For everyone like me, who can't stand the head movement especially in pitch in this sim: I got everything off and head movement at 15-20%. That gives me the closest to iracing I can get. Not static but also not too much movement
Yah ultimate solution is what iracing does and then allowing people some leeway in tweeking things a bit , Using full lock to horizon just ends up being a bit of a hacky way to make things comfortable. I think its basically "lock to track" with smoothing for small bumps so its easy to track road / you are not having to keep moving eyes around to track and object on the screen.
@@GamerMuscleVideos but that’s how it is in real life , you move your eyes to track the road ahead. The monitor is just a virtual windscreen. Everything else is static, the windscreen, the dashboard and the seat you are in . Nothing in the foreground moves.
Very exciting video I know 👍. This still doesn't fix the cam issues in AMS2 but it's best I could get after messing around more. Hopefully it's helpful to Somone ☕ - Some commenters are getting confused over "what looks good" VS what is borderline comfortable for people that get motion sick / eye fatigue easy.
A better alternative is use legacy mode ON with head movement between 0-30. The horizon's a bit shaky at first but once you get used to it it looks a lot less silly than GM's bouncy dash cam.
Its not about what "looks silly" the "horizon a bit shaky" will literally make a huge number of people have a ton of eye fatigue and a large number of people feel motion sick. For people that get motion sick they will happily take look silly over feeling sick.
@@GamerMuscleVideos VR also makes a lot of people motion sick, doesn't mean no one should use VR. With time you can used to it and overcome the motion sickness.
All we really need now are settings to fix the horrific shadows. They're a shimmery/jagged mess in VR, and multiple sources have said this is just a limitation of the madness engine. I tend to run with shadows off entirely more than on, and that's not a good experience either. This is the only thing that stops this being my go to sim.
What we see is about far more than the input to our eyes. When your visual system becomes confused by contradictory inputs some people will experience motion sickness. What works for some might induce it in others. It is important to take a break for a short time if you do feel sick, go outside and look into the far distance should help to stop the symptoms quickly. The visual system is adaptive and learns from experience which is a double edge sword, on one side it can learn to compensate and understand the inputs, on the other side it can make a long term association between these input conditions that are difficult to break so please don’t try to force your way through the feeling of motion sickness.
I prefer legacy head movement YES and everything else OFF or 0. That locks the camera 100% to the car which is the most realistic. In real life the car doesn't move and bounce separately from your own body/head/eyes. You and the car move and bounce as one. And it should be the same thing with the on screen car and the steering wheel on your sim rig. The on screen car should never move independently of the steering wheel in your hands. This does mean that the track shakes slightly, but if you're looking far enough ahead, as you should be, then your brain and eyes filter it out just like they do in real life.
Spot on. Need to try your settings later. Something tells me I am going to like it. BTW, the so called 'drivers eye camera' in F1 ( a lot of people hype about it) is the greatest BS on this side of the Galaxy. The human body, eyes and the incredible brain -- that is the best image stabilization system ever. Period. You don't believe it? Drive your family car a bit too fast over a railroad crossing. Your visual will still be rock solid. This idiotic shaking only exists if the drivers eye camera is fixed mounted and has no IS whatsoever. Cheers.
Exactly. I've been saying this for years. Even the commentators are like "this is the most accurate view of what the drivers see." Tf? How can you say this? You've driven an f1 car before!
