Jack Kornfield - How to Overcome Apathy and Find Beautiful Purpose
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Jack Kornfield (@JackKornfield) trained as a Buddhist monk in the monasteries of Thailand, India, and Burma. He has taught meditation internationally since 1974 and is one of the key teachers to introduce Buddhist mindfulness practice to the West. Jack co-founded the Insight Meditation Society in Barre, Massachusetts, with fellow meditation teachers Sharon Salzberg and Joseph Goldstein and the Spirit Rock Center in Woodacre, California. Over the years, Jack has taught worldwide, led international Buddhist teacher meetings, and worked with many of the great teachers of our time. He holds a PhD in clinical psychology and is a grandfather, husband, and activist. Some of his current projects include MMTCP, a worldwide mindfulness teacher training; Cloud Sangha, a site offering access to expert mindfulness teachers online; and a positive impact Wisdom Ventures fund.
His books have been translated into 22 languages and have sold more than 1.5 million copies. They include The Wise Heart: A Guide to the Universal Teachings of Buddhist Psychology; A Path with Heart; After the Ecstasy, the Laundry; Teachings of the Buddha; The Art of Forgiveness, Lovingkindness, and Peace; Bringing Home the Dharma: Awakening Right Where You Are; and his most recent book, No Time Like the Present: Finding Freedom, Love, and Joy Right Where You Are.
Please enjoy!
00:00 Start 🙊
00:03:12 Apathy and polarization
00:04:43 Truth beneath anger
00:19:17 Ajahn Chah and contractor-ese
00:23:18 Retuning the tone of rage
00:29:13 Coping with trauma-induced hypervigilance
00:37:43 Making group therapeutic models work
00:44:11 In any effort to make the world better, put on your oxygen mask first
00:50:39 How can an aspiring Bodhisattva cut through widespread disengagement and apathy?
01:01:46 Thich Nhat Hanh and death
01:13:35 Out-of-body experiences
01:18:27 “A Brief for the Defense”
01:23:12 A guided meditation for recapturing the adventure and joy of childhood
01:38:58 The benefits of loving-kindness meditation
01:48:10 “Last year, foolish monk. This year, no change.”
About Tim Ferriss:
Tim Ferriss is one of Fast Company’s “Most Innovative Business People” and an early-stage tech investor/advisor in Uber, Facebook, Twitter, Shopify, Duolingo, Alibaba, and 50+ other companies. He is also the author of five #1 New York Times and Wall Street Journal bestsellers: The 4-Hour Workweek, The 4-Hour Body, The 4-Hour Chef, Tools of Titans and Tribe of Mentors. The Observer and other media have named him “the Oprah of audio” due to the influence of his podcast, The Tim Ferriss Show, which has exceeded 700 million downloads and been selected for “Best of Apple Podcasts” three years running.
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Thank you, Jack, for being who you are.
Jack , how can you be so wise and so generous .
Thanku to the deep
candor and bravery shared by Tim Ferris .
This is really such a brilliant start to the new week .
Thanku …
Listening to this man talk about the fears, the vulnerability and the pains of us as human beings and how to find a way to find out what is behind our anger, is so therapeutic.
The loneliness epidemic that affects the new generations, so true reflection. Alone in the crowd.
Very compassionate, simple and very open-minded man who does not try to convince anyone but simply wants to share his wisdom.
He is the kind of human being that makes the difference
I love this quote from his book No Time Like The Present: " Eternity is here, always alive in the present moment".
Thanks Tim. Thanks Mr. Kornfield.
hey tim, notice how your tone of voice changes and softness at 1:39:00. to witness you and jack connecting throughout many earphones allover this wild world makes my own old anger melt like ice cream; for that and your generosity i thank you both deeply: i commit to a life beyond apathy, brother 💫
Jack Kornfield is such a beautiful soul, wise and joyful. Thankful for the shared poem, "A Brief for Defense". It was enlightening to listen to both, Jack and Tim. So many gems to ponder on and meditate on.
Jack Gilbert is a wonderful poet.
Profoundly articulate.
Jack Kornfield makes awakening accessible for everyone. Easygoing and fun. Other teachers can become too heady for me. It’s all so simple.
Whenever I come across something that has spiritual meaning like this current podcast, my mind shuts up and i listen and i feel like i give that talk 100% of my guided attention. Something about talking about spirituality and purpose grounds me and makes me feel complete and whole with the universe we all preside in.
I looooooooove Jack Kornfield, and his beloved Trudy, they have been teachers I've listened to for a LONG time. So glad to see him here. If you listen to only ONE of Tim's guests, make it Jack. (Or Sharon Salzburg). These are people with aeons of knowledge, who are trained to pass it on freely. Thanks Tim.
