Most important to mention is that we’re not charging anyone €339 or €399. The refundable €5 reservation is only to better understand the market demand. This approach provides us with valuable insights and helps us to plan future/follow-up production batches, ensuring a smooth(er) roll-out since with that we get a clear picture of the interest. That’s all. The financial risk to bring this passion of a big part of the community to life is fully on us. That being said, thank you for taking the time to review our project. We understand your concerns, and we want to address them directly while clarifying any misconceptions. This project is not something dreamed up overnight, it has been years in the making, driven by our passion for creating a camera that many in the community have been asking for. Key points: Refundable Deposit: The €5 deposit is fully refundable, ensuring there is no financial risk to the people that made a reservation. The full risk lies with us. Reputable Business: We have always operated with integrity and transparency. This project is a genuine effort to bring a thoughtfully designed product to market. No Sponsorships or Influence: None of the content created about our project on TH-cam has been sponsored or influenced by us. Opportunity for Dialogue: While we respect your right to critique, it’s unfortunate that you didn’t reach out for clarification before labelling this project as a scam. We would have gladly answered your questions directly. Also about the reservation system, since you seem to have not understood that correctly. Addressing Specific Concerns: “Throwing €400 at something that might never exist” The deposit is €5, not €400, and fully refundable. We’ve ensured that people that made a reservation face no financial risk. Comparison to other projects (e.g., Reflex, FilmNeverDie): We are aware of past projects that didn’t materialize, but we're not them. We’ve shared detailed specifications and realistic timelines, and we’re collaborating with trusted manufacturing partners. Photos not taken with the camera: We’ve been open about this from the start. The images shared are placeholders, as we’re still finalizing the development sample. This has been outlined clearly in our roadmap. As this is something we’ve heard a few times we will add a remark to every photo saying “images for reference”. Camera is still in development: That’s correct. We are in the final stages of development and have shared transparent updates about the process. 3D renders not being final: The back part was changed based on some great input from the community so we are addressing those as we speak. The current 3D renders are not manufacturing-ready CAD files. We will have an updated model on the landing probably next week or the week after. Lens specifications: The lens uses a Double Gauss construction, it’s not the most logical choice for a compact camera like the aF-1but it was the best construction for our concept and wishes construction. Finalised images of the actual lens will be shared soon. Viewfinder concerns: The viewfinder is just a cost-effective, tried-and-tested design commonly used in (analog) cameras. It's not that deep. “Nothing new” claim: Reviving analog cameras in today’s landscape requires integrating modern components (e.g., LiDAR) due to the discontinuation of many parts. This approach allows us to meet timelines and budgets while staying true to the analog experience. If we would've needed to manufacture all parts from scratch the price point would be much higher and the timeline would be much longer. Partnerships: We’re collaborating with a manufacturing partner that has extensive experience producing analog cameras. This partnership is critical for this project. On the user side we’re collaborating with a bunch of different types of users from beginners to professional photographers. We hope this response provides clarity and addresses your concerns. Our goal remains to create a camera that is build around quality and ease-of-use, but we’re definitely not saying that we’re creating the next Contax T3. As the two cameras come a totally different price points. Thank you again for your feedback. We remain open to constructive dialogue and encourage you to reach out with any further questions.
Thanks for taking the time to respond to this and offer insights from your side! I think maybe I wasn't clear enough regarding what I felt was scammy about the situation, but the prevailing element of your campaign that didn't seem in good faith was the use of undisclosed stock photography to advertise it. I'm glad you've changed the website to label the photos as "images for reference" now, but do feel it might still be more in the realm of full transparency to say something closer to "stock images for reference", since the new caption still leaves room to interpret that the image being used as reference is from your existing camera. I'm also not sure how clear the placeholder disclosure is exactly on the roadmap on the site, because so far as I can tell there isn't anything that refers to stock photography or placeholder images there. "Development Sample Release" isn't the clearest wording, and feels closer to implying that you're showing actual image samples than it is to saying the images are stock photography. The roadmap is also at the very end of the website scroll journey, which likely makes it the least viewed element of the webpage. I think some of the key points you've addressed are glossing over the "buzzword" aspect of the verbiage you're using to describe things like the viewfinder and lens, which were the main concern. I think all the physical elements you're pitching are great, and would love to see them come to life, it's just that the manner in which most things are phrased on the site leans heavily into selling them as almost groundbreaking or unique, whereas in reality things like diamond wheel grinding for example are the industry standard method for lens edge shaping. I think going forward it might just be more fair to use more subtle verbiage in order to avoid it looking like you're trying to oversell things, it'd leave much less room for negative interpretation too. The concept alone is super cool, I don't think it needs much more than the plain specs to get people interested! I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to this, and all the points you've addressed, and wish nothing but the best for you in this endeavor! I'll be very happy to see it out in the world, it'd be nothing but good news for the industry if something as marvelous as this idea came to be!
I've got no dog in this fight, but after enduring the tone of this video and reading the one-sided comments, I felt urged to point out the hypocricy of this video's title/thumbnail. You're inferring a scam based on having not fully understood all of the aspects of the campaign. While you're free to share your thinking, the opinion you've formed is not any more principaled than the points you make against the company. I don't see a need to get hung up on the imagery at this stage. It's not that shocking to test the market like this, maybe your 10 years of experience makes you a bit niche but if you look around at other marketing examples it's not a crime to use buzzwords or obvious descriptive language to speak to average consumers. I'm sure they'd ask you if they wanted your help with marketing. Fair to say that there's a long way to go with this project. Maybe if they made their Ts&Cs appropriate for this buy-in option they could save themselves some backlash.
@@Natvskaw I'm the one who pinned the comment, if I were being a hypocrite and trying to misinform I wouldn't have given the company a fair chance to respond and made it the first comment people see. Not seeing the need to get hung up on imagery when the product being sold is a camera is a bit baffling. The sole end purpose of a camera is to make images. It is categorically not ethical to sell a product using misrepresentations of the only purpose it serves. Hence why it has been adjusted since I pointed it out in this video. The issue remains that all of this is still completely speculative, and trying to shut down people who raise valid enough questions to warrant a response is a strange stance to take. The unfortunate fact is that there would've been absolutely nothing for me to talk about or you to endure if there had been a working prototype to provide images from and of. As I said in the video, and multiple comments, and in the response above, it would be nothing but good if this camera comes out exactly as described manufactured from scratch in the timeline they have given, and I wish them only the best. I appreciate you taking the time to comment and offer an opinion, all we can do at this stage is offer opinions until something concrete and real is released, hopefully in the near future.
@@Natvskaw They're marketing an image maker. Literally the entire point of what they are selling is for making pictures. It's very reasonable to assume they will be using pictures of and also by their picture maker ... that they are marketing! Would you be saying we shouldn't get hung up on the models on a website if a modelling agency just puts up stock pictures for 'examples'? What if an acting agency just put pictures of Brad Pitt and Zendaya as 'examples' of actors with some buzzwords to promote the agency without it being obvious that they don't represent these actors? . Most people, assume certain things in a certain context - the context is misleading in this case. You might want to reverse search the analogue Af-1 website images before saying it's unfair to suspect a possible scam. Just saying ...