Also a good comparison is the difference between playing in VR and watching a video of VR footage.. VR recording will look crazy all over the place , yet VR will be super tame when using it. So sure the pov is close but the experience is totally different due to FOV , eyes , brain filtering motion and ton of other things 😆
That was a very helpful video (as usual ; ), GM. The only one thing I disagree with - given not everyone can afford the high-end gear you are currently using. But it is my understanding the the SHOW HELMET OPTION can help people with lower-end PC's get better frame-rates, due to simply not having to draw as much moving track detail on the screen. But of course you do always make it very clear & point out that it's up to the person to choose what is both best for them AND their PC System. [:]-)
Thanx for the video, just one question…In VR, when I move my head from side to side, how do I keep the car from moving with me? Reverb g2 Windows mixed reality Steam
I am sorry, but I can't get this game to work with my brain. I played many hours in PC2 but when I play AMS2, it is like I am a drunken sailor. The feeling of being on a trampoline, cars not handling/steering as expected (after calibration using my fanatec 2.5), the camera system making me feel sick, the list goes on and on. I simply do not have any of these issues with any of the other sims. I also play Iracing, AC, ACC, RF2, PC2 ect ect ect. Seriously about to set fire to AMS2
Did you try setting all movement to zero and legacy head movement to “on”? I believe legacy head movement “on” is PC2 mode. Someone will correct me if wrong. Sorry you’ve had a rough go 😢
Fantastic video as always, thanks James. I found your videos on AMS2 most useful as I really like the game. Do you have something similar for AC? I have never been able to get FFB and camera settings quite right in AC. I have a Fanatec CSL DD 8Nm.
Why is it so hard for sims other than iracing to get it right. Just keep the horizon stable and have the car bounce around. That's the most accurate representation of the human eye's internal gyro anyway.
I think its a hard balance to get right in-terms of what frequency of bumps you filter out iracing still has the cam/car move from larger bumps and still has some cockpit movement relative to the camera its just toned down quite a bit.
Sucks that you get motion sickness because the solution of the dashboard/car bouncing around like a weightless bit of cardboard is extremely 'immersion' killing.
For everyone like me, who can't stand the head movement especially in pitch in this sim: I got everything off and head movement at 15-20%. That gives me the closest to iracing I can get. Not static but also not too much movement
agreed , works perfectly fine like this . i just let my eyes track the road ahead naturally.
Yah ultimate solution is what iracing does and then allowing people some leeway in tweeking things a bit , Using full lock to horizon just ends up being a bit of a hacky way to make things comfortable. I think its basically "lock to track" with smoothing for small bumps so its easy to track road / you are not having to keep moving eyes around to track and object on the screen.
Same 20% but with legacy head movement
@@GamerMuscleVideos but that’s how it is in real life , you move your eyes to track the road ahead. The monitor is just a virtual windscreen. Everything else is static, the windscreen, the dashboard and the seat you are in . Nothing in the foreground moves.
Thanks for this! Now I can play without bouncing everywhere👍
Very exciting video I know 👍. This still doesn't fix the cam issues in AMS2 but it's best I could get after messing around more. Hopefully it's helpful to Somone ☕
- Some commenters are getting confused over "what looks good" VS what is borderline comfortable for people that get motion sick / eye fatigue easy.
This helped out in older games like project cars 2 playing VR
A better alternative is use legacy mode ON with head movement between 0-30. The horizon's a bit shaky at first but once you get used to it it looks a lot less silly than GM's bouncy dash cam.
Its not about what "looks silly" the "horizon a bit shaky" will literally make a huge number of people have a ton of eye fatigue and a large number of people feel motion sick.
For people that get motion sick they will happily take look silly over feeling sick.
@@GamerMuscleVideos VR also makes a lot of people motion sick, doesn't mean no one should use VR. With time you can used to it and overcome the motion sickness.
@@azarisLP The question is....why would you use that? Is not realistic at all !
All we really need now are settings to fix the horrific shadows. They're a shimmery/jagged mess in VR, and multiple sources have said this is just a limitation of the madness engine. I tend to run with shadows off entirely more than on, and that's not a good experience either. This is the only thing that stops this being my go to sim.
What we see is about far more than the input to our eyes. When your visual system becomes confused by contradictory inputs some people will experience motion sickness. What works for some might induce it in others. It is important to take a break for a short time if you do feel sick, go outside and look into the far distance should help to stop the symptoms quickly. The visual system is adaptive and learns from experience which is a double edge sword, on one side it can learn to compensate and understand the inputs, on the other side it can make a long term association between these input conditions that are difficult to break so please don’t try to force your way through the feeling of motion sickness.
Never experienced this in vr. Interesting, didn't know this affected prople
I prefer legacy head movement YES and everything else OFF or 0. That locks the camera 100% to the car which is the most realistic. In real life the car doesn't move and bounce separately from your own body/head/eyes. You and the car move and bounce as one. And it should be the same thing with the on screen car and the steering wheel on your sim rig. The on screen car should never move independently of the steering wheel in your hands. This does mean that the track shakes slightly, but if you're looking far enough ahead, as you should be, then your brain and eyes filter it out just like they do in real life.
