Huge respect for setting yourself up for the obvious "Press F to pay respects" joke and then throwing something 10x more insane at us with the "mass grave" prompt.
I will never get over how NieR: Automata took diegetic UI to the next level by having them be chips you put into your robot character. Want more space for more useful chips? Sacrifice some UI! Wonder why that chip says never remove? Go ahead, you'll get a little funny scene!
Not to mention (spoiler)... ... One of the boss fights has you fighting in another android's UI until they stop functioning. It's literally a copy of your menu screen when you zoom out on it.
I really like the way Celeste tells you when your boost is available by changing Madeline's hair color. Also, Madeline getting visibly tired and flashing when her wall cling is close to running out. Other HUD elements like Strawberry count are hidden until they change.
Also wanted to mention celeste. Hollow doesnt show if the dash or double jump is available, but its not really a platforming focused game. How crucially it indicates when the shadowdash has recharged.
One of many reasons I appreciate GMTK: When there's a screen full of code, it's actually game code, not a screenshot from a web dev tutorial (as if the audience won't notice).
Well, Mark could show "relevant" code. Not the exact source code, but if he was talking about a health system, he could show code that functions as a health system.
I think the best part of it is that so much of the UI is integrated into the sound and visuals of the game (rather than bars or menus). Your ship health is roughly represented by how full of water it is. The wind direction is always visible, and you can tell when your ship is at max speed when you see the sails catch (accompanied by a satisfying whoosh sound effect). If you want to know what direction you're headed you need to pull out a physical compass. It's a diagetic UI done really really right, and shows that a lot of cool stuff can be done without a conventional HUD.
I think the one thing they could have done better is controls for fishing. Right now all you get is some pop-ups the first couple times you fish, based on the stage of catching you're in. Personally I found them really confusing (and pretty sure one was wrong, telling me to use the mouse to pull against the fish, when I was supposed to use WASD) - I think a one-time hand-holding tutorial, or better on-screen UI while fishing could have helped. It just struck me as an area it felt like they went overboard in hiding information, especially after watching the video where the devs talk how they wanted no UI when fishing (a fine goal for immersion, *if* you're able to get the player there without a lot of frustration and lost fish).
It's wild to me that people were cosplaying as the UI from Persona 5. I'm glad you brought that game up as an example because slick, stylish UI can definitely add a lot to a game.
@@iaxacs3801 yeah, i was never much into turn-based rpgs because of how boring and underwhelming the battles usually are, just simple and small text with some really small animations. But Persona 5 managed to make stuff like selecting the right persona and attack actually interesting and fun
Halo: Reach has a pretty standard diegetic HUD for the most part, but the way it's used in the last level is amazing. The last level is a hold-out-as-long-as-you-can one that ends with your death, both gameplay-wise and story-wise. As you take more and more damage throughout the level, cracks begin forming on your in-game helmet, obscuring your vision and shorting out elements like the ammo counter. These cracks stay even if you go back to full health. It really creates a sense of dread and desperation and it's one of the only times I've seen the HUD itself tell a story.
An interesting case is Nier Automata where HUD elements can be equipped, but that is using up slots that can be used for buff items. You could remove all HUD elements and have all your stats improved but the game is much harder this way, so you need to decide which UI elements are really useful to you.
Was gonna mention this too, as something I loved about the game when I finally started playing it not too long ago. Making the UI feel like it actually exists in the world, as opposed to something just slapped on top for the player. Not that the latter is bad, but I do like the immersion of the former.
Similar thing happens in Hollow Knight with the compass charm, which makes you decide whether the "you are here" icon on the map is important enough to take a slot that could be used to provide other utilities.
I will always love how Sparks is your health bar in Spyro and, if you take too much damage, you will no longer pick up gems as easily since your health bar was grabbing them for you when you got close enough. I especially like that in the remaster he will point you in the direction of any remaining gems.
In the original year of the dragon (Spyro 3) sparx got upgrades when you played the minigames as Sparx, including the ability to point you towards the remaining gems if you pressed all of the shoulder buttons..
Republic Commando was always my favorite diagetic UI, with ammo counts on weapons, in-helmet holoimages for squad commands, and a BUG SPLATTER VISOR WIPER
Something I really enjoy about the enemies that use whistles in the Last Of Us Part II, is how when you're playing as Ellie, the subtitles just say ***WHISTLE*** because Ellie has no idea what they mean. While you are playing as Abby though, it shows in the subtitles as *Warning Whistle* or *Flanking Whistle* because Abby has been fighting these people for years and knows their calls.
That's a cool detail. I didn't know that because I haven't played with subtitles on. If the information is intended to give Abby a slight gameplay advantage over Ellie, because she has been fighting the Scars her whole life, it would have been even better to have a way of notifying the player without the need for subtitles to be on.
@@JeremyComans this isn't exactly what you mean, but its worth mentioning that you can actually tell these whistles apart if you listen closely enough! They're consistent enough to be deciphered, which I think is great sound design. That being said, I suppose the most obvious way to make Abby's experience more evident would be to have her make contextual comments depending on the whistles the player hears. Its hamfisted, but it would make it more obvious what's going on.
I'd like to note how much Persona 5 was praised for how well it intgrated it's UI elements into the style and feel of the game, and how it became one of it's most praised and memorable feautures. It's one of those things so rarely paid much attention that when Persona 5 did it so well, it became instantly iconic.
Exactly. Lots of thing are good in the Persona series but there's no wonder why it's this one that broke into popularity. Writing, characters, core gameplay are pretty much as good as they've always been but this UI system kept people interested in an already pretty niche genre. I just left a big ass comment about the less obvious but incredibly clever ways the UI works, won't paste it but it's nice to see the public acknowledging the value of UI design, as a UI designer myself haha
@@ToriKo_ I do prefer a lot Persona 5 from its predecessors but it's out of personal stuff like me loving picaresque stories. The presentation is superior but a good amount of fans tend to prefer P4, probably out of nostalgia to be fair. Anyway, the comment in question : "I'm seeing a few Persona Ui comments so I'd like to point out something : We all know how stylish and juicy is the UI, but it's actually much more intelligent than one might think at first. The game released a whole console generation late and the animation and modeling shows it. The emphasis on the UI was a smart move to catch our eyes with the shiny portraits and splash arts, effectively hiding in plain sight the more rough aspects of their visuals. But what's really a tour de force from Atlus is how the UI almost solely establishes art direction and expresses themes. Every Persona game has a color, and the game has to respect that color all along, which is in and of itself a daring choice to begin with. Some of the themes from Persona 5 are : individuality, corrupt society, changing the world for the better, rebellion and duality, all of which are inside the context of youth. So... what did P5 use to express all of this at once? 80's Punk fanzines. Teenagers who awakens their inner spirit of rebellion to change a world they don't accept, created by corrupted adults. Sounds familiar. Just have a quick google images look and you'll see the ressemblance immediately. This is why P5 color is red, why every menu is black and white with highlights of red, with some halftone newspaper effects. The punkrock fanzine also encapsulate the need for selfmade underground systems, since the Phantom Thieves also are clandestine. Another example is the cutout letters in most of the lettering work, which once again is found in punk fanzines but also supports the "Thievery" element by evoking ransom letters. The game is so precise and smart when it comes to UI and graphic design that I made a 3 hours lecture on it for my game UI/UX students. :D P5 is not a great game with a great UI. Its UI made it the iconic title it is today, and there's no wonder why this one broke into mainstream audiences unlike its predecessors Persona 3 and 4 that stayed pretty niche in comparison."
10:46 I have seen an example of this in the mobile games "alto's oddyssey" and "alto's adventure" both released by the same team. The game is about sliding down endless dunes (or just hills in the latter game) and doing various tricks. The more tricks you do, the more you speed up and you can see this visually by _the length of your scarf._ This info becomes important when you get the wingsuit upgrade, which lets you glide for a while when you reach full speed, indicated by your scarf being very long and turning from colored to white.
I am really happy that you showed mirror's edge at the end, it's HUD is so interesting because it's 2 main features are diegetic (health and runner's vision), and the way they implement runner's vision not as a direction but an object you need to use is really interesting.
I really like how Splatoon shows your ink with a tank on the back and just has the enemies color ink get more prominent on the edge of the scree when you take damage. You don't need exact numbers for that game so its just works great.
Man, I think the game tells you this at the beginning but I totally forgot it actually changes in-game, perhaps that's why under ink it does tell it through UI! man I'm having obvious realisations aren't I
yes! splatoon nails its UI and HUD design perfectly. you get just as much information as you need without impeding your vision. by only being able to look at the map if you're willing to sacrifice the view of your player, it introduces careful strategy. i'm glad splatoon 3 doesn't seem to be changing their approach to UI.
I wish more games did this. Having numbers and icons all over the screen feels very cumbersome. I love when developers display crucial information on the characters or the game world itself. Like if an enemy is almost dead, have them move slower or attack less instead of having a health bar over their head.
I haven't even watched the whole video, but this already deserves a like with that thumbnail! Honestly, Persona's UI is a sight to behold. Ever since I bought an item from the town shops in Persona 3 Portable, I couldn't stop thinking about those moving chains, pills etc. that just totally immerses you in whatever they're selling. And they've kept at it with 4 and just absolutely went nuts with everything in 5. 🔥
I really like the system that Astroneer uses, where your oxygen and power stats and also your inventory is included in your backpack. Your invantory can also directly interact with the world and players can put stuff in your backpack. It really gives it a sense of integration and makes it feel right.