Kickstarter banned projects that only show product renderings for this exact reason. Taking full pre-orders for something that doesn't exist is super sketchy, even if the project owners are "optimistic"!
They aren't full preorders it's $6 USD for a deposit to secure the pre launch offer price. Not saying this to defend them it's still sketchy but easier to stomach less than 10 bucks to possibly reserve something cool potentially.
That's a good way to look at it Dominic, it's still not great to be using stock images to promote the camera for preorders no matter the amount, but I'll be very happy to have egg on my face if it comes out on time and and there ends up being another new cool new camera around. Just wanted to offer a counterargument to some of the hype and hear what folks had to say, thanks for watching!
Thank you for being a voice of reason! This is something we've seen time and time again, both in the camera industry and in other fields. People that are really good at marketing and web design selling obvious lies. When there isn't even a product while they're accepting deposits, peoples alarm bells should be ringing 24/7
the camera doesnt have a prototype yet 6 months before its full release. the Polaroid 1-2, Rollei 35 AF, and Pentax 17 already had their prototypes years before they ever announced it. So within a couple months they will have a test model, promotional units, and mass production within that time?
This is the main concern with the project, there is absolute 0% chance they get to their deadlines, and if they magically get to them, the camera would have some many issues because of the lack of test time, it would probably be inusable and not work properly at all
As a CAD and mechanical engineer that has a bit of experience in product development and component sourcing, I see no way that this get released following the timeline announced and for the annouced price if they do not have ready to manufacture cad files. Making molds for parts, prototyping PCBs and building the first prototypes takes lots of time and testing. The 3d models that they show on their Instagram are only for renders.
I don't understand how the big channels that talked about this never raised the possibility that it's a scam. Also, the camera doesn't exist yet, the photos are 3D renders. It could easily all be fake and the youtubers are making it famous so that people buy it...
I'll be very happy to be proven wrong! Just don't reckon it's fair to be promoting the camera using pictures it didn't make with renders that don't represent a functional camera at this stage. And a great many buzzwords.
@@thealariswhats odd to me: both sites (store and af-1) has same logo and same team pictures but either sites didnt share each other link or info. I think its important for a legit company to announce their big project on to their site. And if they are a well respected store, its going to be a very big risk for the store in the future if this project doesnt do well
Ahaha Hype Beast Will is planning an indulgent return at some point in the near future matey! I'm glad Patent Finder Will could suffice though! Hope your exhibition manoeuvres today go super well! Very excited to see how it all comes together
No available shutter on tbe market could match the specs they claimed, develoing that shutter along would cost milllons nowadays. Anyone who believes in this thing has no understanding of the industry. I am so glad that you stressed this out.
Thanks for the video! As an engineer and photo enthusiast, my first thought was that it's a cool project designing and manufacturing such a camera from scratch. Your skepticism got me thinking though. You're probably right about many of this. About the patent: If it's expired, you don't need to buy or license it. It's free for everybody to use.
True - the more basic, the better. We all (hopefully) are aware that Contax and Ricoh 1990's compacts become expensive curios, when the control electronics fail!
A used working Mju is often pretty close to this price, just scanning eBay a bit. If they can deliver, seems solid. Not the right style of camera for me, but fine for someone who wants a full-auto compact. That said, I'll believe it when I see it.
I didn’t even notice there was no door 💀 saw this, thought “neat,” went to the website, realized it didn’t exist, left and completely forgot about it. Would it be cool? Maybe. Is there any reason to care whatsoever right now? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Hype is a nasty drug
Agree with all your issues in it. When I saw it I was like nah im good. Not to mention even if it is real at that price there are plenty of better secondhand options.
There might be good or even better alternatives on the used market, but they aren’t getting any younger either. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind seeing a few modern, high-quality point-and-shoots in the style of lets say a Contax T3. I mean, seriously, who on earth would buy a Contax T3 at the current prices, knowing the electronics could fail any moment and no one would ever be able to repair it? What are we at now, like 2.5-3k? Hilarious!
@@hanssvenssn2516 For anything to even be as close to thos cameras they are going to cost more than the price tag of this "project" When I said there are plenty on the market I mean that are comparable lol this aint not T2 or T3.
It won't ever come out, but if it did it would be an old stock Konica/Minolta camera that they found pallets of sitting in a warehouse somewhere and put them in a fancy new plastic housing, while only having some of the promised specs on the website. The vagueness reeks of the type of shit you see from those Instagram/TikTok shop dropshippers and resellers
Fair enough. But I do wish them luck because the film renaissance does need 'affordable,' new, warranted cameras that can be bought in-store and online. And I'd say a quality, automated PAS is probably the most needed camera - there being so many reliable, excellent SLRs and rangefinders available second hand (but '90s PASs are a lottery). But I'm sceptical about this, as I am about most vacuous, hype-generating Kickstarter campaigns. For a startup to build a high-end PAS from scratch is exceptionally challenging and costly. Originally, these were complex cameras made by hugely advanced, capable, rich companies; at the height of their powers and the height of the market. The 17 took Pentax ages to put together and will have cost a fortune, yet it is a relatively basic, pioneer model - part of a model rollout strategy. Really, I only see this sort of camera coming from an established industry player - most likely a new GR from Ricoh/Pentax.
Thanks for this reasonable video. I've talked to someone who is working with a lot of different start-ups and his opinion is that most likely with this announcement they just want to measure if there is enough interest before really investing into making this a real product. But if that's the case, there are too many false promises (at least to my taste) ... On the other hand, that marketing website is very elaborate, it costs quite some money to make such a good-looking website. So either they've just blown all their budget on this, or they do have much more money available from investors then we know of, and thus they also can tackle the development and production much better than we now anticipate (I doubt that's the case, but it's possible ...) Anyway. Personally I'd not spend a dime on this until the thing is available on the market ...
Yes, I also saw this camera on several videos, checked the website. For me the design of website is cluttered, hard to really see anything meaningful, pre-rendered animations have basic render quality, they just hired someone that knows how to do such things. I wanted to sent my opinion directly in this website, but of course the questionnaire doesn’t work, send button doesn’t do anything. The camera design itself looks externally cheap. The screen looks to be standard OLED screen that is like .50 cents on aliexpress. Will buy this camera only a year after people start getting this thing in their hands and it won’t take shitty photos. Besides, I have Olympus AZ1 Zoom or whatever. Bought it locally for equivalent of 40$. Takes great pictures, has flash off switch, exposure compensation button, focus lock, decently sharp lens and only two things I don’t like are the battery it uses and zoom motor is loud. But it takes photos, works without any problem. I encourage everyone not to buy new shitty plastic cameras nor old highend compacts. Just find 90s camera, not so small, and you will be very suprised how good the photos looks
I’ll believe it when it hits the market. Slick websites without actual images from this camera doesn’t cut it for me. I’d rather pick up an existing p&s.
