Where Do 5in Gun Powder Cans Go?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 พ.ค. 2022
- In this episode we're taking a closer look at the De-Canning Scuttles that are used with the 5in Guns.
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Submariners sleeping next to or on top of torpedoes is always at the top of my list of functionality vs habitability.
On an SSBN every bunk is nestled in between the (usually nuclear) missile tubes. We had to turn sideways to fit between tubes to get to/from our bunks :)
Can you imagine, you find a nice spot... and they fire it off the ship while you're at work!?!
@@pgtmr2713 that’s one thing I’m very glad for, we never fired any of our missiles. While I know whether we were carrying nukes or not (that fact is still classified for some reason, even though it’s been 20 years) I served before we started converting SSBNs to carry lots of cruise missiles, so any launch would have looked like a first strike nuclear launch (regardless of the actual warhead in place - Trident missiles look the same externally regardless of the warheads.
@@robertkb64 Always nice when you don't have to.
Coming out the Army side of things I can tell you sleeping under the cannon was a great spot when it was cold. Right above the engine block. All that heat seeping up through your sleeping bag. Until the vehicle had to reheat the engine and sucked the cold air back through your sleeping bag. Always let the gunner know that you are there.
My father served in WWII on a destroyer, the USS Henry A. Wiley. During the early days of the Iwo Jima battle, they were fire support for the 28th Marines. They fired so many 5" shells at Mount Suribachi that the spent shell cannisters built up on the deck to the point where they couldn't turn the turret. My father (gun captain) and the rest of the sailors in the gun jumped out to throw the cannisters overboard. The Wiley was 400 yards from shore, so they received small arms fire from the Japanese while they were exposed on deck.
BTW, yes "that" 28th Marines, the one that raised the iconic flag on Mount Suribachi while the Wiley's crew watched a couple of days later.
What a great story, especially the destroyer came so close to shore they were within small arms range. The USS Longshaw was lost off Okinawa from shore-based batteries. The only USN destroyer to be lost in such a fashion during WW2. My hat is off to your father and the rest of the crew of the USS Henry A. Wiley!
@@josephstevens9888 Yes, the US destroyers saw a lot of close-in action at Iwo and Okinawa, plus the radar picket station duty caused a lot damage to the destroyers.
I have the Action Logs from the days at Iwo Jima, which record the radio transmissions from the Marines to the USS Wiley for fire support. One entry:
20 Feb 1945
2145:
Need fire badly.
Check fire. Expedite illumination of 132-R. Close range and use starshells, we need it badly.
Maintain illumination. 132-R. Put your searchlight on the rocks there.
Commence fire when searchlight is on with 40s, 20s and 5 inchers on 132-R.
2153:
Thanks fellow that was really wonderful work, really wonderful. Move out a little to protect yourself, but stay in the vicinity.
My father always spoke highly of how tough those Marines were, and what they went through.
My father also served on the same destroyer. He was a fireman 2nd class.
@@bobashenbrenner5252 Great story Bob and honor to your father and crew.
@@dannylamberth9038 If you want more info on your Dad's ship, send me an email. My email is my first and last name, and it's a Gmail address.
A prime example of function over form is the Captain’s at-sea cabin. He’s got one of the nicest staterooms on the ship, but he can’t sleep there while under way, it’s too far from the bridge, so he has an second small austere space in the superstructure.
Matthew Geer, That cabin would be across from the ships armory starboard side main deck.
Which captain? Which ship?
@@mrvelleful , Captains Kaiss and Carney, battleship Missouri.
The captain had a small cabin across from the armory. Not a stateroom per se.
These are my favourite videos. As a former field artillery gunner, I always find myself watching videos on operation of thse guns in action and asking myself, "Hunh, wonder what they do with the empty propellant cans," or "Hunh, I wonder how they set the fuzes for anti-air engagements". I love the level of detail in these short vids. Well done, Ryan.
Ok so now imagine that the crew has just participated in a night action like the USS Washington where everyone was tuned up to 11 and working at a furious pace.
