One thing. You have to be long term bullish, and you have to be right. If you are wrong and the underlying goes south and stays there till expiration, you can lose up to (your entire investment - the premiums you get from selling calls). The advantage in that situation with owning the stocks is that at least they can recover if you hold them while an expired option cannot.
Also he doesn't mention with poor man's CC you pay way more commissions than trading stocks or conventional CC. It's because you can trade stocks on most US brokers commission free but not options.
@@ivantsanov3650 wjohnson had no clue, when/why to set up a pmcc. You should prefer high risk/voltatile stocks (if that is in your strategy anyway, no recommendation). The option premiums are high, but it's in some cases possible, to catch the long running itm call with a relative low premium. Advantage: Lower risk. If the stock goes to zero...you only lose the itm call position. Recover ? Is there a law, that you can't create the next pmcc ? No argument. For example: Stock 50...you buy itm call strike 30 for 22...stock falls to 20. Pmcc lost 22. Stockholder lost 30....company goes bankrupt...pmcc lost 22...stockholder lost 50.
You got yourself a new subscriber. Why? Clear explanation, zero fluff, no background biography - video not one second longer than it needed to be. Thank you. Now I'm gonna go binge your other videos.
OMG i watched one of those the other day where some guy continued to talk about background of himself and his whole family but also testimonials one after another. OMG we get it...
@rockwell me too thanks for these easy to understand videos. I️ just hate long videos and it’s just a bunch of fluff. But one question, how would I️ get my premium that I️ paid for the longer call? Do I️ sell it after my option expires?
Seeing this video in dec 2023, and i got to admit this is one of the simplest, fuss free, straightforward, no nonsense explanation videos about covered calls and poor mans cc in youtube! You got urself a sub and lots of likes and viewtime sir!
Nice video! Selling credit spreads is my favorite approach for consistent performance, but I like cash settled index options better as there is no assignment risk and offer more stability.
It has been a blessing to have the videos with Spanish subtitles. Thanks to that, I have been able to study and earn in dollars, spending in pesos. Greetings from Colombia and thank you very much for the teachings
Thank you so much for the feedback! I try to make these videos as clear, and to the point as possible. I'm glad you're getting good information from them. 😀
I came here after seeing the INthemoney channel try to explain this concept. He has no idea how to explain things to people who are trying to actually learn. THIS explanation in your video is a clear as can be. I really appreciate your hard work and your use of the charts and graphs and plugging in real examples. You earned a sub and a like, my friend - thanks so much, you are dynamite!
That is actually a good scenario. All you have to do is exercise your long option into shares, and then they will be called at a higher price than you exercised them for. PLUS, you kept the premium for the short call. The only downside to this scenario is that your profit is capped.
@@johncalvo1743 Well you do have to be careful that your profit isn't less than your premium paid. Say you paid $7 per share for a 3 month call at 150 and sold a 1 week call at 152.50 for .80. If you get assigned you'd make a total of 3.30 on the premium+share profits but lose $7 on the premium you paid. In that case you'd be better off buying the 152.50 call back before it gets exercised and then you could sell your 150 call that should have increased in value for a profit.
Don't you need extra money to exercise the ITM option? I thought you are poor and almost all the money is in ITM calls. Or so you need margin, or does the broker step on? They also allow you in a Level 1 account to sell a call without owning the stock?
If your PMCC gets called, most of he brokers automatically resolve it. You don't need to put more money because the profit you made with the BUY CALL is enough to compensate the SELL PUT, and 6 receive cash.
Best presentation on PMCC I have seen. Would be great if you can do a follow up on PMCCs addressing managing your positions such as when to sell your long call and when to buy to close your short call and then when to “roll it”. Also would be helpful if you can address other PMCC strategies regarding using LEAPS for the long call buy position and also pros/cons of using Delta as low as .70
Very helpful! I also appreciate you waiting until we've had a chance to watch for a few minutes before asking for likes/comments. Too many TH-camrs ask for likes/subscribes before I've even had a chance to decide whether I actually like the video. It's incredibly annoying.
This was fantastic, you are the first person to get me to understand covered calls fully, and I like the poor man's CC idea! I love that you have the three different outcomes laid out visually, and you take your time explaining what happens in each scenario. Thank you for this valuable video, I will definitely be dropping a like now.
Excellent breakdown. Very easy to follow. One thing to note: Rolling your covered calls at expiration unlocks a number of options. Either roll them down to a higher strike price or roll for additional premium. With PMCC, it's way easier to just completely eliminate the basis before exiting the trade. Also, I think settling for a lower delta on the long call is worth the trade-off of a lower opening basis. But this is a personal preference, I guess. I tend to calculate max profit as the difference in the strikes, without really regarding delta.
