Awesome data! For me personally its also very clear what I should be doing. I can only grind a few hours per week. And getting boss fams would be a nice boost in damage. I'm still doing mostly midgame bosses (before BM) so that Boss Damage boost would be huge. And I can't grind enough to make any meaningful levels for my sac progression, plus i dont care about endgame bosses all that much. I know the chances of getting boss damage familiars are low, but if I do get them it would save me time later. So I can then grind those 6th job materials in Grandis. So far the current trend is that leveling and getting the 6th job resources is going to be easier over time anyway. So might as well try to get lucky before I focus on 6th job.
yeah 100% understand that position aswell! it's easier for me to say not to farm fams when I currently have them, BUT I do wish you the best of luck and PRAYING you hit that 40/40/40 XD. Good luck man keep up the amazing content!
Best video you’ve put out to date! Super informative and amazing job dumbing it down into how many WAPs per day for my brain to wrap around it. This makes me realize how possible it is to get where I want to before new age! Thank you! Love this type of content.
Ty for showing the reality of familiars. I never got a boss familiars while training to 275 at Limina. Once Cernium came, I never looked back. I liberated w.o. boss familiars and oz rings as a Phantom! Boss familiars are a privilege not a necessity. You can always get familiars with other characters ~
I've heard this so many times but LET US REROLL FAMS FOR MESO. Fashionstory players will be happy and mid/late game players can now focus on the new content without FOMO...
Noob at the game here... sorry but I got some burning questions about Familiars D: 1) Is there any difference between farming familiars of strong/high level monsters vs. low level ones? Aren't the effects random regardless? 2) Do I really have to collect thousands of familiar cards to get a single familiar to Unique/Legendary? And if the effect sucks do I have to collect another set of thousands of familiar cards to take a different Rare familiar to Legendary? 3) Since you re-roll effects after ranking up a familiar, doesn't that mean that a Familiar's effect does not really matter until you get it to Legendary? Sorry for the essay!
1.) no difference, but the reason people always have "high level area" fams is because the mob count is high which means MORE FAMS xd 2.) yes it's a 40% tier up rate from epic > unique, and every fail it goes DOWN 50 fam points. usually costs around 250 per unique 3.) you can only get legendary in reg server. reboot you can only get to unique
Spitting at 3:15 - 3:37. A good way to think about it I feel is that you NEED levels to do later/end-game content, you don't NEED boss fams for anything in the game besides like Extreme mode shit. I do think someone can make the argument that they can always level later, and that fams might get removed and become legacy or something though. With Nexon who truly knows lol. But like you said near the middle-end of the video, I'd personally highly encourage players to farm whichever they want (exp vs fams), as long as they have the proper information before making their decision. And not that anyone asked, but here's my perspective on why I specifically have been farming fams still in Limina (I'm a DS main, keep that in mind): **1. My (lack of) Ability to Grind:** I don't have it in me to grind super heavy all the time, so I choose to farm fams in Limina since it's super easy farming. I'm doing this until Night Troupe comes where I'll then use my actual ability to grind for the most gains at Cern. This decision is also made to prevent me from burning out, especially since I plan to farm hardest when New Age hits for 6th job mats. **2. Meso:** The current state of my character can and will benefit tremendously from the next SSF event, so the 1b/wap tp farming at Limina will go a very long way for me; since I can only train at Cern in full damage gear atm. **3. Decent EXP:** Since I'm only level 263, farming at Limina still gives me passable exp, especially for the work it takes. This plus the meso plus the "chance" at getting good fams makes it very worth it for me, especially since I wouldn't be doing nearly as many waps if I were to be grinding with a real and involved rotation at Cern. So yea, I definitely agree levels are way more important right now because of reasons mentioned in this video; but make your best choice based on your own account and ability/time to play the game folks! Except for during night troupe. You're griefing if you aren't doing at least SOME exp grinding during night troupe. Lmaoo, and ofc they should add fams to Grandis come on now.
yeah 100% agree with your take and reason for farming fams. whichever someone chooses to do is fine imo as long as they realize how difficult fams can be, be again great takes! appreciate your response!
I would still go for a large drop fam since it's super important for 6th job farming and it also works on pitched and oz boxes. I was grinding on my second main for my third boss fam since I had two 20% boss fams and by some miracle I hit 40% boss and 20% ied on one fam so I'm gonna call it a day on that one. But I agree that the system is poorly implemented and the hours you have to put in is ridiculous.