I think this is great analysis; quite refreshing really. What is more concerning to me is we now have a generation who are so simply gulled into throwing money at something without any evidence that it exists. This is the same group of folk who buy a camera then whinge they need a firmware update with the features they actually need. These companies can get away with this because the audience has become bewitched by everything they read on their phone, incapable of critical analysis or research - it's never been easier to fund shit ideas. IMO these 'new' film cameras have all been worse than what was available 50 years ago. Completely souless - like i said these companies know their market :)
Thank you so much for that video! I mean i would never be stupid enough to give someone money in advance without even a real product to showcase, but still i was so hyped about this. Now i have a more realistic view on this topic and its gonna be interesting to see which TH-cam channels are gonna promote it..
finally some reasonable coverage..! I think they did a masterful job with the marketing and they set the "pre-order-reserve" price just low enough that people wouldn't think hard about it.. if a few thousand people just quickly pay the $5 they can net a handsome sum and walk off quietly with no consequence. shame.
Thanks for making this video! Clearly explained and well presented information. Well done William 🙌 I'm looking forward to your review if this camera is ever released. Lol.
Well I feel like a dumbass, I put down a $6 deposit and they are already trying to sell me straps for the unreleased, untested camera. 🤦🏾♂️ I’m liking and commenting to boost the reach of this video.
Ahhh don’t feel bad dude! I still really hope to be proven wrong here, and that you get a really cool camera at a great price! It’s very cool of you to want to support the project too, and only good for the community for there to be folks that want to back new things. It’s the way film stays around! I just put this out there cus it is somewhat sus of them to be soliciting funds this early on, and wanted to try make sure there was a bit more awareness for informed decisions relating to supporting it at this stage. Holding thumbs for you though, and don’t feel like a dumbass, I still get the urge to back it when I look at the website, the presentation is so good haha!
in today's predatory capitalistic world, i have zero faith until a REAL product is shown WORKING. Marketing and hiding behind usernames using PR language should do NOTHING for anyone.
I used to live in Amsterdam and got film developed at their store many times. I spoke to them a few times in there and discovered that they were also a design agency - at least that’s what they told me at the time but that might have been a front for the office at the back of the store so as not to expose their project early on.
my god, cynical will got hands! xD Seriously though, thank you for doing this. I feel like businesses that over promise and undersell as part of their model have become more rampant ever since the crypto scene got a broader audience. So having people with knowledge urge their comments to err on the side of caution is a valuable thing. Especially if their criticisms are as clearly articulated and well pointed as yours ^^
If they can deliver, great. Used working mju are about this price anyhow. It's not the style of camera I'd enjoy (I don't like this kind of fully auto camera), but if Analog actually gets it manufactured, I'm sure it's the right camera for a good number of folks. But as I said on another video, I'll believe it when I see it.
@ the only mju 1 I’m seeing under $150 have non-functional flashes or broken doors. But I should have been more specific, that an mju ii is close to that price. More broadly, tho: While I know that there are deals to be found through patience and experience… the first-look price for a lot of specific models (particular point and shoots, SLRs like a K1000, rangefinder like a Canonet QL17, and so on), in good condition, is often a lot higher than the low prices folks quote. As I look a bit, I’m sometimes even seeing mju 1 for $250 from reliable resellers rather than eBay randoms. While someone with more experience might pass, figuring they know how to source the camera cheaper, that’s the price for a newer photographer. Larger resellers are charging prices folks will pay; if they couldn’t move them for $250, they’d lower the price. There’s sort of multiple prices for these kinds of cameras. There’s the semi-realistic price that you can find if you’re patient. There’s the slightly-chancy at-will price where you want to grab one on eBay at short notice. And there’s the larger reputable reseller, with or without CLA. For a newer shooter, the price is more likely to be from one of the last few brackets. =edit= just saw a K1000 listing, still $80, “everything seems to work, but there’s some kind of a bug down inside.” LMAO
there is no need for a camera like this one. whoever is making it, clearly has not done ANY market research.... If they do actually follow through with producing and selling this camera, they are going to lose massive amounts of money because they are not going to sell. sure a few youtubers will buy them, but nobody else will. there is literally no place for a camera like this anymore.
This is just a copy of an Konica A4. Same Body. And same battery by the way. This is a Scam. Someone that knows how can make a camera that looks like that from a Konica Big Mini F. I think something like that would be a "smart" move. Bring one to life, get all the cash and... never to be seen again. Well... if you see something like that, your better of getting tow Pentax 17´s, with that you would really help to get us to a new lovely Camera and not some junk like this scam.
Fantastic video. It''s unfortunate that projects like these seem to make it harder for legitimate companies to take the plunge into developing new film cameras, given the skepticism and history of rug pulls. I'd be interested to hear what you think about the Smartflex, which does seem to have working prototypes, but I cannot be totally convinced it will be a totally usable camera. For example, the Plaubel Makiflex, a 9x9 (rotatable 6x9) back SLR from over 30 years ago that is enormously more complex than the Smartflex, which seems to be built by a team of less than a dozen people, versus Plaubel which was a rather large manufacturer in their day.
This reads very much like a group that doesn't appreciate how expensive it is to do R&D, tooling, and production on a product like this. It's easy to spin out some marketing and do a basic 3-D render, but many of these products fail in execution. People talked a lot of ill about the price of the Pentax 17 and Rollei 35 AF, but I suspect that those cameras barely break even. They may even be sold at a loss.
It will only cost 5 euros to get a spot on the "early bird" pre-order list, so you won't lose a lot of money if the product never ships. I'm thinking a scammer would ask for more money than 5 euros ....
That is a good point! I still feel a bit weird about them soliciting even 5 euros for an early bird spot given the material being used to promote the concept isn't based on anything that actually exists yet. Perhaps not a full on "rug pull" scenario, but definitely in the realm of "doesn't feel good that the promo pictures aren't made with the camera and it doesn't exist yet."
@@willysheepskin I think this 5 euros is to test the market for production, if people can put 5 euros into it, it means they would probably buy it, they are probably using that to have an estimated for production, if they see there's not enough people, they can cancel the project and not lose investement
The only issue I see with what you're doing here is, you can't reason people out of beliefs they didn't reason themselves into. I appreciate you trying to. 😉
I appreciate your video as this slick announcement also caught my eye. Looking over to Mint, from what I have heard directly from a friend with a preorder in place about their Rollei 35AF fulfillment (or seemingly lack thereof) and read about a purported change they may have made in the materials used in it’s execution since preorder, you just might have some interesting layers to dig into for a similar video about that company’s arc of promise to their current state of reality in bringing their new film camera to market.
TH-camrs who tout “educational” content and then read a press sheet off the website with zero additional comment besides “oh cool” should be deemed advertisements. Bring value and progression or stop forever.