Healing is not an individual matter. Oh my gosh, what a powerful conversation this was. Thank you.
Thank you two for your warm generosity and big heartedness.. You 2 hit the sweet spot together in your care for one another and all of us.
Hey Tim, you may want to invite Stephen Porgess to your show. He can teach you everything about regulating your autonomic nervous system eg with anxiety or hypervigilence. Or Deb Dana, or Galina Denzel. All three are super experts in this field and also very kind and compassionate people. Kind regards from the Netherlands.
Also Julie CANNON daughter of DOLORES CANNON..
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Thank you for talking about anger. I start many days purging it.. and I m beginning to understand... updating..still struggling...need to listen more to the work of Kornfield. Thank-you for this interview Tim Ferris. I love the story of Figureres going to Plum Village and her awakening.
Thank you for this conversation!
This was an excellent podcast worth saving to revisit. Thank you.
Tim back with a banger
Such a kind and compassionate and wise man
Love Jack Kornfield's work, glad you had him on here!
Brilliant.
This was just what I needed. Such encouraging dialogue. Thank you.
Very educational! I like to meet Jack at Spirit Rock.
Listening to Jack is so therapeutic. I'm searching audible for his books now!
Glad stumbled over this discussion ( especially on the last day of 2022 and start of 2023!)! Yes, as I got into meditation 30 years ago just after college, remember one of Jack’s books endorsed my inspiration in establishing the path!
Anger is another emotion, the defense mechanism and the worst, of all emotions ! Once your mindfulness gets established it pings you to pause and let go; or to ask my loved ones when they demonstrate agitation whether it is necessary to react. “Then as Jack said it calms them to a conversational tone immediately! It comes with practice for sure!
Yes. Tim was right we are seeing so many people with reacting angrily unnecessarily unlike any other times ever before! So many in service industries and making it a habit in American society sadly ! ( out of all the cultures)
Glad you are you tubing rather than iPod on invite as easy to access quickly here! It is great to raise awareness as responsible citizens!
Wishing both a Blessed 2023!🎉
I absolutely love the intro song... If it's interrupted, I replay it... I absolutely love it.
The intro format is so neat. Love it
Wonderful, Wonderful, Wonderful!!! Tim I like the way you expose your own questions and weaknesses. This way it helps myself and presume others. Jack makes it all clear in under two hours, some questions and issues I have battled for 65 years.
It's all wrapped up in: "what would love have me do today" not only for our fellow humans and animals, it includes cleaning, piled up dishes or the yard and loving/enjoying it. All the while staying focused in those actions, instead of focussing on lunch.
Jack is my idol. I hope I can be a little bit like him when I am in my 70s
I'm eternally thankful for this episode and topics like these. You have solution for absolutely every fear, pain, doubt humans have, Tim! Kudos to that!
Tim, this is the first time I have come across you and I Must say the immediate feeling is your courage and your authenticity. Thank you!!!!! Love it
This whole podcast was like a Spiritually Transformative Experience for me, and full of beauty. ❤️❤️❤️
I'm not sure this is the first time we have been bombarded by bad news (I came of age during the Vietnam war, Nixon's assault of government and Watergate), but for sure we have more ways to spread the bad news today. I love all your interviews, but this one spoke to me way more than others. Thanks for doing it!
For me, a child of the 60s, the level of constant, blatant mistruths from so-called leaders is at an all-time high. 🤔
Very much needed and the addressing and setting the table in front of us and dealing with everything has so much negativity and trends also to mention Fad's of social media, news also newspaper just has nothing to add for enjoyment. Jack and Sam Harris and you have ways to open the conversation how to deal with this overload to anger and resentment. Thank you again for your guests and yourself with this discussion on today's show 100 percent need it! Take Care Cheers!
Thanks. Excellent interview. Thank Kornfield, felt some much lov and kindness for humanity. Thank You for what you being doing to contribute and recovering souls from those deep sufferings in therapies❤️
Thank you both for your wisdom,sincerity and love.Dealing with a lot of fear and anxiety and find inspiration in your sharings
Wonderful conversation!! Thank you Jack and Tim 🙏🙏🙏
What a beautiful conversation. I really needed this. THANK YOU
I enjoyed watching this video, informative and encouraging. Thanks Tim!
This was excellent, thank you both!
This is golden 🧡
Thank you Tim and Jack❤
So enjoyable. Thank you for this.
You are both invaluable, beautiful souls, thank you so much for sharing wisdom and knowledge of love and healing.
much love from KENYA....LOVE JACK my guru...thanks tim.
What a beautiful person. Very inspiring conversation, thank you
You both are beautiful! Thank you! 😊
I'm glad I came across this video.
