Greetings, Darklings 🖤I do hope you find fascination in the gruesome origins of the 'Three Blind Mice'. And should your curiosity of anchoresses be piqued, I implore you to delve into my video on the curious tale of Peter Pumpkin Eater: th-cam.com/video/UIt42k1p-Qw/w-d-xo.html If you enjoyed this video and would like to support the continuation of our adventures, I'm always grateful for a cup of coffee ☕. Your generosity keeps the candles burning and the mysteries unravelling: www.buymeacoffee.com/theresurrectionists Yours in darkness and discovery, L x
Who would of thought that at the age of 53,a channel about origins of nursery rhymes would spark an interest in our wonderful British History 😊 Fantastic channel!!
As an Oxfordshire lad I was always told that three blind mice was about the martyrs and I would very often go to St Giles in Oxford and try to imagine the abhorrent treatment these men had to endure. Once again a superb rendition of a classic rhyme.
This is so dark, I can't imagine standing on the spot. In York, I swear I have always been able to feel a sense of dread from all the accumulated horrors of our history.
Yes it's truly horrific what they endured, but wonderful that Oxford keeps their memory alive. Thank you so much, I'm happy you enjoyed the video! Hope you're well :) 🖤
@@chriscox7631 I wouldn't stand on it now as it's in the middle of the road but back in the sixties/seventies I was a lot more nimble on my feet and fearless 😂
Thank you so much for gettting it right and saying Henry VIII sought to annul his marriage to Catherine rather than divorce her. So many don't understand the distinction.
@@dvig3261 an annulment says the contract was never sealed. It is a bit like citing err inconsolable differences before they meet… after they met… sort of. I always think about Stephan Hawking and his wife. She stuck it out. Didn’t she?
@@johnlynch-kv8mz Catharine of Aragon didn't lose her head. She died of natural causes. Now, Anne Boleyn on the other hand, was not only beheaded but annulled first, which made it impossible for her to have committed the adultery for which she was being executed. But Henry hoped no one would notice that tricky legality. Or if they did, no one would point that out for fear of ending up on the block themselves.
@johnlynch-kv8mz You're thinking of Catherine Howard, Henry's fifth wife who was beheaded. Catherine of Aragon was his first wife. She became ill and died.
Nearly everything we have known has become so sorted and Disgusting , the most innocent of people, places and things are Broken down into the most repulsive depths of our existence, history Religion…
Fascinating video - I wonder if Mary possibly being called a "farmer's wife" was meant also as an insult. In reference to the Dame Julia version of the rhyme, would tripe, since it was a poor person's diet, have been the kind of food served to anchoresses, indicating their vow to poverty and humility?
Thank you so much! Yes I imagine the line about being a farmer or miller's wife would be an insult. As for Dame Julian, I doubt she would have eaten tripe. The 13th century guide I mentioned in the video states "You shall not eat meat or fat but eat as many vegetables as you like; accustom yourself to little drink. Do not on any day fast on bread and water unless you have permission.” Thank you so much for watching and commenting :) 🖤
Another great video, thank you. ♥ I believe the three martyrs are depicted as the three blind mice in this nursery rhyme. Those poor men, what a horrible ending!
It's nuts the stories behind nursery rhymes and fairy tales. Weird thing is most kids prefer grim.to Disney... these things often have such mad stories. Great video.b
I’ve always been fascinated by children’s nursery rhymes, Mother Goose. This is a chilling explanation, but given that many such rhymes are based on grim reality, I can see that there is some basis for this interpretation.
In Celtic mythology, mice were analogous to souls. The Pied Piper of Hamlin is an example that will be more familiar. Examples to be found in the Mabinogion.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and delving into the symbolism of mice: It's tricky because they appear in so many stories and beliefs. In many fairy tales/folklore people are often transformed into mice for example. Your point about them symbolising the soul could definitely be relevant here I agree! I mainly looked at their meaning in the 16th and 17th centuries seen as that is when the rhyme was published. Back then, they often showed up in religious art with Adam and Eve, representing human weakness to sin. But it really depends on just how old the rhyme is....thank you so much for your comment! :)
Pretty sure the pied Piper is about a dude abducting and abusing children. Different meanings. Basically, the Pied Piper is basically an historical version of the guy with the white van and candy.
@@rickwilliams967 Piper was a real occupation in those days. Pipers were used in the military, at sea and in mining. It was a high status position. In the military and at sea they shared space with officers and not the common people. People's lives often depended on a piper. Those Pipers were dressed in fancy uniforms like soldiers. Check out The Swiss Guard for easy to find reference. Close to Hameln/Hamelin there's a mountain. I've never been there. Don't know it's history, but if there were mining there were children doing the mining. I'm Swedish and here they used children for mining and also Pipers. It's just a hypothesis I got when I first heard that there was some kind of real event behind the fairytale. Pipers weren't some kind of jesters or other kind of entertainers, that's a fact.
I love how in E. B. White's novel, "Stuart Little", Mr. Little had Mrs. Little tear the "Three Blind Mice" page from the nursery songbook and they changed the word, "mouse" to "louse", in the "T'was the Night before Christmas" poem...
Mary's first martyr was my wife's ancestor, John Rogers. She was a thoroughly detestable person. As Viktor Frankl said, "What is to give light must endure burning. Hugh Latimer was correct.