I feel for my Reboot friends. This is precisely the kind of thing that keeps me playing in Bera. I hope you all get thrown a bone and Grandis fams come out.
Hey, do you have data on any potential changes as it relates to dailies/quest exp now and in New Age? I don't farm much and that's my method or lvling, will there be changes in the future and how much slower/faster will it be?
The thing with fams is they have now became legacy content that you should not think of. The only thing that matters is 6th job because it is guaranteed 150% fd after grinding out 1000 hours to max of the current few skills we get in new age. If grinding out fams gave the same 150% fd it still wouldn't be worth it because you could hit in the same 1000 hours or go double or triple. It would be like not taking a really good job off that pays well instead continuing to work your low paying job and putting your savings on lottery tickets because you could get lucky and become a millionaire. Fam farming is only going to become worse when they add more skills to 6th ensuring we will never get the same fd% from fams.
Its mind blowing how ppl don’t understand the exp nerf is gonna hit them like a brick, People in comments thinking they can farm a couple hours a day/week and magically pull out boss fams from thin air😂 GL bro
I've been getting around 3-4% per 30 minutes, and thats at lvl 255. Which is 12-16% per WAP. But you are saying 22% from 260-270. What am I doing wrong? 😕
260-270 gets you higher rates bc although the amount of xp require to level up is pretty much doubled compared to like 250-260 the monsters in grandis (260+) give you like 3x the xp of lim and below mobs
@@NinjaStep301 Oh dang, that's crazy, I had no idea. Too bad I won't get to really utilize that, as by the time I hit 260 exp will be nerfed xD thanks for explaining that to me though! :)
Just as a counterargument, I would only skip limina if you never plan on ever going back to farm for fams, otherwise you're actually doubling the amount of time you're spending. The 600 hours you need to get 3x 30% remains 600 hours regardless of whether you do it grinding from 260-280 or hitting 280 first and going back to farm fams after.
farm exp on main, farm fams on hexa burn. Make your hexa burn to 202, get full meso/drop gears and by the time youre 260, youl have a nice amount of fams to open.
Been an on-and-off player for years now, and this is the first time I'm even trying to use familiars. I have failed 4 times now trying to go just from epic to unique on a single familiar, and let me say this shit SUCKS.
Math. There are numbers out there that give probability of each line(idk how accurate those are but not point of this reply.) and he is just presenting the data.
Just remember you can watch all 1000 episodes of one piece and not see a single boss familiar.
XD
time for a rewatch then!
@@CnossbossPlays i'll settle for my 3 ied fams, and kill my bosses in 16 minutes instead of 12 minutes. not a big whoop.
@@OMGFrijolesyes, luckily rare and epic do possess ied pots on them
Awesome data! For me personally its also very clear what I should be doing. I can only grind a few hours per week. And getting boss fams would be a nice boost in damage. I'm still doing mostly midgame bosses (before BM) so that Boss Damage boost would be huge. And I can't grind enough to make any meaningful levels for my sac progression, plus i dont care about endgame bosses all that much.
I know the chances of getting boss damage familiars are low, but if I do get them it would save me time later. So I can then grind those 6th job materials in Grandis. So far the current trend is that leveling and getting the 6th job resources is going to be easier over time anyway. So might as well try to get lucky before I focus on 6th job.
yeah 100% understand that position aswell! it's easier for me to say not to farm fams when I currently have them, BUT I do wish you the best of luck and PRAYING you hit that 40/40/40 XD. Good luck man keep up the amazing content!
@@Ereklo_Game thanks! I'll need it 🥲
@@coppersan you will never hit that 40/40/40. He is praying up the wrong tree.
@@coppersan I read your name and all I can hear is your video intro lol
Og goat but this is an L take sorry 😂
Best video you’ve put out to date! Super informative and amazing job dumbing it down into how many WAPs per day for my brain to wrap around it. This makes me realize how possible it is to get where I want to before new age! Thank you! Love this type of content.
Ty for showing the reality of familiars. I never got a boss familiars while training to 275 at Limina. Once Cernium came, I never looked back. I liberated w.o. boss familiars and oz rings as a Phantom! Boss familiars are a privilege not a necessity. You can always get familiars with other characters ~
You gave me hope. Thank you
with 12 WAPs a day that is a cake run
I've heard this so many times but LET US REROLL FAMS FOR MESO. Fashionstory players will be happy and mid/late game players can now focus on the new content without FOMO...
