53. The Pact of Umar (Jewish History Lab)

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  • @marilynflax8622
    @marilynflax8622 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Thanks for continuing the series. I am learning so much; and so easily. All I have to do is pay attention, think, and listen.

  • @nazimahmed5910
    @nazimahmed5910 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you Dr. Henry for taking us back in 7th century history. I am a muslim but I am not religious blind. I am open to learn new things whether it is religious or social matter.
    Please enroch us with your vast knowledge. As a muslim I feel a connection among us, the muslim, jews and Christian .

    • @mrmuhammad11
      @mrmuhammad11 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Religiously blind or culturally blind?

  • @osamaali2388
    @osamaali2388 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    As a Muslim, I really respect your knowledge and neutrality. I'm so happy to learn from your lectures.
    I hope we can always find common grounds and unite under one true God of Abraham.
    Thank you for your efforts

  • @LondonFriendsWalks
    @LondonFriendsWalks 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Can anyone help me with this question. I visited Jerusalem in 2018 and was told that when Omar came to Jerusalem there were no Jews there because they’d been expelled by 5he Christians for siding with the Persians. I was told two conflicting stories, 1 Omar agreed to honour the Christian ban on Jews not being allowed in to Jerusalem. 2 I was also told he was so shocked there were no Jews in Jerusalem that he immediately arranged for seventy Jewish families to be settled in Jerusalem. Which story is correct?

    • @frenzalrhomb6919
      @frenzalrhomb6919 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      More than likely the second, because when the Crusaders took Jerusalem, it was said that they put each man, woman and child and even livestock to the sword. But which ruler the second story is alluding to, I can't say.

  • @SE-yl5qj
    @SE-yl5qj 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    i enjoy every single video from you Dr. Abramson. you are a treasure.

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you so much for your kind words!
      I am very glad that you enjoy the videos.

  • @laurenannkattner7030
    @laurenannkattner7030 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am so glad you discussed this document.

  • @lastwolf4057
    @lastwolf4057 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a Muslim, I would like to correct you that the People of the Book are only Jews and Christians only, there are no Hindus or Zoroastrians.
    People of the Book have special treatment and even special protection from the state
    I would like to thank you for bringing up these wonderful topics. We are just here to learn from each other

    • @atakancolak8411
      @atakancolak8411 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      As a Muslim, I'd like to correct you that in some contexts Zoroastrians and Hindus were in dhimmi status by Islamic scholars. If you'd like to know more, do research the conquest of Persia for Zoroastrians, and Mughals for Hindus's status.

    • @fajranshams1971
      @fajranshams1971 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@atakancolak8411
      Who were dhimmi in Medina during Prophet Muhammad PBUH?
      Hindus or Parsis?

    • @atakancolak8411
      @atakancolak8411 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@fajranshams1971 You can't argue with scholars with such examples.
      Prophet allowed Christians to worship in the Masjid because they needed to, do we allow them now?

    • @mohsinrehman3026
      @mohsinrehman3026 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@atakancolak8411 Qur'an refers Abrahamic religion as people of book. Followers of Torah, Injeel and Qur'an.

    • @irrationalidiot676
      @irrationalidiot676 หลายเดือนก่อน

      This comment itself shoes that israel is doing the right thing.islam should be banned or people like you should be given the status of subhumans

  • @j.a.130
    @j.a.130 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I believe that the Pact of Umar is a final version of a set of rules that were modified and added during the first two centuries of Islam, which does not diminish its validity as a historical document although it can't be attributed to a single period of time or ruler. Thank you Mr. Abrahamson

  • @Madame_Boudica
    @Madame_Boudica 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The moral question remains: Is it better to be a "pet" without freedom or a "stray" with no master? It seems history dictates that human nature is inclined to have an overlord--even to their detriment. It is an interesting concept to consider as it is wrapped in spiritual, physical, and mental implications. The past reveals which pathway people typically gravitate towards. And it never ceases to amaze me that masses of people will willingly be subject to an elite few. (Thank you for the concise lecture on the Umar pact, by the way! Someone referred it to me to better understand the culture Christians and Jews were subjected to under Muslim rule and it has been eye-opening to see that the Arab claims are not entirely as peaceful or mutually beneficial as pro-Palestinian liberals would like us to believe.)