Another fascinating video! Well up to your usual standard, impeccably researched, clearly presented - just wonderfully interesting! Thanks very much from a grateful darkling!!
I am ever surprised amused and even baffled by the facts/suggestions you provide for each episode. Like millions before me who sang these nursery rhymes to young children only to now find out that they ALL have connotations which should not be presented to infants. Once again i thoroughly enjoyed it. A truly "hooked" Darkling. I must go along with your version about the three priests....mainly because I just don't have an alternative 😊 Keep up the good work team 👏
My dear Queen of Darklings, May I take this moment to express my humble enjoyment at the amount of research that you carry out in finding even the darkest content of these amazing nursery rhythms. I will say without a doubt that the three clergymen and their conviction to their Protestant religion. Mind you. As you well know. Queen Mary wasn't too keen on having these clergymen mucking about trying to defy her, AND her Catholiitism. Brilliant work.
thank you for another wonderful unraveling of a classic rhyme... when I visited Oxford over 20 years ago, we were told of the 3 martyrs quite possibly being the basis for the three blind mice ditty...
Wow I think your bang on, I remember the Peter pumpkin reference. Powerful message and also the year 1555 resonates with me .Thank you yet again for your insight .
Another very interesting video. I believe that the rhyme is about the three martyrs. A very gruesome ending they had. Looking forward to your next video. Thanks 👍🏻 Hope you are well 😊
Everyone talks about how horrible Mary I was (which she was), but her father Henry VIII had around 70,000 people executed. Thank you for pointing out that many words that we use now had very different meanings than they did 200-500 years ago. Dame Julian is one of my heroes.
Religious wars are serious thing. In its core every war is religious just today ideologies replaced religions in that sense. At least in Europe and America. In other parts of the world so so. Look at the islam. Those things are still merged in their culture. Killing people is awful but at some point necessary. That's just reality. Henry VIII did it in order to push history in positive direction while Bloody Mary in negative. Simplifying things and telling that he decoupled English Church from Rome just for the sake of divorces is naïve.
Well researched. Very intrguing as to how nursery rhymes are like hidden messages in plain sight. The original is even more odd as it doesn't "scan" well as a rhyme, if at all. So I wonder if the more popular version arrived on account of pointing a finger at bloody Mary after the Tudors had gone.
You always weave a beautifully fascinating tale. But, of the Oxford Bishops, I think not. Dame Julian, tripe and the mice tails are clues that beg further investigation.
I've recently come upon this channel & now subscribe! Interesting backgrounds to those fond memories we enjoyed as children, with such heinous history! Love it!
@@olivermiddleton5125 I don't normally reply to TH-cam comments, but here I will make a singular exception in your case Oliver... Let me start by explaining that "murder", by definition is, "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another", and so your argument is moot. Further to this, the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition for example were horrors done in the name of the Christian "God". As a group, Jesus, Muhammad, Vishnu, and Quetzalcoatl, all elevated to God status are human inventions, and so are incapable of corporeal action. If however I recall correctly, the Christian New Testament does cite an incident where Jesus struck a man down dead for masturbating in the street, but here my memory is cloudy and this could have been a construct devised by priests to stop teenage boys from over pleasuring themselves. Again from memory, the ancient Hindu text, The Bhagavad Gita tells a story of an epic battle, where Vishnu through his Avatar Lord Krishna, decimated an opposing army by unleashing a horrific Divine force. I could go on... Religions divide humanity, so much so that adherents of different sects of the same religion slaughter each other "in God's name", and have done so throughout history. Christopher Hitchens put is best in his book, "God is Not Great, How Religion Spoils Everything", which I can recommend as a thoughtful treatise on religion's continuing role in the debasement of humanity ...
@@olivermiddleton5125 AMEN! It's also a very curious phenomenon that so many Westerners loathe their own culture, call out violence that is hundreds of years old, yet they pardon the violent & backward Muslim extremists, murdering left and right all over the globe today. It's almost as if they've been brainwashed to ignore the evidence of reality.
@@olivermiddleton5125...blimey. You've got some reading to do. However, secularism and humanism has killed more people than any religion ever. Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Lenin and a thousand more tinpot dictators have sliced and diced, trafficked, starved and shattered tens of millions in the 20th century alone. Proof, as told in the Bible,that man has fallen and is evil from the very core. The only way out is through Jesus. End of.
As usual great ideas. I love this channel and as I have said before smile to myself when I think of the hundreds of children I have sung this rhyme with and taught them to sing, not knowing I was passing on such history. ❤ I
Thank you so much :) 🖤 Yes it's strange how we've always sung these rhymes without giving any thought to their origins! I thoroughly enjoy delving into their history and sharing my discoveries with all of you 😊
I have heard of Julian of Norwich, however her extreme (to me) expression of faith and the fate of the 3 men burned at the stake shows me how unbelievably hard and harsh were the times those people lived in! It certainly puts ones own difficulties/suffering in context so thankyou for that I know im not the only one x
I almost expected this one to have something to do with George III and Queen Charlotte, since his nickname was Farmer George. I love your videos, please keep going I love the history behind odd or unusual things. I know I asked before but is there a chance you could do a video on Higgledy- piggledy my black hen?