That’s awesome! I’m glad it’s all clicking for you. And hey, no need to rush-options will be there when you’re ready to jump in! When you do place that first trade, we’ll be cheering you on. 😊 Just remember, bravery in trading comes from having a solid strategy... and a little bit of courage, of course! 😉
Great video, however what happens to your deep in the money option that you paid $7100? it loses value over time. You either have to either roll it continuously which will cost money or sell it at a lower price?? Don't you have to account for this expense in your calcs? Also is it possible to get assigned before the expiration date if the stock price goes way up? How would you handle that. thanks
If the short call gets assigned at expiration, your broker should automatically exercise the long call. Because of the higher delta of your long call, you will still profit in this situation.
@@connorlynch4695 So your broker “should” exercise the longer call, buy the stock at the price that is DITM and then sell those stocks at the assigned call?? And you profit the difference? The other way to make money would be to close the legs right?
Oh Thank Heavens I found someone who goes in details to explain cover call and poor man strategies. I have been watching few videos and I did not get it because they didn't go in details!! Thank you so easy to understand and showing the example helps!!!!!! BUT I do want to add that if you do a cover call and price goes up to 190 you wouldn't really make 1,450 because the call have to be executed meaning the stock would have to go to $200 since you did a cover call/ sell call for $200. Isn't it once at the expiration date the stock goes up above $200 the cover call will be executed therefore than you would make extra $20 per share x 100 = 2000 + 450 (premium)= Total gain is 2,450.
Great explanation. I actually started with buying regular calls and puts. I now discovered covered calls and will use them from now on. It seems safer than what I was doing before (buying calls and adding on the dips then selling them for profit).
Thank you so much! I truly appreciate your feedback. My goal has always been to simplify trading and make it accessible to everyone, no matter their experience level. It’s great to know that the way I explain things resonates with you. If there's ever anything you'd like more clarity on, don't hesitate to reach out. Happy trading!
Theta is small for long, deep ITM call. The farther out the expiration of the long call, the lower the theta value as well. If you're long term bullish on the underlying, it makes sense to pay a higher premium for a lower theta and more time for the underlying to rise (also, more time to sell short OTM calls). I would do 3 months at a minimum.
@@connorlynch4695 Yeah, video has the ITM call at slightly under 2 months, which is probably too short as theta is going to start ramping up at 45 days. Worth paying extra here to go a bit further out and not being hurt on the time decay as much. Worth mentioning, though, you need liquidity on the option and the further out you go, sometimes the wider the bid-ask spread.
Late to the party, but I'll still ask. What happens upon having the short leg assigned? Do you need to have the funds available to cover the transaction of the long call? Or does it all work out on the broker's end like without any further input from you as it does with a normal vertical spread?
yes i was wondering the same thing because you cannot sell a call of a 180 $ stock without putting up collateral in case your assigned ?? at 200 which would be 20,000!!!
Excellent video! While i do get the concept, i am getting a hard time navigating through tastyworks. I already own a leaps of Apple but i dont know how to sell a covered call against it making sure that my long position is actually held as the collateral. I have seen people doing it with long diagonal spread for the very first call they sell. but how do you keep selling more covered call after the first sold call expires and make sure that your long position is the collateral? Do you just sell naked call and the platform is smart enough to pick up that you have a leaps to cover for it? Thank you!
I came to this video looking for an answer to this specific question. I went through the video and the comments, but don't see an answer to this. With Interactive Broker, it won't allow me to place the covered call holding the LEAP as a collateral.
Nice video, thanks. One thing to point out: There is a big downside - if the stock drops the poor man's covered call will expire with a permanent loss, whereas with the stock or covered call you still have the original asset (which is a temporary loss that can of course rise later.)
One of the friendliest video about covered calls. All the other videos are a little harsh in explaining how ever your explaining goes above and beyond just explaining.
@@rockwelltradingservices Is there a wheel strategy explanation as well? I would link that in the description. "How to use PMCC as a long term investment strategy." or something.
Thank you for this thoughtful lesson. Respectfully, didnt you skip half the equation? isn't a pmcc a short call , shorter term than long call, out of the money, combined with the long call. The short call reduces your cost basis? The whole thing is a debit calendar spread. The trick to learn is how to manage the two calls to maximize profit under a variety of situations. thank you for your consideration to my question
Very good job. I just watched another guy explain this, and it took him 45 minutes. By the time he was done I fell asleep 3 times. You made this very simple to understand. You did a great job. I can't wait to try poor man's covered call. Thank You
Markus - I think you have a way of explaining Options Trading that demystifies it and is easily understood by a layman. Could you also touch on Iron Condors, Diagonals and Iron Butterflies?