My feelings exactly except for the criticism of nothing new. At least they’re not trying to sell us a GOAT, the terms used are pretty transparent for people who know cameras. I would be ok with a near T3 copy that is repairable. As a matter of fact I would love a camera project based on repairability : simple, off the shelf components etc…
Very much enjoyed your video -- presentation style, commentary and humor. So if this camera doesn't pan out, I might just come up with my own 'New Film Camera' promotion, just to have you make a video about it!!! 😁😁😁
Commenting to please the algorithm gods, and for this to be pushed to a wider audience. This, sadly, is never going to happen. If it was commercially viable to create a camera at this price point and specs it would have happened by far more capable individuals/companies. I wouldn't be surprised if their next scheme they state they're going to revive packfilm
I’m also making a film camera. It’s called humanity I mean ubuntu I mean Minolta memory maker, I mean the humanity memory maker?? I mean actually I’m rebranding Chinese Alibaba cameras and calling it locally made and marking it up 1000% percent. Bleak situation happening in this film community. Let’s call things what they are at face value - scams.
Love your channel and totally agree that they're on a tight schedule here. But speaking of a total scam cause they use pictures that not derive from the camera goes much to far I feel. They fully disclose this. I wrote with one of the guys in a German photography forum and he really gave a broad inside to where they stand and what is to be expected from the project. Also I like to mention that you are able to save your 339€ or so price for a 5€-deposit (!) This symbolic donation will not make them rich (until now 1000 people participated after analogue) and also it is said that you can get the 5€ back if you decide not to buy the camera (as far as I remember) ... anyways. So I feel at this point the community should just support the project and hope for the best.
Thanks J Bu, really appreciate that you dig the channel! I was super confused when you said they fully disclose this because I went through the website multiple times in making this video and saw no disclosure of any kind - I had to go track down a reddit thread to see it mentioned by anyone associated with the company. They've updated it since this video came out! It says images for reference over the intro contact sheet, and a lot of the captions for pictures have been changed from what they were saying before in terms of advertising features to say just "Image for reference" Which is very cool, as it means they're making efforts to correct for some of the more overzealous aspects of the campaign. (You can confirm this by referring to 2:12 , 2:41, 5:54 in this video and checking what the captions say now on the website) "Image for reference" still doesn't exactly say "Not made with our camera" or "Stock image for concept reference" but it's a good step. Very cool to hear that you've spoken with one of the guys and that they are optimistic about their project. I still think the symbolic donation wasn't in full good faith given that the website even now still has no full disclosure regarding the images being stock photography. I'd be curious to know where you got the number of people that have paid the deposit too, but even if it's only 1000 people at this stage that's 5000 Euro brought in in a couple of weeks based on some renders. It might not be life changing money for them but it is still a substantial amount of money. I'm all for supporting the project, it's just the solicitation of deposits with not even a prototype available for viewing that left a bad taste in my mouth I think!
@ I am one of the 1000 backers and you get regular emails on the forthcoming on the project, where they "thanked the 1000 contributors". I mean this is a well known analog shop from Amsterdam. I really don't think it's about getting 5000 bucks out of the community. If you look at the website, that alone probably cost more than 5000 bucks lol. So again, I only see an ambitious, perhaps overly ambitious project, but really everything far from a scam. They don't let you pay 350€ now for a "Camera to come" and run of with the money. That would be scam. Again, a renowned shop in Amsterdam. Really think they do not need 5000 bucks from faithful people out of the community. Anyways. Keep up the good and inspiring work on your Chanel!!
The website looks great but I‘m not sure about the camera. It feels like you are paying for something that will never arrive, which is why I didn’t even pay for the early bird spot. The body design is weird too. Not sure if it makes sense to put the viewfinder in the middle. The front is largely covered with the name analogue. The name itself feels like the result of chatgpt. I‘d step away from it until someone independent tested the camera.
Agree with you 100%. My remark is really about why would any 'film photographer' want something like this? If you are going to just point-and-shoot, you might as well just use your phone's camera. Film photographers love to tinker, with complication being part of the fun. Controlling everything and anything, from film choice, and lens choice, though camera settings, developing, scanning and printing being part of the journey to the final product. Why the heck would I choose a fixed lens, auto everything camera for film photography? It's like renting a Lamborghini and letting someone else do the driving while following the speed limit.
If someone has more knowledge of EU law please do correct me, but doesn't any modern electronic device (such as a camera) require USB-C to be sold in the EU...? If they're claiming to use some archaic battery standard, doesn't that mean it's illegal to sell in one of the largest analog camera markets in the world?
USB-C needed if it has a battery that is a) rechargeable and b) rechargeable in the device. So if they put in a rechargeable Lithium battery, yes. If they use CR123A or similar, no.
Most important to mention is that we’re not charging anyone €339 or €399. The refundable €5 reservation is only to better understand the market demand. This approach provides us with valuable insights and helps us to plan future/follow-up production batches, ensuring a smooth(er) roll-out since with that we get a clear picture of the interest. That’s all. The financial risk to bring this passion of a big part of the community to life is fully on us.
That being said, thank you for taking the time to review our project.
We understand your concerns, and we want to address them directly while clarifying any misconceptions. This project is not something dreamed up overnight, it has been years in the making, driven by our passion for creating a camera that many in the community have been asking for.
Key points:
Refundable Deposit: The €5 deposit is fully refundable, ensuring there is no financial risk to the people that made a reservation. The full risk lies with us.
Reputable Business: We have always operated with integrity and transparency. This project is a genuine effort to bring a thoughtfully designed product to market.
No Sponsorships or Influence: None of the content created about our project on TH-cam has been sponsored or influenced by us.
Opportunity for Dialogue: While we respect your right to critique, it’s unfortunate that you didn’t reach out for clarification before labelling this project as a scam. We would have gladly answered your questions directly. Also about the reservation system, since you seem to have not understood that correctly.
Addressing Specific Concerns:
“Throwing €400 at something that might never exist”
The deposit is €5, not €400, and fully refundable. We’ve ensured that people that made a reservation face no financial risk.
Comparison to other projects (e.g., Reflex, FilmNeverDie):
We are aware of past projects that didn’t materialize, but we're not them. We’ve shared detailed specifications and realistic timelines, and we’re collaborating with trusted manufacturing partners.
Photos not taken with the camera:
We’ve been open about this from the start. The images shared are placeholders, as we’re still finalizing the development sample. This has been outlined clearly in our roadmap. As this is something we’ve heard a few times we will add a remark to every photo saying “images for reference”.
Camera is still in development:
That’s correct. We are in the final stages of development and have shared transparent updates about the process.
3D renders not being final:
The back part was changed based on some great input from the community so we are addressing those as we speak. The current 3D renders are not manufacturing-ready CAD files. We will have an updated model on the landing probably next week or the week after.
Lens specifications:
The lens uses a Double Gauss construction, it’s not the most logical choice for a compact camera like the aF-1but it was the best construction for our concept and wishes construction. Finalised images of the actual lens will be shared soon.
Viewfinder concerns:
The viewfinder is just a cost-effective, tried-and-tested design commonly used in (analog) cameras. It's not that deep.
“Nothing new” claim:
Reviving analog cameras in today’s landscape requires integrating modern components (e.g., LiDAR) due to the discontinuation of many parts. This approach allows us to meet timelines and budgets while staying true to the analog experience. If we would've needed to manufacture all parts from scratch the price point would be much higher and the timeline would be much longer.