The battle has ended, the adrenaline has subsided and everyone is absolutely exhausted and just when you want to hit your rack you open the passageway and aluminum tins come pouring out and you have to tidy up before you can sleep.
I've slept on cans....
Passed out..
It might be weird, but this reminds me of a busy kitchen - everyone moving around in tight spaces, passing full trays over heads and keeping empty ones low, all while trying not to get burned by the various cooking appliances. You can spot the newbies really easily because they tend to just sink into a corner and try to keep out of the way. I can sort of imagine the choreographed chaos of moving all the ammo around - but then I realize that all the while they are doing this there are continuous explosions and the ever present realization that existence might just end in a flash.
Ahhh the memories that came back when I saw that upper handling room. When I was onboard ‘83-‘87 MT 55 and only MT 55 was manned by the Marines during general quarters and gun shoots. We had 1 Gunners Mate assigned to the mount do maintenance and upkeep. If he needed help he would call the guard shack.
I was one of the first divisions to go through battle stations 21 in 2007 at RTC great lakes. One of the evolutions was to transfer what seemed like 100 of those powder canister as the space was flooding while trying to use jubilee patches on the pipe. It was about as real as it could get. Also that was the only ship i was on during my 6 years in as i was a Seabee
I was damage control on a WWII DD USS Hugh Purvis, DD 709 in Viet Nam. In actual battle with shore guns that were landing shots all around us as we fired three of these twin, five inch thirty eights as fast as they could go. I am amazed at how fast they could load and shoot those guns, the cans were flying out onto the deck like crazy. I watched through a cracked open door wearing all the gear and head phones and it was still very loud.
I was on a DEG that was built in the early 70's, but had a single barrel 5"/38 turret that was built in 1945 on the bow. During a firing exercise the guy taking the shell off of the hoist was literally throwing the shell into the tray, and the rammer was triggering the ram as the thrown shell was landing. An amazing rate of fire, until the time when firing suddenly stopped and the gun crew bailed out of the turret. It turned out that that the thrown shell was a little off, and bounced up as the ram was triggered, so the shell went part way into the breech and then was bent upwards pretty far. The gun captain ordered everyone out of the turret ASAP until they could get the shell unjammed and removed.
@@martinbose7163 Wow...That would have been the end of that gun crew if it was a PD (Point Detonation) fuse, and it had gotten smacked square on it's end. One very lucky crew...
The Spruance class cans and subsequent ships functionality vs habibility were beginning to be better than the earlier cans. The Navy figured that when the crew us comfortable then the morale is better. I served on 4 ships.
served aboard the 986 from 85-88 and yes the 'cadilac's ' were alot better as i was told too.Think they even taught us seamen in mag room how to set those shells with the spanner for air frags as well.It wasnt anything like the older ships even if they had an auto loader the mark 45 gun system was very easy to use.Did experance a few hot guns however an luckly all went well,wasnt until i was out when the powder blew up on the battleship.Also maybe of interest that durring my time in navy echos announced navy would take anyone up to 60 yrs old if they had gunners mate experiance to teach how to use the 16in gun
I remember Ryan talking about berthings, in the actual guns themselves, being there at some point, with the remains of the mounts still there in places, right in the actual guns and associated spaces. But I can also see them putting berthing in any place they could fit the standard bunk, even if it was in some obscure part that was a pain to get to most of the time. Bet those were valued though, hard to get in and out meant there was less chance of the petty officers coming, to roust you for mandatory fun activities.
Had a friend who was in the navy, and spent time on maritime patrol boats, where berthing was more of find a semi flat spot and sleep on it, as the boat would go out for a 2 week patrol, but was so small, that they only had a head, and no shower. Get dirty wash in sea water.
One round every three seconds?!? I was a army tanker, and although it was just a BIT different.. that's damn impressive. Granted, I was alone, had to deal with the timing of the fireproof doors.. had combustible cartridge casings.. ect.
the caliber was similar, and I was DAMN proud to get around 5-6 seconds.
You didn't have those dredger hoists handing you the ammo right at waist level and while the 5" turret isn't spacious, there's a lot more room to move than you tank guys had.
On our carriers the forward chow hall was also an operating room with the operating lights stowed in the over head.