Thanks, Hamsini. I appreciate the feedback. And YES, I will put it on the list and cover these strategies in one of the upcoming "Coffee with Markus" Shows. Make sure to subscribe to the channel so that you get a notification from TH-cam whenever I release a new video. This way you don't miss it. 😀👍
Thanks for the video but am I missing something here? The downside of the "poor man's covered call" isn't that you lose $650, but that you end up losing your $7100 (seems no different than buying a call without owning the shares...). You mentioned that they do not own the shares, and do not have the capital to buy it. At least with a covered call, if your original idea of the stock going up is incorrect at least you own the shares and they can recover over time as time goes on (and you're bullish which is why you're doing calls anyway). With non-covered calls you're ponying up $7100 with the risk of volatility dropping, or time decaying and no shares to pad the landing if the trade turns against you...
thats the exact question i have, if the stock price ends up with the same price or not move at all and time expires, your lost that $7100... if i understand this right, if u dont make $7100 which is the cost to buy the contract. u are losing money. however, i guess you can keep doing this every day or every week or month, until you recover that $7100 and some. but again it feels like alot of work to even earn that upfront investment cost back. and you are pressured by time and its expiration dates.
@@SuzetteSantori1 It was a major thing missing from this video and it lowers the credibility of the youtube for misleading the viewers, like a scammer. All the info in the video is correct which is good, but he needed to cover the devastating loss If the stock plummets like it has done with the current news about BA. It goes below your "bought call", you will still get the full premium from the "short call" (+$650) but you will lose all of the "bought call" value (-$7100) by expiration. As Xoxo put it, if you own the 100 shares to could hold on and hope BA recovers in a few years but with Poorman's CC, you will have to take the large loss. It's why he said its used for slightly bullish or bullish, not for a bearish scenario. If you do a covered call, you could do the "wheel strategy" cycling between covered calls till you assigned and then use the money for cash secured puts until you exercise it and then go back to covered calls. I should also note, if the stock does drop to zero, if you keep doing covered calls you could lessen the blow vs just owning the stock but in this scenario, in a bear market, you wouldn't do a Poorman's CC as its suicide. If you know there is no hope for the share price recovering above your "bought calls" by expiry, you can close the "bought and sold calls" ahead of time to reduce your loss before max loss.
One other scenario I wish you had shown - capped downside of the option vs the stock if we blew it and Boeing tanked below our deep in the money strike.
Pretty straightforward your out what you paid for your in the money call minus what you sold the covered call. Big win from a stock or an actual covered call. Both of those two your simply left bag holding
When you hold the stock you wouldn't need to realize the paper loss and just write more OTM CCs in perpetuity, until you hit you strike price one day. The poor man has to realize the loss due to expiry date. I learned the strategy is not for me.
Let me see if I got this straight: So you sell a call at an earlier day than the call you buy (which is really deep in the money). What happens if you get excercised on your sell option at a higher price is that you excercise your deep in the money call to cover, thus limiting your gains, but not by much. If you stay below the strike of your sell option but higher than the original prize, you're fine. If the underlying stock falls, but it's still higher than your option, your losses are limited. So basically it's the nearly the same risk as a Covered call, but the returns/losses graph is curved instead of straight lines due to the difference in IV between your short and your long positions?
Also I'm liking selling covered calls on stocks I either plan on holding or I planned on selling if the stock hit that strike price anyway. I think its win win to sell cover calls
This is a very interesting strategy. I didn't realize that you could own a covered call without actually buying the security. I've liked it so that it shows up on my "likes" list and I can review later, hitting like is also a good organizational tool to find videos later.
Usually that is correct. Any delta over 75 is good for this. Im happy with a .75/dollar move towards profit when I'm about 80-90% less cash outlay. (than if i bought the stock)
That has no bearing. If you have trouble closing the position, just exercise the option. I do this often to teach the MMs a lesson. A stock like RH is notorious for trying to overcharge you when you try to close out a leg.
@@JonathanScheele There have been many times where I don't have the capital to exercise. My broker allows me to exercise, then flatten. It all comes out in the wash.
I really appreciate you time spent on this video - I'm was originally a teacher and I can tell that you're very good at teaching this stuff without any "get rich quick" tone to it. Just the facts. Instant like and subscribe for me!
One thing, probably the most important thing I feel was missed (maybe I am wrong) is that in both 1 & 2, there is equity, an asset which we hold on to, which is 100 stocks of Boeing. In the third scenario, there is no such asset because we have to exercise our September option, in order to fulfil the July option. In August or September, if Boeing goes up to 200 or even 190, both 1 & 2 still have the stocks which can be sold, while 3 does not! This is an important difference.
One of the biggest downsides to buying a deep in the money call (.95 delta) are the spreads between the bid and the ask. They’re often extremely wide, and this is confusing to new traders. Because buying with a wide spread is literally throwing away money to the broker. You’d be much better off just buying 2 delta .50 options (at the money or first strike in the money), they’ll have the highest open interest and therefore the tightest bid/ask spreads, and they’ll function like that 100 shares you described
Hi Markus, Just wanted to say I love your videos! Your explanations are top-notch, and watching the trading screen in action is a game-changer. Keep up the great work, and thanks a bunch!
Not exaggerating, but I went thru about 15 videos to learn this concept and to see what happened when your covered call moves above the strike price...you are the only one who took the time to detail out the whole play with real life examples. Markus, you are the man! Thank you!!!