The way that you put your sword against the light to find the direction to the next boss in Shadow of the Colossus is a great example of a HUD put in the game's world
I love Mario Odyssey’s HUD: coin counters in top left, health & compass top right. It is so minimal and sleek. Every time you collect a coin, it shows a short coloured accent on the counter, and a quick “42/100” with regional coins. Take damage or recover health and the health indicator moves to the center for a bit. I also like the subtle triangle above checkpoints when you get near them. Touch a checkpoint and you know what the place is called. Capture something and you get simple explanations for the controls, consisting of at most two buttons with short descriptions (and _“You can also […] to […]”_ as well). There are tons of examples of superb UI design in this game, it’s just fantastic. Same holds for Breath of the Wild.
One moment involving UI that I thought was interesting was the final mission in Halo Reach, because as you fought to survive and you take hits, cracks start to form on your helmet and taking away hud info over time, really selling the feeling of a desperate last stand
Star Wars: Squadrons has a great diegetic UI with the player's ship status reflected through lights, dials, and readouts inside the cockpit. It's obvious that a lot of time and effort went into balancing each ship's layout to reinforce the ship's unique feel, the faction's style (Republic vs. Empire), and maintaining clarity of information.
A really interesting example of UI I witnessed was in Sakuna : Of Rice And Ruin. The UI here is treated a bit like a power-up. Since there's a lot of "farming" element in it, you start the first time on your field with 0 indications and barely any help, but the more you'll do each task, the more your character will get familiar with it and then you'll unlock some UI indication that'll let you know various information like "is your field well tended", "where are the bad weeds located" or "are your crops planted too close or too far". Really makes it feel like something you earned. Also, special mention for Nier:Automata where you can install/uninstall the HUD on your character.
@@tracaine A great example is grenade throws in Uncharted 4. You don't see the throw arc, BUT you can aim your weapon and throw to be mostly accurate. However, grenades bounce and explode 1 sec after surface contact, enabling players of all skill levels to learn grenades. New players will line up nades and go slow, likely missing the opportunity, while pros will quick throw, bounce nades, or self nade etc on the fly, making them feel like a Transformers movie.
@@tracaine this extremely subjective but for me the Total War games come to mind - specifically how you're supposed to manage the loadouts of your characters. They keep improving the UI but increase the importance and complexity of the loadouts which results in me always feeling the UI not quite manages to meet the needed ease of use to make the fun idea worth the effort; it mostly feels like maintance after having say more than 10 turns into the game.
Not enough mention down here of In Other Waters who dared to take the most extreme step forward and asked "Okay but what if YOU were the UI and the HUD?"
I think Mark tries to run the channel almost entirely on Patreon revenue, so maybe he doesn't monetize his videos directly. It would be odd; I would have thought leaving ads on even just a few of them would be great for this channel, given the quality he holds himself to.
@@bumpsy That makes more sense; either he does monetize his videos (I would), or showing gameplay clips from so many games means TH-cam may let relevant companies put ads on his videos for their compensation. (I know that's something TH-cam does for videos with copyrighted music, but I don't remember all of the details.) I never see ads on TH-cam so I forget they're there until other people mention them.
In the same style of Metroid Prime, I really like the HUD in Republic Commando. It's a also a Helmet view that shows you all the necessary data. Where are your Teammates, what are they doing right now, how much health do the have. As well as the previews on giving commands to the team. Really like that game and I'm glad it got a re-release on last gen systems.
This made me think of that brief period in the mid 90s where games like Donkey Kong Country would keep the HUD completely off the screen until it was relevant. Even the original SNES manual alluded to it by saying something like "Where's the lives counter? The speedometer? Off the screen, where they belong!"
Thinking about it, Paper Mario TTYD would fit in this category too. In the overworld, there's no UI except when specifically summoned by the player or you take in-field damage. In battle, the HP/FP/SP meters stay above the stage (or a small meter below each enemy), with action command prompts only appearing during the attacks. It does feel very clean.
I feel games with more concise states can benefit from it. If the states are able to be reflected in the ingame entities, the better. Provided it is readable. More quantifiable values ought to be displayed when relevant (relevant can also mean all the time)
I appreciate this video so much. It's frustrating in meetings to explain early on something is wrong with the UI that causes major issues to the gameplay and have design dismiss it as "it's not a visual thing we can fix it in design." Then to have them after 3 months of being unable to work it out finally come to the conclusion I had months ago and pat themselves on the back for being so clever. It's nearly always treated as an after thought to Design or even just "polish".
A university should hire you for a game design course. My professor is great at his job, and he mentioned you a lot of times during his lectures, we even watched some of your videos in class.
@@paulaaaaaaa11 Hell, design in general. Douglas Adams quipped about tool complexity by saying "We don't notice pennies, because they work exactly how we expect them to. We notice computers." (The exact quote is no doubt better written.)
Yes and no. I mean, like he says about Persona 5 for example. That UI is so striking and stylish that it grabs your attention in a big way, but it's so great that you love it. The UI isn't some passive thing just doing it's job, it's part of the games identity.
I disagree. I think if the UI is passable then it goes unnoticed, but exceptional UI certainly can make a game feel different. Doom's weapon wheel still sticks with me and games that use this wheel well enough are satisfying to play.
@@paulaaaaaaa11 Persona 5's design has its benefits. If you ever look at the ingame models during standard conversation, you'll find them serviceable, but not very expressive. Aside from a few oft-reused animations, they don't really move much unless there's something big happening. During dialogue scenes, then, your eye is drawn down to the bottom of the screen with the jazzy, animated text box and the far more expressive character portraits. Persona's models have long been the weak link in the game's look, so Atlus decided to leverage that, and ended up with one of the best looking games ever made.
Satisfying UI - Doom's weapon wheel, never gets old, it's just satisfying switching weapons this way. - Ace combat HUD. The cockpit and arial views are just so engaging and they change the display elements with each aircraft, not only to match their rl counterparts for immersion, but to also signal to the player the physical change of switching aircrafts built for different roles. - LittleBigPlanet: The Popit is just genius. A fluid UI element that adapts to the player's circumstances. Both a 2d object anchored to the screen and a physical object tied to the LBP world. Plus it was satisfying to use.
Honestly, one of my favorite examples of HUD-equivalent UI interacting with gameplay isn't even from a video game but from _Attempting to Fulfill the Plan:_ a turn based forum game about managing a planned economy. I'm quite fond of it as a case study in various ways that just altering the information presented to the players can alter the feel and nature of a game. Whether by making obfuscated mechanics something for the players to discover rather than being handed to them, adding an element of reading and analysis of the text to what would otherwise be a pure numbers game, or as a plot twist to, as one player put it "Put us into hard mode, but also unlock the good ending." Importantly, it's one where there's both a narrative component and a list of hard numbers on how much everything is going to plan and what needs to be done. In light of that, the players eventually learned that things like seasonal variation or how fast they finished projects actually made a difference. (It turned out that rushed work is shoddy, slow but consistent maintenance can be surprisingly effective, and failing to account for the weather could be somewhat... grim. This was not a lighthearted game.) Nothing ever talked about it, and still doesn't, but the mechanics actually did exist, and had to be learned through the narrative and trial and error. In another case, a stat for how much the higher ups are favoring you at the moment completely disappeared in the midst of a crisis while still being present in the narrative. (Because hey, makes sense that everyone is too worried about the war to be worried about pleasing the boss, including the boss themselves) So players instead of having a hard stat now have to hunt for clues in the narrative about how much each policy will affect their favors once the mechanic eventually does come back and tally up everything that happened again. Yet another case is how one of the big early twists was players picking an option to be much better at everything, with the cost of no longer being able to lie to the bosses, only to learn that, "oh, the fudged numbers applied to what we as players see _too_ because all _our_ underlings were lying to us as well." and see that rather than doing incredibly well as they thought they'd been, everything was massively behind schedule. Not a little exacerbated by the players having gone for plans noted in the narrative to be "impossibly optimistic." All things concluded, it's a really interesting fusion of the tropes of the unreliable narrator and the interface screw.
The way Sea of Thieves deals with Ui is amazing. Aside from your health bar showing up when not at max, you screen is completely HUD-Less, with everything from the map to the compass to the in-game time shown through in-game items that can easily be accessed with a single bumper press and joystick movement. Things like treasure maps, compasses, and pocket watches can even be held out and shown to other players by holding the left trigger. It’s amazing.
I know I’m late to be leaving a comment on this video. I’ve been catching up on some of my favorite content creators. I have to say though, Mark, I absolutely LOVE this video and the subject matter. This aspect of game design is positively FASCINATING to me. From what kind of experiences for the player can be created by removing information or adding it. To the whys and reasons a game developer chose what to display and what not to display. I even enjoyed the concept of making the information diegetic (a nice word that I didn’t know existed and now can use when I can try to explain stuff to friends) and making the player choose between whether they want to use a motion tracker tool or a weapon. I adored this video. I am biased though because my field is in psychology and I have ALWAYS been fascinated by how games affect a person’s perspective, experience, and behaviors/choices. Thank you for making this video. I’ve always enjoyed your content, Mark. This just so happen to ring a bell closer to home for me. :)
I didn't find it fun to load the "load data" button. I had to first open the menu, go to a button called "Config" or something like that, then watch a small animation of Joker flying to the screen, and THEN I could select the "Load Data" button. It was nice to watch the 1st time. However, by the 5th time that I wanted to load a previous save, that small animation became old, and having to wait those 2 or 3 seconds just to load the rest of the menu felt tedious.
