@@barbthegreat586Steuern zahlt man immer und ausschließlich an den Staat, an niemandem sonst (sonst heißt es Gebühr oder Beitrag oder Anteil). Was der Staat damit macht, ist eine andere Sache.
Why would you get baptized, if you are not religious? That's just silly. Since baptism is specifically to welcome you to the church. And if you want to get married in the church, they'll totally let you, you'll just get baptized first and you can do it at the same ceremony if you want to. about the funeral. They are pretty helpful, even without church membership, coz they are still responsible for burying the dead, no matter what their beliefs are. I just went through it with my dad.
@@doggytheanarchist7876 Not true. As a Dane This is not true. When you get baptized you also is giving a name. If you pay you church tax you do it in the church, otherwise on the majors office. If you think it is silly, is your problem but that’s the way it works in Denmark You cant get a Church funeral if you don’t pay the church tax. You can get a funeral, but it is often in the chapel and they don’t belong to the church, so you get buried on the unknowns graveyard. You can’t get married in the church either, but married at the majors office. You don’t get baptized you just get a name at the state office. So if you don’t pay church tax, you don’t get any things from the clubs membership. How do you know? I am working for the church as a digger :)
Recent Catholic convert here. In my parish we can register to give a monthly donation, no amount set, it's what you can afford to give and in the beginning of the year you get a tax receipt for a deduction in your income tax. Yes you need to pay for weddings and baptism. The parish is also an institution and needs to pay for its bills, if you are christian you should have no problem with this,before Jesus people would give their payment with coins and with the blood of lambs.
@@insulanerin7601 Denomination isn't the right word. It's not only Christians, Jews also pay church tax. Members of Islam could pay, but they decided to stay out of that system. Also, you need an organization structure beyond regional. Most Baptist churches are Freikirchen, which refuse such a strict organization system and emphasize their independence (from big churches as well as the state/government).
It's sad if it's true. As somebody who isn't German, Idk how much of this is true, but religious or not, one gotta admit: being promised that you can do something you truly enjoy and love freely, then being forced to pay for it... isn't really free. This applies for not only just religion, but anything.
You actually have the choice in school to either have religion or "ethics". Where you will also learn a lot about different religions, and its all in all a very annoying subject.
As someone born and raised all my life in a Christian home and going to a Christian school and attending church every Sunday now an agnostic, this is correct.
Regardless where I live, a relationship with God is very important to me. And that includes attending church service regularly. I'm protestant and live in America.
For Germans there is a great difference between the words religion and belief (at least we had a 30 years war about it). Also Immanuel Kant was writing in German and He was more or less the reason why people started to question the church/religion in general. But that is a part of the German past, which people have no real interest in anymore.
It's interesting really how we Denmark in my case, but germany too, have state religions, but it's not something that really matters to most ppl. You never see public prayer or a politician who use Christianity to argue for something. But in the US there's a specific separation of church and state, but in Praxis there's religion on absolutely everything. I saw an episode on topmodel US many years ago. One girl is an atheist and the rest of the group is baffled, some even horrified and they ask her many questions. In an episode of a Danish reality show, 1 person was religious and the rest of the group was curious and asked them many questions. So like a complete opposite
I lived in Germany from 72 to 96. I went to church a few times on base as 😮a kid but that was it. We never went to church as a family and my dad was raised very religious. He even went to a Christian school. We did say a prayer before eating but never discussed religion. 😅
"religion" being taught in school isn't inherently bad... I'd argue, if you're ACTUALLY teaching it, then it's a good thing. learning any historical complexities about the major world religions will give you a skeptical mindset of em overall (its how i became atheist). im guessing that's why they kept that stuff in AP World History, in the US
In elementary school it starts mostly with "what are the stories in the Bible". But we also learned about Jehovas Witnesses ( and why they are wrong ), about Rajneesh ( and why he was wrong ), and Scientology ( and why they are wrong - you get the picture ).
It's not a good thing to turn people away from religion as the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Socially, mentally, physically, and spiritually this is true.
Well Christianity was a big part in history, but after about the end of the Holy Roman Empire, the power of the churches crumbled. And especially in the Eastern part and former GDR, the government tried to get rid of the Churches as much as possible. And the big difference between Germany or Western Europe as a whole and the USA is, that most of the religious Christian extremists had to leave the western European countries from the 16th century onward and they went East in Europe or to another continent. And 9% church tax sounds a lot, but it is 9% (in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg 8%) of the income taxes, so not that much. So if you get 2500,-€ / month and pay 228,-€ income tax, you will pay 18,24€/month church tax (in Bavaria or Baden-Württemberg) or 20,52€/month in the rest of Germany.
@@reinhard8053 The services of the religious institution (church, mosque, synagogue, etc) is generally often important to practicing the religion itself
Es sind ja nicht die Religionsgesellschaften (so heißen sie in der Verfassung), sondern der Staat, der die Steuern erhebt. Daß die Kirchen einen Teil abbekommen, ist eine andere Sache.
The church Tax helps maintain structure and historical value of the churches. I would join a church just to help rebuild the churches when they needed it 🤷♀️
I assume it's similar to Sweden in that regard that we get baptized more for tradition and naming of the baby than anything else, and the majority are atheists.
I life in a big city and nearly anyone I know, including me is basically an atheist. That makes me really happy. Religion really shouldn't have a place in a modern society.
Everyone who IS A MEMBER of an officially recognized religious group automatically gets a percentage of their monthly wage taken from their paycheck. Thus, if you aren't a member of a religious community, you don't have to pay a church tax. It's like a tithe essentially, don't have to pay if you aren't a part of the church.
That's really sad. As somebody who isn't German, Idk how much of this is true, but religious or not, one gotta admit: being promised that you can do something you truly enjoy and love freely, then being forced to pay for it... isn't really free. This applies for not only just religion, but anything. I find it very miserable people are arguing against this point in the other comments, like guys just because you aren't religious doesn't mean those who are and are happy in their religion should not be.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 Yuo can practice what you want. You can even make up your own church (and don't pay taxes). But if you are with one of the official churches, you pay for their service.