Very well explained. I pretty much understood the Covered calls and Cash secured puts but had a hard time wrapping my head around PMCC (poor Man's....). You Sir, Explained it beautifully. Thanks for your efforts and God bless you with success and happiness.
I don't know why I hadn't seen this video sooner but glad I came across it. What I don't understand is buying that deep in the money, there isn't much open interest to be able to buy the call. Am I missing something?
I've been trading for a While and I just learned something new. Great video sir. I never noticed that if I were assigned on the call option if the stock price went higher that I would still be profitable. It makes sense you bought at 180 and now you're being forced to sell at 200. Which is still a win. Awesome 👌
@@rockwelltradingservices You've got a few courses Markus. Which one do you recommend for "covered calls" or whatever the easiest strategy is to make monthly supplementary income? Is covered calls the best strategy? Thanks
This I a great video and channel, thanks for that, the only thing I don't understand is with the poor man's covered call, want you lose the initial investment of 7100 when the call runs over expiry? That means you won't make money unless you've sold enough calls to outweigh the initial investment?
Excellent video and explanation, Markus. One additional point, I may have missed it, is that when the sold option expires (assuming not exercised),you get to sell subsequent options that add to your returns. I love weekly options for this reason. You do make less on each sale, but more overall, with more management opportunities before the long call expires.
WOW! What an explanation. I've subbed as you have made this so easy to understand. I'm studying Options now and with a few books and some courses under my belt, I can't stress enough how you have simplified Poor Man's Cover Call. I've just opened an account so I can practice with 'pretend' money. I can't thank you enough for this. It really has given me a confidence boost because at times I was thinking it must be me not being able to grasp all the terms and strategies over the last few weeks. Thanks again and look forward to your content.
One thing. You have to be long term bullish, and you have to be right. If you are wrong and the underlying goes south and stays there till expiration, you can lose up to (your entire investment - the premiums you get from selling calls).
The advantage in that situation with owning the stocks is that at least they can recover if you hold them while an expired option cannot.
Also he doesn't mention with poor man's CC you pay way more commissions than trading stocks or conventional CC. It's because you can trade stocks on most US brokers commission free but not options.
Exactly
@@ivantsanov3650 wjohnson had no clue, when/why to set up a pmcc. You should prefer high risk/voltatile stocks (if that is in your strategy anyway, no recommendation). The option premiums are high, but it's in some cases possible, to catch the long running itm call with a relative low premium. Advantage: Lower risk. If the stock goes to zero...you only lose the itm call position.
Recover ? Is there a law, that you can't create the next pmcc ? No argument.
For example: Stock 50...you buy itm call strike 30 for 22...stock falls to 20. Pmcc lost 22. Stockholder lost 30....company goes bankrupt...pmcc lost 22...stockholder lost 50.
@@vogelv8267 Cost is 65 cents per contract, so it is not expensive.
You got yourself a new subscriber. Why? Clear explanation, zero fluff, no background biography - video not one second longer than it needed to be. Thank you. Now I'm gonna go binge your other videos.
Awesome! Thank you for watching! :)
OMG i watched one of those the other day where some guy continued to talk about background of himself and his whole family but also testimonials one after another. OMG we get it...
@@rockwelltradingserviceslol nice
@rockwell me too thanks for these easy to understand videos. I️ just hate long videos and it’s just a bunch of fluff. But one question, how would I️ get my premium that I️ paid for the longer call? Do I️ sell it after my option expires?
Agreed. Very clear and simple, showing every step. Thanks!
Finally a clear, concise explanation, and no irritating sound tracks. Thanks.
Awesome! Thank you for watching! :)
OMG thank goodness i found someone who can clearly explain things! About to watch your entire library😂
Glad it was helpful!
Seeing this video in dec 2023, and i got to admit this is one of the simplest, fuss free, straightforward, no nonsense explanation videos about covered calls and poor mans cc in youtube! You got urself a sub and lots of likes and viewtime sir!
Awesome! Thank you!
Nice video! Selling credit spreads is my favorite approach for consistent performance, but I like cash settled index options better as there is no assignment risk and offer more stability.
Awesome! Thank you for watching! :)
What’s delta do you used
The chart showing all three together is so helpful!!!
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As someone who already knows about covered calls, I still appreciated this video very much, fantastically explained!
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@@rockwelltradingservices you're awesome, thank you for the education and most importantly your time!
Thank you! :)
You're the best teacher of options I've seen. Great job.
I really appreciate that! I try to make my videos as clear and to the point as possible. Thank you and have a Happy New Year ✨
Excellent.Can you show this example on NVDA stock please.
This was an incredibly well done video. I did skip a few seconds. But loved everything, honestly.