For me the best UI system can be found in the Metro series, especially during outside phases where the state of your helmet and your watch would indicate you how much o2 you've got left. This fits perfectly with the general atmosphere and serves the gameplay in a unique way. Great content as always, love this channel!
The fact this video was made when I’m looking at how to implement UI into my game design documentation is an insane coincidence and like most GMTK videos, I’m sure this is gonna help a tremendous amount in reminding me of the obvious stuff I always overlook
An example of UI impacting game design that's one of my favorites is the scrolling health meter in Earthbound and Mother 3. The ordinarily chill gameplay flips on its head and becomes and introduces a challenging decision to make. Do you try to beat the enemies fast enough to outspeed the clock or do you try to maneuver the menus without hesitation in hopes that you can heal your party members in time? In 3 they introduce another component to this situation, that being sound battles. You perform combos to deal more damage OR you can opt out on the combos to save time. Not something that I think gets enough credit
I really like how "Return of the Obra Dinn" makes its UI elements diegetic, and in turn, once you start thinking about them as part of the game world, they can help you solve several fates, including one before you even use the pocket watch for the first time.
One of my favorite video gaming moments recently was while watching my girlfriend playing Obra Dinn: "Do you want a hint?" "Yes" "How did you get that book?" "What?" "Who gave you that book?"
Such an important subject that, as you pointed out, often gets relegated to an afterthought. Glad to see you covering it in the same amount of depth and detail as other, more obvious topics. Keep up the great work!
GMTK: ”Press Y to open door Press X to get into vehicle” Me: Now please say press F to pay respects GMTK: ”Press E to jump into mass grave” Me: ... Even better!!! :D
I'd personally like to give a shoutout to SimCity 4 for finding new ways through the HUD to convey to players the health of their city. In addition to the returning news ticker, the game also displays six "polling bars" that show how the city is performing in categories like education, environment, health, etc. Much like the mood meters in The Sims, these bars have indicators and color changes that show when approval is rising and falling, giving players a nice confidence boost or point for concern, respectively. The advisors also return from previous games, now with new animations and portrait colors to convey at a glance how positive, negative, or urgent their reports are. It's all a huge step up from having to scroll through your news ticker messages, scan maps, and judge tiny advisor thumbnails. SC4 found a clean way to give would-be mayors some nice visual indicators. Anyways, great video! Loved the presentation (and that the P5 thumbnail literally says "heads up!" haha).
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The cool thing about the Scars’ whistles in TLoU2 is that you can actually parse out their meaning if you study them a bit. Specific whistle mean certain things like “man down” or “I saw something suspicious” etc.
@@lued123 Never understood the differences since they all did the same thing. Thought it was a wasted mechanic when you could have had your buddy scars distract them with whistles
"It's about being clever with the layout. To ensure that the information that is on screen is relevant and easy to digest" _Final Fantasy Dissidia NT has left the chat_
probably one of the best interesting hud designs I've ever come across is the field of view in Darkwood. Darkwood is a top-down view game, but detailed information is only visible within a perspective light-cone extending from the player character, the rest of the game screen is perpetually murky gray with only vague topographical information. It makes for an INCREDIBLE survival horror experience bc you have enough information about the terrain around you to estimate the distance between you and points in your immediate surroundings, but still need to pay attention to your field of view for things like protecting yourself at night, and it leads to interesting gameplay strategy bc the field of view changes under certain circumstances, such as when holding a weapon at the ready before striking, forcing you to juggle between broad visibility and task focusing. Its an incredible way to create a unique sense of claustrophobic tension and it and several other hud design elements, like the division of the inventory and how it's accessed in gameplay, make Darkwood a must play game when talking about interesting hud design
As a counterpoint to decision made in Reigns, The Binding of Isaac used to have very basic information about how items would change your stats, shown in bars during the pause menu, and in one of their DLCs they added a HUD element that gave you exact numbers on the side of the screen. This was done, I believe, because of players voicing their frustration about the randomness of certain items and their descriptions. For example the items "Screw" and "Toothpicks" both have the same description "Tears + shot speed up" but the former gives +0.5 tears and +0.2 shot speed, while the latter gives +0.7 tears and +0.16 shot speed. There are legitimate times in Isaac where you are offered the choice of 1 of 2 items and knowing those stat differences would likely have been impossible otherwise.
One of my favorite game HUDs is in Elite: Dangerous. It's a spaceship sim game played exclusively in the cockpit of a ship. The UI is all holographic projections either in the air or on your cockpit glass. It shakes around with your ship, rolls and pitches, etc. However, that's not the best part. If you're somehow unlocky enough to smash your cockpit canopy against something or get your cockpit shot through by enemy fire, your glass takes damage until _fwoosh_ it's broken. The game goes silent. There is no sound, now that your ship's speakers have no air to play sound through. You only hear your pilot's breaths in his spacesuit. Oh, and remember how important parts of the HUD were projected onto the glass? That's gone too. Good luck navigating a spaceship in deep space when you have no clue what or where your nearest spaceport, and you only have a few minutes of emergency oxygen left before you suffocate
For the bit on Castlevania always showing the boss' health... that could he interesting for a hunting style game, where the boss has no arena or obligation to face you head on all of the time. Maybe they can even hunt for the same healing items you'd use to recover... and seeing their HP tick up could let you know to focus on spots where heal items can appear at all.
Interesting you should mention a hunting type game, because that makes me think of how Monster Hunter does things. Oddly enough, they don't show a health bar at all for the monsters. Instead they make you figure out how close the monster you're hunting is to death through things like its behaviour and animations changing. When I first tried a MH game, that threw me off, because I was frustrated that I had no idea how long a hunt was going to take. I still haven't played too much of the series, but I appreciate that choice more now.
@@Terithian same goes for other games in the hunting genre, although in the hunting games I've played (which are in the MH and God Eater series, respectively), you don't always have only one target, so the Castlevania health bar wouldn't be of much help.
That sort of reminds me of that Bigfoot hunting game that got pretty popular a couple years ago. If I'm remembering correctly, its health is displayed pretty much at all times, and the sudden change when a previously laid trap manages to chip off some of its health always gets the excitement climbing back up. It helps you think about where you are/how you're faring in comparison to your prey, and I think it'd be really interesting to see more games with that mechanic.
Seriously, your breakdowns make up 60-70% of my video game philosophy studies, or have springboarded me into the topic more in-depth after realizing, by watching your videos, that requires further investigation. I am forever grateful to you and your partners on this channel. When our game is finished...i'll be back to show you what i was able to refine it with your guidance.
When you mentioned diagetic HUDs, my mind instantly jumped to VR games. Diagetic information is crazy useful in VR, since having a HUD stuck to your face breaks the immersive and realistic qualities of the medium. Half-Life: Alyx did a great job going from the series' usual HUD to one that is (almost) completely located on your hands. Health, resin, ammo; everything important is visible just by looking at the Russells (or your gun, for your loaded ammo count, but that's almost the exact same as hands). The only non-diagetic elements are quick floating messages that teach you the controls or what to do with new things. I really think they did a great job on delivering info to a VR player smoothly.
I particularly love the way experience points are handled in Ghost of Tsushima. Instead of giving some random number that I'll never use it just tells me if a mission yields high, medium, or low xp amounts.
So I've started playing SMT Strange Journey and I love how the first time you encounter an enemy its a blob of data, giving a lot of fuel to the "stranded in another dimension" storyline the game has. Also the UI elements are represented as part of the visor in the character's suit.
I like how cyberpunk doesn’t give you a HUD until Viktor gives you the new Kiroshi optics. Just adds to the immersion because getting new optics will change some HUD elements.
3:01 I laughed so much there. Never heard you so confused before. Great video though. I love the word document or text editor style throughout the video!
I really liked that in ori and the will of the wisps ori spins on the second jump and and produces a small wave on the third making it obvious what jump you're on
I remember Donkey Kong Country being one of the first games I played that hid its UI elements. If you weren't collecting bananas or letters for example the counter wouldn't be on the screen. It really helped you appreciate those super high tech graphics at the time!
@@pcm1011 Yeah, I do miss that. The 2 hearts (and 4 with a partner) suits well the newer games but it removes the purpose of having them added following you (perhaps that's why they're on your back now and function as a powerup too, which holy shit is actually a very smart transition)
I like how risk of rain 2 shows you the difficulty curve alongside the time in your run, you begin to panic once the difficulty steps up and also begin to hear your heartbeat as you see the length of your current run, really adds to the tension
I’m a big fan of the sekiro attack indicators. They show you a big attack is coming, but you still need to parse the animation to know if you need to dodge, parry or step-on-their-spear, and you still need to react quick enough to do it.
Finally someone with a voice speaks about this. Thank you. I cant explain how it goes on my nerves that game designers doesnt think about HUD as part of the game, but something that should follow the actual trends of design. I love games where the hud is just as the part of the atmosphere as the lighting, texturing of the objects, plot, sountrack etc. Also i love games where the hud doesnt play the game instead of you.