  • @alambhai0926
    @alambhai0926 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Prohibition against building new churches, places of worship, monasteries, or a new cell. (Hence it was also forbidden to build new synagogues. It is known that new synagogues were only built after the occupation of Islam, for example in Jerusalem and Ramle. A similar law, prohibiting the building of new synagogues, existed in the Byzantines, and was therefore not new for all Jews. It was new for the Christians.)
    Prohibition against rebuilding destroyed churches, by day or night, in their own neighbourhoods or those situated in Muslim quarters.
    The places of worship of non-Muslims must be lower in elevation than the lowest mosque in town.
    The houses of non-Muslims must not be taller in elevation than the houses of Muslims.
    Prohibition against hanging a cross on the outside of Churches.
    Muslims should be allowed to enter Churches (for shelter) at any time, both day and night.
    Obliging the call to prayer by a bell or a kind of Gong (Nakos) to be low in volume.
    Prohibition against Christians and Jews raising their voices at prayer times.
    Prohibition against teaching non-Muslim children the Qur'an.
    Christians forbidden to publicly display their religion, or to be seen with Christian books or symbols in public, on the roads or in the markets of the Muslims.
    Palm Sunday and Easter parades were banned.
    Funerals to be conducted quietly.
    Prohibition against burying non-Muslim dead near Muslims.
    Prohibition against raising a pig next to a Muslims neighbour.

  • @syedabdulwahidsohaily493
    @syedabdulwahidsohaily493 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Salam 🙏🏻 Henry Sir 👍🏻 thank you thank you so very much Sir 🙏🏻 for your kind knowledgeable videos 👍🏻✅I feel indebted Sir 👍🏻 May God always Bless you 💞 Amen 🌹 Sohail Karachi Pakistan ❤️👍🏻

  • @zafirjoe18
    @zafirjoe18 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omar was the brother in law of the Exilarch.
    He gave to Bostenai the daughter of the Persian king he conquered , he also married one of them . Imagine the irony of it the dome of the rock built on the holy of holies , in the name of Omar.
    This was a contentious issue between the descendants of Bostenai through his Jewish wife that beheld the descendants of the Persian wife illegitimate .
    For the legend of how Bostenai ended up being the only descendant of the Davidic line , see Epistle of R’Shrira Gaon , or Seder olam zuta.

  • @mohammedaydid6086
    @mohammedaydid6086 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Correction: according to the Holy Quran ,”people of the Book is meant only Jews and Christians not Hindus or other religious groups. Thanks

    • @wali9378
      @wali9378 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Zoroastrians were also included as it was also monotheistic religion and Muslims considered Zarathustra as a prophet from the prophetic tradition which started from Adam and Ended with Mohammad.Hence being a prophet of God and being sent with some revelations, his people were also people of the Book.

  • @Bababui69
    @Bababui69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Good day Sir, what is your opinion about Gulf States such as UAE and Saudi Arabia trying to encourage Jews to come. I grew up in Uzbekistan and the Muslims were very welcoming. The Bukhara Khanate had a lot of Jews that were in central Asia then the WW2 evacuation.

  • @icysaracen3054
    @icysaracen3054 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    When the Sunni praise Omar and the Shia criticise him, it’s ironic that the sunnis refer to third party Jewish sources to support their argument

    • @wali9378
      @wali9378 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      How is that ironic? Muslims use Jewish sources for all kind of arguments.In fact Muslims scholars study Jewish scriptures to understand the history of Islam better.

  • @sunset2.00
    @sunset2.00 3 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Hope muslim and jews can become bros again...

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yes

    • @onewildandcrazyguy9213
      @onewildandcrazyguy9213 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I would like to see them as equal Brothers. Unfortunately that wasn't the case under islam. But we live in a new era with a different set of ideals

    • @zx300ttt
      @zx300ttt ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Amen inshallah

    • @zx300ttt
      @zx300ttt ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HenryAbramsonPhD Rabi I’m a Muslim iraqi but I took DNA test and it said I’m 96% Saudi and 2% Iraqi my tribe is named Benyhlail and great grand Father’s say we are from Mecca originally and I was wondering if we are the lost Jewish tribe if you have any information thank you

    • @Bittzen
      @Bittzen ปีที่แล้ว

      @@zx300ttt "Lost Jewish tribes" just refer to Jews who lost connection to Judaism and literacy in Hebrew and Jewish texts throughout history and throughout different lands. You should find a local Orthodox Jewish synagogue and try to convert if you want to rejoin the Jewish people again and begin learning how to be a Jew, which may be easier if your entire maternal lineage was maintained by Jewish mothers.