Thank you! :)
Markus Heitkoetter has a very
It has been a blessing to have the videos with Spanish subtitles. Thanks to that, I have been able to study and earn in dollars, spending in pesos. Greetings from Colombia and thank you very much for the teachings
Awesome! Thank you! ;)
Good info. I also have to add that you sound like the villain from every 80's-90's action movie. You get a sub from me
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The South African guy from Die Hard, Hans Gruber..lol
@@justinorwen1141 LoL!
Best explanation of the PMCC I’ve seen!
Awesome! Thank you for watching! ;)
You explain things at the right speed and very simply. Thanks.
Thank you so much for the feedback! I try to make these videos as clear, and to the point as possible. I'm glad you're getting good information from them. 😀
Very helpful! Thanks.
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i understood every single thing. god why does other youtubers make it so hard to understand with their fancy languages
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Yup, I had to stop watching 5 other videos before I arrived at this one. Markus did a wonderful job of explaining this. THANK YOU!
because other TH-camrs don't understand the concepts behind these trading strategies as well as Markus does, great job!!!
Yes and his one of my favorite and actually believed in me and replied... his a good man
The jargon was invented by large institutions intentionally to deter retail investors like us from eating at their large pie of profit.
I came here after seeing the INthemoney channel try to explain this concept. He has no idea how to explain things to people who are trying to actually learn. THIS explanation in your video is a clear as can be. I really appreciate your hard work and your use of the charts and graphs and plugging in real examples. You earned a sub and a like, my friend - thanks so much, you are dynamite!
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A good explanation but I would like to have known what happens if your PMCC gets called away at expiration
Yeah what happens!?
That is actually a good scenario. All you have to do is exercise your long option into shares, and then they will be called at a higher price than you exercised them for. PLUS, you kept the premium for the short call. The only downside to this scenario is that your profit is capped.
@@johncalvo1743 Well you do have to be careful that your profit isn't less than your premium paid. Say you paid $7 per share for a 3 month call at 150 and sold a 1 week call at 152.50 for .80. If you get assigned you'd make a total of 3.30 on the premium+share profits but lose $7 on the premium you paid. In that case you'd be better off buying the 152.50 call back before it gets exercised and then you could sell your 150 call that should have increased in value for a profit.
Don't you need extra money to exercise the ITM option? I thought you are poor and almost all the money is in ITM calls. Or so you need margin, or does the broker step on? They also allow you in a Level 1 account to sell a call without owning the stock?
If your PMCC gets called, most of he brokers automatically resolve it. You don't need to put more money because the profit you made with the BUY CALL is enough to compensate the SELL PUT, and 6 receive cash.
Easier to understand than the others. They talk so fast and don't diagram it as nicely. Thanks!!!
You are welcome! I am glad that this helps! :)
Best presentation on PMCC I have seen. Would be great if you can do a follow up on PMCCs addressing managing your positions such as when to sell your long call and when to buy to close your short call and then when to “roll it”. Also would be helpful if you can address other PMCC strategies regarding using LEAPS for the long call buy position and also pros/cons of using Delta as low as .70
I need to learn the following any recommendations for other channels?
Very helpful! I also appreciate you waiting until we've had a chance to watch for a few minutes before asking for likes/comments. Too many TH-camrs ask for likes/subscribes before I've even had a chance to decide whether I actually like the video. It's incredibly annoying.
Awesome! Thank you for watching! :)
This was fantastic, you are the first person to get me to understand covered calls fully, and I like the poor man's CC idea! I love that you have the three different outcomes laid out visually, and you take your time explaining what happens in each scenario. Thank you for this valuable video, I will definitely be dropping a like now.
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Very helpful. I’m just learning and this was very well done and easy to follow
I am glad that this helps. Please feel free to watch our livestream www.youtube.com/@rockwelltradingservices/streams
Excellent breakdown. Very easy to follow. One thing to note: Rolling your covered calls at expiration unlocks a number of options. Either roll them down to a higher strike price or roll for additional premium. With PMCC, it's way easier to just completely eliminate the basis before exiting the trade.
Also, I think settling for a lower delta on the long call is worth the trade-off of a lower opening basis. But this is a personal preference, I guess. I tend to calculate max profit as the difference in the strikes, without really regarding delta.
Very clear and easy to understand. Soon I'll be brave enough to try my first options trade, lol!
That’s awesome! I’m glad it’s all clicking for you. And hey, no need to rush-options will be there when you’re ready to jump in! When you do place that first trade, we’ll be cheering you on. 😊 Just remember, bravery in trading comes from having a solid strategy... and a little bit of courage, of course! 😉
Great video, however what happens to your deep in the money option that you paid $7100? it loses value over time. You either have to either roll it continuously which will cost money or sell it at a lower price?? Don't you have to account for this expense in your calcs? Also is it possible to get assigned before the expiration date if the stock price goes way up? How would you handle that. thanks
Good questions, maybe he'll see it and answer or do another vid.
I thought this exact same thing and I feel that without answering this, the video seems ingenuine.