HUD UI is especially important in strategy games, where being able to make informed decisions easily is key-- your cognitive load is less stressed by quick action and more taken up by how to optimize your next choice. Amplitude's Endless games have always excelled at clean, readable design (as well as sometimes being absolutely beautiful to experience)
Agree, also related to the size off the screen. I think this one of the biggest problems in games like Stellaris, so many ressources and stuff, and so small ... Its like they want to kill your eyes wtf... I think this one of the reason hearts of iron 4 is superior to stellaris, even though Stellaris has better concepts. The UI of HoI4 is just that much better. Sadly HoI4 has a forced alliance/ declare war system, that makes your playthroughs to similar often. Also the AI is to stupid often. I think even though some of the other games maybe be better, Hearts of iron 4 has probally the best UI of the paradox games.
This video proves there are some people in the video game industry who really care about their work, yet those people are not the one in control unfortunately. Each video from GMTK makes me want to drop everything and start making games, cheers. Best Game UIs are the customizable ones
Even though, our game is not that related to the topic of this video. When you said, "UI can have a tremendous impact on the way a game looks, works, and feels." I'm kinda felt that because that's what our game is all about. We designed the game around its UI. And it's brought a lot of impact to the narrative of the game. So, I love this video so much. Thank you.
I love how Astroneer embeds the ui into the game world. You always see your inventory on your backpack. And you see the inventory of the other players. I wouldn't be supprised, if the ui lead to smaller numbers of necessary items for building stuff which changes the game balance. Also your oxygen level and power level are part of your visual equipment. I love it.
I thought of this example as well, especially when Mark referred to Dead Space. Astroneer is such a great game, it's UI is well thought out and it adds to the atmosphere of the game
I would like to mention how Amplitude studios has created a very consistent five color combo for their fidsi (food, industry, dust, science, influence) resources. Particularly in Endless Space 2 and Endless Legend, things pertaining to science have an obvious blue color, and Amplitude has used the same stylized atom to represent science in all their games. Industry is orange and has a pair of cogs, food is green and is a piece of wheat, dust (or gold in Humankind) is yellow and a coin looking object, and influence is purple and a star.
The no-HUD display in Dead Space is a stroke of genius. It's a technical marvel. If you listen to how Glen Schofield achieved it with the technology at the time, you can hear his voice telling you, I put my heart and soul into this game. Ubisoft achieved the whistling enemies with Far Cry 4 back in 2014 but Ubisoft is on the bad side of everyone apparently so no credits were given.
... technical marvel? I don't see it as such. You could claim creative leap, but... Like the man said, the earliest versions of showing the player their hp through their player model... Was in Super Mario Bros. Like, I can see how putting a gauge onto a player model could be finicky, but... I still don't see technical marvel.
Pokemon's exclamation mark when a trainer notices you is more an example of iconic HUD although it ultimately plays into game design because you quickly learn to be on the lookout for trainers, whether to find them or avoid them
Jeez, speaking of UI, the little touches to your animations have been really impressive lately, I'm blown away by your attention to detail e.g. the pixel count while resizings your icons
I love how botw calls it "Pro-mode" when it hides the games map and other HUD-elements. It makes me check out every nook's cranny and not just areas that look interesting on the map.
I'm allergic to minimaps so I turned it off on my first playthrough, the moment I got access to the settings. I'm glad I did because BotW is one of the few games that you can actually play without that information, if you pay attention to the instructions you're given by NPCs you can identify everything just by looking at the environment, the map is well done enough that even after all these years I can still tell where a picture of a forest was taken just by looking at it. I only realized how much effort that must've been for Nintendo when I went on to play other open world games without a minimap. Some don't even let you turn it off, but the ones that do are nearly unplayable without it.
@@thekiss2083 Little meter like that are necessary for people who want to play in a certain way. Like someone who prefer to play sneaky or want to do it can use that info. BotW's UI is just having all the tool you need and it's up to you to use it or not, I'd say.
The production value of this video is just unreal! I love that the informational elements are shown as if in a drafting mode of a game designer. Totally slick
Celeste. No HUD. Everything you need to know is communicated by the character. Can you dash? Look at the hair color. What's your stamina at? How tired does Madeline look? Is she flashing red?
When you were talking about removals of the HUD and adding the information to the world itself all I could think about was how in Monster Hunter, instead of having a health bar for the monster, you can see it be weakened over time. It getting enraged, its parts getting broken off, and it starting to limp away, are all great ways to portray this stuff. And it gets really hype whenever you see it limping and makes for a much more engaging experience. Having a health bar for monsters in monster hunter would make it objectively worse.
I like Splatoon's HUD. The amount of enemy ink coloring you shows your HP, as well as ink covering the edge of your screen. When an enemy Octarian sees you, they get ? and ! to say they found you. In Turf War, your team's little Squid and Octopus symbols go rainbow if they have a Special ready, go grey and get an X is they are splatted, and get bigger/smaller depending on turf inked. In PvP/Campaign, your in-game ink tank tells you how much ink you have without going in your ink in Squid/Octo form. If someone has a fully charger Charger, the back starts glowing and shining. Rollers lose their ink coating if the user doesn't have enough ink to fling an attack. There is bar on your ink tank indicating if you can throw a bomb. In Campaigns, your lives appear as little squid or octopi in the upper-left corner.
As an aspiring UI Artist I wanted to thank you for bringing more light to the work that UI/UX designers do. It’s definitely not an easy job and much like programmers and QA testers, the design teams are also severely under appreciated yet without them the game would be an unplayable mess.
Huge respect for setting yourself up for the obvious "Press F to pay respects" joke and then throwing something 10x more insane at us with the "mass grave" prompt.
The "wot" at the end made me lose my shit.
i also anticipated the classic F but the mass grave was a welcome surprise
I expected the x to Jason.
because is a clearly much smarter than the average guy.
Don't forget the was it 5 or 6 reference.
I will never get over how NieR: Automata took diegetic UI to the next level by having them be chips you put into your robot character. Want more space for more useful chips? Sacrifice some UI! Wonder why that chip says never remove? Go ahead, you'll get a little funny scene!
Not to mention (spoiler)...
... One of the boss fights has you fighting in another android's UI until they stop functioning. It's literally a copy of your menu screen when you zoom out on it.
mmm, werent most Ui things realted to diffculty though ?
Including right at the start, where adjusting the game settings is diegetic, and specifically what you adjust is referenced later
It's part of the game, its canon you and the character your playing is also seeing it. I love it.
@@Risky_roamer1making the UI part of the game proper. Nifty
I really like the way Celeste tells you when your boost is available by changing Madeline's hair color. Also, Madeline getting visibly tired and flashing when her wall cling is close to running out. Other HUD elements like Strawberry count are hidden until they change.
Yeah! Madeline's hair colour is a great example - lesser games would have put that info on the HUD.
Also wanted to mention celeste. Hollow doesnt show if the dash or double jump is available, but its not really a platforming focused game. How crucially it indicates when the shadowdash has recharged.
@@GMTK Very similar to the Luma spin in Galaxy which is another great example
Similar example: Hollow Knight's Shade Cloak being represented by a particle effect rather than a bar
@@GMTK I love how you never fail to recognize celeste in any video. This you've done in the comments, but still very cool
One of many reasons I appreciate GMTK: When there's a screen full of code, it's actually game code, not a screenshot from a web dev tutorial (as if the audience won't notice).
The next step would be to actually show code segments that are related to what's being talked about.
@@cameron7374that sounds more difficult as he’d need a relevant game’s source code and one that’s open to having its code shown publicly
Well, Mark could show "relevant" code. Not the exact source code, but if he was talking about a health system, he could show code that functions as a health system.
I love how he delivers jokes like the mass grave or five shots or six in such a monotone voice, makes it so much funnier
Humor masterfully enhanced by deadpan delivery is probably encoded in the genome of the British at this point.
@@KyleJMitchell as an Englishman myself, I can confirm this.
True. He really missed out on mentioning “press f to pay respects” imo
@@bartholomewjenkins164 No, he didn't. That meme's been abused to hell and back.
agreed
Outside the small little health bar, Sea of Thieves absolutely nails its UI. Really helps to immerse yourself as a pirate in this cartoony world.
I think the best part of it is that so much of the UI is integrated into the sound and visuals of the game (rather than bars or menus). Your ship health is roughly represented by how full of water it is. The wind direction is always visible, and you can tell when your ship is at max speed when you see the sails catch (accompanied by a satisfying whoosh sound effect). If you want to know what direction you're headed you need to pull out a physical compass.
It's a diagetic UI done really really right, and shows that a lot of cool stuff can be done without a conventional HUD.
I think the one thing they could have done better is controls for fishing. Right now all you get is some pop-ups the first couple times you fish, based on the stage of catching you're in. Personally I found them really confusing (and pretty sure one was wrong, telling me to use the mouse to pull against the fish, when I was supposed to use WASD) - I think a one-time hand-holding tutorial, or better on-screen UI while fishing could have helped. It just struck me as an area it felt like they went overboard in hiding information, especially after watching the video where the devs talk how they wanted no UI when fishing (a fine goal for immersion, *if* you're able to get the player there without a lot of frustration and lost fish).
@@themarrs fishing is ez
It has some good UI, but I really hate how reading quests and notes works.
i dont think so, the nested radial menus is just so bad and tedious to navigate
It's wild to me that people were cosplaying as the UI from Persona 5. I'm glad you brought that game up as an example because slick, stylish UI can definitely add a lot to a game.
imagine making a game so good people cosplay as the visuals
It's so stylish
I really hope turnbased rpgs start taking stylizing their menus in the future instead of just plain text
@@iaxacs3801 yeah, i was never much into turn-based rpgs because of how boring and underwhelming the battles usually are, just simple and small text with some really small animations. But Persona 5 managed to make stuff like selecting the right persona and attack actually interesting and fun
Sorry, they WHAT?
