whats funny is I was thinking about a char just like this (mana stacker + cws) I was thinking indigon + archmage and find a way to fix the mana but I never tried to build it. It also feels bad to get all this stuff for more es and not use es edit: seeing agnostic actually be used for its entire purpose is cool (mana heal hp) sad to see you can leech mana from spells
Interesting build. A question to 7:10 to "recoup" for my understanding: If you all together recoup 100 % (50 % as life and 50 % as mana) => I know, that each hit is divided into four smaller parts and if you survive the initial hit, you are unkillable? And: As the hit is divided into 4 smaller parts, your maximum hit taken is four times higher?? So with 5000 life normally a hit with 5.001 kills you and a hit with 2.000 reduces your life to 3.000, but with 100 % recoup this hit of 2.000 only reduces your life to 4.500?
@@csac1979 in theory it is, problem is you get kinda fked by how Agnostic keystone function in this case, which makes you lose 20% of your maximum mana on taking even 1 damage
@@UncleJay69 Thank you for your fast answer. As english is not my native language, its hard to understand a voice in a video. My question was independet from your build. It seems to be an easy way to quadruple the effective life pool and I dont understand why not more people use it. You can play a CWS-build also with "low" energieshield (>100). Its not necessary to reduce it to zero with "Agnostic". High level enemies will nevertheless always stun you.
Hello, what would happen if you slap Dissolution of the Flesh in there with Agnostic? If life did not lose the mana would not be lost? and POB pls i want to try it out thank you
Can't you get instant mana recovery with the mod "x% chance to recover 10% of mana when you use a skill while affected by Clarity" watcher's eye and the mana mastery "10% chance to recover 10% of mana when you use a skill?" Does this not work with CWS?
@@snuxuishere120 i think for this one its pretty obvious :)) and to be fair the pob isnt that complicated to figure out if you can understand how to fix the problem anyway. Its a mana stacking tree with a slight twist to the bottom size
if you only want es to be zero all the time , take eternal youth and rightouse fire at fisrt , then the es will not be regenerate anymore. I listen twice of your two problem , still can't ensure what is your main problem. hope it can help the cwc manastacking bd
@@MintGreenSs your maximum es need to be 0 or very low (500 at most), not your current es, sothat method does t work for cws. Cws specifically need to manipulate your stun threshold to a very low value so you can get stunned all the time. By default its based on life, which we dont want it to be too low. It can be changed to be based on mana with an unique boots, which in this case we want our mana to be high as well. So the only way viable is to use Valyrium ring and make stun threshold based on ES. Which result in the problem i talked about here in this video with agnostic
@@andrewnguyen3312 the build have some functional problem, which i tested out and dont think there is a solution at all for it with the current patch balance. So I dont want to leave pob here, to prevent clueless players who thinks it looks cool and try to copy it, just to realize quickly that its a waste of money
from my experience with mana stacking builds, if you want to use Agnostic in this situation you need to also stack damage reduction / conversion, mana regen, mana recoup in an attempt to not go OOM. i vaguely remember max damage to mana recoup is 50% (tree + watcher's eye) and mana regen can go as high as 200 - 300%. along with damage conversion, it allowed mana stacking builds to stand in Sirus' degen pools. its a tech i am not an expert with but i only know roughly about. you need to find out more yourself unfortunately.
@@kenneth5624 if you watch the part where i explain the anti-synergy, you wouldnt want to copy it really. My jugg cws is much better than this one just because of game mechanic
@@LongFishCantSwim apparently it doesnt help much. It only help if the dmg you take is less than 10% of your life pool, which isnt that much actually as we stack mana and not life, so i still face the same issue as i briefly tried it out in game sadly
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whats funny is I was thinking about a char just like this (mana stacker + cws) I was thinking indigon + archmage and find a way to fix the mana but I never tried to build it. It also feels bad to get all this stuff for more es and not use es
edit: seeing agnostic actually be used for its entire purpose is cool (mana heal hp)
sad to see you can leech mana from spells
@@whateverppl1229 yeah but mechanically its actually very build disabling for taking lots of hits.
When doing ultimatums or other AFK strategies, which one is better, jugg or chief?
