A large part of the problem is how our towns and cities are designed because they encourage lonliness and disconnection which is at why now like 40% and 50% go through depression in life, 25% with anxiety, and now we just all tech based and can’t talked over the phone to people today
When he says you need an ethic to contain the excess of maximalist death drive process of life, well every single wisdom tradition includes the concept of restraint. And also the most peaceful societies for the longest periods of time lived according to this tenant. Daniel schmactenberger talks about it in one of his talks. Def check him out. I think we need to integrate all these wisdom traditions into a cross cultural review of wisdom and its consequences and process of adoption in different societies to act as a blue print for this. Plus things like redesigning cities and zoning for more local production with a focus on more durable goods. Like heck create a tax break for durable goods. Like my lodge cast iron pan, I love it for more than just that “it last a life time” but rather after dealing and still working on my traumas it’s like one thing I return to daily, that I get a kick out of because I can actually be CERTAIN, it’s not trying to kill me like plastic products or pfas or any other odd convience product of capitalism has done. And also we need to teach people to lead through ambiguity more and also how to sit at tables with people they hate and reward them for having stronger better conversations for longer. Reward stamina of constructive critical thinking and less presence based persuasion
Another thing too in terms of evolving the family for the better: a large portion of the right wing have anxious attatchments and also grow up with authoritarian parents and the right also has higher rates of ocd dx to. To some degree the family can evolve a bit if more people wake up to both activating sides of protest behaviors and also deactivating avoidant behaviors /immobilized. And then things like polyvagal and nervous system healing are huge for this too. Irene Lyon on TH-cam is good for this. Plus when people feel safer on these attatchment core wound and triggers and also nervous system levels they vote more liberal which is why right wing media is out group fear based and overwhemiming chaos take over to them and contamination based.
Part of the reason between petite bourgeois leftists and working class leftists I think can somewhat be found in the big 5 personality trait openess to experience made up of subfactors of intellect (success in the sciences) and openness(success in the arts). Well the intellect part is an interest in ideas and concepts and is somewhat coorelated with like left brain verbal intelligence being higher. And then openess is about being interested in ones own and others emotional experience of the world. If you put these two together in n my eyes they form a sort of curiosity based systems thinking and getting a high off connections and insights kinda like that old eureka feeling. And in the age of the interwebs this drive can seperate even farther away from the typical conservative which is higher on a trait of both orderliness disgust sensitivity and need for closure and intolerance of ambiguity(ambiguity=lack of clarity of how to meet physical psycho social needs going forward, to point faith in my eyes = a feeling of confidence that this can happen). Basically the more educated left will always have a more developed mental map of the terrain than those who are not as educated, in part because maybe they have higher verbal intelligence (vs non-verbal) and when education gives you more baseline analysis synthesis tools to make sense of things - you will naturally just create a wider divide between you and those that may not either have the temperament or traits or education. It’s not that people can’t learn to learn and ignore tv and learn a lot, it’s that we had the structure to push us when things got overwhelming. So what happens is this thing I tend to think of in science where one can spend a life time just learning all the concepts in bio/psycho/social model of causation. This is seperate from learning how to communicate science to point being a science communicator is a seperate degree one can get. So this is a weakness. And can be done either because of the educational scaffolding not fitting into a persons conversational, social media, etc, attention span, to there is also research about those with high iq’s having harder time communicating with people of more than a standard deviation in iq difference. So those are things to talk about. I do think you idea of talking about “lived experience of Marxist insights” can be helpful as it at least tags it for people and helps them organize their experience. It’s also concrete and sticky way to do it.