Yes if you leave church the tax is no longer present but be carefull: There are some rare professions that require that you are Part of a faith. Its rare.
Most Benefits the german churches enjoy come from the reunification. Germany could actually pay them out but...no goverment until now was brave enough to do so - its a high amount....which we payed several times over until now...
It’s sad to see that Germany is asking religious people to pay tax just to be in the church. That’s where so many people would not know the love that Jesus has for us all because of money😢
we still pay for the paychecks of bishops and cardinals, since they are paid by the state, not from the church tax, which still makes a lot of people, who don't want their tax money to go to the church angry, because even after quitting church, you still pay them...
Being another American in Germany, I loved learning about Roland in Bremen! He protects the City but from what?....Notice his statue faces the church!😛
Roland is protecting what he loves most. His God and city. The church is the center of the city. He thanks God for his freedom and the freedom of his “place”. Maybe take his advice "Freedom I do manifest to you which Karl and many noblemen indeed have given to this place. For this thank God, that is my advice."
@@wetdog5299 how does he protect God by facing the church? When guarding that which you love in such a way one must face the enemy. Loving your God to point of wanting the Church to command the Land is not a Land for the people. You can believe what you want but I believe Roland wanted Bremen for the people. Wars are fought because of your God. I will not thank God for anything.
@@wetdog5299 at least he was real. But I notice you have only taken Information from the Wikipedia Page so I will add this from it.... "The statue was carved in limestone from the Elm, and was commissioned by the city fathers to replace a wooden one burnt in 1366 by Prince-Archbishop Albert II. It confronts the church as a representation of city rights opposed to the territorial claims of the prince-archbishop" Argue his religious beliefs or defend yours all you want. He protects the City from enemies that included the church.
Me too. Christianity is a great honour and joy for me, and I have been happy ever since I've had it. I am here to wish to all reading my great joy and happiness, no matter what your situation is. Much love and Glory to Christ! As somebody who isn't German, Idk how much of this is true, but religious or not, one gotta admit: being promised that you can do something you truly enjoy and love freely, then being forced to pay for it... isn't really free. This applies for not only just religion, but anything. I find it very miserable people are arguing against this point in the other comments, like guys just because you aren't religious doesn't mean those who are and are happy in their religion should not be.
Glaube an das Evangelium, um gerettet zu werden 1. Korinther 15, 1-4: „Ich erinnere euch aber, liebe Brüder, an das Evangelium, das ich euch verkündigt habe, das auch ihr angenommen habt, in dem ihr fest steht. Durch das Evangelium werdet ihr auch gerettet, wenn ihr festhaltet, was ich euch verkündigt habe; es sei denn, dass ihr vergeblich geglaubt habt. Denn ich habe euch als Erstes weitergegeben, was ich auch empfangen habe: dass Christus für unsere Sünden gestorben ist, gemäß der Schrift; und dass er begraben wurde und dass er am dritten Tag auferstand, gemäß der Schrift.“
It’s the same here in Slovenia.. a.k.a. the Slavic Austria. 55% of the population was catholic in 2002, but I only know a couple of people that go to church regularly... religion isn’t that much of an importance.
@@FactionalSkysince you can decide yourself if you want to pay it or not, it literally is voluntary. Isnt that the definition of voluntary? My english isnt very good, I might missunderstand "voluntary" in this context.
@@rsauce6343 you can't decide if you want to pay or not. It's mandatory if you are member of a religion that does tax. You can ofc. decide whether or not you want to be or stay a member.
church tax is only "automatic" if your parents forced you to a confession as a child, also religion is taught in school only if you want to! check your facts
the germans going to the us where radical republicans ........... they where a core composition in pushing for the abolition of slavery and the extension of democracy (in the beginning only landowners could vote in the us)
Only some were Christian, and the others were most deist. And all the founding fathers ignored their religion, and committed to a secular nation, something which was never a thing in theocratic nations.
@@abel3557 That's generally considered a myth, but just to make you poor young soul happy, I'm not going to bother to argue with somebody who doesn't do their research. Just, please keep to yourself and don't mould an entire country's history just to match with your values!
@@cerebrummaximus3762 The only time the new world settlements were Christian was when the 13 colonies belonged to the British empire. Jefferson - (I)t does me no injury for my neighbor to believe in twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.” The misconception that the U.S. was founded on Christian beliefs was due to the evangelist of the time trying to spread Christianity after the French revolution led to a rise in atheism and religion was being ridiculed. After this period, the disestablishment of of religion was rising, and the U.S. became the first nation to abolish religious disqualifications from office holding. The founding fathers all collectively agreed that religion would corrupt the state, despite some of their religious beliefs.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 There is a reason Jefferson stated "their" creator rather than "our" creator. The nation was the first to be accepting of the religions of other people. It was religious freedom that they valued more. They never once stated that the nation was Christian.
If you register in Germany as a follower of other spiritual faiths( ie not atheist) are you taxed by the state with your funds going to that faith? (NB this is because I'm interested,not because I want to be antagonistic!)
Look, this is YT shorts and unless you strike popularity or the creators comment often, it's unlikely your comment will get answered. You might as well google this question, rather than asking a comment on the edge of okay-offensive, and then adding an "I meant it in a good way" label (which I really respect, if I am honest). I am not sure, but as far as I recall this applies to all religion, but you'll have to Google it. Either way, it's sad people are promised "freedom" to practice their religion - or anything that gives you joy, really, my point applies to anything - and then being penalised for it; that's isn't freedom!
You only get taxed by sertain big religious groups. The biggest to be specific. You can just go to a different Christian branch and not pay it but you can also just leave since no one will ask you if you are a member or not. There are only 3 reasons why you would want to be a church member outside of your faith: A) sertain Jobs require a faith (rare) B) you want to get married In a church C) you die and your family wants to have a Pastor for the funeral.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 you'll forgive those of us 20th century types who like to ask questions at source, rather than pander the 'JUST GOOGLE IT!' attitude. When I grew up, google sounded like a large number (googol)!