Partnerships:
We’re collaborating with a manufacturing partner that has extensive experience producing analog cameras. This partnership is critical for this project. On the user side we’re collaborating with a bunch of different types of users from beginners to professional photographers.
We hope this response provides clarity and addresses your concerns. Our goal remains to create a camera that is build around quality and ease-of-use, but we’re definitely not saying that we’re creating the next Contax T3. As the two cameras come a totally different price points.
Thank you again for your feedback. We remain open to constructive dialogue and encourage you to reach out with any further questions.
Thanks for taking the time to respond to this and offer insights from your side!
I think maybe I wasn't clear enough regarding what I felt was scammy about the situation, but the prevailing element of your campaign that didn't seem in good faith was the use of undisclosed stock photography to advertise it. I'm glad you've changed the website to label the photos as "images for reference" now, but do feel it might still be more in the realm of full transparency to say something closer to "stock images for reference", since the new caption still leaves room to interpret that the image being used as reference is from your existing camera.
I'm also not sure how clear the placeholder disclosure is exactly on the roadmap on the site, because so far as I can tell there isn't anything that refers to stock photography or placeholder images there. "Development Sample Release" isn't the clearest wording, and feels closer to implying that you're showing actual image samples than it is to saying the images are stock photography. The roadmap is also at the very end of the website scroll journey, which likely makes it the least viewed element of the webpage.
I think some of the key points you've addressed are glossing over the "buzzword" aspect of the verbiage you're using to describe things like the viewfinder and lens, which were the main concern. I think all the physical elements you're pitching are great, and would love to see them come to life, it's just that the manner in which most things are phrased on the site leans heavily into selling them as almost groundbreaking or unique, whereas in reality things like diamond wheel grinding for example are the industry standard method for lens edge shaping.
I think going forward it might just be more fair to use more subtle verbiage in order to avoid it looking like you're trying to oversell things, it'd leave much less room for negative interpretation too. The concept alone is super cool, I don't think it needs much more than the plain specs to get people interested!
I really appreciate you taking the time to respond to this, and all the points you've addressed, and wish nothing but the best for you in this endeavor! I'll be very happy to see it out in the world, it'd be nothing but good news for the industry if something as marvelous as this idea came to be!
Do you believe that you will be able to deliver in 7 months? Honestly tho, because based on the schedule on your site, it seems like unreal.,
I've got no dog in this fight, but after enduring the tone of this video and reading the one-sided comments, I felt urged to point out the hypocricy of this video's title/thumbnail. You're inferring a scam based on having not fully understood all of the aspects of the campaign. While you're free to share your thinking, the opinion you've formed is not any more principaled than the points you make against the company.
I don't see a need to get hung up on the imagery at this stage. It's not that shocking to test the market like this, maybe your 10 years of experience makes you a bit niche but if you look around at other marketing examples it's not a crime to use buzzwords or obvious descriptive language to speak to average consumers.
I'm sure they'd ask you if they wanted your help with marketing.
Fair to say that there's a long way to go with this project. Maybe if they made their Ts&Cs appropriate for this buy-in option they could save themselves some backlash.
@@Natvskaw I'm the one who pinned the comment, if I were being a hypocrite and trying to misinform I wouldn't have given the company a fair chance to respond and made it the first comment people see.
Not seeing the need to get hung up on imagery when the product being sold is a camera is a bit baffling. The sole end purpose of a camera is to make images. It is categorically not ethical to sell a product using misrepresentations of the only purpose it serves. Hence why it has been adjusted since I pointed it out in this video.
The issue remains that all of this is still completely speculative, and trying to shut down people who raise valid enough questions to warrant a response is a strange stance to take.
The unfortunate fact is that there would've been absolutely nothing for me to talk about or you to endure if there had been a working prototype to provide images from and of.
As I said in the video, and multiple comments, and in the response above, it would be nothing but good if this camera comes out exactly as described manufactured from scratch in the timeline they have given, and I wish them only the best.
I appreciate you taking the time to comment and offer an opinion, all we can do at this stage is offer opinions until something concrete and real is released, hopefully in the near future.
@@Natvskaw They're marketing an image maker. Literally the entire point of what they are selling is for making pictures. It's very reasonable to assume they will be using pictures of and also by their picture maker ... that they are marketing! Would you be saying we shouldn't get hung up on the models on a website if a modelling agency just puts up stock pictures for 'examples'? What if an acting agency just put pictures of Brad Pitt and Zendaya as 'examples' of actors with some buzzwords to promote the agency without it being obvious that they don't represent these actors? . Most people, assume certain things in a certain context - the context is misleading in this case. You might want to reverse search the analogue Af-1 website images before saying it's unfair to suspect a possible scam. Just saying ...
Kickstarter banned projects that only show product renderings for this exact reason. Taking full pre-orders for something that doesn't exist is super sketchy, even if the project owners are "optimistic"!
They aren't full preorders it's $6 USD for a deposit to secure the pre launch offer price. Not saying this to defend them it's still sketchy but easier to stomach less than 10 bucks to possibly reserve something cool potentially.
That's a good way to look at it Dominic, it's still not great to be using stock images to promote the camera for preorders no matter the amount, but I'll be very happy to have egg on my face if it comes out on time and and there ends up being another new cool new camera around. Just wanted to offer a counterargument to some of the hype and hear what folks had to say, thanks for watching!
Thank you for being a voice of reason!
This is something we've seen time and time again, both in the camera industry and in other fields. People that are really good at marketing and web design selling obvious lies.
When there isn't even a product while they're accepting deposits, peoples alarm bells should be ringing 24/7
the camera doesnt have a prototype yet 6 months before its full release. the Polaroid 1-2, Rollei 35 AF, and Pentax 17 already had their prototypes years before they ever announced it. So within a couple months they will have a test model, promotional units, and mass production within that time?
This is the main concern with the project, there is absolute 0% chance they get to their deadlines, and if they magically get to them, the camera would have some many issues because of the lack of test time, it would probably be inusable and not work properly at all
Or best being an Alibaba drop ship rebadge 😂😂😂😂
I want your diamond optics camera! Take my money!! 💰
It may or may not be available sometime before too long! Or not!
As a CAD and mechanical engineer that has a bit of experience in product development and component sourcing, I see no way that this get released following the timeline announced and for the annouced price if they do not have ready to manufacture cad files. Making molds for parts, prototyping PCBs and building the first prototypes takes lots of time and testing.
The 3d models that they show on their Instagram are only for renders.
I don't understand how the big channels that talked about this never raised the possibility that it's a scam. Also, the camera doesn't exist yet, the photos are 3D renders. It could easily all be fake and the youtubers are making it famous so that people buy it...
Well, analogue ams is pretty respected store, so it woudl be weird for them to scam people like that 😊
I'll be very happy to be proven wrong! Just don't reckon it's fair to be promoting the camera using pictures it didn't make with renders that don't represent a functional camera at this stage. And a great many buzzwords.