Thank you! I'm so happy you're enjoying my channel 🖤 I'm excited to tackle as many nursery rhymes as I can; there's quite a lot to cover! Your request is definitely on my list. 😊 I noticed you referred to it as "Higgledy-piggledy," but I've always known it as 'Hickety Pickety,' which I find intriguing. Are you from the US? I'm curious if there are regional variations!
@@The-Resurrectionists yes I am but I think I heard or read, which I do alot, about the hickety pickety version but I don’t think I have ever come across it myself in a nursery rhyme book.
I always thought tripe was a word for brains. Question: Were the Anchoresses enshrined in the walls, a Catholic or Protestant ritual undertaking, or both perhaps? Ive been subbed for a very long time, tho apparently I failed to hit the bell ringer?! I am soooo grateful your phenomenal work landed back into my view!!! 🩸🖤🩸 To Our Patron Mistress of Darklings, I am back! 👩🌾
I'll have to think on it some more , none the less this is a very interesting take. Also with the letter "I" being replaced with the "J"is new to me. That's why I love your channel so much, or verily as it were
Here I was just listening to a little ditty about one of Henry's wives (The Haus of Holbein) and now we're hearing about his daughter and the trouble she made (again). Mary, Mary, Mary, you really didn't like those Protestants did you? "Bloody" Mary's reputation preceeds her on this one, and now knowing the way she treated the Big 3 of the Protestant Reformation, I'm gonna go with the theory that the Nursery Rhyme was about her.
I will never understand how any of us could use fire to hurt another. That seems so intentionally, horribly cruel and inhumane. We're meant to be better than that.
The more I learn the more convinced I am of the horrors wrought on people throughout the ages under the aegis of religion and that my skepticism was well founded as a youth.That I never believed the gentle persuasions of either children or adult. I didn’t openly profess my disbelief but rather stood silent portraying what I believed was a show of deference all the while never believing for one second what they were saying and questioning their surety about something I could never profess any knowledge thereof.
It was a brutal time. English history from Henry VIII to the Second Vatican Council is quite poisonous and permitted the atrocious behaviors of sectarianism, racism, the English class system and other immoral behaviors all of which are still real issues today. Love your channel btw
The evidence from the rhyme suggests that three mice who were vision impaired chased a woman who co habited with a farmer. But how? They couldn't see her. Furthermore, the final two lines raise an even greater question. Have you ever seen such a thing in your life As three blind mice? When all we can really say is that the mice haven't. I fill my grandkids' heads with that bullshit because I know they'll try to get the answers from Mum. Remember guys, if you borrow the car, fill the tank because one day you'll have kids.
It reads like the mention of Dame Julien is either for us to remember her or that it's an invitation to her, both in regard to the miller and his wife's actions. Then there's an invitation either for Dame Julien to lick her knife of for us to do it while remembering Dame Julian. I wonder how far the story of Dame Julian got around, in which circles and to what regard. It would be quite old by the time it was put into print.
I have only known the current common version with the Farmer's wife cutting off their tails. I always believed this to go back to the Black Plague in Europe. When it became known that rats and mice carried the Plague, common folk could kill the rats/mice and turn them into the authorities for a reward. Not wanting a collection of dead rodents, the authorities later said that only the tails needed to be brought in as proof to receive the reward. So if they missed killing the rodents but managed to get the tails, who was to know the difference and they still got paid. Hence the farmer's wife, the butcher's knife, and the tailless mice. Having seen this video with its earliest known original verses is a whole new eye opening perspective.
Love your voice, I assume you are from Oxford I could listen to you all day 😍 I am always curious about where common rhymes come from and the fact they have lasted so long.
Hey wonderful Darkling 🖤 N there was me thinking religion was all about loving your fellow man/woman! An Atheist myself but still wouldn't want to burn someone @ a stake for their beliefs! Stay wonderful, safe n well. TFS, GB :)
Hadn't you done this video previously? I could swear that I've seen it before. Oh, that was Hickory Dickory Dock, there are so many similarities between the two.
The best known version was sung as a Round. The words are easy to remember making it a good song for children to sing in this fashion. A Round is sung by several people with each beginning the song a line later so the first line is sung over the second and with each singer finishing a line later. Some other nursery rhymes can be sung this way.
Oh my, I have been to the tower of London and other places, such dark accusations and punishments! I see this everywhere, not just in London past, but have we learned anything??? In 2024, here we are???
I would say that "Edward's Premature Death" was far from a Natural One. I'd also say that "Bloody" Mary got an early jumpstart on earning that nickname.
Cranmer was married to one of my wife's ancestors. She is also a direct descendant of Andreas Ossiander, one of Martin Luther's contemporaries and a fellow German reformer.
Your channel is badass! Subbed! Wow... I think you are right. This rhyme probably IS written by a Catholic gloating about their religious victory. Maybe the metaphor of "blind mice" may be about "blindsided people in power". Blindsided means to get overpowered against expectations just like these Bishops did. It speaks to the political upheaval in England created by Henry. It can happen in a moment and is EVERYBODY'S fear (whether they know it or not) to end up on THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY! Henry had bent the Catholic church to HIS will... His son continued England's independence from the Vatican... That alone was incredibly traumatic for the remaining Catholics in England... but then UNEXPECTEDLY, the proverbial RUG is pulled out leaving EVERYBODY leading the New Order the TARGET of "supreme vengeance" ending up in the cross-hairs of Bloody Mary herself. What a nightmare. To be burned alive at the stake is absolutely horrifying... Separation of Church and State is a very good idea. Ironically, the Anglican Church and the Catholic Church are BOTH Christian.