Halo: Reach has a pretty standard diegetic HUD for the most part, but the way it's used in the last level is amazing.
The last level is a hold-out-as-long-as-you-can one that ends with your death, both gameplay-wise and story-wise. As you take more and more damage throughout the level, cracks begin forming on your in-game helmet, obscuring your vision and shorting out elements like the ammo counter. These cracks stay even if you go back to full health. It really creates a sense of dread and desperation and it's one of the only times I've seen the HUD itself tell a story.
Great end. My brother and I were going at it thinking we had this one last fight. But they just kept coming….
An interesting case is Nier Automata where HUD elements can be equipped, but that is using up slots that can be used for buff items. You could remove all HUD elements and have all your stats improved but the game is much harder this way, so you need to decide which UI elements are really useful to you.
And auto-suppressing the HUD was also an equippable upgrade…
Was gonna mention this too, as something I loved about the game when I finally started playing it not too long ago. Making the UI feel like it actually exists in the world, as opposed to something just slapped on top for the player. Not that the latter is bad, but I do like the immersion of the former.
Nier: Automata and Dead Space have the best designs in this aspect.
Similar thing happens in Hollow Knight with the compass charm, which makes you decide whether the "you are here" icon on the map is important enough to take a slot that could be used to provide other utilities.
I will always love how Sparks is your health bar in Spyro and, if you take too much damage, you will no longer pick up gems as easily since your health bar was grabbing them for you when you got close enough. I especially like that in the remaster he will point you in the direction of any remaining gems.
I agree
Really clever for sure
In the original year of the dragon (Spyro 3) sparx got upgrades when you played the minigames as Sparx, including the ability to point you towards the remaining gems if you pressed all of the shoulder buttons..
I think it’s literally been a decade since I’ve heard the phrase, “consider Peggle...”
You should subscribe to grayfruit. His Peggle videos are wonderful
@@thekiss2083 grayfruit was the reason i remembered that peggle existed at all
It's also been a long time since I heard a Dirty Harry reference.
I installed the mobile app a couple months ago, only afterwards found out it's long running
@@proxy1035 as a french speaker, I remember Peggle from Bob Lennon
Republic Commando was always my favorite diagetic UI, with ammo counts on weapons, in-helmet holoimages for squad commands, and a BUG SPLATTER VISOR WIPER
Something I really enjoy about the enemies that use whistles in the Last Of Us Part II, is how when you're playing as Ellie, the subtitles just say ***WHISTLE*** because Ellie has no idea what they mean. While you are playing as Abby though, it shows in the subtitles as *Warning Whistle* or *Flanking Whistle* because Abby has been fighting these people for years and knows their calls.
amazing detail, didn't notice!
That's incredible
That's a cool detail. I didn't know that because I haven't played with subtitles on. If the information is intended to give Abby a slight gameplay advantage over Ellie, because she has been fighting the Scars her whole life, it would have been even better to have a way of notifying the player without the need for subtitles to be on.
@@JeremyComans this isn't exactly what you mean, but its worth mentioning that you can actually tell these whistles apart if you listen closely enough! They're consistent enough to be deciphered, which I think is great sound design.
That being said, I suppose the most obvious way to make Abby's experience more evident would be to have her make contextual comments depending on the whistles the player hears. Its hamfisted, but it would make it more obvious what's going on.
@@Vatterju That's along the lines of what I was thinking. Even just the first few whistles to prod the player into working it out.
13 years later, and Dead Space UI still seems so insanely unique and cool.
Yeah, mostly cos of the lack of it
I'd like to note how much Persona 5 was praised for how well it intgrated it's UI elements into the style and feel of the game, and how it became one of it's most praised and memorable feautures. It's one of those things so rarely paid much attention that when Persona 5 did it so well, it became instantly iconic.
Yeah, and a lot of games started mimicking it afterwards. Im really intrigued on how or what will be the UI for Persona 6.
Shame the other elements weren’t as good as P4G
Exactly. Lots of thing are good in the Persona series but there's no wonder why it's this one that broke into popularity. Writing, characters, core gameplay are pretty much as good as they've always been but this UI system kept people interested in an already pretty niche genre. I just left a big ass comment about the less obvious but incredibly clever ways the UI works, won't paste it but it's nice to see the public acknowledging the value of UI design, as a UI designer myself haha
@@blackstab3913 I disagree with the writing and characters comment. Could you paste your other comment, I’d be interested in reading it
@@ToriKo_ I do prefer a lot Persona 5 from its predecessors but it's out of personal stuff like me loving picaresque stories. The presentation is superior but a good amount of fans tend to prefer P4, probably out of nostalgia to be fair.
Anyway, the comment in question : "I'm seeing a few Persona Ui comments so I'd like to point out something :
We all know how stylish and juicy is the UI, but it's actually much more intelligent than one might think at first. The game released a whole console generation late and the animation and modeling shows it. The emphasis on the UI was a smart move to catch our eyes with the shiny portraits and splash arts, effectively hiding in plain sight the more rough aspects of their visuals.
But what's really a tour de force from Atlus is how the UI almost solely establishes art direction and expresses themes. Every Persona game has a color, and the game has to respect that color all along, which is in and of itself a daring choice to begin with. Some of the themes from Persona 5 are : individuality, corrupt society, changing the world for the better, rebellion and duality, all of which are inside the context of youth.
So... what did P5 use to express all of this at once? 80's Punk fanzines. Teenagers who awakens their inner spirit of rebellion to change a world they don't accept, created by corrupted adults. Sounds familiar. Just have a quick google images look and you'll see the ressemblance immediately.
This is why P5 color is red, why every menu is black and white with highlights of red, with some halftone newspaper effects. The punkrock fanzine also encapsulate the need for selfmade underground systems, since the Phantom Thieves also are clandestine. Another example is the cutout letters in most of the lettering work, which once again is found in punk fanzines but also supports the "Thievery" element by evoking ransom letters.
The game is so precise and smart when it comes to UI and graphic design that I made a 3 hours lecture on it for my game UI/UX students. :D P5 is not a great game with a great UI. Its UI made it the iconic title it is today, and there's no wonder why this one broke into mainstream audiences unlike its predecessors Persona 3 and 4 that stayed pretty niche in comparison."
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I have seen an example of this in the mobile games "alto's oddyssey" and "alto's adventure" both released by the same team.
The game is about sliding down endless dunes (or just hills in the latter game) and doing various tricks. The more tricks you do, the more you speed up and you can see this visually by _the length of your scarf._ This info becomes important when you get the wingsuit upgrade, which lets you glide for a while when you reach full speed, indicated by your scarf being very long and turning from colored to white.
ohh i love that game
I do like a good HUD
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@Mr. CT you are helping it explode
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Oh my... This is surprising...
I am really happy that you showed mirror's edge at the end, it's HUD is so interesting because it's 2 main features are diegetic (health and runner's vision), and the way they implement runner's vision not as a direction but an object you need to use is really interesting.
And it can even be turned off. Highly recommended for a next play through
I really like how Splatoon shows your ink with a tank on the back and just has the enemies color ink get more prominent on the edge of the scree when you take damage. You don't need exact numbers for that game so its just works great.
Man, I think the game tells you this at the beginning but I totally forgot it actually changes in-game, perhaps that's why under ink it does tell it through UI! man I'm having obvious realisations aren't I
yes! splatoon nails its UI and HUD design perfectly. you get just as much information as you need without impeding your vision. by only being able to look at the map if you're willing to sacrifice the view of your player, it introduces careful strategy. i'm glad splatoon 3 doesn't seem to be changing their approach to UI.
I wish more games did this. Having numbers and icons all over the screen feels very cumbersome. I love when developers display crucial information on the characters or the game world itself. Like if an enemy is almost dead, have them move slower or attack less instead of having a health bar over their head.
I haven't even watched the whole video, but this already deserves a like with that thumbnail! Honestly, Persona's UI is a sight to behold. Ever since I bought an item from the town shops in Persona 3 Portable, I couldn't stop thinking about those moving chains, pills etc. that just totally immerses you in whatever they're selling. And they've kept at it with 4 and just absolutely went nuts with everything in 5. 🔥
"These are about taking information that would normally be invisible..." *Shows the game Invisible, Inc on screen*
I see you Mark. Well played.
Hoped someone would spot that!
I caught that too! Very cheeky.
I really like the system that Astroneer uses, where your oxygen and power stats and also your inventory is included in your backpack. Your invantory can also directly interact with the world and players can put stuff in your backpack. It really gives it a sense of integration and makes it feel right.
The way that you put your sword against the light to find the direction to the next boss in Shadow of the Colossus is a great example of a HUD put in the game's world
but in other hand that stamina circle is just stupid.
and if you finish the game enough the whole screen gets pink 😂😂
I love Mario Odyssey’s HUD: coin counters in top left, health & compass top right. It is so minimal and sleek. Every time you collect a coin, it shows a short coloured accent on the counter, and a quick “42/100” with regional coins. Take damage or recover health and the health indicator moves to the center for a bit. I also like the subtle triangle above checkpoints when you get near them. Touch a checkpoint and you know what the place is called. Capture something and you get simple explanations for the controls, consisting of at most two buttons with short descriptions (and _“You can also […] to […]”_ as well). There are tons of examples of superb UI design in this game, it’s just fantastic.