This is how I prefer it too. I don’t know if it’s “correct”, but it works for me. Proponent of “use what works best for you” to not lose your lunch. 😊
Spot on. Need to try your settings later. Something tells me I am going to like it. BTW, the so called 'drivers eye camera' in F1 ( a lot of people hype about it) is the greatest BS on this side of the Galaxy. The human body, eyes and the incredible brain -- that is the best image stabilization system ever. Period. You don't believe it? Drive your family car a bit too fast over a railroad crossing. Your visual will still be rock solid. This idiotic shaking only exists if the drivers eye camera is fixed mounted and has no IS whatsoever. Cheers.
Exactly. I've been saying this for years. Even the commentators are like "this is the most accurate view of what the drivers see." Tf? How can you say this? You've driven an f1 car before!
Also a good comparison is the difference between playing in VR and watching a video of VR footage..
VR recording will look crazy all over the place , yet VR will be super tame when using it.
So sure the pov is close but the experience is totally different due to FOV , eyes , brain filtering motion and ton of other things 😆
Finally, no more throwing up between races! Great!
Have to find a new way to stop yourself dying from eating poisonous mushrooms now.
Lock to horizon is a must in VR for me. 😎
Thanks, makes life easier
Nice! Just what I was looking for, thank you.
That was a very helpful video (as usual ; ), GM. The only one thing I disagree with - given not everyone can afford the high-end gear you are currently using.
But it is my understanding the the SHOW HELMET OPTION can help people with lower-end PC's get better frame-rates, due to simply not having to draw as much moving track detail on the screen. But of course you do always make it very clear & point out that it's up to the person to choose what is both best for them AND their PC System. [:]-)
When I first got a VR headset I was getting motion sickness. I found out disabling asynchronous spacewarp solved the issue. For myself at least.
Thanks for vid
I hope the devs improve thos for VR ( & I hope replay in VR that is semi broken from track to track )
Thanx for the video, just one question…In VR, when I move my head from side to side, how do I keep the car from moving with me?
Reverb g2
Windows mixed reality
Steam
I am sorry, but I can't get this game to work with my brain. I played many hours in PC2 but when I play AMS2, it is like I am a drunken sailor. The feeling of being on a trampoline, cars not handling/steering as expected (after calibration using my fanatec 2.5), the camera system making me feel sick, the list goes on and on.
I simply do not have any of these issues with any of the other sims. I also play Iracing, AC, ACC, RF2, PC2 ect ect ect. Seriously about to set fire to AMS2
Did you try setting all movement to zero and legacy head movement to “on”? I believe legacy head movement “on” is PC2 mode. Someone will correct me if wrong. Sorry you’ve had a rough go 😢
Fantastic video as always, thanks James. I found your videos on AMS2 most useful as I really like the game. Do you have something similar for AC? I have never been able to get FFB and camera settings quite right in AC. I have a Fanatec CSL DD 8Nm.
usefull guide, thx
Why is it so hard for sims other than iracing to get it right. Just keep the horizon stable and have the car bounce around. That's the most accurate representation of the human eye's internal gyro anyway.
I think its a hard balance to get right in-terms of what frequency of bumps you filter out iracing still has the cam/car move from larger bumps and still has some cockpit movement relative to the camera its just toned down quite a bit.
15 minutes for a screenshot video. I'm gonna watch twice just in case I missed anything.
Oh and this for the great vids
GamerMuscle, I am such an attractive man... With that out of the way, thank you so much for your knowledge. Much appreciated
Gamermuscle you're such an attractive man
Thanks Its amazing how many people say that without being prompted to !
Yes, apparently exactly ONE☺️
i just need my ffb back :(
Just put the driver view and set everything to the max. You'll puke later.
Hi I’m 1st
Sucks that you get motion sickness because the solution of the dashboard/car bouncing around like a weightless bit of cardboard is extremely 'immersion' killing.