The aft chow hall was where the ordinance was moved from the magazine elevator to the upper one that goes to the flight deck.
Functionality vs. habitability is sometimes a feature not a glitch. A friend of mine on a CVN discovered a piece of communications gear in her stateroom one day. She asked about it and they said it was part of Challenge Athena (commercial internet for Navy ships at the time). She was very pleased because comm gear needs cooling, so her stateroom would never be without A/C ever again!!! And true enough sailors would enter the stateroom periodically to ensure the gear wasn't overheating.
"She" and "Stateroom", along with "A/C", sounds rich.
Odd, I'm not finding anything listed under that name for shipboard internet.
@@SSN515... clearly from terms used she is an officer. As such she would not be in general berthing, officers usually share a smallish 'stateroom'. Exception being CO & XO, they usually have a private space, or 2.
@@philgiglio7922 Thanks for telling me all about shipboard living conditions. I really appreciate that insight.
@@Shinzon23 I found it right away on Google and I'd post the link but TH-cam deletes them.
"The Challenge Athena program leverages commercial satellite communications capabilities to provide deployed Navy carrier battle groups with high data rate (T1) communications capabilities for the transmission and dissemination of national imagery, telemedicine, radio central orderwire, sailor telephone, and intelligence and surveillance data."
"Challenge Athena allows for at-sea imagery and intelligence transmission, data-base access, video-teleconferencing, multi-line CONUS telephone connectivity, and telemedicine. The system uses leased 36 mHz transponder from COMSAT with a global beam to eliminate the need to track the ship which also allows any unit similarly equipped within the satellite footprint to receive the same feed. The Challenge Athena I demonstration established a one-way (simplex) link to USS George Washington (CVN 73) for a three month period in 1992. Challenge Athena II, provided a two-way (full duplex) T-1 transmit/receive link with the USS George Washington during an entire six month deployment. Challenge Athena III will extend the number of commercial satellite communications terminals deployed."
My perfect example of functionality over habitability is the entire ship itself. In pretty much every warship I've seen you have a huge number of people crammed into a tiny space. Obviously making the ship smaller, lighter, is better in every way. So the sailors just have to deal with it for the tradeoff of having a better ship. Not as specific or as obvious as having your living spaces infested with battle equipment, but it does show that every detail from the largest to the smallest is designed around functionality over habitability.
Thank you Ryan for taking the time to make this video before hitting the club.
😂😂🤙them stripes fresh AF though!
On the USS Kidd there are brass hatches flush with the deck in the Upper handling room of the 51 and 54 mounts. There may be others but I haven't found them. They have quick release mechanisms accessed from the deck below. Pull a single chain link out of position, pull the lever it was holding, and the hatch drops open (no lower hatch). On the two I have found, the 54 gun's scuttle drops between rows of bunks, BUT on the 51 mount it drops onto a set (3 high) of bunks. If the bunk is in functional position I don't think the canisters could clear the hole. This would mean somebody would have to have the job of going below, opening the brass hatch and (in the case of the 51 mount) dropping the triple bunk rack - possibly even rigging a chute like you discussed.
The old Swedish man-of-war Vasa, built in 1628, even had 24pdr guns in the captains stateroom. Guess he is not supposed to be there during battle anyway.
With all those big cans going into the shower, wouldn't they eventually pile-up in block the scuttle? I mentioned there had to be somebody's job to go down there and keep that area clear.
Presumably if they're shooting enough for that to be a problem, somebody goes and rigs the canvas chute he mentioned to funnel then into the room beyond the shower stall.
@@DeliveryMcGee My thoughts exactly. There will always be some sailors not urgently doing some crucial task, and these can potentially be detailed to rig up the chutes and clean out the scuttles during any lulls in the fighting.
@@Sanderford Yeah, it's not like any off-duty sailors are going to be sleeping when the big (well, medium) guns are pounding away overhead. The duty probably goes to whoever's waiting for them to stop so he can take a shower..