Same holds for Breath of the Wild.
One moment involving UI that I thought was interesting was the final mission in Halo Reach, because as you fought to survive and you take hits, cracks start to form on your helmet and taking away hud info over time, really selling the feeling of a desperate last stand
Ooooh yes! That was really impactful
Indeed, that was an awesome touch! It really added to the final send off of the game! Love the halos! Classic and nostalgic series!
Star Wars: Squadrons has a great diegetic UI with the player's ship status reflected through lights, dials, and readouts inside the cockpit. It's obvious that a lot of time and effort went into balancing each ship's layout to reinforce the ship's unique feel, the faction's style (Republic vs. Empire), and maintaining clarity of information.
yet they fucked up the rest with healthbars and "modern" markers everywhere
I always loved how in halo different weapons had different reticles and they would mix and match in different ways while dual weilding
A really interesting example of UI I witnessed was in Sakuna : Of Rice And Ruin.
The UI here is treated a bit like a power-up. Since there's a lot of "farming" element in it, you start the first time on your field with 0 indications and barely any help, but the more you'll do each task, the more your character will get familiar with it and then you'll unlock some UI indication that'll let you know various information like "is your field well tended", "where are the bad weeds located" or "are your crops planted too close or too far".
Really makes it feel like something you earned.
Also, special mention for Nier:Automata where you can install/uninstall the HUD on your character.
I swear so many games make it so hard to know what's happening BY THEIR LACK OF GOOD HUD ALONE!
Or having too much. It's all about balance
Which games? I mean specifically.
@@tracaine A great example is grenade throws in Uncharted 4. You don't see the throw arc, BUT you can aim your weapon and throw to be mostly accurate. However, grenades bounce and explode 1 sec after surface contact, enabling players of all skill levels to learn grenades. New players will line up nades and go slow, likely missing the opportunity, while pros will quick throw, bounce nades, or self nade etc on the fly, making them feel like a Transformers movie.
@@tracaine this extremely subjective but for me the Total War games come to mind - specifically how you're supposed to manage the loadouts of your characters.
They keep improving the UI but increase the importance and complexity of the loadouts which results in me always feeling the UI not quite manages to meet the needed ease of use to make the fun idea worth the effort; it mostly feels like maintance after having say more than 10 turns into the game.
P5 is a prime example of the absence of a good HUD, forgoing any sense of readability in exchange for trying to be artistic.
Not enough mention down here of In Other Waters who dared to take the most extreme step forward and asked "Okay but what if YOU were the UI and the HUD?"
Not only is this high quality, thoughtful gaming content, but I have not once been shown a YT ad during GMTK's videos. It's fantastic.
I think Mark tries to run the channel almost entirely on Patreon revenue, so maybe he doesn't monetize his videos directly. It would be odd; I would have thought leaving ads on even just a few of them would be great for this channel, given the quality he holds himself to.
@@KyleJMitchell I've gotten an ad during thw video. Maybe TH-cam has introduced their new ideas already or it's just inconsistent
There are two ads at the end of the video, though.
@@bumpsy That makes more sense; either he does monetize his videos (I would), or showing gameplay clips from so many games means TH-cam may let relevant companies put ads on his videos for their compensation. (I know that's something TH-cam does for videos with copyrighted music, but I don't remember all of the details.) I never see ads on TH-cam so I forget they're there until other people mention them.
Get the Adblock extension or switch to Brave or something.
In the same style of Metroid Prime, I really like the HUD in Republic Commando. It's a also a Helmet view that shows you all the necessary data. Where are your Teammates, what are they doing right now, how much health do the have. As well as the previews on giving commands to the team.
Really like that game and I'm glad it got a re-release on last gen systems.
This made me think of that brief period in the mid 90s where games like Donkey Kong Country would keep the HUD completely off the screen until it was relevant. Even the original SNES manual alluded to it by saying something like "Where's the lives counter? The speedometer? Off the screen, where they belong!"
Thinking about it, Paper Mario TTYD would fit in this category too. In the overworld, there's no UI except when specifically summoned by the player or you take in-field damage. In battle, the HP/FP/SP meters stay above the stage (or a small meter below each enemy), with action command prompts only appearing during the attacks. It does feel very clean.
I feel games with more concise states can benefit from it. If the states are able to be reflected in the ingame entities, the better. Provided it is readable. More quantifiable values ought to be displayed when relevant (relevant can also mean all the time)
I appreciate this video so much. It's frustrating in meetings to explain early on something is wrong with the UI that causes major issues to the gameplay and have design dismiss it as "it's not a visual thing we can fix it in design." Then to have them after 3 months of being unable to work it out finally come to the conclusion I had months ago and pat themselves on the back for being so clever. It's nearly always treated as an after thought to Design or even just "polish".
A university should hire you for a game design course. My professor is great at his job, and he mentioned you a lot of times during his lectures, we even watched some of your videos in class.
Haha, great! I've actually given a few guest lectures at schools around the world - always a pleasure to do so.
Very interesting, enjoyable video. Thanks Mark!
you sneaky little bastard hahaha :D
"When games have great UI you dont notice it. But when they have a horrible one you can feel it." - TheActMan in that one video
@@paulaaaaaaa11 Hell, design in general. Douglas Adams quipped about tool complexity by saying "We don't notice pennies, because they work exactly how we expect them to. We notice computers." (The exact quote is no doubt better written.)
Yes and no. I mean, like he says about Persona 5 for example. That UI is so striking and stylish that it grabs your attention in a big way, but it's so great that you love it. The UI isn't some passive thing just doing it's job, it's part of the games identity.
I disagree. I think if the UI is passable then it goes unnoticed, but exceptional UI certainly can make a game feel different. Doom's weapon wheel still sticks with me and games that use this wheel well enough are satisfying to play.
Black Desert Online is an example of too much information on the HUD, and it's stressful for a new player...
@@paulaaaaaaa11 Persona 5's design has its benefits. If you ever look at the ingame models during standard conversation, you'll find them serviceable, but not very expressive. Aside from a few oft-reused animations, they don't really move much unless there's something big happening. During dialogue scenes, then, your eye is drawn down to the bottom of the screen with the jazzy, animated text box and the far more expressive character portraits.
Persona's models have long been the weak link in the game's look, so Atlus decided to leverage that, and ended up with one of the best looking games ever made.
I really like how Half-life Alyx integrated it's UI elements, probably the best I have encounter in VR so far.
Satisfying UI
- Doom's weapon wheel, never gets old, it's just satisfying switching weapons this way.
- Ace combat HUD. The cockpit and arial views are just so engaging and they change the display elements with each aircraft, not only to match their rl counterparts for immersion, but to also signal to the player the physical change of switching aircrafts built for different roles.
- LittleBigPlanet: The Popit is just genius. A fluid UI element that adapts to the player's circumstances. Both a 2d object anchored to the screen and a physical object tied to the LBP world. Plus it was satisfying to use.
Honestly, one of my favorite examples of HUD-equivalent UI interacting with gameplay isn't even from a video game but from _Attempting to Fulfill the Plan:_ a turn based forum game about managing a planned economy. I'm quite fond of it as a case study in various ways that just altering the information presented to the players can alter the feel and nature of a game. Whether by making obfuscated mechanics something for the players to discover rather than being handed to them, adding an element of reading and analysis of the text to what would otherwise be a pure numbers game, or as a plot twist to, as one player put it "Put us into hard mode, but also unlock the good ending."
Importantly, it's one where there's both a narrative component and a list of hard numbers on how much everything is going to plan and what needs to be done. In light of that, the players eventually learned that things like seasonal variation or how fast they finished projects actually made a difference. (It turned out that rushed work is shoddy, slow but consistent maintenance can be surprisingly effective, and failing to account for the weather could be somewhat... grim. This was not a lighthearted game.) Nothing ever talked about it, and still doesn't, but the mechanics actually did exist, and had to be learned through the narrative and trial and error.
In another case, a stat for how much the higher ups are favoring you at the moment completely disappeared in the midst of a crisis while still being present in the narrative. (Because hey, makes sense that everyone is too worried about the war to be worried about pleasing the boss, including the boss themselves) So players instead of having a hard stat now have to hunt for clues in the narrative about how much each policy will affect their favors once the mechanic eventually does come back and tally up everything that happened again.
Yet another case is how one of the big early twists was players picking an option to be much better at everything, with the cost of no longer being able to lie to the bosses, only to learn that, "oh, the fudged numbers applied to what we as players see _too_ because all _our_ underlings were lying to us as well." and see that rather than doing incredibly well as they thought they'd been, everything was massively behind schedule. Not a little exacerbated by the players having gone for plans noted in the narrative to be "impossibly optimistic."
All things concluded, it's a really interesting fusion of the tropes of the unreliable narrator and the interface screw.
The way Sea of Thieves deals with Ui is amazing. Aside from your health bar showing up when not at max, you screen is completely HUD-Less, with everything from the map to the compass to the in-game time shown through in-game items that can easily be accessed with a single bumper press and joystick movement. Things like treasure maps, compasses, and pocket watches can even be held out and shown to other players by holding the left trigger. It’s amazing.
Concur. Great design.