This has me rethinking my entire investment approach. This seems like a good strategy to compliment the traditional buy-n-hold strategy.
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what happens when the pmcc gets assigned?
If the short call gets assigned at expiration, your broker should automatically exercise the long call. Because of the higher delta of your long call, you will still profit in this situation.
@@connorlynch4695 So your broker “should” exercise the longer call, buy the stock at the price that is DITM and then sell those stocks at the assigned call?? And you profit the difference? The other way to make money would be to close the legs right?
An important point is ROI. Another issue probably not to discuss is the tolerance for risk of the investor. Good video!
Awesome! Thank you for watching! :)
Amazing technique! Thank you Markus for sharing your knowledge in such an easy to understand way. Your channel is fantastic!
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Very well explained
Do you have any video about Calendar spread
Buying deep in money longer month call & selling short month call regarding same stock
Oh Thank Heavens I found someone who goes in details to explain cover call and poor man strategies. I have been watching few videos and I did not get it because they didn't go in details!! Thank you so easy to understand and showing the example helps!!!!!! BUT I do want to add that if you do a cover call and price goes up to 190 you wouldn't really make 1,450 because the call have to be executed meaning the stock would have to go to $200 since you did a cover call/ sell call for $200. Isn't it once at the expiration date the stock goes up above $200 the cover call will be executed therefore than you would make extra $20 per share x 100 = 2000 + 450 (premium)= Total gain is 2,450.
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Wow, this doesn't have enough views. Super clear explanations and easy to follow along. easy sub, thanks for the video!
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So clear. Thanks for this. The more I watch, the better I’m starting to understand.
😊 You are welcome! I am glad that this helps!
Great explanation. I actually started with buying regular calls and puts. I now discovered covered calls and will use them from now on. It seems safer than what I was doing before (buying calls and adding on the dips then selling them for profit).
Very clear, plus you talk in terms that the novice trader can relate to. Bravo sir.
Thank you so much! I truly appreciate your feedback. My goal has always been to simplify trading and make it accessible to everyone, no matter their experience level. It’s great to know that the way I explain things resonates with you. If there's ever anything you'd like more clarity on, don't hesitate to reach out. Happy trading!
Excellent video! I watched it a second time today because it was so well done!
Thank you! :)
super nice and easy, I am a big fan now. Where can I get help? I would like to start trading covered calls.
Hi! You should check my audiobook here loom.ly/5CLflsc
Great video, what is the management on the long side?
Excellent presentation. Thank you for explaining so clearly.
What about Theta/Time Decay?
How does that impact your long ITM Call?
Yep thats another devil variable
Theta is small for long, deep ITM call. The farther out the expiration of the long call, the lower the theta value as well. If you're long term bullish on the underlying, it makes sense to pay a higher premium for a lower theta and more time for the underlying to rise (also, more time to sell short OTM calls). I would do 3 months at a minimum.
@@connorlynch4695 Yeah, video has the ITM call at slightly under 2 months, which is probably too short as theta is going to start ramping up at 45 days. Worth paying extra here to go a bit further out and not being hurt on the time decay as much. Worth mentioning, though, you need liquidity on the option and the further out you go, sometimes the wider the bid-ask spread.
Theta has a very little impact because most of the value of a DITM call is intrinsic.
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Late to the party, but I'll still ask. What happens upon having the short leg assigned? Do you need to have the funds available to cover the transaction of the long call? Or does it all work out on the broker's end like without any further input from you as it does with a normal vertical spread?
yes i was wondering the same thing because you cannot sell a call of a 180 $ stock without putting up collateral in case your assigned ?? at 200 which would be 20,000!!!
Demonstration was really helpful as you lecture at the same time !!!
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Excellent video! While i do get the concept, i am getting a hard time navigating through tastyworks. I already own a leaps of Apple but i dont know how to sell a covered call against it making sure that my long position is actually held as the collateral. I have seen people doing it with long diagonal spread for the very first call they sell. but how do you keep selling more covered call after the first sold call expires and make sure that your long position is the collateral? Do you just sell naked call and the platform is smart enough to pick up that you have a leaps to cover for it? Thank you!
I came to this video looking for an answer to this specific question. I went through the video and the comments, but don't see an answer to this. With Interactive Broker, it won't allow me to place the covered call holding the LEAP as a collateral.
Nice video, thanks.
One thing to point out: There is a big downside - if the stock drops the poor man's covered call will expire with a permanent loss, whereas with the stock or covered call you still have the original asset (which is a temporary loss that can of course rise later.)
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Understood selling the covered call and owning the stocks.. learned to buy in the money calls instead. Thank you for the tutorial
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Should have covered with happens with the deep ITM call you purchased.
Yeah, what happens to the $7100 itm call???
One of the friendliest video about covered calls. All the other videos are a little harsh in explaining how ever your explaining goes above and beyond just explaining.