I live in Turkey. Here religion is more important than Germany. We don't have a day which everything got closed, but we have two religious holidays. One holiday is 3, other is 4 days long but generally they extend the holiday to weekend. Government is obsessed with religion but our constitution is strictly secular, so we see a lot of religious classes etc (and their numbers are ever increasig because of the religion obsessed government) but we have no religious tax etc(because we have a strict secular constitution). 90 percent of population attend to a religion. The statistics are varying, but the non believing population increases. 44 percent go to a mosque every week, and 27 percent performs daily ritualistic prayer. 23 percent never go to a mosque, and 84 percent fast during Ramadan. The statistics however, are not very clear in that sense. 58 percent of the woman wears an islamic weil, however in young generation it is 36 percent. I can't say the religion is dying in Turkey, but it became less and less important. Especially among the young, educated City-living people. For farmers, villagers and people in small cities the religion is more important, farmer population was about 50 percent at 1980, now it is 19 percent and it is expected to go down to 5 percent in near future. People, especially the educated ones are leaving anatolian towns and villages for Western metropols. I expect the religious population of Turkey to go down significantly in the next decades
@@Deoka4732 it depends. I do think like that, but I might be ideologically blind. For the people in my close cycle, yes, for older generation it is important. But there are 80 million people and when I try to know more people, I see younger people going to mosques daily. But statisticaly, religion is losing ground.
In my country, everyone is born Roman Catholic on their Birth Certificates, but practise other faiths😂 it's due to if you are RC your papers are processed much faster.
Church tax in Germany is a means of compensation for the secularisation losses in the 19th century towards the Catholic and Protestant churches. Since Islam was never secularized in Germany, compensation tax doesn't apply to them.
@@thefurbeastunderyourbed5012 Actually, the compensation is paid on top by the state. The state still pays the wages of some church staff from regular taxes.
It's not automatic you have to add it when you register, but you can just put no religion there... If you are not religious type to need to go to church and just believe in God it's all the same. I am atheist so that was easy.
@@Alexseya With mobile phones it is quite difficult not to have an opportunity to have Internet, even if there are some places in Germany which are really off the grid. So there is no physical "Anschluss" needed. And TV comes over the air all the time.
It's 9% of income tax, not of the income itself. So if you earn 2500€/Month before tax it's 20,52€/month in church tax, but if you earn 25000€/Month church tax is 823,52€/month.
Its simple, you fill out a formula,went to your lokal council house( the german Rathaus, dont know the right translation) pay a fine for the aministrating act and you are free!
Germany isn't very religious anymore but the free Sunday gives people a free day to relax and meet friends. Except people working in hospitals or restaurants and such. Open shops would mean, many employees wouldn't get this.
Depends which kind of Christian or non-christian you are. Baptist, new apostolic church, jehovas whitnes, mormons, orthodox etc are Christian but do not pay church tax. While some members of Judaism pay taxes (agin the non orthodox as far as I know). Members of Islam do not pay church tax, because their religious leaders choose not to get involved in that system. So there is a possibility in the fututre if their leaders change their minds. If you have no religion you for don't pay anything.
Depends. There also is a church tax for jews in some areas. And it does not depend on being christian but what is on the paper. So if your parents decided to make you a member of a certain church you will pay the tax untill you did declare your exit.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 You are the liar ... do you have any idea what it costs to maintain historic buildings? And why would it cost money to get support from politicians when many of them are members of the church anyway?
It's used to maintain the churches and pay priests and Cardinals. I personally think the state should take the churches as historic landmarks and maintain them
Blödsinn. Du must nicht vorgeben ein Atheist zu sein wenn du keine Kirchensteuer mehr zahlen willst. Niemand fragt dich beim Austritt ob du nicht mehr an Gott glaubst....
A friend asked me several times why I'm still in church as we lost one free holiday lately (which was special for this church). And I'm not really religious.
I'd say that most leave the major churches not because of tax but because of the child abuses that have been discovered the last decades and the way the churches, specially the Catholic, deals with it.
Yep! Religious or not, you got to admit, this really isn't fair. Imagine being told you can do something you really love and enjoy freely, and then being penalised for it.
@@myster5y This applies to anything in general. If you are promised "freedom" to religion or anything you enjoy really, and then getting penalised for it, it's not freedom.
@@arnodobler1096is that for all churches? Can a Christian who just wants somewhere to worship with fellow believers not just start their own church or would that be subject to the tax as well?
I had to take religion at first in school, and it was really, really, boring annoying and just... Idk don't have any use, except you wanted to become religion subject teacher or something, to finally change from religion to ethics, my mom made up some kind of story, that my family already left the church, and didn't want any religion to affect their child. An like, I know dozens of people, and only like 1 of them is somewhat religious
If it eases your concerns a student can choose if they want to take protestant, catholic or philiosophy/ethics class. I switched around through all three options in school depending which teachers been assigned that year. It doesn't matter which religion you belong to.
@@pub652 I bet you have the same opinion on black people, women, and minorities. If you don't, you have no right to be disrespectful to anybody. Respect is a virtue.
Religion has shaped most of the world’s history, culture, conflicts, legal framework, societal structure. It is very much a “here and now” aspect of life.
Hello Mr r/Ihavereddit, life is very enjoyable when the research one does is minimal? Very sad Christians, Muslims and other religious have built the foundations of modern science, how dare we!
I agree! Can you imagine a World where all the money and work that went into religions went into whats actually beneficial to people? Yes , our history and developement seems to cover the importance of churches/religions, but thats no proof of that ir was a necassity. Human developement is possible and way more humanistic without religion.
@RamsayBolton13 What book is that? If you say it is the Bible, please provide references from the book so I can explain the context to you. The Bible isn't a light read, and it usually needs explanations. I'll answer every question I can.
Church tax is not 9% of the income, it's 9% of the income TAX
And its definitely not "automatic". As long as you are not official in the katholic or evangelic church, you dont have to pay church tax.
@@jessicaeggert21 Well yeah, usually upon birth your parents can enter you into a church and then you have to deregister once you are 18.
Why citizen needs to pay this church tax.