I know I’m late to be leaving a comment on this video. I’ve been catching up on some of my favorite content creators. I have to say though, Mark, I absolutely LOVE this video and the subject matter. This aspect of game design is positively FASCINATING to me. From what kind of experiences for the player can be created by removing information or adding it. To the whys and reasons a game developer chose what to display and what not to display. I even enjoyed the concept of making the information diegetic (a nice word that I didn’t know existed and now can use when I can try to explain stuff to friends) and making the player choose between whether they want to use a motion tracker tool or a weapon. I adored this video. I am biased though because my field is in psychology and I have ALWAYS been fascinated by how games affect a person’s perspective, experience, and behaviors/choices. Thank you for making this video. I’ve always enjoyed your content, Mark. This just so happen to ring a bell closer to home for me. :)
Persona 5 deserved the art or some other award for how brilliantly stylist and just fun it is navigating its UI, menus and HUDs
You have an Odd Head.
I didn't find it fun to load the "load data" button. I had to first open the menu, go to a button called "Config" or something like that, then watch a small animation of Joker flying to the screen, and THEN I could select the "Load Data" button.
It was nice to watch the 1st time. However, by the 5th time that I wanted to load a previous save, that small animation became old, and having to wait those 2 or 3 seconds just to load the rest of the menu felt tedious.
Jrpgs fans lack taste? surprising
@@eduardorpg64 How often did you load your save while in game?
@@eduardorpg64 You can skip the entire animation with the 'X' button😐
For me the best UI system can be found in the Metro series, especially during outside phases where the state of your helmet and your watch would indicate you how much o2 you've got left. This fits perfectly with the general atmosphere and serves the gameplay in a unique way.
Great content as always, love this channel!
The fact this video was made when I’m looking at how to implement UI into my game design documentation is an insane coincidence and like most GMTK videos, I’m sure this is gonna help a tremendous amount in reminding me of the obvious stuff I always overlook
I found that the best games manage to dial it back as much as possible.
Diegetic UI is the best and should be encouraged more.
An example of UI impacting game design that's one of my favorites is the scrolling health meter in Earthbound and Mother 3. The ordinarily chill gameplay flips on its head and becomes and introduces a challenging decision to make. Do you try to beat the enemies fast enough to outspeed the clock or do you try to maneuver the menus without hesitation in hopes that you can heal your party members in time? In 3 they introduce another component to this situation, that being sound battles. You perform combos to deal more damage OR you can opt out on the combos to save time. Not something that I think gets enough credit
I really like how "Return of the Obra Dinn" makes its UI elements diegetic, and in turn, once you start thinking about them as part of the game world, they can help you solve several fates, including one before you even use the pocket watch for the first time.
One of my favorite video gaming moments recently was while watching my girlfriend playing Obra Dinn:
"Do you want a hint?"
"Yes"
"How did you get that book?"
"What?"
"Who gave you that book?"
Such an important subject that, as you pointed out, often gets relegated to an afterthought. Glad to see you covering it in the same amount of depth and detail as other, more obvious topics. Keep up the great work!
GMTK: ”Press Y to open door
Press X to get into vehicle”
Me: Now please say press F to pay respects
GMTK: ”Press E to jump into mass grave”
Me: ...
Even better!!! :D
Always fun to play with people's expectations ;)
@@GMTK, sometimes it's nice to have some unpredictability, indeed. ^_^
I'd personally like to give a shoutout to SimCity 4 for finding new ways through the HUD to convey to players the health of their city.
In addition to the returning news ticker, the game also displays six "polling bars" that show how the city is performing in categories like education, environment, health, etc. Much like the mood meters in The Sims, these bars have indicators and color changes that show when approval is rising and falling, giving players a nice confidence boost or point for concern, respectively.
The advisors also return from previous games, now with new animations and portrait colors to convey at a glance how positive, negative, or urgent their reports are. It's all a huge step up from having to scroll through your news ticker messages, scan maps, and judge tiny advisor thumbnails. SC4 found a clean way to give would-be mayors some nice visual indicators.
Anyways, great video! Loved the presentation (and that the P5 thumbnail literally says "heads up!" haha).
I remember accidentally pressing E at my grandfathers funeral. That was awkward
_Half-Life use SFX_
@@dmas7749 *half-life gibbing sfx*
@@re57k i LOVE that sfx
@@dmas7749 it sounds crunchy and tasty
I'm glad you said grandfathers rather than grandfather's, since it's a mass grave. Makes me wonder how many you had though!
Holy shit Peggle actually exists, I thought it was a childhood fever dream
Peggle is real. Peggle is very real. If you want to see it again, and also experience a fever dream at the same time, you should look up DougDoug Peggle.
The cool thing about the Scars’ whistles in TLoU2 is that you can actually parse out their meaning if you study them a bit. Specific whistle mean certain things like “man down” or “I saw something suspicious” etc.
@@lued123 Very cool. I had some issues with the pacing of that game but mechanically and graphically, it's virtually airtight
@@lued123 Never understood the differences since they all did the same thing.
Thought it was a wasted mechanic when you could have had your buddy scars distract them with whistles
13:23 Growing up my brother, mom and I all LOVED playing Peggle! It was one of the games we "bonded" over, like Soul Calibur IV
"It's about being clever with the layout. To ensure that the information that is on screen is relevant and easy to digest"
_Final Fantasy Dissidia NT has left the chat_
many games left the chat
That name alone should tell you that it's very much the opposite of minimalism
@@danieladamczyk4024 many games mess it up but very few mess it up THAT bad
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz i just looked this up, and as atheist i must say
"DEAR GOD!"
@@danieladamczyk4024 bro as a fellow atheist I let out a jesus christ when they first showed it lmao
probably one of the best interesting hud designs I've ever come across is the field of view in Darkwood. Darkwood is a top-down view game, but detailed information is only visible within a perspective light-cone extending from the player character, the rest of the game screen is perpetually murky gray with only vague topographical information. It makes for an INCREDIBLE survival horror experience bc you have enough information about the terrain around you to estimate the distance between you and points in your immediate surroundings, but still need to pay attention to your field of view for things like protecting yourself at night, and it leads to interesting gameplay strategy bc the field of view changes under certain circumstances, such as when holding a weapon at the ready before striking, forcing you to juggle between broad visibility and task focusing. Its an incredible way to create a unique sense of claustrophobic tension and it and several other hud design elements, like the division of the inventory and how it's accessed in gameplay, make Darkwood a must play game when talking about interesting hud design
As a counterpoint to decision made in Reigns, The Binding of Isaac used to have very basic information about how items would change your stats, shown in bars during the pause menu, and in one of their DLCs they added a HUD element that gave you exact numbers on the side of the screen. This was done, I believe, because of players voicing their frustration about the randomness of certain items and their descriptions.
For example the items "Screw" and "Toothpicks" both have the same description "Tears + shot speed up" but the former gives +0.5 tears and +0.2 shot speed, while the latter gives +0.7 tears and +0.16 shot speed. There are legitimate times in Isaac where you are offered the choice of 1 of 2 items and knowing those stat differences would likely have been impossible otherwise.
Interesting!
One of my favorite game HUDs is in Elite: Dangerous. It's a spaceship sim game played exclusively in the cockpit of a ship. The UI is all holographic projections either in the air or on your cockpit glass. It shakes around with your ship, rolls and pitches, etc. However, that's not the best part.
If you're somehow unlocky enough to smash your cockpit canopy against something or get your cockpit shot through by enemy fire, your glass takes damage until _fwoosh_ it's broken. The game goes silent. There is no sound, now that your ship's speakers have no air to play sound through. You only hear your pilot's breaths in his spacesuit. Oh, and remember how important parts of the HUD were projected onto the glass? That's gone too.
Good luck navigating a spaceship in deep space when you have no clue what or where your nearest spaceport, and you only have a few minutes of emergency oxygen left before you suffocate
For the bit on Castlevania always showing the boss' health... that could he interesting for a hunting style game, where the boss has no arena or obligation to face you head on all of the time. Maybe they can even hunt for the same healing items you'd use to recover... and seeing their HP tick up could let you know to focus on spots where heal items can appear at all.
Interesting you should mention a hunting type game, because that makes me think of how Monster Hunter does things. Oddly enough, they don't show a health bar at all for the monsters. Instead they make you figure out how close the monster you're hunting is to death through things like its behaviour and animations changing. When I first tried a MH game, that threw me off, because I was frustrated that I had no idea how long a hunt was going to take. I still haven't played too much of the series, but I appreciate that choice more now.
@@Terithian same goes for other games in the hunting genre, although in the hunting games I've played (which are in the MH and God Eater series, respectively), you don't always have only one target, so the Castlevania health bar wouldn't be of much help.
That sort of reminds me of that Bigfoot hunting game that got pretty popular a couple years ago. If I'm remembering correctly, its health is displayed pretty much at all times, and the sudden change when a previously laid trap manages to chip off some of its health always gets the excitement climbing back up. It helps you think about where you are/how you're faring in comparison to your prey, and I think it'd be really interesting to see more games with that mechanic.
Seriously, your breakdowns make up 60-70% of my video game philosophy studies, or have springboarded me into the topic more in-depth after realizing, by watching your videos, that requires further investigation.
I am forever grateful to you and your partners on this channel. When our game is finished...i'll be back to show you what i was able to refine it with your guidance.
Mark Brown is going to raise the best generation of video games this world has ever seen
We really need to get this man more view.
This dude’s just great.
Props for the Persona 5 shout out. One of the best looking, yet very functional UIs ever. Maybe THE best.