@@thealariswhats odd to me: both sites (store and af-1) has same logo and same team pictures but either sites didnt share each other link or info. I think its important for a legit company to announce their big project on to their site. And if they are a well respected store, its going to be a very big risk for the store in the future if this project doesnt do well
"Bro, who cares? I need content."
Analogue make great systems. I don’t believe this to be a scam!
I was hoping Hype Beast Will would make an appearance, but lo and behold, we got Patent Finder Will. That shall suffice.
Ahaha Hype Beast Will is planning an indulgent return at some point in the near future matey! I'm glad Patent Finder Will could suffice though! Hope your exhibition manoeuvres today go super well! Very excited to see how it all comes together
No available shutter on tbe market could match the specs they claimed, develoing that shutter along would cost milllons nowadays. Anyone who believes in this thing has no understanding of the industry. I am so glad that you stressed this out.
My experience from Kickstarter for the past decade tells me if it is too good to be true, it probably is.
Glad someone said it. A large number of photography creators survive on creating something out of nothing. Free marketing for the scammers.
Oh its not free, best believe those creators are quietly taking payments to promote these projects.
Thanks for the video! As an engineer and photo enthusiast, my first thought was that it's a cool project designing and manufacturing such a camera from scratch. Your skepticism got me thinking though. You're probably right about many of this. About the patent: If it's expired, you don't need to buy or license it. It's free for everybody to use.
vaporware at the moment. not necessarily a scam (not yet at least) but be extremely cautious
I'll continue using my film cameras (Olympus Mju-II, XA, Nikon F801s, F5, Minox Touring) ...
There are a lot of very good used cameras out there.
True - the more basic, the better. We all (hopefully) are aware that Contax and Ricoh 1990's compacts become expensive curios, when the control electronics fail!
A used working Mju is often pretty close to this price, just scanning eBay a bit. If they can deliver, seems solid. Not the right style of camera for me, but fine for someone who wants a full-auto compact.
That said, I'll believe it when I see it.
I didn’t even notice there was no door 💀 saw this, thought “neat,” went to the website, realized it didn’t exist, left and completely forgot about it. Would it be cool? Maybe. Is there any reason to care whatsoever right now? ABSOLUTELY NOT. Hype is a nasty drug
Analogue ams is a respectable company so for them to scam people would be quite weird....
Agree with all your issues in it. When I saw it I was like nah im good. Not to mention even if it is real at that price there are plenty of better secondhand options.
Also think people should look closely at the youtubers who are currently peddling this.
There might be good or even better alternatives on the used market, but they aren’t getting any younger either. Honestly, I wouldn’t mind seeing a few modern, high-quality point-and-shoots in the style of lets say a Contax T3. I mean, seriously, who on earth would buy a Contax T3 at the current prices, knowing the electronics could fail any moment and no one would ever be able to repair it? What are we at now, like 2.5-3k? Hilarious!
@@hanssvenssn2516 For anything to even be as close to thos cameras they are going to cost more than the price tag of this "project" When I said there are plenty on the market I mean that are comparable lol this aint not T2 or T3.
It won't ever come out, but if it did it would be an old stock Konica/Minolta camera that they found pallets of sitting in a warehouse somewhere and put them in a fancy new plastic housing, while only having some of the promised specs on the website. The vagueness reeks of the type of shit you see from those Instagram/TikTok shop dropshippers and resellers
I'll stick to my vintage 120mm, 35mm cameras, and better yet, my full frame Nikon
Fair enough. But I do wish them luck because the film renaissance does need 'affordable,' new, warranted cameras that can be bought in-store and online. And I'd say a quality, automated PAS is probably the most needed camera - there being so many reliable, excellent SLRs and rangefinders available second hand (but '90s PASs are a lottery). But I'm sceptical about this, as I am about most vacuous, hype-generating Kickstarter campaigns. For a startup to build a high-end PAS from scratch is exceptionally challenging and costly. Originally, these were complex cameras made by hugely advanced, capable, rich companies; at the height of their powers and the height of the market. The 17 took Pentax ages to put together and will have cost a fortune, yet it is a relatively basic, pioneer model - part of a model rollout strategy. Really, I only see this sort of camera coming from an established industry player - most likely a new GR from Ricoh/Pentax.
Thanks for this reasonable video. I've talked to someone who is working with a lot of different start-ups and his opinion is that most likely with this announcement they just want to measure if there is enough interest before really investing into making this a real product. But if that's the case, there are too many false promises (at least to my taste) ...
On the other hand, that marketing website is very elaborate, it costs quite some money to make such a good-looking website. So either they've just blown all their budget on this, or they do have much more money available from investors then we know of, and thus they also can tackle the development and production much better than we now anticipate (I doubt that's the case, but it's possible ...)
Anyway. Personally I'd not spend a dime on this until the thing is available on the market ...
oh man! No film door!?!?!?
Glad I'm not the only one that thought this was sketch. As soon as I saw the website, alarm bells started going off.
Yes, I also saw this camera on several videos, checked the website. For me the design of website is cluttered, hard to really see anything meaningful, pre-rendered animations have basic render quality, they just hired someone that knows how to do such things. I wanted to sent my opinion directly in this website, but of course the questionnaire doesn’t work, send button doesn’t do anything. The camera design itself looks externally cheap. The screen looks to be standard OLED screen that is like .50 cents on aliexpress. Will buy this camera only a year after people start getting this thing in their hands and it won’t take shitty photos. Besides, I have Olympus AZ1 Zoom or whatever. Bought it locally for equivalent of 40$. Takes great pictures, has flash off switch, exposure compensation button, focus lock, decently sharp lens and only two things I don’t like are the battery it uses and zoom motor is loud. But it takes photos, works without any problem. I encourage everyone not to buy new shitty plastic cameras nor old highend compacts. Just find 90s camera, not so small, and you will be very suprised how good the photos looks
I’ll believe it when it hits the market. Slick websites without actual images from this camera doesn’t cut it for me. I’d rather pick up an existing p&s.
Are you taking pre-orders for the Contex? Looks good.
I wish a major camera company would make a modern film camera with EyeAF etc.
I think this is great analysis; quite refreshing really. What is more concerning to me is we now have a generation who are so simply gulled into throwing money at something without any evidence that it exists. This is the same group of folk who buy a camera then whinge they need a firmware update with the features they actually need. These companies can get away with this because the audience has become bewitched by everything they read on their phone, incapable of critical analysis or research - it's never been easier to fund shit ideas. IMO these 'new' film cameras have all been worse than what was available 50 years ago. Completely souless - like i said these companies know their market :)
The Albada finder dates back at least to the 1950’s. The Zeiss Super Ikonta used one.
Thank you so much for that video! I mean i would never be stupid enough to give someone money in advance without even a real product to showcase, but still i was so hyped about this. Now i have a more realistic view on this topic and its gonna be interesting to see which TH-cam channels are gonna promote it..
finally some reasonable coverage..! I think they did a masterful job with the marketing and they set the "pre-order-reserve" price just low enough that people wouldn't think hard about it.. if a few thousand people just quickly pay the $5 they can net a handsome sum and walk off quietly with no consequence. shame.