Thank you for your comment! Indeed, "a load of tripe" carries the same meaning here in England. In the video, I aimed to highlight its historical evolution: originally, "tripe" as a slang term targeted individuals. It was a derogatory term aimed specifically at people in the 16th and 17th centuries. Interestingly, our modern usage, associating it with anything worthless or stupid, didn't emerge until the 18th century. It's intriguing how language evolves over time! 😊
As an American l sang: Three blind mice " " " See how they run " " " " They all ran after the farmer's wife. She cut off their tails with a carving knife. Have you ever seen such a sight in your life as three blind mice? I didn't think about what I was singing as a small child.But now, it makes me so sick to the stomach to think of hurting mice like that.I wouldn't teach it to a child today. I do teach many others but am shocked as an adult to learn their origins.
To be honest, I've never given a thought to a deeper meaning behind nursery rhymes. I've just accepted them at face value. It wasn't until a friend instructed me into the deeper meaning behind 60's era counterculture protest and folk tunes that I thought hidden messages could be applied to other genres like poetry. Yes, I know, I'm not that swift. 🙂
The hood kids said this about my brothers and I. Old man Murray kept his children in the, when they came out.They were blind. Three blind Murray's. Boy I hated that.
Did you ever see such a sight in your life? Well, I mean, the mice didn't... And welcome back Henry the 8th! It's been a while, but you're always welcome here.
Greetings, Darklings 🖤I do hope you find fascination in the gruesome origins of the 'Three Blind Mice'. And should your curiosity of anchoresses be piqued, I implore you to delve into my video on the curious tale of Peter Pumpkin Eater:
th-cam.com/video/UIt42k1p-Qw/w-d-xo.html
If you enjoyed this video and would like to support the continuation of our adventures, I'm always grateful for a cup of coffee ☕. Your generosity keeps the candles burning and the mysteries unravelling:
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Yours in darkness and discovery,
L x
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Oooh’ I do . Thank you, Dame, Darkness . Or am I the Darkness, and you the light within?
As a child of God, I suppose I'm not going to sub, return, or leave this channel unblocked. Hope you find your way out of the dark.😢
The 3 stooges . Victoms of circumstances.
Omgosh, history’s divulging.
Who would of thought that at the age of 53,a channel about origins of nursery rhymes would spark an interest in our wonderful British History 😊 Fantastic channel!!
Yes. Wonderful 😂
As an Oxfordshire lad I was always told that three blind mice was about the martyrs and I would very often go to St Giles in Oxford and try to imagine the abhorrent treatment these men had to endure. Once again a superb rendition of a classic rhyme.
This is so dark, I can't imagine standing on the spot. In York, I swear I have always been able to feel a sense of dread from all the accumulated horrors of our history.
Yes it's truly horrific what they endured, but wonderful that Oxford keeps their memory alive. Thank you so much, I'm happy you enjoyed the video! Hope you're well :) 🖤
@@The-Resurrectionists Thank you L, I must say that at my age having a pulse is always a bonus....see you next time🤗
@@chriscox7631 I wouldn't stand on it now as it's in the middle of the road but back in the sixties/seventies I was a lot more nimble on my feet and fearless 😂
@@saddaddrummer I that part of broad Street is now pedestrianised - so quite safe.
Thank you so much for gettting it right and saying Henry VIII sought to annul his marriage to Catherine rather than divorce her. So many don't understand the distinction.
Interesting thought, as divorce refers to the parting of ways and annulment refers to the legalistic rational for such parting.
In a way it almost makes it worse. Didn’t she lose her head anyway? Who cares if he had the marriage annulled?
@@dvig3261 an annulment says the contract was never sealed. It is a bit like citing err inconsolable differences before they meet… after they met… sort of. I always think about Stephan Hawking and his wife. She stuck it out. Didn’t she?
@@johnlynch-kv8mz Catharine of Aragon didn't lose her head. She died of natural causes. Now, Anne Boleyn on the other hand, was not only beheaded but annulled first, which made it impossible for her to have committed the adultery for which she was being executed. But Henry hoped no one would notice that tricky legality. Or if they did, no one would point that out for fear of ending up on the block themselves.
@johnlynch-kv8mz You're thinking of Catherine Howard, Henry's fifth wife who was beheaded.
Catherine of Aragon was his first wife. She became ill and died.
Different religious beliefs cause untold suffering throughout the world, both now and in the past. Thanks for another superb video.
You're very welcome! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
Yes, let us be united by Truth. Sovereign Truth. The Truth is the Way, the Truth is Life. Jesus Christ is literally TRUTH.
Religion is the cause of all human suffering.
2024 and we still sit motionless at the abuse we all know.
Give to the Poor has never occured.
@@MelodyMan69 Name the three men responsible for most human misery and death in the 20th century. Then tell me what their religious beliefs were.
All religion is evil
I have to say I have nearly never thought about the origins of rhymes I grew up with, I took them at face value with the interpretation of a child.