@@nikunjkavadia It's part of being in the church. They pay the staff, buildings, etc from that.
@@Chronologist89 Thats right, but If you weren't registered at birth or at any other time you don't have to pay church tax.
Leaving church does not mean „leaving religion“, but to avoid the high church taxes in times of high inflation, food prices, etc.
KATHOLIZISMUS/CAUTOLO=ALTH.IRRLEHRE, LÜGE, VERDUMMUNG, DUMM.
Europe real religion=Islam
You can't avoid this tax. If you aren't religious, you have to pay this tax to someone else, e.g., secular charities.
Die Steuer war dazu gedacht, den Deutschen die Religion zu vergällen. Bismarck wußte, was er tat, und sein Gift wirkt noch heute.
@@barbthegreat586Steuern zahlt man immer und ausschließlich an den Staat, an niemandem sonst (sonst heißt es Gebühr oder Beitrag oder Anteil). Was der Staat damit macht, ist eine andere Sache.
In Denmark you can also say no to the church tax, but then you can’t get married, baptized or get a funeral in the church. It is like a membership
Why would you get baptized, if you are not religious? That's just silly. Since baptism is specifically to welcome you to the church.
And if you want to get married in the church, they'll totally let you, you'll just get baptized first and you can do it at the same ceremony if you want to.
about the funeral. They are pretty helpful, even without church membership, coz they are still responsible for burying the dead, no matter what their beliefs are.
I just went through it with my dad.
@@doggytheanarchist7876 Not true. As a Dane This is not true.
When you get baptized you also is giving a name. If you pay you church tax you do it in the church, otherwise on the majors office. If you think it is silly, is your problem but that’s the way it works in Denmark
You cant get a Church funeral if you don’t pay the church tax. You can get a funeral, but it is often in the chapel and they don’t belong to the church, so you get buried on the unknowns graveyard.
You can’t get married in the church either, but married at the majors office.
You don’t get baptized you just get a name at the state office.
So if you don’t pay church tax, you don’t get any things from the clubs membership.
How do you know?
I am working for the church as a digger :)
Wasn't really made clear here, but in germany the tax is only if you are a member of the church, and I think the same restrictions apply.
Well of course not
Yes, it's the exact same in Germany
Recent Catholic convert here. In my parish we can register to give a monthly donation, no amount set, it's what you can afford to give and in the beginning of the year you get a tax receipt for a deduction in your income tax.
Yes you need to pay for weddings and baptism. The parish is also an institution and needs to pay for its bills, if you are christian you should have no problem with this,before Jesus people would give their payment with coins and with the blood of lambs.
9% church tax? Who told you that lol
Automatic deduction in your income tax if you declare on you registered paper that your catholic/Christian/.. Etc.. Law in Germany
@@joetan2653 Only for certain big denominations. Baptists for example just give to their church, without the state being involved.
It’s 9% of income tax. Not 9% of income
@@insulanerin7601 Denomination isn't the right word. It's not only Christians, Jews also pay church tax. Members of Islam could pay, but they decided to stay out of that system.
Also, you need an organization structure beyond regional. Most Baptist churches are Freikirchen, which refuse such a strict organization system and emphasize their independence (from big churches as well as the state/government).
It's sad if it's true. As somebody who isn't German, Idk how much of this is true, but religious or not, one gotta admit: being promised that you can do something you truly enjoy and love freely, then being forced to pay for it... isn't really free. This applies for not only just religion, but anything.
You actually have the choice in school to either have religion or "ethics". Where you will also learn a lot about different religions, and its all in all a very annoying subject.
Let's be honest, in most schools this choice doesn't exist and you will just be put in some random class
@@holycaketree It's exactly the same in Spain, kids who chose ethics will just be in a random room partying with no teacher
Bro it depends from school to school i have for example philosopy
@@Kailo43 Ethics, philosophy, same stuff, different name.
So you have ethics, and where ethics come from classes
American are by far the most religious Westerners.
also the dumbest
As someone born and raised all my life in a Christian home and going to a Christian school and attending church every Sunday now an agnostic, this is correct.
amen brother ☦️🇺🇸🇺🇸
Regardless where I live, a relationship with God is very important to me. And that includes attending church service regularly. I'm protestant and live in America.
Yeah thats why I Like Americans
For Germans there is a great difference between the words religion and belief (at least we had a 30 years war about it). Also Immanuel Kant was writing in German and He was more or less the reason why people started to question the church/religion in general. But that is a part of the German past, which people have no real interest in anymore.
It's interesting really how we Denmark in my case, but germany too, have state religions, but it's not something that really matters to most ppl. You never see public prayer or a politician who use Christianity to argue for something.
But in the US there's a specific separation of church and state, but in Praxis there's religion on absolutely everything.
I saw an episode on topmodel US many years ago. One girl is an atheist and the rest of the group is baffled, some even horrified and they ask her many questions.
In an episode of a Danish reality show, 1 person was religious and the rest of the group was curious and asked them many questions.
So like a complete opposite
Bro, atheists are one of the most hated group in the US right after Satanist.
This is just one exemple why the US is a 3rd World country.
In Germany this is also due to what the church has achieved in the last few decades. Only scandals!
I lived in Germany from 72 to 96. I went to church a few times on base as 😮a kid but that was it. We never went to church as a family and my dad was raised very religious. He even went to a Christian school. We did say a prayer before eating but never discussed religion. 😅
"religion" being taught in school isn't inherently bad... I'd argue, if you're ACTUALLY teaching it, then it's a good thing. learning any historical complexities about the major world religions will give you a skeptical mindset of em overall (its how i became atheist). im guessing that's why they kept that stuff in AP World History, in the US
Still better than teaching Lqbtq
@@LordOfChaos.xBro, I thought the absolute same thing 🤝🏼🫶🏼🫡
@@LordOfChaos.xlol you scared of gay people
In elementary school it starts mostly with "what are the stories in the Bible". But we also learned about Jehovas Witnesses ( and why they are wrong ), about Rajneesh ( and why he was wrong ), and Scientology ( and why they are wrong - you get the picture ).