Thanks for making this video! Clearly explained and well presented information. Well done William 🙌 I'm looking forward to your review if this camera is ever released. Lol.
Well I feel like a dumbass, I put down a $6 deposit and they are already trying to sell me straps for the unreleased, untested camera. 🤦🏾♂️ I’m liking and commenting to boost the reach of this video.
Ahhh don’t feel bad dude! I still really hope to be proven wrong here, and that you get a really cool camera at a great price!
It’s very cool of you to want to support the project too, and only good for the community for there to be folks that want to back new things. It’s the way film stays around!
I just put this out there cus it is somewhat sus of them to be soliciting funds this early on, and wanted to try make sure there was a bit more awareness for informed decisions relating to supporting it at this stage.
Holding thumbs for you though, and don’t feel like a dumbass, I still get the urge to back it when I look at the website, the presentation is so good haha!
There are endless fantastic camera designs used. Nothing that could be made by some hack outfit is going to come near.
Yeah, I was immediately very skeptical.
Agree with pretty much everything you’re saying. Sounds too optimistic and cheap and there should be a working prototype at this point.
it’s impossible for something that is coming out in june to not have any prototypes 4 months out.
Leave it to will to make me want a Contax T53 💀😂
in today's predatory capitalistic world, i have zero faith until a REAL product is shown WORKING. Marketing and hiding behind usernames using PR language should do NOTHING for anyone.
I used to live in Amsterdam and got film developed at their store many times. I spoke to them a few times in there and discovered that they were also a design agency - at least that’s what they told me at the time but that might have been a front for the office at the back of the store so as not to expose their project early on.
my god, cynical will got hands! xD
Seriously though, thank you for doing this. I feel like businesses that over promise and undersell as part of their model have become more rampant ever since the crypto scene got a broader audience. So having people with knowledge urge their comments to err on the side of caution is a valuable thing.
Especially if their criticisms are as clearly articulated and well pointed as yours ^^
looks like the nikon af600 viewfinder
If they can deliver, great. Used working mju are about this price anyhow.
It's not the style of camera I'd enjoy (I don't like this kind of fully auto camera), but if Analog actually gets it manufactured, I'm sure it's the right camera for a good number of folks. But as I said on another video, I'll believe it when I see it.
You can get the mju 1 which is 90% of the camera for like £85
@ the only mju 1 I’m seeing under $150 have non-functional flashes or broken doors. But I should have been more specific, that an mju ii is close to that price.
More broadly, tho: While I know that there are deals to be found through patience and experience… the first-look price for a lot of specific models (particular point and shoots, SLRs like a K1000, rangefinder like a Canonet QL17, and so on), in good condition, is often a lot higher than the low prices folks quote. As I look a bit, I’m sometimes even seeing mju 1 for $250 from reliable resellers rather than eBay randoms. While someone with more experience might pass, figuring they know how to source the camera cheaper, that’s the price for a newer photographer. Larger resellers are charging prices folks will pay; if they couldn’t move them for $250, they’d lower the price.
There’s sort of multiple prices for these kinds of cameras. There’s the semi-realistic price that you can find if you’re patient. There’s the slightly-chancy at-will price where you want to grab one on eBay at short notice. And there’s the larger reputable reseller, with or without CLA. For a newer shooter, the price is more likely to be from one of the last few brackets.
=edit= just saw a K1000 listing, still $80, “everything seems to work, but there’s some kind of a bug down inside.” LMAO
will looking soo healthy and handsome pimp!
absolute legend dropping this vid - cheers mate
It sounded sketchy from the start. This camera doesn't exist. Don't put your money toward this until they have at least a prototype.
If people can live with the
2/3 of a stop less aperture, there are so many reasonably priced secondhand f/3.5 point and shoots still knocking about.
refreshing to hear this take
there is no need for a camera like this one. whoever is making it, clearly has not done ANY market research.... If they do actually follow through with producing and selling this camera, they are going to lose massive amounts of money because they are not going to sell. sure a few youtubers will buy them, but nobody else will. there is literally no place for a camera like this anymore.
Isn't the pre-order already sold out too?
This is just a copy of an Konica A4. Same Body. And same battery by the way. This is a Scam. Someone that knows how can make a camera that looks like that from a Konica Big Mini F. I think something like that would be a "smart" move. Bring one to life, get all the cash and... never to be seen again. Well... if you see something like that, your better of getting tow Pentax 17´s, with that you would really help to get us to a new lovely Camera and not some junk like this scam.
Fantastic video. It''s unfortunate that projects like these seem to make it harder for legitimate companies to take the plunge into developing new film cameras, given the skepticism and history of rug pulls. I'd be interested to hear what you think about the Smartflex, which does seem to have working prototypes, but I cannot be totally convinced it will be a totally usable camera. For example, the Plaubel Makiflex, a 9x9 (rotatable 6x9) back SLR from over 30 years ago that is enormously more complex than the Smartflex, which seems to be built by a team of less than a dozen people, versus Plaubel which was a rather large manufacturer in their day.
This reads very much like a group that doesn't appreciate how expensive it is to do R&D, tooling, and production on a product like this. It's easy to spin out some marketing and do a basic 3-D render, but many of these products fail in execution. People talked a lot of ill about the price of the Pentax 17 and Rollei 35 AF, but I suspect that those cameras barely break even. They may even be sold at a loss.
it does look like a Konica Big Mini F, even the viewfinder.
Thanks for making this!
That`s some Olympus Trip and Fuji Tiara crossover
It will only cost 5 euros to get a spot on the "early bird" pre-order list, so you won't lose a lot of money if the product never ships. I'm thinking a scammer would ask for more money than 5 euros ....
That is a good point! I still feel a bit weird about them soliciting even 5 euros for an early bird spot given the material being used to promote the concept isn't based on anything that actually exists yet. Perhaps not a full on "rug pull" scenario, but definitely in the realm of "doesn't feel good that the promo pictures aren't made with the camera and it doesn't exist yet."
@@willysheepskin $5 adds up
@@willysheepskin I think this 5 euros is to test the market for production, if people can put 5 euros into it, it means they would probably buy it, they are probably using that to have an estimated for production, if they see there's not enough people, they can cancel the project and not lose investement
Finally someone with a realistic approach to this whole "thing".
The only issue I see with what you're doing here is, you can't reason people out of beliefs they didn't reason themselves into.
I appreciate you trying to.
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The "paper shoot" camera was when i first started noticing this trend....its as thin as a wallet and priced at $130 usd😭
That’s a good example of something potentially being somewhat overpriced for what goes into it too hey! Thanks for sharing kind Pain!
I laughed so hard at the 'if you'd allow me to speculate' hahaha
Thanks for the laughs! Exactly what I was thinking-this whole thing reeks of being a scam.
I think it’s weird that they try to act a lot like analogue (the company that make new versions of retro game consoles)
I appreciate your video as this slick announcement also caught my eye. Looking over to Mint, from what I have heard directly from a friend with a preorder in place about their Rollei 35AF fulfillment (or seemingly lack thereof) and read about a purported change they may have made in the materials used in it’s execution since preorder, you just might have some interesting layers to dig into for a similar video about that company’s arc of promise to their current state of reality in bringing their new film camera to market.