Yes I think we all did! It's what makes these histories so fascinating :)
@@The-Resurrectionists I'm as captivated by your voice as your content
Nearly everything we have known has become so sorted and
Disgusting , the most innocent of people, places and things are
Broken down into the most repulsive depths of our existence, history
Religion…
Fascinating video - I wonder if Mary possibly being called a "farmer's wife" was meant also as an insult. In reference to the Dame Julia version of the rhyme, would tripe, since it was a poor person's diet, have been the kind of food served to anchoresses, indicating their vow to poverty and humility?
Thank you so much! Yes I imagine the line about being a farmer or miller's wife would be an insult. As for Dame Julian, I doubt she would have eaten tripe. The 13th century guide I mentioned in the video states "You shall not eat meat or fat but eat as many vegetables as you like; accustom yourself to little drink. Do not on any day fast on bread and water unless you have permission.” Thank you so much for watching and commenting :) 🖤
Or it could just mean blind mice
Another great video, thank you. ♥
I believe the three martyrs are depicted as the three blind mice in this nursery rhyme.
Those poor men, what a horrible ending!
Thank you so much :) 🖤🖤🖤
Wonderful. Love your channel. You have such a clear voice, and no background noise... From this day on I am a true Darkling.
Thank you! I'm so happy you're enjoying my videos :) 🖤
It's nuts the stories behind nursery rhymes and fairy tales. Weird thing is most kids prefer grim.to Disney... these things often have such mad stories. Great video.b
Agree with the Oxford take , I lived in Oxford and it has a very odd vibe
I’ve always been fascinated by children’s nursery rhymes, Mother Goose. This is a chilling explanation, but given that many such rhymes are based on grim reality, I can see that there is some basis for this interpretation.
In Celtic mythology, mice were analogous to souls. The Pied Piper of Hamlin is an example that will be more familiar. Examples to be found in the Mabinogion.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge and delving into the symbolism of mice: It's tricky because they appear in so many stories and beliefs. In many fairy tales/folklore people are often transformed into mice for example. Your point about them symbolising the soul could definitely be relevant here I agree! I mainly looked at their meaning in the 16th and 17th centuries seen as that is when the rhyme was published. Back then, they often showed up in religious art with Adam and Eve, representing human weakness to sin. But it really depends on just how old the rhyme is....thank you so much for your comment! :)
Pretty sure the pied Piper is about a dude abducting and abusing children. Different meanings. Basically, the Pied Piper is basically an historical version of the guy with the white van and candy.
But there is a historical background to the pied Piper. Children really did disappear. Google it, it's fascinating.
Yes I agree xxx
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Piper was a real occupation in those days. Pipers were used in the military, at sea and in mining. It was a high status position. In the military and at sea they shared space with officers and not the common people.
People's lives often depended on a piper.
Those Pipers were dressed in fancy uniforms like soldiers. Check out The Swiss Guard for easy to find reference.
Close to Hameln/Hamelin there's a mountain. I've never been there. Don't know it's history, but if there were mining there were children doing the mining. I'm Swedish and here they used children for mining and also Pipers.
It's just a hypothesis I got when I first heard that there was some kind of real event behind the fairytale.
Pipers weren't some kind of jesters or other kind of entertainers, that's a fact.
I love how in E. B. White's novel, "Stuart Little", Mr. Little had Mrs. Little tear the "Three Blind Mice" page from the nursery songbook and they changed the word, "mouse" to "louse", in the "T'was the Night before Christmas" poem...
You have a wonderful voice for narration! Love your channel!
Thank you so much! That's incredibly kind and sweet of you to say :) 🖤
Mary's first martyr was my wife's ancestor, John Rogers. She was a thoroughly detestable person. As Viktor Frankl said, "What is to give light must endure burning. Hugh Latimer was correct.
Another fascinating video! Well up to your usual standard, impeccably researched, clearly presented - just wonderfully interesting! Thanks very much from a grateful darkling!!
I am ever surprised amused and even baffled by the facts/suggestions you provide for each episode.
Like millions before me who sang these nursery rhymes to young children only to now find out that they ALL have connotations which should not be presented to infants.
Once again i thoroughly enjoyed it.
A truly "hooked" Darkling.
I must go along with your version about the three priests....mainly because I just don't have an alternative 😊
Keep up the good work team 👏
I adore this channel, thank you.
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My dear Queen of Darklings,
May I take this moment to express my humble enjoyment at the amount of research that you carry out in finding even the darkest content of these amazing nursery rhythms.
I will say without a doubt that the three clergymen and their conviction to their Protestant religion.
Mind you. As you well know. Queen Mary wasn't too keen on having these clergymen mucking about trying to defy her, AND her Catholiitism.
Brilliant work.
Thank you! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
thank you for another wonderful unraveling of a classic rhyme... when I visited Oxford over 20 years ago, we were told of the 3 martyrs quite possibly being the basis for the three blind mice ditty...
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0:08 Every minute of every day over the long decades of my Life. I STILL ain’t finished. Love your channel. Keep it human.
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Wow I think your bang on, I remember the Peter pumpkin reference. Powerful message and also the year 1555 resonates with me .Thank you yet again for your insight .
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Thanks for sharing this. I believe this makes as much sense as anything I can think of. 👍🏼🌹
Really great segment thank you very much. I appreciate learning from you.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much Susan! And I always appreciate the hearts :) 🖤🖤🖤
@@The-Resurrectionists my pleasure honey💜🩷💚💙
I would say its about the three martyrs. Also the song was used by the Three stooges before their short films.