It's not a good thing to turn people away from religion as the benefits far outweigh the negatives. Socially, mentally, physically, and spiritually this is true.
Well Christianity was a big part in history, but after about the end of the Holy Roman Empire, the power of the churches crumbled.
And especially in the Eastern part and former GDR, the government tried to get rid of the Churches as much as possible.
And the big difference between Germany or Western Europe as a whole and the USA is, that most of the religious Christian extremists had to leave the western European countries from the 16th century onward and they went East in Europe or to another continent.
And 9% church tax sounds a lot, but it is 9% (in Bavaria and Baden-Württemberg 8%) of the income taxes, so not that much.
So if you get 2500,-€ / month and pay 228,-€ income tax, you will pay 18,24€/month church tax (in Bavaria or Baden-Württemberg) or 20,52€/month in the rest of Germany.
Well I don't think secular country should have these type of taxation
@@nikunjkavadiaIt's not a mandatory tax of you are not part of a church
@@ravioli0239 Being "free" to practice any religion, and then being essentially penalised is not freedom.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 You can practice any religion, but you can't use the "services" of the church.
@@reinhard8053 The services of the religious institution (church, mosque, synagogue, etc) is generally often important to practicing the religion itself
Btw the Church taxes it's members in many European countries including Germany if u didn't know, so if u want a tax cut just leave the church.
Another example of tyranny in Europe.
Es sind ja nicht die Religionsgesellschaften (so heißen sie in der Verfassung), sondern der Staat, der die Steuern erhebt. Daß die Kirchen einen Teil abbekommen, ist eine andere Sache.
The church Tax helps maintain structure and historical value of the churches. I would join a church just to help rebuild the churches when they needed it 🤷♀️
I assume it's similar to Sweden in that regard that we get baptized more for tradition and naming of the baby than anything else, and the majority are atheists.
Well then I dont Like Sweden. Yk Angela Merkel? Shes from CDU (Christian Democratic Union) and thats also The Party with Most voters
@@peterlemcwilli9203 that's messed up
I life in a big city and nearly anyone I know, including me is basically an atheist. That makes me really happy. Religion really shouldn't have a place in a modern society.
Athiesm = religion
@@emerybraun4698atheism is a Lack of Religion.
@@emerybraun4698 wut ?
thats like "me not collecting stamps for fun = me has hobby"
Everyone who IS A MEMBER of an officially recognized religious group automatically gets a percentage of their monthly wage taken from their paycheck. Thus, if you aren't a member of a religious community, you don't have to pay a church tax. It's like a tithe essentially, don't have to pay if you aren't a part of the church.
So they are still religious but don't belong to a religion?
That's really sad. As somebody who isn't German, Idk how much of this is true, but religious or not, one gotta admit: being promised that you can do something you truly enjoy and love freely, then being forced to pay for it... isn't really free. This applies for not only just religion, but anything. I find it very miserable people are arguing against this point in the other comments, like guys just because you aren't religious doesn't mean those who are and are happy in their religion should not be.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 Yuo can practice what you want. You can even make up your own church (and don't pay taxes). But if you are with one of the official churches, you pay for their service.
Isn’t church tax optional? Like can opt out or not pay is if you move to the country
Yes if you leave church the tax is no longer present but be carefull:
There are some rare professions that require that you are Part of a faith.
Its rare.
Die Mehrwertsteuer ist auch nicht optional.
Most Benefits the german churches enjoy come from the reunification. Germany could actually pay them out but...no goverment until now was brave enough to do so - its a high amount....which we payed several times over until now...
It’s sad to see that Germany is asking religious people to pay tax just to be in the church. That’s where so many people would not know the love that Jesus has for us all because of money😢
we still pay for the paychecks of bishops and cardinals, since they are paid by the state, not from the church tax, which still makes a lot of people, who don't want their tax money to go to the church angry, because even after quitting church, you still pay them...
Being another American in Germany, I loved learning about Roland in Bremen! He protects the City but from what?....Notice his statue faces the church!😛
Roland is protecting what he loves most. His God and city. The church is the center of the city. He thanks God for his freedom and the freedom of his “place”. Maybe take his advice
"Freedom I do manifest to you which Karl and many noblemen indeed have given to this place. For this thank God, that is my advice."
@@wetdog5299 how does he protect God by facing the church? When guarding that which you love in such a way one must face the enemy. Loving your God to point of wanting the Church to command the Land is not a Land for the people. You can believe what you want but I believe Roland wanted Bremen for the people.
Wars are fought because of your God. I will not thank God for anything.
@@ericderami sure. Roland, a Catholic Paladin who fought wars for the Holy Roman Emperor Charlemagne can be your Anti-religion hero.
@@wetdog5299 at least he was real. But I notice you have only taken Information from the Wikipedia Page so I will add this from it.... "The statue was carved in limestone from the Elm, and was commissioned by the city fathers to replace a wooden one burnt in 1366 by Prince-Archbishop Albert II. It confronts the church as a representation of city rights opposed to the territorial claims of the prince-archbishop"
Argue his religious beliefs or defend yours all you want. He protects the City from enemies that included the church.
@@ericderami you see the church as an enemy. The most central institution to the city and its people is not the enemy 😂😂😂
God is my savior. I am growing closer with him every day.
Religion is not - has never been - important to me.
God is good, religion is suck👍🏼
Religion (my faith) is very important. I no desire to leave the Christian life or the Catholic faith.
me too i have been officially christian methodist episcopal since i was 19. grew up in a non religious household
By all measures, having faith is better than not having it. People try and dissuade others from the good word, but we need to keep going as well.
Amen!
Well I think must peoples problems are not about the beliefs but the church as an Organisation..
Me too. Christianity is a great honour and joy for me, and I have been happy ever since I've had it. I am here to wish to all reading my great joy and happiness, no matter what your situation is. Much love and Glory to Christ!
As somebody who isn't German, Idk how much of this is true, but religious or not, one gotta admit: being promised that you can do something you truly enjoy and love freely, then being forced to pay for it... isn't really free. This applies for not only just religion, but anything. I find it very miserable people are arguing against this point in the other comments, like guys just because you aren't religious doesn't mean those who are and are happy in their religion should not be.