They had a couple of guys assigned under every gun just for that purpose.They have a sound powered phone jack, too, but I can't see it in the vid. The canvas chute and phone set were in a brass box mounted to the bulkhead in the area near the CCOL. The box probably was "pulled" during decom. They also had a collecting area they would have to request breaking Zebra to relocate the empty cases to if you got a huge pile up. Probably happened in WW2 doing AA and NGFS, ,and Korea, and Nam doing NGFS, but it didn't happened later. At condition 2 or 3, you just didn't work or "lounge" under the trap doors so your head doesn't unexpectedly get bonked.
@@SSN515 Thanks for the information. May I ask where you came by it?
Does the captain's office still have its original desk? Would be cool to see dents in it from cans dropping.
That would be really funny
I can imagine the captain coming down to his office after battle to find his desk destroyed and chipped extremely by the cans
Picture of the wife all smashed up :-D
In the age of sail, ships would "clear for action" where anything that might imped the crew was put away as part of going into a fight. I have to imagine that while rigging the canvas chute they would also push all the furniture to the sides to maximize space.
@@fire304 That desk is most likey welded to the floor. Can't have it sliding all over the place when the seas get rough.
Thanks for this video
My grandfather was on the 5in guns in Korea.
Another option for the canvas sling would be first guy to use the shower has to stow it, last guy to use the shower has to set it back up.
I enjoy all of your videos, but this was great. I never would have thought about filling up the shower with ammo cans.
4:44 Great video today. In addition to chipping the paint I'd be more concerned with a can knocking off a knob or valve in the shower stall itself.
Exactly my thought, and a busted water line could lead to flooding, and even a lack of pressure for other tasks...
I served temporarily on the New Jersey off Beirut in 1984 and the 5 inch shell casing were ejected out of the front of the mount onto the outside deck. They were thrown overboard. I actually brought a shell casing home in my seabag when I detached back to my home base in Rota, Spain.
Another great video from JR.
Watching that gun turn at 8:30 is freaky, especially if you're on the other end of it.
25 degrees per second rate of train.
What comes to mind to me was the WWII-era subs having really weak A/C primarily intended as a dehumidification and temperature regulation system to protect the sensitive electronics of the era they were using onboard.
That would be an amazing feature to have visitors work on it.
Very informative at the least about can scuttle. I was not knowledgeable about this subject, but I can imagine putting bunk mattresses with shower curtains in the shower leaning against the bhds to slow down and redirect the empty cans to bounce away from below the scuttles.
I can tell the weather here keeps the Iowa preserved here very well do to the dryness. Not much rust.
Very cool. I learn something all the time from this channel and this is a prime example. Not one of those sexy things that's often talked about but none the less important. Thank you.
Life in a tank or armored personnel carrier was none to easy either. The needs to securely stows ammunition/equipment leaves dozens of edges that will cut/bruise you if the driving gets rough. Of course, the necessity of not being seen at night meant that no lighting is available and you have to stow things in such a way you can find it in the dark.
Us Army Field Artillery ships and stores cans that are about the same size (green bag cans). We just had to haul them around until we got a reload opportunity. when sitting in a deliberate defense, we could toss them out of the hatches and external crew could move them.
The entire South Dakota class is an example of functionality over habitability
"Where do 5 inch gun power cans go"? I would assume anywhere they want. Barrumpump. Thank you! I'm here all week. Drive home safely. GR8T video as always. Thank you.
There was a topic I never considered...well presented.
Early 19th century the ships had guns in the Captain's cabin and the wardroom. The bulkheads and all other gear would need to be dismantled and stowed away below before a battle.
The Cruiser Olympia right across the river from the Battleship New Jersey has those on her
The Master and commander movie shows that perfectly where they pretty much dismantle the wall of the officers mess to prepare for battle
Thank you for the Video Ryan and Libby . This is good information to have , Makes you appreciate your own Shower . I wish I had had some of those Red Covers when I took my youngest Brother Ice Fishing , he kept putting his Mittens in the Hole .
Mark... thats what metal garbage can lids are for, silly! No, never went ice-fishing, but heck, think about it for a second, hm? Younger, they were shields for sword-fights in summer, then covers for ice fishing in the winter!