Another very interesting video. I believe that the rhyme is about the three martyrs. A very gruesome ending they had. Looking forward to your next video. Thanks 👍🏻 Hope you are well 😊
Thank you! I'm very well, and hope you are too 🖤 I'm so happy you enjoyed it :)
This channel is absolutely brilliant - thank you for your efforts
Thank you so much! :) 🖤
Everyone talks about how horrible Mary I was (which she was), but her father Henry VIII had around 70,000 people executed. Thank you for pointing out that many words that we use now had very different meanings than they did 200-500 years ago. Dame Julian is one of my heroes.
Thank you so much! I'm so happy you enjoyed it and thank you for such a lovely comment :) 🖤
Religious wars are serious thing. In its core every war is religious just today ideologies replaced religions in that sense. At least in Europe and America. In other parts of the world so so. Look at the islam. Those things are still merged in their culture. Killing people is awful but at some point necessary. That's just reality. Henry VIII did it in order to push history in positive direction while Bloody Mary in negative. Simplifying things and telling that he decoupled English Church from Rome just for the sake of divorces is naïve.
Heck..Liz 1 killed more people...but...they were both their father's daughters
Well researched. Very intrguing as to how nursery rhymes are like hidden messages in plain sight.
The original is even more odd as it doesn't "scan" well as a rhyme, if at all. So I wonder if the more popular version arrived on account of pointing a finger at bloody Mary after the Tudors had gone.
Another great video! I don't have much of a clue but it's interesting to hear of different views 😮
Great coverage of this story & beautiful voice for the ear.
Thank you so much! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
You always weave a beautifully fascinating tale. But, of the Oxford Bishops, I think not. Dame Julian, tripe and the mice tails are clues that beg further investigation.
I agree. There are missing pieces to this puzzle.
I rarely have thoughts. This is fascinating, and so informative.
Thank you so much :) 🖤
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Interesting backgrounds to those fond memories we enjoyed as children, with such heinous history!
Love it!
Really interesting and beautifully produced! Thank you.
Religion has a lot to answer for....
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@@olivermiddleton5125 I don't normally reply to TH-cam comments, but here I will make a singular exception in your case Oliver...
Let me start by explaining that "murder", by definition is, "the unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another", and so your argument is moot.
Further to this, the Crusades and Spanish Inquisition for example were horrors done in the name of the Christian "God". As a group, Jesus, Muhammad, Vishnu, and Quetzalcoatl, all elevated to God status are human inventions, and so are incapable of corporeal action. If however I recall correctly, the Christian New Testament does cite an incident where Jesus struck a man down dead for masturbating in the street, but here my memory is cloudy and this could have been a construct devised by priests to stop teenage boys from over pleasuring themselves. Again from memory, the ancient Hindu text, The Bhagavad Gita tells a story of an epic battle, where Vishnu through his Avatar Lord Krishna, decimated an opposing army by unleashing a horrific Divine force. I could go on...
Religions divide humanity, so much so that adherents of different sects of the same religion slaughter each other "in God's name", and have done so throughout history.
Christopher Hitchens put is best in his book, "God is Not Great, How Religion Spoils Everything", which I can recommend as a thoughtful treatise on religion's continuing role in the debasement of humanity ...
@@olivermiddleton5125 AMEN! It's also a very curious phenomenon that so many Westerners loathe their own culture, call out violence that is hundreds of years old, yet they pardon the violent & backward Muslim extremists, murdering left and right all over the globe today. It's almost as if they've been brainwashed to ignore the evidence of reality.
@@olivermiddleton5125...blimey. You've got some reading to do. However, secularism and humanism has killed more people than any religion ever. Pol Pot, Hitler, Mao, Mussolini, Lenin and a thousand more tinpot dictators have sliced and diced, trafficked, starved and shattered tens of millions in the 20th century alone.
Proof, as told in the Bible,that man has fallen and is evil from the very core.
The only way out is through Jesus. End of.
Ooh! My reply has been removed! Always pleased to hack YT off!
I appreciate the work you put into these videos. I enjoy learning the history of these nursery rhymes and of British history. Thank you.
Once again, the most BEAUTIFUL voice on TH-cam ❤
Thank you so much! That's sweet of you to say :) 🖤
I am thankful that you made these videos. I have often wondered about the true meaning
As usual great ideas. I love this channel and as I have said before smile to myself when I think of the hundreds of children I have sung this rhyme with and taught them to sing, not knowing I was passing on such history. ❤ I
Thank you so much :) 🖤 Yes it's strange how we've always sung these rhymes without giving any thought to their origins! I thoroughly enjoy delving into their history and sharing my discoveries with all of you 😊
I have heard of Julian of Norwich, however her extreme (to me) expression of faith and the fate of the 3 men burned at the stake shows me how unbelievably hard and harsh were the times those people lived in! It certainly puts ones own difficulties/suffering in context so thankyou for that I know im not the only one x
I almost expected this one to have something to do with George III and Queen Charlotte, since his nickname was Farmer George. I love your videos, please keep going I love the history behind odd or unusual things. I know I asked before but is there a chance you could do a video on Higgledy- piggledy my black hen?