  • @explore.365
    @explore.365 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you Rabbi 🎶🎵

  • @Alkes777
    @Alkes777 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Rabbi, do we have any writings from the Jews of Arabia themselves? Any indication of their lineage or history of their migration? Is it known whether they had exposure to the Talmud either before or after the appearance of Islam? Sorry about all the questions but this niche of our history has been quite vague to me and is most fascinating.
    I have just recently discovered your TH-cam lectures. As a student of the history of the Levant I thoroughly enjoy your perspective as well as your delivery of the subject matter. Thank you.

    • @beliefinjustice448
      @beliefinjustice448 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He’s not a rabbi but a historian, FYI. I found an interesting article that suggests the Jews of Arabia might have come in part from Sadducean and other Jews emigrating from Israel after the destruction of the Temple and after the Bar Kochba revolt. It also suggests that-contrary to popular belief-a plurality of Jews continued to live in Israel for hundreds of years after Bar Kochba’s defeat, even as diaspora communities of Jews in Arabia and elsewhere were growing. academia.edu/resource/work/44079992

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks for the kind words. You might want to take a look at the works of Norman Stillman.

  • @naturalissima5903
    @naturalissima5903 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge.

  • @A-Kucuk
    @A-Kucuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    You say “only repair of existing” regarding religious structures. Though in Islamic sources, even this was not allowed.
    Or was this only in Syrian Christiaan pact?
    “We made a condition on ourselves that we will neither erect in our areas a monastery, church, or a sanctuary for a monk, nor restore any place of worship that needs restoration”

    • @A-Kucuk
      @A-Kucuk 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      I really don’t understand how you can bring this so positive and say “Jews were happy with this.”
      If you look at the pact, it’s so humilating… For example Jews/Christians had to stand up when a Muslim arrived and have him sit… 🤨

  • @marilynflax8622
    @marilynflax8622 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Are you going to continue your series “Thirty brief lectures on the Holocaust?”

  • @stevenv6463
    @stevenv6463 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Could you comment on the Teaching of Jacob? Some scholars think that it shows a really close relationship of Islam and Judaism but it seems like those scholars are making a lot out of very little.

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not on my research agenda right now, sorry.

  • @rizkh7818
    @rizkh7818 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The pact was with christians.
    Not jews n its muslims umer added clause that jews were allowed to worship come from allo over the world.
    Coz it was not allowed for jews to live n come in the state by christians.
    So when they said they said we want to do pact with umer in physical presence.
    Its because they want securities n knows the umer.
    It is most pertinent to highlight
    When umer said that jews will be allowed to come n visit like christians n muslims.
    These were christians who pursuaded and become successful to add the condition that jews will not be allowed to stay n make homes
    Just come visit n go. Its well researched.

  • @milovanprelevic318
    @milovanprelevic318 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose… In 2019, the Province of Quebec passed a law prohibiting public servants from wearing religious symbols, so now it’s illegal to wear a yarmulke while teaching at a public school or university, or while working in a public hospital, for example. A few years earlier, the Montreal borough of Outremont-home to Canada’s biggest Hasidic community-prohibited all street processions in order to prevent a planned Skverer event from going ahead, and changed its zoning bylaw to prevent a proposed shul expansion. I’m ashamed to say that antisemitism is alive and well in my hometown, and that Canada’s federal government is doing nothing to fight it, for fear of offending Quebec voters, who obviously support such measures, given that they just re-elected the premier with a solid majority.

  • @EdHird
    @EdHird 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very informative, Henry. Thank you.

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Glad you enjoyed it!