@@Lun0126 roughly same
Interesting build. A question to 7:10 to "recoup" for my understanding: If you all together recoup 100 % (50 % as life and 50 % as mana) => I know, that each hit is divided into four smaller parts and if you survive the initial hit, you are unkillable? And: As the hit is divided into 4 smaller parts, your maximum hit taken is four times higher?? So with 5000 life normally a hit with 5.001 kills you and a hit with 2.000 reduces your life to 3.000, but with 100 % recoup this hit of 2.000 only reduces your life to 4.500?
@@csac1979 in theory it is, problem is you get kinda fked by how Agnostic keystone function in this case, which makes you lose 20% of your maximum mana on taking even 1 damage
@@UncleJay69 Thank you for your fast answer. As english is not my native language, its hard to understand a voice in a video. My question was independet from your build. It seems to be an easy way to quadruple the effective life pool and I dont understand why not more people use it. You can play a CWS-build also with "low" energieshield (>100). Its not necessary to reduce it to zero with "Agnostic". High level enemies will nevertheless always stun you.
@@csac1979 its hard, since we have sources of mana as extra es
Have you considered a CI with aegis cws setup? It might be possible
@@ryy1704 i am planning to do it actually. Need some time to theorycraft and then actually build it and test in game first
I just built a generals cry + tectonic slam of the cataclysm juggernaut
did not enjoy it very much :/
Hello, what would happen if you slap Dissolution of the Flesh in there with Agnostic? If life did not lose the mana would not be lost? and POB pls i want to try it out thank you
it kinda is the same, until you run out of mana, so no difference really
Can't you get instant mana recovery with the mod "x% chance to recover 10% of mana when you use a skill while affected by Clarity" watcher's eye and the mana mastery "10% chance to recover 10% of mana when you use a skill?" Does this not work with CWS?
@@brianh5844 that doesnt work if you trigger spells sadly, so no
@@UncleJay69 bummer
Someone might solve the problems with pob available, you never know xD
@@snuxuishere120 i think for this one its pretty obvious :)) and to be fair the pob isnt that complicated to figure out if you can understand how to fix the problem anyway. Its a mana stacking tree with a slight twist to the bottom size
Wow ty for this video
if you only want es to be zero all the time , take eternal youth and rightouse fire at fisrt , then the es will not be regenerate anymore.
I listen twice of your two problem , still can't ensure what is your main problem.
hope it can help the cwc manastacking bd
@@MintGreenSs your maximum es need to be 0 or very low (500 at most), not your current es, sothat method does t work for cws. Cws specifically need to manipulate your stun threshold to a very low value so you can get stunned all the time. By default its based on life, which we dont want it to be too low. It can be changed to be based on mana with an unique boots, which in this case we want our mana to be high as well. So the only way viable is to use Valyrium ring and make stun threshold based on ES. Which result in the problem i talked about here in this video with agnostic
If that is the only problem then could you use an amulet with negative ES (from mist)?
@@mardantheman1 it's not enough, far from enough even with max negative rolls from all 3 pieces
Is there a pob?
@@andrewnguyen3312 the build have some functional problem, which i tested out and dont think there is a solution at all for it with the current patch balance. So I dont want to leave pob here, to prevent clueless players who thinks it looks cool and try to copy it, just to realize quickly that its a waste of money
pob build please
@@nguyentrunghieu1521 yếu hơn cws thường nhiều bác
from my experience with mana stacking builds, if you want to use Agnostic in this situation you need to also stack damage reduction / conversion, mana regen, mana recoup in an attempt to not go OOM.
i vaguely remember max damage to mana recoup is 50% (tree + watcher's eye) and mana regen can go as high as 200 - 300%. along with damage conversion, it allowed mana stacking builds to stand in Sirus' degen pools.
its a tech i am not an expert with but i only know roughly about. you need to find out more yourself unfortunately.
pobbin?
@@kenneth5624 if you watch the part where i explain the anti-synergy, you wouldnt want to copy it really. My jugg cws is much better than this one just because of game mechanic
Life mastery for 95% as full life should help.
@@LongFishCantSwim wait thats actually a genius idea, let me try it
@@LongFishCantSwim apparently it doesnt help much. It only help if the dmg you take is less than 10% of your life pool, which isnt that much actually as we stack mana and not life, so i still face the same issue as i briefly tried it out in game sadly