ĤER OWN SON, HOW DEVERSTATING COULD THIS BE FOR HER SON, TOO MUCH TOO SOON. GREAT VIDEO👍
Looks like mental illness runs in his mother’s family, including his mother. BTW, every time I meet a suburban housewife who claims to be an artist, I run for cover.
Funny, not funny!
Yes it is hereditary his grandfather took his own life ,it's genetic
Probably their fortune!
What gets me is how does the wide range of circle of friends and family?
No one stopped it
Not even the father of the boy
So they could all look good because they had money
I’ve never heard of these people before. They sound ghastly. The son needed expert treatment and did not get it. Schizophrenia is hard to treat. Invest is an unusual way of addressingvit. His release kedcyo murderous violence an outpouring of anger against his mother
Never heard . Love real life history. Better than fiction thanks ❤
I don't feel bad about her demise. She crossed the Rubicon.
What terrible parents to this young man.
The negligent father has as much role in this tragedy as the awful mother
Why not use photos that go with the storyline?
Some of the footage is out of the movie "Savage Grace", which is an excellent portrayal of this family. 😊
@joanthompson5606 I read the book and saw the movie. SAVAGE.
Descriptions of episodes of madness involving hearing voices, seeing visions and erratic and unruly behaviour start to appear in the literature from the 17th centur
Sam Green claimed the incestuous three-way relationship did not happen. He sued the film company. Also, he thought the incestuous relationship between mom and son was cooked up by mom for shock value.
“praised for her exotic looks” ....LOL
???
I know about Leo Baekland and how he came up with Bakealite.
Barbara = Jose and Kitty Menendez
Maybe I am nit picking here but the authorities had EIGHT freakin' MONTHS to obtain his medical records.
This is hard to believe. Not that he should have gotten out on bail but that poor kid never stood a chance in this world. Both his parents were disgraceful. There is more to this tragic story that we may never know.
Interesting, Father flees family, to start another.
Narcissistic rich people - classic gold-digger.
What a beautiful picture of Barbara and her baby
Whaaaaaat! I'm sick to the stomach😮
Yikes! 😮
How did they know about the incest?
From which source?
I mean,her son could have invented that since he was delusional.
Evidently she confided in friends
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:) Thanks
Sam Green agrees with you.
In those days. psychiatrists blamed the mother for schizoiphrenia. Schizophrenic mother was to blame for the disorder.
She re fused to acknowledge , and deal with his mental health issues, as she did her own. The sone was the only one with mental health problems. She basically allowed herself to be murdered. I’m not trying to be cruel, nor condescending.
Hey guys, this is a very serious question but how does writers/researches really know this was happening in their relationship?
Evil women
Why is Stewart Northcott on the thumbnail?
I wondered this too. I guess the Wineville chicken coop paedophile murderer had the right look for the thumbnail?
Great phrase, “maternal malpractice”.
Script and narration interesting but the constant repetition of the same handful of images is bad. There is way too much similar content out there for this channel to be successful
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Interesting story however what a sicko mother son relationship.
I would spend summer in Switzerland and winters in Spain
Can't fix Evil
This is SICK!!! I need a shower!!!
OK, I just heard the part where the mother is having sex with her son and she thinks that’s gonna help
That is stuff from the pits of hell. It amazes me people who have money think they know everything and they freaking don’t.
Exotic looks?
So...
What's video of @oldmoneyallure will be covered next?
Any ideas?
I read the book called Savage Grace... couldn't put it down. The film was terrific.