    • @onewildandcrazyguy9213
      @onewildandcrazyguy9213 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HenryAbramsonPhD Have you ever thought about doing a video on Jews that thrived under Christendom in the Middle ages. I always hear people talking about how Jews were persecuted under Christendom in the Middle ages and they're certainly was a lot of that. But that wasn't the case in all countries at all times. For instance Catholic Spain for a while was quite hospitable to Jews. I was wondering if you could do a video on this

  • @womanofvalour6601
    @womanofvalour6601 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dr. Abramson, is there a difference between Sunna and Shia Islam in the treatment of Jews? Are dhimmi laws shared by both?

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Not an expert in Sunna and Shia Islam, but my understanding is that the dhimmi laws are the same. Note however that there is significant regional difference, and at different periods of time.

    • @Abdullah-qe7sf
      @Abdullah-qe7sf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I don't think they would recognise anything even mildly related to Hazrat Omar. Even tjo the pact wasn't made by him but i don't think shias would recognise it as they only recognise one caliph Hazrat Ali , not the first 3.

  • @lilianawolosin109
    @lilianawolosin109 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Did the Pact of Umar apply in the 19th and 20th century Arab lands? What about in the Ottoman Empire?

  • @luiscecilio8807
    @luiscecilio8807 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    eheheh...no hard questions .......great history content decorated with humor....thanks Prof.

  • @chodeshadar18
    @chodeshadar18 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bojamoi! Makes you appreciate America all the more!

  • @khalidahmed5845
    @khalidahmed5845 ปีที่แล้ว

    the second khalifa was OMAR BIN AL KHATTAB...he who write the pact

  • @levand3673
    @levand3673 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hillel, are you going to talk about the Jews of Timbuktu?

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Depends on the scope of future research.

  • @nogodbutallah2ify
    @nogodbutallah2ify 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    hindus are not refered as People of the Book. it just includes Jews, Christians and Zoroastrians.

    • @houssameddinekourchi2495
      @houssameddinekourchi2495 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Also not Zoroastrians ! Zoroastrians are mushrik ! People of the book are only the abrahamic monothiestic religions judaism and christianity !

    • @allonifrah3465
      @allonifrah3465 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@houssameddinekourchi2495 By that logic, Christians are mushrik too. Christians, besides God ("The Father") also worship Jesus ('The son"), who was a man.

    • @wuwei6403
      @wuwei6403 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@allonifrah3465 i heard that! Salam!

    • @sbasha7
      @sbasha7 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@allonifrah3465 no certain strands (at least in that time) of christianity had forms of monotheism.

    • @Madame_Boudica
      @Madame_Boudica 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@sbasha7 Christianity is in fact monotheistic. They believe, and have always only believed, in One G-d.

  • @36uabi46
    @36uabi46 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    In islam the most important think that may give crefence to any document or not is the chain of narrator.
    There is unanimous consenses that the Umar pact is not authentic

  • @Purecarbo
    @Purecarbo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Jerusalem should uphold the holy laws that both Abrahamic faiths agree upon-There is no excuse for ignoring laws of modesty in holy lands for Muslims.

  • @Hypocritial
    @Hypocritial 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Where do followers of Hinduism, Budhism, Jainism, Japanese Shintoism and Chinese Confuciunism stand in pact of Omar?

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Not really my area, but the Mughal Empire had to find a way to manage multiethnic societies.

    • @Hypocritial
      @Hypocritial 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In practice By destroying Temples and forcibly converting the Hindus in tens of millions

  • @helderchimbalandongohelder7475
    @helderchimbalandongohelder7475 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Very interesting lecture

  • @zavar3485
    @zavar3485 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Henry! Been enjoying your videos thoroughly! I’ve got a challenge for you. Is there any way we can prove of Moses existence

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      You can watch my earlier videos on the period.

  • @Nudnik1
    @Nudnik1 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Thanks

  • @anthonymark1053
    @anthonymark1053 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Omar helped Jews to visit the Holy Sanctuary which was not the case because the Area was populated with Christains and how much Christains hated Jews is known by History.Jews were thrown out and the Temple was destructed and taken as refugees by Nebuchadnazar ...they were liberated by Cryus the Great and is sometime accredited with the building of Second Temple which may be later refurbished by Herod the Great.Under the Romans the Jews were very oppressive towards the Christian and did every possible thing to put the Holy One on the Cross{Not all Jews}.The Second temple is destructed and in 4th Century Roman Empire becomes Christian again the Jews are oppressed and now after the Siege of Jerusalem Omar gave them chance to visit the Jerusalem ....Can you imagine that time when Christains were in majority but still due to Muslims Jews could enter Jerusalem again and worship in Peace under Protection.Muslims also pay tax .... Read Ridda Wars regarding the Importance of Tax in Islam and understand it.Assalam