The animation is especially clean on this one
When you mentioned diagetic HUDs, my mind instantly jumped to VR games. Diagetic information is crazy useful in VR, since having a HUD stuck to your face breaks the immersive and realistic qualities of the medium. Half-Life: Alyx did a great job going from the series' usual HUD to one that is (almost) completely located on your hands. Health, resin, ammo; everything important is visible just by looking at the Russells (or your gun, for your loaded ammo count, but that's almost the exact same as hands). The only non-diagetic elements are quick floating messages that teach you the controls or what to do with new things. I really think they did a great job on delivering info to a VR player smoothly.
mate what the hell? this editing is so great it's hard to believe
I particularly love the way experience points are handled in Ghost of Tsushima. Instead of giving some random number that I'll never use it just tells me if a mission yields high, medium, or low xp amounts.
So I've started playing SMT Strange Journey and I love how the first time you encounter an enemy its a blob of data, giving a lot of fuel to the "stranded in another dimension" storyline the game has. Also the UI elements are represented as part of the visor in the character's suit.
I like how cyberpunk doesn’t give you a HUD until Viktor gives you the new Kiroshi optics. Just adds to the immersion because getting new optics will change some HUD elements.
3:01 I laughed so much there. Never heard you so confused before.
Great video though. I love the word document or text editor style throughout the video!
Now would you look at the INSANE production quality of this video! Well done, Marc, well done!
I saw a persona on the thumbnail and I didn't even need to read the title to know what it was about
YYYYYEP!
How people can fall in love with such a hideous and migraine-inducing UI is one of the great mysteries of gaming.
@@expendableround6186 poor taste mate
I really liked that in ori and the will of the wisps ori spins on the second jump and and produces a small wave on the third making it obvious what jump you're on
I remember Donkey Kong Country being one of the first games I played that hid its UI elements. If you weren't collecting bananas or letters for example the counter wouldn't be on the screen. It really helped you appreciate those super high tech graphics at the time!
Also your "health bar" could be interpreted by having both Diddy and Donkey or just one of them
@@pcm1011 Yeah, I do miss that. The 2 hearts (and 4 with a partner) suits well the newer games but it removes the purpose of having them added following you (perhaps that's why they're on your back now and function as a powerup too, which holy shit is actually a very smart transition)
I like how risk of rain 2 shows you the difficulty curve alongside the time in your run, you begin to panic once the difficulty steps up and also begin to hear your heartbeat as you see the length of your current run, really adds to the tension
2:58 i am surprised you did not include the iconic "press f to pay respect"
Press X to Jason!
You have an Odd Head.
Activision would probably have DMCA'd the video.
6:11 damn. Nice editing. Love your videos
I’m a big fan of the sekiro attack indicators. They show you a big attack is coming, but you still need to parse the animation to know if you need to dodge, parry or step-on-their-spear, and you still need to react quick enough to do it.
Finally someone with a voice speaks about this. Thank you. I cant explain how it goes on my nerves that game designers doesnt think about HUD as part of the game, but something that should follow the actual trends of design. I love games where the hud is just as the part of the atmosphere as the lighting, texturing of the objects, plot, sountrack etc. Also i love games where the hud doesnt play the game instead of you.
HUD UI is especially important in strategy games, where being able to make informed decisions easily is key-- your cognitive load is less stressed by quick action and more taken up by how to optimize your next choice. Amplitude's Endless games have always excelled at clean, readable design (as well as sometimes being absolutely beautiful to experience)
Agree, also related to the size off the screen. I think this one of the biggest problems in games like Stellaris, so many ressources and stuff, and so small ... Its like they want to kill your eyes wtf... I think this one of the reason hearts of iron 4 is superior to stellaris, even though Stellaris has better concepts. The UI of HoI4 is just that much better.
Sadly HoI4 has a forced alliance/ declare war system, that makes your playthroughs to similar often. Also the AI is to stupid often.
I think even though some of the other games maybe be better, Hearts of iron 4 has probally the best UI of the paradox games.
As a Product Designer I appreciate people bringing to light the importance of good UI/UX. Great video!
This video proves there are some people in the video game industry who really care about their work, yet those people are not the one in control unfortunately.
Each video from GMTK makes me want to drop everything and start making games, cheers. Best Game UIs are the customizable ones
Even though, our game is not that related to the topic of this video. When you said, "UI can have a tremendous impact on the way a game looks, works, and feels." I'm kinda felt that because that's what our game is all about. We designed the game around its UI. And it's brought a lot of impact to the narrative of the game. So, I love this video so much. Thank you.
I love how Astroneer embeds the ui into the game world. You always see your inventory on your backpack. And you see the inventory of the other players. I wouldn't be supprised, if the ui lead to smaller numbers of necessary items for building stuff which changes the game balance. Also your oxygen level and power level are part of your visual equipment. I love it.
I thought of this example as well, especially when Mark referred to Dead Space. Astroneer is such a great game, it's UI is well thought out and it adds to the atmosphere of the game
I would like to mention how Amplitude studios has created a very consistent five color combo for their fidsi (food, industry, dust, science, influence) resources. Particularly in Endless Space 2 and Endless Legend, things pertaining to science have an obvious blue color, and Amplitude has used the same stylized atom to represent science in all their games. Industry is orange and has a pair of cogs, food is green and is a piece of wheat, dust (or gold in Humankind) is yellow and a coin looking object, and influence is purple and a star.
Half Life Alyx's diegetic design is wonderful. It would have been nice to hear a mention of VR in here somewhere.
14:10 Good ol' Snecko, giving you almost all 3s.
Can we take a minut to appreciate the quality of this editing
The no-HUD display in Dead Space is a stroke of genius. It's a technical marvel.
If you listen to how Glen Schofield achieved it with the technology at the time, you can hear his voice telling you, I put my heart and soul into this game.
Ubisoft achieved the whistling enemies with Far Cry 4 back in 2014 but Ubisoft is on the bad side of everyone apparently so no credits were given.
... technical marvel? I don't see it as such. You could claim creative leap, but... Like the man said, the earliest versions of showing the player their hp through their player model... Was in Super Mario Bros.
Like, I can see how putting a gauge onto a player model could be finicky, but... I still don't see technical marvel.
@@plzletmebefrank K
5:51 “Do you feel lucky punk?”
Pokemon's exclamation mark when a trainer notices you is more an example of iconic HUD although it ultimately plays into game design because you quickly learn to be on the lookout for trainers, whether to find them or avoid them
In Sunless Skies I love how the journal entries appear on the screen around your train
Jeez, speaking of UI, the little touches to your animations have been really impressive lately, I'm blown away by your attention to detail e.g. the pixel count while resizings your icons
I love how botw calls it "Pro-mode" when it hides the games map and other HUD-elements. It makes me check out every nook's cranny and not just areas that look interesting on the map.
I was astounded how many little meters BOTW has bc I turned all that sh*t off instantly. Like, a stealth meter? That's active all the time??
I'm allergic to minimaps so I turned it off on my first playthrough, the moment I got access to the settings. I'm glad I did because BotW is one of the few games that you can actually play without that information, if you pay attention to the instructions you're given by NPCs you can identify everything just by looking at the environment, the map is well done enough that even after all these years I can still tell where a picture of a forest was taken just by looking at it. I only realized how much effort that must've been for Nintendo when I went on to play other open world games without a minimap. Some don't even let you turn it off, but the ones that do are nearly unplayable without it.
Yeah I turned pro mode on the moment I started playing. The game is so much more immersive as a result!
Every time I read BOTW I think of RedletterMedia's Best of the Worst...
@@thekiss2083 Little meter like that are necessary for people who want to play in a certain way. Like someone who prefer to play sneaky or want to do it can use that info. BotW's UI is just having all the tool you need and it's up to you to use it or not, I'd say.
The production value of this video is just unreal! I love that the informational elements are shown as if in a drafting mode of a game designer. Totally slick
Celeste. No HUD. Everything you need to know is communicated by the character. Can you dash? Look at the hair color. What's your stamina at? How tired does Madeline look? Is she flashing red?
It's still technically a hud
When you were talking about removals of the HUD and adding the information to the world itself all I could think about was how in Monster Hunter, instead of having a health bar for the monster, you can see it be weakened over time. It getting enraged, its parts getting broken off, and it starting to limp away, are all great ways to portray this stuff. And it gets really hype whenever you see it limping and makes for a much more engaging experience. Having a health bar for monsters in monster hunter would make it objectively worse.
3:03 “press E to jump in mass grave, uhh w0t”
I'm surprised he left out "pres F to pay respect"
I like Splatoon's HUD. The amount of enemy ink coloring you shows your HP, as well as ink covering the edge of your screen. When an enemy Octarian sees you, they get ? and ! to say they found you. In Turf War, your team's little Squid and Octopus symbols go rainbow if they have a Special ready, go grey and get an X is they are splatted, and get bigger/smaller depending on turf inked. In PvP/Campaign, your in-game ink tank tells you how much ink you have without going in your ink in Squid/Octo form. If someone has a fully charger Charger, the back starts glowing and shining. Rollers lose their ink coating if the user doesn't have enough ink to fling an attack. There is bar on your ink tank indicating if you can throw a bomb. In Campaigns, your lives appear as little squid or octopi in the upper-left corner.
You never disappoint, Mark Brown. You once again opened my eyes to the depth of video game design
As an aspiring UI Artist I wanted to thank you for bringing more light to the work that UI/UX designers do. It’s definitely not an easy job and much like programmers and QA testers, the design teams are also severely under appreciated yet without them the game would be an unplayable mess.