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@@rockwelltradingservices Is there a wheel strategy explanation as well? I would link that in the description. "How to use PMCC as a long term investment strategy." or something.
Thank you for this thoughtful lesson. Respectfully, didnt you skip half the equation? isn't a pmcc a short call , shorter term than long call, out of the money, combined with the long call. The short call reduces your cost basis? The whole thing is a debit calendar spread. The trick to learn is how to manage the two calls to maximize profit under a variety of situations. thank you for your consideration to my question
Very good job. I just watched another guy explain this, and it took him 45 minutes. By the time he was done I fell asleep 3 times. You made this very simple to understand. You did a great job. I can't wait to try poor man's covered call. Thank You
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Markus - I think you have a way of explaining Options Trading that demystifies it and is easily understood by a layman. Could you also touch on Iron Condors, Diagonals and Iron Butterflies?
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I have never done this. Will try this! Super thanks.
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Thanks for the video but am I missing something here?
The downside of the "poor man's covered call" isn't that you lose $650, but that you end up losing your $7100 (seems no different than buying a call without owning the shares...). You mentioned that they do not own the shares, and do not have the capital to buy it. At least with a covered call, if your original idea of the stock going up is incorrect at least you own the shares and they can recover over time as time goes on (and you're bullish which is why you're doing calls anyway). With non-covered calls you're ponying up $7100 with the risk of volatility dropping, or time decaying and no shares to pad the landing if the trade turns against you...
thats the exact question i have, if the stock price ends up with the same price or not move at all and time expires, your lost that $7100... if i understand this right, if u dont make $7100 which is the cost to buy the contract. u are losing money. however, i guess you can keep doing this every day or every week or month, until you recover that $7100 and some. but again it feels like alot of work to even earn that upfront investment cost back. and you are pressured by time and its expiration dates.
@@SuzetteSantori1 It was a major thing missing from this video and it lowers the credibility of the youtube for misleading the viewers, like a scammer. All the info in the video is correct which is good, but he needed to cover the devastating loss If the stock plummets like it has done with the current news about BA. It goes below your "bought call", you will still get the full premium from the "short call" (+$650) but you will lose all of the "bought call" value (-$7100) by expiration. As Xoxo put it, if you own the 100 shares to could hold on and hope BA recovers in a few years but with Poorman's CC, you will have to take the large loss. It's why he said its used for slightly bullish or bullish, not for a bearish scenario. If you do a covered call, you could do the "wheel strategy" cycling between covered calls till you assigned and then use the money for cash secured puts until you exercise it and then go back to covered calls. I should also note, if the stock does drop to zero, if you keep doing covered calls you could lessen the blow vs just owning the stock but in this scenario, in a bear market, you wouldn't do a Poorman's CC as its suicide. If you know there is no hope for the share price recovering above your "bought calls" by expiry, you can close the "bought and sold calls" ahead of time to reduce your loss before max loss.
What program are you using for your risk graph?
One other scenario I wish you had shown - capped downside of the option vs the stock if we blew it and Boeing tanked below our deep in the money strike.
Yes same
Pretty straightforward your out what you paid for your in the money call minus what you sold the covered call. Big win from a stock or an actual covered call. Both of those two your simply left bag holding
When you hold the stock you wouldn't need to realize the paper loss and just write more OTM CCs in perpetuity, until you hit you strike price one day. The poor man has to realize the loss due to expiry date. I learned the strategy is not for me.
Great explanation! I'm complete newbie and I understand what you're saying!
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Let me see if I got this straight: So you sell a call at an earlier day than the call you buy (which is really deep in the money). What happens if you get excercised on your sell option at a higher price is that you excercise your deep in the money call to cover, thus limiting your gains, but not by much. If you stay below the strike of your sell option but higher than the original prize, you're fine. If the underlying stock falls, but it's still higher than your option, your losses are limited.
So basically it's the nearly the same risk as a Covered call, but the returns/losses graph is curved instead of straight lines due to the difference in IV between your short and your long positions?
Also I'm liking selling covered calls on stocks I either plan on holding or I planned on selling if the stock hit that strike price anyway. I think its win win to sell cover calls
This is a very interesting strategy. I didn't realize that you could own a covered call without actually buying the security. I've liked it so that it shows up on my "likes" list and I can review later, hitting like is also a good organizational tool to find videos later.
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Everything is good and dandy in THEORY except there's gonna be ZERO Volume or Open interest at the $110 strike price (.94 delta).
Usually that is correct. Any delta over 75 is good for this. Im happy with a .75/dollar move towards profit when I'm about 80-90% less cash outlay. (than if i bought the stock)
That has no bearing. If you have trouble closing the position, just exercise the option. I do this often to teach the MMs a lesson. A stock like RH is notorious for trying to overcharge you when you try to close out a leg.
@@johncalvo1743 It has bearing if you don't have the capital to exercise the option, which is a reason why many people do the PMCC in the first place.