Yeah, very good idea!
Noob at the game here... sorry but I got some burning questions about Familiars D:
1) Is there any difference between farming familiars of strong/high level monsters vs. low level ones? Aren't the effects random regardless?
2) Do I really have to collect thousands of familiar cards to get a single familiar to Unique/Legendary? And if the effect sucks do I have to collect another set of thousands of familiar cards to take a different Rare familiar to Legendary?
3) Since you re-roll effects after ranking up a familiar, doesn't that mean that a Familiar's effect does not really matter until you get it to Legendary?
Sorry for the essay!
1.) no difference, but the reason people always have "high level area" fams is because the mob count is high which means MORE FAMS xd
2.) yes it's a 40% tier up rate from epic > unique, and every fail it goes DOWN 50 fam points. usually costs around 250 per unique
3.) you can only get legendary in reg server. reboot you can only get to unique
@@Ereklo_Game tysm boss this was v helpful!
Spitting at 3:15 - 3:37. A good way to think about it I feel is that you NEED levels to do later/end-game content, you don't NEED boss fams for anything in the game besides like Extreme mode shit. I do think someone can make the argument that they can always level later, and that fams might get removed and become legacy or something though. With Nexon who truly knows lol. But like you said near the middle-end of the video, I'd personally highly encourage players to farm whichever they want (exp vs fams), as long as they have the proper information before making their decision. And not that anyone asked, but here's my perspective on why I specifically have been farming fams still in Limina (I'm a DS main, keep that in mind):
**1. My (lack of) Ability to Grind:** I don't have it in me to grind super heavy all the time, so I choose to farm fams in Limina since it's super easy farming. I'm doing this until Night Troupe comes where I'll then use my actual ability to grind for the most gains at Cern. This decision is also made to prevent me from burning out, especially since I plan to farm hardest when New Age hits for 6th job mats.
**2. Meso:** The current state of my character can and will benefit tremendously from the next SSF event, so the 1b/wap tp farming at Limina will go a very long way for me; since I can only train at Cern in full damage gear atm.
**3. Decent EXP:** Since I'm only level 263, farming at Limina still gives me passable exp, especially for the work it takes. This plus the meso plus the "chance" at getting good fams makes it very worth it for me, especially since I wouldn't be doing nearly as many waps if I were to be grinding with a real and involved rotation at Cern.
So yea, I definitely agree levels are way more important right now because of reasons mentioned in this video; but make your best choice based on your own account and ability/time to play the game folks! Except for during night troupe. You're griefing if you aren't doing at least SOME exp grinding during night troupe. Lmaoo, and ofc they should add fams to Grandis come on now.
yeah 100% agree with your take and reason for farming fams. whichever someone chooses to do is fine imo as long as they realize how difficult fams can be, be again great takes! appreciate your response!
You should make a video on EXP vs Legion/Boss mule leveling
Joe always lookin out for us. I’ll do the XP brother can always go back for fams
yesssir!
I used all my fams from 245-260 and didn't even get a large drop. Definitely not grinding fams for boss because that's not happening.
sadge :(
Thanks for the info brother!! Such a big question so many people are curious about! ❤
I would still go for a large drop fam since it's super important for 6th job farming and it also works on pitched and oz boxes. I was grinding on my second main for my third boss fam since I had two 20% boss fams and by some miracle I hit 40% boss and 20% ied on one fam so I'm gonna call it a day on that one. But I agree that the system is poorly implemented and the hours you have to put in is ridiculous.
I do agree with the large drop fam argument forsure! I should have mentioned that in this video
I feel for my Reboot friends. This is precisely the kind of thing that keeps me playing in Bera. I hope you all get thrown a bone and Grandis fams come out.
do you reccomend spamming epic fams first or taking them all to unique one by one if you don't have large drop yet?
I spammed epics before and regret it! def just go uniques!
Can you share your sources/math? I would like to learn more about the odds and try to recreate the numbers you are sharing
Just remember the next unique can always be a 40%
LOL true
hahahaha
Hey, do you have data on any potential changes as it relates to dailies/quest exp now and in New Age? I don't farm much and that's my method or lvling, will there be changes in the future and how much slower/faster will it be?
if you don't farm that much the EXP "nerf" will actually be a buff for you since dailies are giving so much more EXP!