Christianity spielt eine bellangvoll roll in Deutschland ,darum ist es eine sicher land
Glaube an das Evangelium, um gerettet zu werden
1. Korinther 15, 1-4: „Ich erinnere euch aber, liebe Brüder, an das Evangelium, das ich euch verkündigt habe, das auch ihr angenommen habt, in dem ihr fest steht. Durch das Evangelium werdet ihr auch gerettet, wenn ihr festhaltet, was ich euch verkündigt habe; es sei denn, dass ihr vergeblich geglaubt habt. Denn ich habe euch als Erstes weitergegeben, was ich auch empfangen habe: dass Christus für unsere Sünden gestorben ist, gemäß der Schrift; und dass er begraben wurde und dass er am dritten Tag auferstand, gemäß der Schrift.“
It’s the same here in Slovenia.. a.k.a. the Slavic Austria. 55% of the population was catholic in 2002, but I only know a couple of people that go to church regularly... religion isn’t that much of an importance.
In canada most dont attend church
Though there are a load of churches lying around.
*HUMANISM*
Church tax is voluntary.
Not rly no.
@@FactionalSky I am german, I live in germany, I dont pay church tax
@@rsauce6343 but it's not voluntary. 🤷♂️
@@FactionalSkysince you can decide yourself if you want to pay it or not, it literally is voluntary. Isnt that the definition of voluntary? My english isnt very good, I might missunderstand "voluntary" in this context.
@@rsauce6343 you can't decide if you want to pay or not. It's mandatory if you are member of a religion that does tax. You can ofc. decide whether or not you want to be or stay a member.
I live in atheist heaven: Belgium! ❤😎
church tax is only "automatic" if your parents forced you to a confession as a child, also religion is taught in school only if you want to! check your facts
Yeah she always shares missinformation.
Like the Video about names in germany, completly filled with bs.
Was haben jetzt die Sakramente damit zu tun? Und Kinder pflegen auch sehr selten Lohnsteuer zu zahlen.
@@jrgptr935 lern bitte erstmal Deutsch bevor du dich an Englisch versuchst. Danke.
Cause churches got a huge lobby
American was founded by religious fundamentalists from the UK and Germany so yeah.
the germans going to the us
where radical republicans ...........
they where a core composition in pushing for the abolition of slavery and the extension of democracy (in the beginning only landowners could vote in the us)
Only some were Christian, and the others were most deist.
And all the founding fathers ignored their religion, and committed to a secular nation, something which was never a thing in theocratic nations.
@@abel3557 That's generally considered a myth, but just to make you poor young soul happy, I'm not going to bother to argue with somebody who doesn't do their research. Just, please keep to yourself and don't mould an entire country's history just to match with your values!
@@cerebrummaximus3762 The only time the new world settlements were Christian was when the 13 colonies belonged to the British empire.
Jefferson - (I)t does me no injury for my neighbor to believe in twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg.”
The misconception that the U.S. was founded on Christian beliefs was due to the evangelist of the time trying to spread Christianity after the French revolution led to a rise in atheism and religion was being ridiculed.
After this period, the disestablishment of of religion was rising, and the U.S. became the first nation to abolish religious disqualifications from office holding.
The founding fathers all collectively agreed that religion would corrupt the state, despite some of their religious beliefs.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 There is a reason Jefferson stated "their" creator rather than "our" creator. The nation was the first to be accepting of the religions of other people. It was religious freedom that they valued more. They never once stated that the nation was Christian.
If you register in Germany as a follower of other spiritual faiths( ie not atheist) are you taxed by the state with your funds going to that faith? (NB this is because I'm interested,not because I want to be antagonistic!)
Look, this is YT shorts and unless you strike popularity or the creators comment often, it's unlikely your comment will get answered. You might as well google this question, rather than asking a comment on the edge of okay-offensive, and then adding an "I meant it in a good way" label (which I really respect, if I am honest).
I am not sure, but as far as I recall this applies to all religion, but you'll have to Google it. Either way, it's sad people are promised "freedom" to practice their religion - or anything that gives you joy, really, my point applies to anything - and then being penalised for it; that's isn't freedom!
Der Staat kassiert die Steuer und gibt den Religionsgesellschaften einen Teil davon ab.
@@cerebrummaximus3762Es ist: Deutschland.
You only get taxed by sertain big religious groups.
The biggest to be specific.
You can just go to a different Christian branch and not pay it but you can also just leave since no one will ask you if you are a member or not.
There are only 3 reasons why you would want to be a church member outside of your faith:
A) sertain Jobs require a faith (rare)
B) you want to get married In a church
C) you die and your family wants to have a Pastor for the funeral.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 you'll forgive those of us 20th century types who like to ask questions at source, rather than pander the 'JUST GOOGLE IT!' attitude. When I grew up, google sounded like a large number (googol)!
I live in Turkey. Here religion is more important than Germany. We don't have a day which everything got closed, but we have two religious holidays. One holiday is 3, other is 4 days long but generally they extend the holiday to weekend. Government is obsessed with religion but our constitution is strictly secular, so we see a lot of religious classes etc (and their numbers are ever increasig because of the religion obsessed government) but we have no religious tax etc(because we have a strict secular constitution). 90 percent of population attend to a religion. The statistics are varying, but the non believing population increases. 44 percent go to a mosque every week, and 27 percent performs daily ritualistic prayer. 23 percent never go to a mosque, and 84 percent fast during Ramadan. The statistics however, are not very clear in that sense. 58 percent of the woman wears an islamic weil, however in young generation it is 36 percent. I can't say the religion is dying in Turkey, but it became less and less important. Especially among the young, educated City-living people. For farmers, villagers and people in small cities the religion is more important, farmer population was about 50 percent at 1980, now it is 19 percent and it is expected to go down to 5 percent in near future. People, especially the educated ones are leaving anatolian towns and villages for Western metropols. I expect the religious population of Turkey to go down significantly in the next decades
In turkey religion important only for the older people but the young people i don't think they care about it
@@Deoka4732 it depends. I do think like that, but I might be ideologically blind. For the people in my close cycle, yes, for older generation it is important. But there are 80 million people and when I try to know more people, I see younger people going to mosques daily. But statisticaly, religion is losing ground.