Thank you for sharing, I pledged because I was excited but it never crossed my mind your thoughts. Will be re-thinking my decision to support.
TH-camrs who tout “educational” content and then read a press sheet off the website with zero additional comment besides “oh cool” should be deemed advertisements. Bring value and progression or stop forever.
My feelings exactly except for the criticism of nothing new. At least they’re not trying to sell us a GOAT, the terms used are pretty transparent for people who know cameras. I would be ok with a near T3 copy that is repairable. As a matter of fact I would love a camera project based on repairability : simple, off the shelf components etc…
new age film cameras are the new meme coins
Looks like a PENTAX ESPIO MINI
Very much enjoyed your video -- presentation style, commentary and humor. So if this camera doesn't pan out, I might just come up with my own 'New Film Camera' promotion, just to have you make a video about it!!! 😁😁😁
It seems like their optimistic like Elon and clueless since it’s their first time to do this.
*Googles Hydrogen Dioxide Coating* ... confuses the heck out of AI overview
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Commenting to please the algorithm gods, and for this to be pushed to a wider audience.
This, sadly, is never going to happen. If it was commercially viable to create a camera at this price point and specs it would have happened by far more capable individuals/companies.
I wouldn't be surprised if their next scheme they state they're going to revive packfilm
imagine a non-unquestioning hype discussion on the subject on youtube in the year od our lord [current_year], how unusual
Thanks for the video! I'm rarely entertained by "talking head only". This was awesome!
Hope you're doing well. Always the voice of reaason
Please talk more loudy.
One of The best videos I’ve Seen in a while, wow
I’m also making a film camera. It’s called humanity I mean ubuntu I mean Minolta memory maker, I mean the humanity memory maker?? I mean actually I’m rebranding Chinese Alibaba cameras and calling it locally made and marking it up 1000% percent.
Bleak situation happening in this film community. Let’s call things what they are at face value - scams.
Love your channel and totally agree that they're on a tight schedule here. But speaking of a total scam cause they use pictures that not derive from the camera goes much to far I feel. They fully disclose this. I wrote with one of the guys in a German photography forum and he really gave a broad inside to where they stand and what is to be expected from the project. Also I like to mention that you are able to save your 339€ or so price for a 5€-deposit (!) This symbolic donation will not make them rich (until now 1000 people participated after analogue) and also it is said that you can get the 5€ back if you decide not to buy the camera (as far as I remember) ... anyways. So I feel at this point the community should just support the project and hope for the best.
Thanks J Bu, really appreciate that you dig the channel! I was super confused when you said they fully disclose this because I went through the website multiple times in making this video and saw no disclosure of any kind - I had to go track down a reddit thread to see it mentioned by anyone associated with the company.
They've updated it since this video came out! It says images for reference over the intro contact sheet, and a lot of the captions for pictures have been changed from what they were saying before in terms of advertising features to say just "Image for reference" Which is very cool, as it means they're making efforts to correct for some of the more overzealous aspects of the campaign. (You can confirm this by referring to 2:12 , 2:41, 5:54 in this video and checking what the captions say now on the website) "Image for reference" still doesn't exactly say "Not made with our camera" or "Stock image for concept reference" but it's a good step.
Very cool to hear that you've spoken with one of the guys and that they are optimistic about their project. I still think the symbolic donation wasn't in full good faith given that the website even now still has no full disclosure regarding the images being stock photography.
I'd be curious to know where you got the number of people that have paid the deposit too, but even if it's only 1000 people at this stage that's 5000 Euro brought in in a couple of weeks based on some renders. It might not be life changing money for them but it is still a substantial amount of money.
I'm all for supporting the project, it's just the solicitation of deposits with not even a prototype available for viewing that left a bad taste in my mouth I think!
@ I am one of the 1000 backers and you get regular emails on the forthcoming on the project, where they "thanked the 1000 contributors". I mean this is a well known analog shop from Amsterdam. I really don't think it's about getting 5000 bucks out of the community. If you look at the website, that alone probably cost more than 5000 bucks lol. So again, I only see an ambitious, perhaps overly ambitious project, but really everything far from a scam. They don't let you pay 350€ now for a "Camera to come" and run of with the money. That would be scam. Again, a renowned shop in Amsterdam. Really think they do not need 5000 bucks from faithful people out of the community.
Anyways. Keep up the good and inspiring work on your Chanel!!
A waste of money, unless it cost $34.99
You are being generous!
As film wedding photographer, I'm exited for new film cameras BUT! I will not spend a single penny until I see it on stores shelves.
Exactly - let the early-birds do the beta testing!
Would you be shocked to know that the company owner used to work in marketing? 😂
The website looks great but I‘m not sure about the camera. It feels like you are paying for something that will never arrive, which is why I didn’t even pay for the early bird spot. The body design is weird too. Not sure if it makes sense to put the viewfinder in the middle. The front is largely covered with the name analogue. The name itself feels like the result of chatgpt. I‘d step away from it until someone independent tested the camera.
But is this camera supported by SQUAAAAARESPACE?
Commenting to boost the algorithm. ty
Literally the first thing I thought. The website looked too stock photo for me.
Thank you for saying this. This feels so sketch, I guess people are ready to blindly believe.
Always trust the little voice. I'll be reading the comments with interest x
3:27 lol that’s the main problem 😂😂
There's a classic "show don't tell" rule in visual media.
WILLY!!!
PAIIIIN! ✨
“Analogue” is a really bad name 😅 wtf
Much like reflex, it’s impossible to google
Agree with you 100%.
My remark is really about why would any 'film photographer' want something like this? If you are going to just point-and-shoot, you might as well just use your phone's camera. Film photographers love to tinker, with complication being part of the fun. Controlling everything and anything, from film choice, and lens choice, though camera settings, developing, scanning and printing being part of the journey to the final product. Why the heck would I choose a fixed lens, auto everything camera for film photography? It's like renting a Lamborghini and letting someone else do the driving while following the speed limit.
People are allowed to want point and shoot cameras?
I’m a professional photographer and I love my Olympus Mju ii and XA, both essentially point and shoot film cameras.
Helmut Newton used a ton of point and shoot lol
Nah it dosnt look cool enoguh
So the whole tech team took a photo like a clothing brand promotion everyone is 6ft fit and no one saw this as a Scam?
If someone has more knowledge of EU law please do correct me, but doesn't any modern electronic device (such as a camera) require USB-C to be sold in the EU...?
If they're claiming to use some archaic battery standard, doesn't that mean it's illegal to sell in one of the largest analog camera markets in the world?
USB-C needed if it has a battery that is a) rechargeable and b) rechargeable in the device. So if they put in a rechargeable Lithium battery, yes. If they use CR123A or similar, no.
Literally no reason to buy this when there are tons of good point and shoots available on Marketplace for $100-200.
So the whole tech team took a photo clothing brand promotion everyone is 6ft fit and no one saw this as a Scam?
Fair