Thank you! I'm so happy you're enjoying my channel 🖤 I'm excited to tackle as many nursery rhymes as I can; there's quite a lot to cover! Your request is definitely on my list. 😊 I noticed you referred to it as "Higgledy-piggledy," but I've always known it as 'Hickety Pickety,' which I find intriguing. Are you from the US? I'm curious if there are regional variations!
I know it as Hecketty Pecketty!
@@The-Resurrectionists yes I am but I think I heard or read, which I do alot, about the hickety pickety version but I don’t think I have ever come across it myself in a nursery rhyme book.
@@The-Resurrectionists I am from the US and learned it Higgledy-Piggledy.
I always thought tripe was a word for brains.
Question: Were the Anchoresses enshrined in the walls, a Catholic or Protestant ritual undertaking, or both perhaps?
Ive been subbed for a very long time, tho apparently I failed to hit the bell ringer?! I am soooo grateful your phenomenal work landed back into my view!!! 🩸🖤🩸
To Our Patron Mistress of Darklings, I am back! 👩🌾
I'll have to think on it some more , none the less this is a very interesting take. Also with the letter "I" being replaced with the "J"is new to me. That's why I love your channel so much, or verily as it were
Thank you! I'm so happy you enjoyed it :) 🖤
@@The-Resurrectionists 😊🥳
This channel was a deep dive for me. I was going to type "intriguing ", however she said it first❤
Thank yet again for great content!
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You are really a good Narrator. Telling about the Nursery rhymes. I just love your channel and your Content already.
I am so glad I found this channel. ❤❤❤
Here I was just listening to a little ditty about one of Henry's wives (The Haus of Holbein) and now we're hearing about his daughter and the trouble she made (again). Mary, Mary, Mary, you really didn't like those Protestants did you? "Bloody" Mary's reputation preceeds her on this one, and now knowing the way she treated the Big 3 of the Protestant Reformation, I'm gonna go with the theory that the Nursery Rhyme was about her.
3 Blind mice makes me think of The 3 Stooges~!
I think it's a warning. Don't be blinded, deafened or silenced.
Three blind mice become three wise monkeys?
🙈🙊🙉 See, speak and hear no evil? Hmm...
Umm no that's a whole other thing.
quite apt with the state of our MP's and the government. lol
I will never understand how any of us could use fire to hurt another. That seems so intentionally, horribly cruel and inhumane. We're meant to be better than that.
The more I learn the more convinced I am of the horrors wrought on people throughout the ages under the aegis of religion and that my skepticism was well founded as a youth.That I never believed the gentle persuasions of either children or adult. I didn’t openly profess my disbelief but rather stood silent portraying what I believed was a show of deference all the while never believing for one second what they were saying and questioning their surety about something I could never profess any knowledge thereof.
Nailed it !
Marvelous interpretation. Marvelous presentation and voice over. (I hope that term translates to the UK)
It absolutely does! Thank you so much! :) 🖤
It was a brutal time. English history from Henry VIII to the Second Vatican Council is quite poisonous and permitted the atrocious behaviors of sectarianism, racism, the English class system and other immoral behaviors all of which are still real issues today.
Love your channel btw
With all due respect but you have the MOST BEAUTIFUL voice on TH-cam ❤
Thank you so much! :) 🖤
"Ring a ring a Rosey a Pocket full of Posey, a tissue! a tissue! They all fall down".
As an american we sing ashes ashes all fall down. Or at least I do.
You mean...no animal cruelty??? Wonderful ! J.
The evidence from the rhyme suggests that three mice who were vision impaired chased a woman who co habited with a farmer.
But how?
They couldn't see her.
Furthermore, the final two lines raise an even greater question.
Have you ever seen such a thing in your life
As three blind mice?
When all we can really say is that the mice haven't.
I fill my grandkids' heads with that bullshit because I know they'll try to get the answers from Mum.
Remember guys, if you borrow the car, fill the tank because one day you'll have kids.
Delightful....
I'm going with the martyrs..
What a horrible way to go...
**curls up at her feet listening**
That was dark-a-licious....🫶
Thank you so much darkling 🖤
Never knew about anchorites before. It’s an absolutely shocking concept.
Just another example of the evil of organized religions and their consequences.
Brace yourself . Europe is currently being infested with another violent god inspired epidemic.
It reads like the mention of Dame Julien is either for us to remember her or that it's an invitation to her, both in regard to the miller and his wife's actions. Then there's an invitation either for Dame Julien to lick her knife of for us to do it while remembering Dame Julian.
I wonder how far the story of Dame Julian got around, in which circles and to what regard. It would be quite old by the time it was put into print.
I loved the video thank you :)
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Curiouser and curiouser . . .
VERY interesting! Thank you!
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I have only known the current common version with the Farmer's wife cutting off their tails.
I always believed this to go back to the Black Plague in Europe. When it became known that rats and mice carried the Plague, common folk could kill the rats/mice and turn them into the authorities for a reward. Not wanting a collection of dead rodents, the authorities later said that only the tails needed to be brought in as proof to receive the reward.
So if they missed killing the rodents but managed to get the tails, who was to know the difference and they still got paid.
Hence the farmer's wife, the butcher's knife, and the tailless mice.
Having seen this video with its earliest known original verses is a whole new eye opening perspective.