Honestly the only extremely religious places ive been are the indian subcontinent, poland and serbia
There are other religions besides Christianity. Just because someone is not Christian doesn't mean they're not religious.
deutsche welle, do your research before posting BS like that
In my country, everyone is born Roman Catholic on their Birth Certificates, but practise other faiths😂 it's due to if you are RC your papers are processed much faster.
You are of Poland?
@@pub652 neh
As far as I'm aware, the church tax isn't applied to Muslims.
it is only for certain religious groups
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you can leave those groups an are exempted
Church tax in Germany is a means of compensation for the secularisation losses in the 19th century towards the Catholic and Protestant churches. Since Islam was never secularized in Germany, compensation tax doesn't apply to them.
@@thefurbeastunderyourbed5012 Actually, the compensation is paid on top by the state. The state still pays the wages of some church staff from regular taxes.
@@insulanerin7601 Ah yeah? Didn't know that 😮💨. But as we say in German, "Gönn dir!" 😂
@@thefurbeastunderyourbed5012 Manche Juden zahlen Kirchensteuer, nicht nur Chirsten.
Easter is also a Christian holiday
I guess it's not about the tax or importance but more about what they did to little boys...
Your English teacher must be so proud.
@@ShaNaNa242 *Your
@@ShaNaNa242not everyone is native.
@@ShaNaNa242sorry i wrote it in a hurry and didnt checked it
@@CaptainFalko4119 "checked"
Church tax is not mandatory in Germany! I lived there and stepped out of the church
Man muß auch keine Mehrwertsteuer zahlen. Man darf nur nie irgendetwas kaufen.😅
@@jrgptr935 = 🤡
@@ZetsubenSama Oh! Wie darf ich das denn verstehen?
@@jrgptr935 was ist an einem "🤡" schwer zu verstehen?
Überleg mal. Vielleicht kommst du drauf 🤡
*DEMAND A VOTE FOR A SECULAR COUNTRY, WIN, = NO MORE TAX, SIMPLE*
It's not automatic you have to add it when you register, but you can just put no religion there... If you are not religious type to need to go to church and just believe in God it's all the same. I am atheist so that was easy.
Imagine leaving your mosque. 💀
Going to church doesn't mean yjat youre Christian it depends on ur life style
in my country religion is traumatic for low and medium class, since they had a lot of power during dictatorial regime
TV tax is automatic, and nobody cares if you have tv or not
If that's true, TIL
Started in Austria this year, too.
Das ist nun gerade KEINE Steuer.
Wenn du aber keinen Anschluss hast, kannst du dich befreien lassen.
@@Alexseya With mobile phones it is quite difficult not to have an opportunity to have Internet, even if there are some places in Germany which are really off the grid.
So there is no physical "Anschluss" needed. And TV comes over the air all the time.
I think bcoz they are tought of religion in school, they think yep todays religious activities are done hence there are decline in no. Of stuff
The "religion" lessons are more about ethics and social studies. . . . Except Bavaria, they probably still teach religion in Bavaria
But the point is right anyways @crispyduck5192
you sure it‘s 9%? in austria it‘s about 1.1% of your yearly income, and that‘s already quite the sum
It's 9% of income tax, not of the income itself. So if you earn 2500€/Month before tax it's 20,52€/month in church tax, but if you earn 25000€/Month church tax is 823,52€/month.
God loves u ❤
How do you leave the church???
Its simple, you fill out a formula,went to your lokal council house( the german Rathaus, dont know the right translation) pay a fine for the aministrating act and you are free!
@@pub652but the church only lets a specific number of people per year leave. I think they don't want to get irrelevant instantly
@@crispyduck5192 no. The churches can't do anything about it.
@@FactionalSky no to what?
@@crispyduck5192 just read what i wrote. 🤷♂️
Surprised Lutheran didn't even make it on the map.
Come to kerala india and see
In Britain all shops open on Sundays and no one gives a stuff about Christianity.
Maybe we need a king to break up with the pope as well 😂.
Germany isn't very religious anymore but the free Sunday gives people a free day to relax and meet friends. Except people working in hospitals or restaurants and such. Open shops would mean, many employees wouldn't get this.
This is so wrong. There shouldn't be a tax for that.
She worded it wrong. Just read the comments.
Germany religious? Lol you didn't see Poland 😂
Not automatic. You can opt out. A professional YT channel getting things wrong! 🤷🏼♂️
Atrocious grammar.
Diversity will take care of all of that.
Do you pay church tax if you’re not a Christian?
Depends which kind of Christian or non-christian you are. Baptist, new apostolic church, jehovas whitnes, mormons, orthodox etc are Christian but do not pay church tax. While some members of Judaism pay taxes (agin the non orthodox as far as I know). Members of Islam do not pay church tax, because their religious leaders choose not to get involved in that system. So there is a possibility in the fututre if their leaders change their minds. If you have no religion you for don't pay anything.
No
Depends. There also is a church tax for jews in some areas. And it does not depend on being christian but what is on the paper. So if your parents decided to make you a member of a certain church you will pay the tax untill you did declare your exit.
In my place: it's illegal to NOT have religion.
@arinrumi where?
Probably an Arabic country, most likely Iran@@josealex3113
ridiculous
Where does that church tax go and how is it used?
Funding the builidings, staff etc.
Expectations: "to fund the buildings and staff"
Reality: to wipe the buttoxes of the politicians meanwhile they lie to us where the money is going.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 You are the liar ... do you have any idea what it costs to maintain historic buildings? And why would it cost money to get support from politicians when many of them are members of the church anyway?
@@insulanerin7601he has no idea, seen this guy in other comments. He is just an arrogant Christian who thinks everyone should follow his sky daddy.