@@JonathanScheele There have been many times where I don't have the capital to exercise. My broker allows me to exercise, then flatten. It all comes out in the wash.
Good simple explanation that everyone can understand!!
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Excellently explained. Many thanks.
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You are wonderful to explaining ! So easy to understand
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Really helpful to someone knew to covered calls and poor's man cover call.
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@@rockwelltradingservices no prob 💪👍
I really appreciate you time spent on this video - I'm was originally a teacher and I can tell that you're very good at teaching this stuff without any "get rich quick" tone to it. Just the facts. Instant like and subscribe for me!
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this has to be the most thorough explanation on youtube it was excellent thanks
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Clearly explained 👍. I am Italian and i understood everything perfectly.
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I am right now in covered call phase and did it twice ...came here to learn poor mans covered calls 😁
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Thank you so much. Explained simply. Very clear to understand what you are saying and makes so much sense.
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One thing, probably the most important thing I feel was missed (maybe I am wrong) is that in both 1 & 2, there is equity, an asset which we hold on to, which is 100 stocks of Boeing.
In the third scenario, there is no such asset because we have to exercise our September option, in order to fulfil the July option.
In August or September, if Boeing goes up to 200 or even 190, both 1 & 2 still have the stocks which can be sold, while 3 does not! This is an important difference.
Good pace. Helpful side by side comparison. Thank you.
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Best and simple explanation, thank you 🙏
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One of the biggest downsides to buying a deep in the money call (.95 delta) are the spreads between the bid and the ask. They’re often extremely wide, and this is confusing to new traders. Because buying with a wide spread is literally throwing away money to the broker.
You’d be much better off just buying 2 delta .50 options (at the money or first strike in the money), they’ll have the highest open interest and therefore the tightest bid/ask spreads, and they’ll function like that 100 shares you described
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Hi Markus,
Just wanted to say I love your videos! Your explanations are top-notch, and watching the trading screen in action is a game-changer. Keep up the great work, and thanks a bunch!
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This is a brilliant video for understanding! Thank you!
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Not exaggerating, but I went thru about 15 videos to learn this concept and to see what happened when your covered call moves above the strike price...you are the only one who took the time to detail out the whole play with real life examples. Markus, you are the man! Thank you!!!
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Very well explained. I pretty much understood the Covered calls and Cash secured puts but had a hard time wrapping my head around PMCC (poor Man's....). You Sir, Explained it beautifully. Thanks for your efforts and God bless you with success and happiness.
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You can tell your experience thru how easily you teach this. 10/10. Liked and sub'd. 3rd video of yours I've watched. Great stuff, Markus.
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Yes! First time I actually understood it fully.
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Finally a video I can understand Thankyou!!!
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thank you that was so helpful and easy to understand thank you
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I don't know why I hadn't seen this video sooner but glad I came across it. What I don't understand is buying that deep in the money, there isn't much open interest to be able to buy the call. Am I missing something?
I've been trading for a While and I just learned something new. Great video sir. I never noticed that if I were assigned on the call option if the stock price went higher that I would still be profitable. It makes sense you bought at 180 and now you're being forced to sell at 200. Which is still a win. Awesome 👌
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Thanks Markus this is very good video with clear explanation about cc, very helpful!
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Very clear and concise!
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this guy seems like he knows it all. can i see a P&L from 2021 and all of 2020. thanks!
100% understood. Definitely made it easier than other people on youtube
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@@rockwelltradingservices You've got a few courses Markus. Which one do you recommend for "covered calls" or whatever the easiest strategy is to make monthly supplementary income?
Is covered calls the best strategy? Thanks
This I a great video and channel, thanks for that, the only thing I don't understand is with the poor man's covered call, want you lose the initial investment of 7100 when the call runs over expiry? That means you won't make money unless you've sold enough calls to outweigh the initial investment?
Thanks, this was really informative, no fluff or shilling, very nice!
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Excellent video and explanation, Markus. One additional point, I may have missed it, is that when the sold option expires (assuming not exercised),you get to sell subsequent options that add to your returns. I love weekly options for this reason. You do make less on each sale, but more overall, with more management opportunities before the long call expires.
Great explanation. Sometimes its good to hear a few times for memory sake. 😆
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Nice, simple explanation. Been doing Puts, have been curious about Call- now I will try it on something. Thank you for doing this video.
WOW! What an explanation.
I've subbed as you have made this so easy to understand.
I'm studying Options now and with a few books and some courses under my belt, I can't stress enough how you have simplified Poor Man's Cover Call.
I've just opened an account so I can practice with 'pretend' money.
I can't thank you enough for this. It really has given me a confidence boost because at times I was thinking it must be me not being able to grasp all the terms and strategies over the last few weeks.
Thanks again and look forward to your content.
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Very interesting. Explained in layman's terms. Subscribed.
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Verry easy to follow along with
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Great to see an old IBMer trading! ( I wrote code on the IBM/360 System/3 System/34 System/36 System/30 AS400).
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