During the meditation, I found tears pouring down my face. This was a beautiful experience and I really needed it today.
Beautiful soul
Ahhh what an amazing pairing!!! Cannot wait to watch this :)
Thank you 🙏
I was raised with alcohol, porn and loads of violence/terror. My father, a child of war, was obsessed with fatal car wrecks and in the 60s, cars were veritable tanks, there were no seatbelts, and there was very little crowd control at accident scenes. Dad used to give late-night slide shows of his car crashes and describe in adjective-rich detail exactly what we were looking at. One photograph was of a mangled car in the background, in the foreground was a piece of blue fabric, a little towel or something, covering a bowling-ball sized object. "That's a head, my father explained. "When they pulled this woman's body from what was left of the back seat, her head fell off and rolled over here." He would get melancholy when he talked about the time he saw human brains on fire on the Bay Bridge, but he didn't have his camera with him. I was in elementary school. I used to see a woman's bloody head through the glass door in the oven. Her eyes were closed, but I was always terrified that they'd suddenly open and glare at me--
The universe is on time with this for me. I've been working on anger for years. I have had to work with some trauma that I experienced. Then I worked with a therapist on my stuck energy. I've been working on what I tell myself. Years worth of journals... I'm much better. I really would love to be considered by others and myself as gentle and kind and considerate. I'm falling less short of the mark every day.
You go gurl ♥️
Thank you for expressing this. I'm encouraged in my work with anger. I face it today, Christmas eve...facing my family with all our dysfunction. ❤️
@@lenas5613 I'm letting my adult children go to my parents without me today. Tomorrow my children and i go to a restaurant to celebrate. It gets better from here.
1:18:27 is such an honest and helpful question (unsurprisingly), Tim, and Jack's reply to you is somehow maybe equally amazing (unsurprisingly). Haha. Thank you, both. ✌️♥️
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I had two out of body experiences on accident ! While laying down and I floated out of my body and was able to go down to my kitchen and see my mom cooking and my dad mowing the lawn. I snapped back into my body went downstairs and that’s exactly what was happening ! One thing I noticed when I got sucked back into my body I felt all the pain and suffering feeling of being in the body as I re entered . It was like a magnetic force pulling me back in but I wasn’t happy to come back
Out-of-body experiences are interesting! Every year for several years I would make huge quantities of the best tasting eggnog with four kinds of liquors to serve guests over the holidays. I always made sure I had close to a gallon extra so I could enjoy 3-4 oz every morning. I absolutely loved the taste. After several years of this, one morning around April, I found myself practically galloping down the steps from the bedroom to get my little glass of eggnog when I suddenly found myself OUTSIDE OF MY BODY watching myself galloping down the steps with a sense of desperation for the eggnog. THAT REALLY WOKE ME UP!!! And just as suddenly, I was back in my body - just that fast! I (painfully) poured the remaining eggnog down the kitchen sink drain, rinsed the bottle with hot water... Ooh, that beautiful aroma! And never indulged like that again. That has to be at least 45 yrs ago! Now I can take a tiny taste but not really DRINK alcoholic beverages. I am ever thankful for that wake-up call.
Thanks
Amazing
Hope in the mean time the awareness of the other side of the stories that are told became into mind too..
Love Jack Gilbert and his poem that Jack Kornfield reads @ 1:18. FYI Linda Gregg was a good friend of his and took care of him at the end of life. Jack lived in poverty pretty much, escaped America for Greece and fell in love with life right at the moment he was getting some attention for his poetry.
My first time Tuning in..normally I watch Dolores Cannon (passed) daughter Julie Cannon..
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This was beautiful! I listened to this while I did my laundry and it was so calming and inspiring. I could listen to them talk forever
Anger is good for you with 1 million people watching you
It’s an energy to be what you need to be for the world. Just my opinion of course
What a cool guy!
I love this episode so much
“Joy is a moral obligation”
Blessings you🙏🙏🙏🌿☘️
great wisdom from Jack as slways and humbly delivered as always, & I am prompted to delve into bullfighting terms-I am a speaker of Spanish as my second language and have only known the word “carencia” to mean “lack” or “scarcity.” Bullfighting is not an event I have ever had interest to see or learn about and is pn its way out as a sport and the bullrings of the world will need to be repurposed, with imagination and not despair.
Poetry appreciated
I feel ya Timbo, anger in my family too.
I think anger on itself is difficult but not bad. I think a lot of the polarization people talk about is not touching on grief. Tim- Jack was/is one of my first metta meditation teachers. I recommend getting Francis Weller on to talk about what's underneath the anger and cynicism. He talks about the importance of witnessing collective grief.
Thank you for talking about anger...and its purposes.