Love your voice, I assume you are from Oxford I could listen to you all day 😍 I am always curious about where common rhymes come from and the fact they have lasted so long.
Thank you so much! :) 🖤
Hey wonderful Darkling 🖤 N there was me thinking religion was all about loving your fellow man/woman! An Atheist myself but still wouldn't want to burn someone @ a stake for their beliefs! Stay wonderful, safe n well. TFS, GB :)
Wow! Larry, Moe, and Curly kind of missed the mark! Geddy, Alex, and Neil, on the other hand, are priests in the Temples of Syrinx.
Hadn't you done this video previously? I could swear that I've seen it before. Oh, that was Hickory Dickory Dock, there are so many similarities between the two.
All these damn mice! 😂🖤
My word, I just love the way speak and English accent , nice from Manchester England.
Thank you! :)
The best known version was sung as a Round. The words are easy to remember making it a good song for children to sing in this fashion. A Round is sung by several people with each beginning the song a line later so the first line is sung over the second and with each singer finishing a line later. Some other nursery rhymes can be sung this way.
"Three Blind Mice.Where the Hell Can They Go??!!"-Andrew Dice Clay.😮😅
Oh my, I have been to the tower of London and other places, such dark accusations and punishments! I see this everywhere, not just in London past, but have we learned anything??? In 2024, here we are???
Good enough to watch, appreciate it
I would say that "Edward's Premature Death" was far from a Natural One. I'd also say that "Bloody" Mary got an early jumpstart on earning that nickname.
Love the narrator's voice and diction. Sounds like Susannah Harker. Am I right?
Thank you, that's such a compliment! :) 🖤
@@The-Resurrectionists You deserve it.
We need to revive nursery rhymes as commenary that endures
Also it symbolizes Curly Larry, Moe and Shemp.
Cranmer was married to one of my wife's ancestors. She is also a direct descendant of Andreas Ossiander, one of Martin Luther's contemporaries and a fellow German reformer.
Thank you for sharing; that is absolutely fascinating!
Excellent video, have liked & subbed
Wow!
9:14 - My God, what a harsh life these women had to go through to give themselves to their God!! I can't imagine!!
please refrain from using God's name as a profanity and in vain. It's blasphemous. Please repent. ❤
@@ArnoBach It's hardly for you to tell anyone else what to do, nor to judge what they do
Thank you
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Wow... I think you are right. This rhyme probably IS written by a Catholic gloating about their religious victory.
Maybe the metaphor of "blind mice" may be about "blindsided people in power". Blindsided means to get overpowered against expectations just like these Bishops did.
It speaks to the political upheaval in England created by Henry. It can happen in a moment and is EVERYBODY'S fear (whether they know it or not) to end up on THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY! Henry had bent the Catholic church to HIS will... His son continued England's independence from the Vatican... That alone was incredibly traumatic for the remaining Catholics in England... but then UNEXPECTEDLY, the proverbial RUG is pulled out leaving EVERYBODY leading the New Order the TARGET of "supreme vengeance" ending up in the cross-hairs of Bloody Mary herself.
What a nightmare. To be burned alive at the stake is absolutely horrifying...
Separation of Church and State is a very good idea. Ironically, the Anglican Church and the Catholic Church are BOTH Christian.
Thank you so much for the kind words and for sharing your insights! :) 🖤
Thank you.
You're very welcome! :) 🖤
4:38 protestant martyrs 😢
Licking the knife - Sharpening it.
"A load of old tripe" is a euphemism for someone talking bullsh*t here. NZ.
Same in Ireland.
Thank you for your comment! Indeed, "a load of tripe" carries the same meaning here in England. In the video, I aimed to highlight its historical evolution: originally, "tripe" as a slang term targeted individuals. It was a derogatory term aimed specifically at people in the 16th and 17th centuries. Interestingly, our modern usage, associating it with anything worthless or stupid, didn't emerge until the 18th century. It's intriguing how language evolves over time! 😊
Now I want to know more about Bloody Mary, in my mind Elizebeth followed Henry. I completely blanked Mary !
As an American l sang:
Three blind mice
" " "
See how they run
" " " "
They all ran after the farmer's wife. She cut off their tails with a carving knife.
Have you ever seen such a sight in your life as three blind mice?
I didn't think about what I was singing as a small child.But now, it makes me so sick to the stomach to think of hurting mice like that.I wouldn't teach it to a child today. I do teach many others but am shocked as an adult to learn their origins.
I am overcomed with sadness and horror. How is it possible that such atrocities happen in the name of relegion.
As far as the modern version goes, if you've ever seen mice running around a kitchen they scurry here to there as if they're blind....
To be honest, I've never given a thought to a deeper meaning behind nursery rhymes. I've just accepted them at face value. It wasn't until a friend instructed me into the deeper meaning behind 60's era counterculture protest and folk tunes that I thought hidden messages could be applied to other genres like poetry.
Yes, I know, I'm not that swift. 🙂
Such courage
The hood kids said this about my brothers and I. Old man Murray kept his children in the, when they came out.They were blind. Three blind Murray's. Boy I hated that.
Neither my sister nor I sang nursery rhymes to our kids. We could see how diabolical they were
Did you ever see such a sight in your life? Well, I mean, the mice didn't...
And welcome back Henry the 8th! It's been a while, but you're always welcome here.