  • @saiyeedaurangzebhussainmlm4575
    @saiyeedaurangzebhussainmlm4575 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hey Henry, u know the part of the pact of Umar where the nonmuslims have to shave the front part of there hair, well the Muslim dictators took over the Hindu and their laws five hundred years ago and made Hindus their slaves, this is why hare Krishna shave their head and are monks cuz back in the day the mohammedian Government in India made it so that only the Muslims were pimping chicks, and the Muslim king and the Hindu daughters of the enslaved Hindus were considered to be the male and female idols that the shaven monks would worship, kinda like how nowadays those in the porn sex industry mafia have more rights than those who are not in the industry,

  • @Asdfhjkl998
    @Asdfhjkl998 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Omer mother is Jew , and he doesn’t like Mishnah ...it’s written in buhari.....Jew pay jizre , and Muslim pay to government sadaka and it’s not soo different..........any way in Islamic world every islamic sect have deferent close......plus most of Islamic low copy of Jewish low Talmud ........

    • @Bittzen
      @Bittzen ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Is the book's full name called "Buhari"?
      And what's the source for when you said most of Islamic law is copied from the Jewish Talmud? I'm Jewish and would like to read into these things, and I had some of my own suspicions that this may be true.

  • @abdilion5
    @abdilion5 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Rather than informing us the exact treaty word by word, you hypocriticaly distort its meaning trying to mislead people knowing facts.
    The first time Muslims conquered Jerusalem when the time of the afternoon prayer (dhuhur) arrived, Sophronius invited Caliph Umar to pray in the rebuilt Church of the Holy Sepulchre. Umar declined, fearing that accepting the invitation might endanger the church's status as a place of Christian worship, and that Muslims might break the treaty and turn the church into a mosque. After staying for ten days in Jerusalem, the caliph returned to Medina.
    When Muslims liberated Jerusalem from Roman Empire, for the first time, after almost 500 years of oppressive Roman rule, Jews were once again allowed to live inside Jerusalem.
    When Crusaders conquered Jerusalem, they massacred Muslims inhabitants (more than 10,000), they boasted that the flow of blood reached up to their knees. But Muslims (Salah u diin) reconquered Jerusalem they protected all inhabitants irrespective to their religion including blood thirsty Crusaders.

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think if you watched a few more of these videos you would see that I address these issues. Please refrain from making unhelpful accusations.

    • @Abdullah-qe7sf
      @Abdullah-qe7sf 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      He clearly said that the Muslims themselves atribute this pact to Hazrat Omar. While historians put it around 9th century.
      Its well known Hazrat Omar made a different pact which was actually a letter which was formalised by Hazrat Omar.
      Jews if that time rather referred to Hazrat omar as a friend. Unlike today mulsim and jews had better relations.

  • @darshansingh4375
    @darshansingh4375 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The tragedy is that, today’s Israelis are colonising Palestinian land , forcing Muslims and Christians from Palestine to become refugees.SALAM SHANTI SHALOM.

    • @gauravshah7726
      @gauravshah7726 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      yes, instead palestinians must give jizya to jews and repair of mosques must be prohibited in jewish state.

    • @Obit0bi
      @Obit0bi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@gauravshah7726they already paying taxes

  • @matrixgotu2435
    @matrixgotu2435 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ITs called Apartheid.

    • @HenryAbramsonPhD
      @HenryAbramsonPhD  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Complicated

    • @matrixgotu2435
      @matrixgotu2435 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Very much so, I also see the influence in Afrikaaner apartheid*, communism and nazism. The clues are there, same song different melody.* Strange that the SA fools have forgotten who brought the K-ward and racism to South Africa in the first place.@@HenryAbramsonPhD

    • @gauravshah7726
      @gauravshah7726 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@HenryAbramsonPhD
      yes, even aparthied is complicated. so let's not call aparthied wrong.

  • @ay-zt4qw
    @ay-zt4qw 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fake