The thing with fams is they have now became legacy content that you should not think of. The only thing that matters is 6th job because it is guaranteed 150% fd after grinding out 1000 hours to max of the current few skills we get in new age. If grinding out fams gave the same 150% fd it still wouldn't be worth it because you could hit in the same 1000 hours or go double or triple. It would be like not taking a really good job off that pays well instead continuing to work your low paying job and putting your savings on lottery tickets because you could get lucky and become a millionaire. Fam farming is only going to become worse when they add more skills to 6th ensuring we will never get the same fd% from fams.
Do you think grinding fams until large drop it worth?
my guy i am level 265 and still farming for large drop good luck man
Returning player here, why can you not grind for both at the same time?
Don’t familiar cards drop from the mobs you grind on for exp?
I currently have 3 * 20% boss, would you guys recommend settling and train in grandis or keep going for higher?
I personally would 100% settle and move to Grandis if I had that. Best of luck!
Its mind blowing how ppl don’t understand the exp nerf is gonna hit them like a brick, People in comments thinking they can farm a couple hours a day/week and magically pull out boss fams from thin air😂 GL bro
till like 275 the leveling rate is kinda the same if not easier unless you grind 2 wap a day
I've been getting around 3-4% per 30 minutes, and thats at lvl 255. Which is 12-16% per WAP. But you are saying 22% from 260-270. What am I doing wrong? 😕
260-270 gets you higher rates bc although the amount of xp require to level up is pretty much doubled compared to like 250-260 the monsters in grandis (260+) give you like 3x the xp of lim and below mobs
@@NinjaStep301 Oh dang, that's crazy, I had no idea. Too bad I won't get to really utilize that, as by the time I hit 260 exp will be nerfed xD thanks for explaining that to me though! :)
Leveling is faster after 260 cause Grandis EXP is that much better
What top n btm u using for cash eqp??
How many hours average is it for large drop fam?
I have 2 30% Boss Fams I got from sheer luck. My friend grinded from 255 - 275 in Limina and has never seen a boss fam. The system is super garbage.
Is there large healing to party line on rare fam?
For higher bossss u need hp fams more than bossing ones..
Or people like me that has the jr boogies that i had from when it was first introduced xD
I just got to 260 to find out I’m time gated from legacy exp, is there anything I can do about this? I can’t one shot with 10 sacred force
I would honestly just farm in liminia until you have 40 or 50 SAC!
With tactical and sixth you might be able to get some symbols quicker than dailies
Thank you both for the advice!
how rare would a Epic Fam 30% Boss 3 % atk be?
like a hybrid? that's is incredibly rare!
Just as a counterargument, I would only skip limina if you never plan on ever going back to farm for fams, otherwise you're actually doubling the amount of time you're spending. The 600 hours you need to get 3x 30% remains 600 hours regardless of whether you do it grinding from 260-280 or hitting 280 first and going back to farm fams after.
Thanks for the great video Joe 😤 #12WAPMeta
YESSSIR!!!
Damm 20% per wap in 260-270? Im only getting like 8 or 9% per wap. Maybe im doing something wrong.
Sorry I should have clarified in the video! all the EXP rates are assuming you are farming in cernium!
farm exp on main, farm fams on hexa burn.
Make your hexa burn to 202, get full meso/drop gears and by the time youre 260, youl have a nice amount of fams to open.
and here I thought I was being unlucky.
Been an on-and-off player for years now, and this is the first time I'm even trying to use familiars. I have failed 4 times now trying to go just from epic to unique on a single familiar, and let me say this shit SUCKS.
Source?, those statistics are not accurate 🤷🏻♂️
Source?
You have a source? I would like to see yours
Yes they are. 🤷🏻♂️
How i wish maplesea have familiar.... without them im shit
260
20% a wap??
what am i doing wrong T-T
>there are ppl at 250 with 30% boss fans
Yeah, well there are also ppl at 275 without a single 20% boss fam 😅
exactly XD
If you're wap'n this hard, you're probably botting or you put a weight on your keyboard.
true!
This system needs to go.
FACTS! or just give red cards or fams in cernium!
grandis fams would be gg!
FACTS!
such a trash system
Mor3 than agreed
Where you get that precise numbers from? Like 194 epics for 20 boss - its its pure RNG?
Math. There are numbers out there that give probability of each line(idk how accurate those are but not point of this reply.) and he is just presenting the data.