It's used to maintain the churches and pay priests and Cardinals. I personally think the state should take the churches as historic landmarks and maintain them
Most of us in Germany just say we are atheist just to avoid that tax
Blödsinn. Du must nicht vorgeben ein Atheist zu sein wenn du keine Kirchensteuer mehr zahlen willst. Niemand fragt dich beim Austritt ob du nicht mehr an Gott glaubst....
A friend asked me several times why I'm still in church as we lost one free holiday lately (which was special for this church). And I'm not really religious.
Secular societies are healthy societies.
the statistics say otherwise
@zvezda4701gulf countries ?
@zvezda4701Russia is no way comparable to Afghanistan...
I'd say that most leave the major churches not because of tax but because of the child abuses that have been discovered the last decades and the way the churches, specially the Catholic, deals with it.
By the way, since Napoleonic times the German state lays a shitton of money to the church, don't know why noone cares about that but we still do it
Very sad
well there are also 45% athiests everything is closed on sunday do everyone has a day of
I'm a Christian living in one of the top 20 least churched counties in the US, and the church culture here is amazing.
If you get charge for being in a religion it’s not freedom of religion
Yep! Religious or not, you got to admit, this really isn't fair. Imagine being told you can do something you really love and enjoy freely, and then being penalised for it.
@@cerebrummaximus3762 it’s Germany what you expect they don’t understand Freedom
@@myster5y This applies to anything in general. If you are promised "freedom" to religion or anything you enjoy really, and then getting penalised for it, it's not freedom.
@@myster5y Americans have no idea what "freedom" really is. Only what we have been taught to think we know what it is.
Americans on their way to understand absolute nothing
What's the Church Tax?
You are a member of the Church you pay a tax (Steuern) on top
@@Fabi-xv7vz9% of income tax
@@arnodobler1096is that for all churches? Can a Christian who just wants somewhere to worship with fellow believers not just start their own church or would that be subject to the tax as well?
@@Fabi-xv7vzcan you explain why they pay more taxes when you a member of a church?
@@lazrseagull54 Only for the main churches. Of course you can start your own church, but it will hardly be recognized, meaning no benefits.
Not really accurate…you can see why in the comments😂
Utah
😭😭😭😭😭
So what’s the point
Of what?
How unfortunate. God is calling
Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth?
???
Noice
The messed up thing is that Germanynwas in the middle of the religious wars. The tax is outrageous
The state is not imposing the Church tax. The greedy Churches are doing that to their own members
Beschwert Euch bei dem Staat, der sie (diese Steuer) verlangt.
@@jrgptr935nein, der Staat verlangt diese Steuer nicht.
@@ZetsubenSama Wer außer dem Staat darf denn noch Steuern erheben, bitte schön?
@@jrgptr935 der Bund, das Land oder die Gemeinde dürfen Steuern erheben.
I had to take religion at first in school, and it was really, really, boring annoying and just... Idk don't have any use, except you wanted to become religion subject teacher or something, to finally change from religion to ethics, my mom made up some kind of story, that my family already left the church, and didn't want any religion to affect their child. An like, I know dozens of people, and only like 1 of them is somewhat religious
No wonder it's falling
Just matters when you breathe your last breath😢
Huh
L Germany, come back to Christ.
Nah, we're way better off without it.
That concern me that they teach religion in their schools
If it eases your concerns a student can choose if they want to take protestant, catholic or philiosophy/ethics class. I switched around through all three options in school depending which teachers been assigned that year. It doesn't matter which religion you belong to.
Why, may I ask? I am concerned that you have developed this mindset, and are posting disrespectful comments without rationalising them!
@@cerebrummaximus3762all relgions deserve disrespectful comments, i dont have to respect religions.
@@cerebrummaximus3762Because most churches are a harmful construct that tries to teach hate . . . . And they have way to much pedophiles
@@pub652 I bet you have the same opinion on black people, women, and minorities. If you don't, you have no right to be disrespectful to anybody. Respect is a virtue.
God is always relevant. If that's the case,then you would not exist.
Indeed!
Bs
Really big bs
What god?
Poseidon?
@@USRM1810 Wow, what a genius! My guy remembers his Greek Mythology lessons from third grade. Aren't your parents proud!
Good, we don't need religion. We shouldn't waste our time on stuff that isn't related to the here and now.
Found the redditor.
Religion has shaped most of the world’s history, culture, conflicts, legal framework, societal structure. It is very much a “here and now” aspect of life.
Yep as someone said previously here is the redditors neckbeard. Surprisingly few in the comment section actually which is great.
Hello Mr r/Ihavereddit, life is very enjoyable when the research one does is minimal? Very sad Christians, Muslims and other religious have built the foundations of modern science, how dare we!
I agree! Can you imagine a World where all the money and work that went into religions went into whats actually beneficial to people? Yes , our history and developement seems to cover the importance of churches/religions, but thats no proof of that ir was a necassity. Human developement is possible and way more humanistic without religion.
When things are OK, we get lazy complacent and overconfident.
What does that have to do with the video
Islam on the rise tho 😂
Yeah soon Islam will take over Germany. If they want it or not.
@@SwiffyDKdefinitely, that's why extreme nationalism is becoming more and more popular among Germans.
Y’all are both wrong.😂
@@SwiffyDKalready happened
Not true. Immigrants are now leaving Germany due to harsh immigration policy.
Religion goes, and then humanity to follow.
You probably think this was deep, but it’s just nonsense
@RamsayBolton13 It is pretty straightforward. Religion helps the people. Otherwise, we are far more open to deviating from our morals.
@@Sacmastahflash if you need a 2000 year old book that says slavery is fine to tell you what’s good and bad, you’re probably just a bad person
@RamsayBolton13 What book is that? If you say it is the Bible, please provide references from the book so I can explain the context to you. The Bible isn't a light read, and it usually needs explanations.
I'll answer every question I can.
@@Sacmastahflash Lev 19:20-22
if only it was like this. germany is done.
What?
Ja, klar 🤷♂️
🤡
Back in the day 99% of germans were christians😢
How do you know die you ask every german? No
Surveys did it for her 💀
Surveys, we German love surveys