I really enjoyed this conversation. I have been working on myself and my heart and stay in the moment and this conversation came to me just at the right time. I heard the words, they spoke to me 💕Thank you
❤ I've tried writing, yet the not-so-bright stole or ruined the Facebook page it was on. Awesome podcast. 😎
I wish you would discuss alcoholism and other addictions
I agree with Tim on societal anger in America today-we’re drowning in it.
Apathy is The American Way, thanks to Business and Madison Ave. We are living in the United States of Apathy. I go to Mexico regularly to get away from it...but it's spread to other countries in a very short time. We've infected the entire world with our apathy and narcissism and I don't see any way to reverse it.
I want to ask a question, why many people avoid to call Peter Levine, or Kathy Kein, or Steven Therell, Laurence Heller? On a subject like anger(helathy agression) vs rage this people know a lot. Tha worse thing possible I belive is to stay imobilized or try to be nice when anger is present. There is a difference between healthy agression which is primar mamalian emotion( fight energy) and the suprresed anger that develops rage. And that is the thing that Peter Levine knows about a lot. I like to watch youre show and I have a lot of rage issues due to early developmental trauma, and tried to do a lot of stuff, when I was introduced to Somatic practicioners SEP, or even one woman that you could check out, her name is Irene Lyon, I didnt realize that imobility(freze) on high level of sympthatetic energy( fight- flee) causes anxiety to even get worse. It is like deep breath, chill out, sit and not move. Anger is one of the biggest energies to work on and it is hard work to do. Keep going do youre great work, and please consider to check out some of the SEP therapists.
Agree. Peter Levine, Irene Lyon are both highly insightful when it comes to somatic therapy and rage or other emotional charges. I believe psychedelic therapy combined with somatic work is key.
knowing something doesn't feel good, then ask yourself why doesn't it feel good. then deal with it alone.then you can communicate effectively because you are caring for yourself. imo.
A.N.G.E.R.
Always Negate Genuine Empathy Righteously
"Dispair is the failure of imagination." brilliant. Einstein said, "Imagination is more important than knowledge." Perhaps in his time there wasn't so much dispair in the world.
Jack has tremors and needs to take things to stop it before it gets worse. Maybe you could help him find the experts
who can help him since he helped you so much.
I think Julie Cannon would be a great source of Connect and Contact in this case..daughter of Dolores Cannon (Dolores passed in 2014)
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"we must admit that there will be music despite everything." -Jack Gilbert
"When you understand correctly, you must embrace joy as a moral obligation." -Andre Gide
Intro was so so so exhausting for us and your guest
58:30 !!!
"The boulder isn't heavy if you don't pick it up."
10:53
Are you an Enneagram 9?
Hey, NONE of this was about overcoming apathy? Whaaa?
I did that brief meditation….sadness
I felt the same thing but complicated sadness.
Tim you can use your anger to manifest phenomenon. Ive manifested phenomenon twice while observing my internalized anger and I wont speak of the first time its pretty unbelievable but the second time the lights started shorting out and flickering in my room. So keep your anger for special occasion, lol…cool right?
You are delusional
Tones of voice are at root of so much of the CPTSD I've been shedding lately. My narcissistic mother had so many of the right ideas, the right words even, when parenting me. Meditation etc has lead me to see this. For years I believed she'd gotten it all wrong with me. What I've discovered is that her tone of voice! Ei!! It just put me on the defensive, she sounded so disgusted, not warmly corrective, that I just could not hear her!!
I am not familiar with Jack but maybe he is cool tho
01:39:00
Drivenness of our culture, materialism etc.- yes. But the larger issue is a complete lack of spiritual grounding. The Judeo-Christian ethic and religious beliefs that deeply informed the entire Western heritage from late Roman times onward? has been ignored or washed away in a few generations. So we are unrooted and unmoored. The children and youth? feel the lack acutely. They seek to fill the void with tech and drugs and recreation or overwork…but nothing can fill the God-shaped hole.
We must rethink our values. Secular materialism is a howling void.
Out of body... I thought this was serious 😖 more illusions instead of less 😞
talk about blue balls...
Came for the life lessons. Stayed for the cotton candy monkey junk.
What on Earth is cotton candy mango junk?
@@lela_x cotton candy *monkey* junk
@@rationalcoder okay what does cotton candy monkey junk mean?
@@lela_x Did you watch the first few seconds of the video?
@@rationalcoder yes 😭 okay I’ll watch again.
"Clean anger".... LOL....if you want to deal with anger read AA's Big Book or listen to Jesus.
Aren't we just discussing Jungian Psychology and the 'shadow'? the Darkside?
I am not sure about him now, he has said nothing new at all
meh.
Who cares? I’ll keep scrolling…
Finally have Hope 4 me ...🦬🔥🪶🔥🦬