It’s almost like we need a single non-profit whose sole job is to facilitate leftist thought and help it progress. Like for most part not create on its own at least under those headings but to do a job of purposely connecting things into a wholistic vision for people and then maybe we can sell our own cereal and shoes lol and send the profits to a charity that improves the world. Plus at this point I’m done with electoral politics, I can think of a million ways to fix it, but the drive to game the system is always there. Which is why I have recently come in like with the idea of sortition. Which was new to me but seems to solve most of our system dynamic problems especially when coupled with things like ideological Turing test
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A large part of the problem is how our towns and cities are designed because they encourage lonliness and disconnection which is at why now like 40% and 50% go through depression in life, 25% with anxiety, and now we just all tech based and can’t talked over the phone to people today
When he says you need an ethic to contain the excess of maximalist death drive process of life, well every single wisdom tradition includes the concept of restraint. And also the most peaceful societies for the longest periods of time lived according to this tenant. Daniel schmactenberger talks about it in one of his talks. Def check him out. I think we need to integrate all these wisdom traditions into a cross cultural review of wisdom and its consequences and process of adoption in different societies to act as a blue print for this. Plus things like redesigning cities and zoning for more local production with a focus on more durable goods. Like heck create a tax break for durable goods. Like my lodge cast iron pan, I love it for more than just that “it last a life time” but rather after dealing and still working on my traumas it’s like one thing I return to daily, that I get a kick out of because I can actually be CERTAIN, it’s not trying to kill me like plastic products or pfas or any other odd convience product of capitalism has done. And also we need to teach people to lead through ambiguity more and also how to sit at tables with people they hate and reward them for having stronger better conversations for longer. Reward stamina of constructive critical thinking and less presence based persuasion
Another thing too in terms of evolving the family for the better: a large portion of the right wing have anxious attatchments and also grow up with authoritarian parents and the right also has higher rates of ocd dx to. To some degree the family can evolve a bit if more people wake up to both activating sides of protest behaviors and also deactivating avoidant behaviors /immobilized. And then things like polyvagal and nervous system healing are huge for this too. Irene Lyon on TH-cam is good for this. Plus when people feel safer on these attatchment core wound and triggers and also nervous system levels they vote more liberal which is why right wing media is out group fear based and overwhemiming chaos take over to them and contamination based.
Part of the reason between petite bourgeois leftists and working class leftists I think can somewhat be found in the big 5 personality trait openess to experience made up of subfactors of intellect (success in the sciences) and openness(success in the arts). Well the intellect part is an interest in ideas and concepts and is somewhat coorelated with like left brain verbal intelligence being higher. And then openess is about being interested in ones own and others emotional experience of the world. If you put these two together in n my eyes they form a sort of curiosity based systems thinking and getting a high off connections and insights kinda like that old eureka feeling. And in the age of the interwebs this drive can seperate even farther away from the typical conservative which is higher on a trait of both orderliness disgust sensitivity and need for closure and intolerance of ambiguity(ambiguity=lack of clarity of how to meet physical psycho social needs going forward, to point faith in my eyes = a feeling of confidence that this can happen). Basically the more educated left will always have a more developed mental map of the terrain than those who are not as educated, in part because maybe they have higher verbal intelligence (vs non-verbal) and when education gives you more baseline analysis synthesis tools to make sense of things - you will naturally just create a wider divide between you and those that may not either have the temperament or traits or education. It’s not that people can’t learn to learn and ignore tv and learn a lot, it’s that we had the structure to push us when things got overwhelming. So what happens is this thing I tend to think of in science where one can spend a life time just learning all the concepts in bio/psycho/social model of causation. This is seperate from learning how to communicate science to point being a science communicator is a seperate degree one can get. So this is a weakness. And can be done either because of the educational scaffolding not fitting into a persons conversational, social media, etc, attention span, to there is also research about those with high iq’s having harder time communicating with people of more than a standard deviation in iq difference. So those are things to talk about. I do think you idea of talking about “lived experience of Marxist insights” can be helpful as it at least tags it for people and helps them organize their experience. It’s also concrete and sticky way to do it.
It’s almost like we need a single non-profit whose sole job is to facilitate leftist thought and help it progress. Like for most part not create on its own at least under those headings but to do a job of purposely connecting things into a wholistic vision for people and then maybe we can sell our own cereal and shoes lol and send the profits to a charity that improves the world. Plus at this point I’m done with electoral politics, I can think of a million ways to fix it, but the drive to game the system is always there. Which is why I have recently come in like with the idea of sortition. Which was new to me but seems to solve most of our system dynamic problems especially when coupled with things like ideological Turing test