@@WhiteWolf65 Ha ha ha An Ax can go thru one of those metal Lid Shields , oldest Brother on that one . Little Brother was very young and every time he came out of the Shanty he would stick his Hand in the Hole . Soaked all of his Spares and my 3 pairs of Gloves too .
The bottoms get cut off and made into ash trays. I also have an entire can in my basement.
This brings up a question. How does the battleship handle disposal of the very large amounts of fired shells from all the smaller guns (40mm bofors, 20mm, 30mm, .30 cal, etc) that would accumulate during a heavy engagement? I assume that it just went overboard, because while recycling used brass is environmentally responsible and is also worth some money, that's not a concern during combat, and warships are not built to be "green" above all else.
It goes onto the deck (as do the cases they pull out of the cans the video is about), and if they have they have the chance they collect it for recycling when they're done, but in combat, it goes where it goes, and they might throw it overboard between engagements if enough piles up to be a problem.
Drach answered a question like that a few drydocks ago. If I recall the answer was something to the effect of, if it's a problem in battle toss it overboard but bring it back if you practically can since brass is a valuable war material.
During WW2 warships weren't very concerned about recycling. Navies were losing a lot of ships so if an item wasn't going to be useful to their immediate deployment or situation then it was probably going overboard. Less clutter means more storage and less weight; which means a faster, more efficient warship. Plus, there was no point carrying dead weight around when there was a reasonable chance your entire ship might be heading to the bottom with very little warning.
I've seen photos from WW2 in the pacific where they would have barges moored alongside the various warships being piled full of empty powder cans and used projectile cases. The powder cans were below decks, so they were an afterbattle cleanup chore. Aluminum was also a much more expensive to produce and strategic material than brass. Also later in the war they used steel powder casings, which are much more expendable than brass.
But I also read accounts of during the aftermath of air battles, when damaged ships were being put back into at least minimal service to steam or be towed back for repairs, that the escorting asw ships were constantly having to rush about after japanese periscope sightings that turned out to be a floating empty 5 inch powder casing.
Our berthing space, B314L, on the USS Coral Sea was also the home to some big fuel pipes and valves. Whenever they did an UNREP, the valves sounded like six guys beating on a couple of dumpsters with sledge hammers as fast and hard as they could and the oh so lovely fragrance of fuel oil filled the spaces for an hour or so. I was on night shift so the UNREPs always took place during my rack time.
We won't speak of the non-functional AC in the space as that wasn't a function over habitability issue. Just an antique equipment issue.
Outstanding
Thank you...
Medical facility in the mess hall is a good use of space during battle
I wonder how "off limits" the handling rooms were when not at GQ. A hole in the ceiling of a shower stall is excellent fodder for pranks if only you are allowed in the room above.
Sailors never pull prank like that at sea, it's 100% professional.
2:54 I'm thinking traditional Japanese Toilet.
3:20 ,, my worst fears realized. . . . .
@@bobroberts2371 Nasty, I was thinking of an shell casing with cold water :)
Magazines and handling rooms are kept locked up when not at actual general quarters on my ship. (FF-1098) This was at peacetime. The empty powder cans for our 5 inch gun were pushed out through scuttles in the bulkheads of the handling room. One on the forward bulkhead that emptied into the upper sonar equipment room, and one on the starboard bulkhead that dumped into a passageway. The space under the handling room was full of amplifiers and processing equipment for the sonar dome, so dumping ammo cans there was a non-starter.
We only had a single barrel mount, so not so many cans. The one time I was on board that we did a lot of shooting was for a shore bombardment training for army forward observers one time. They had to pause the shooting so the handling room crew could go out and clear away the empty powder cans as they were building up to the point that they couldn't shove any more out. I suspect during ww2 when they actually got serious about AA fire, they realized that they needed to have someone in those spaces to keep the cans cleared away.
We had to pause our shooting earlier in the day due to a squib load leaving a projectile lodged in the barrel, and they were not sure if it was a blind load or live load projectile. That was an interesting exercise in "Oh shit!" and boredom waiting for the barrel to cool down or blow up. Gunnery officer didn't let the gun captain use his clearing charge on it, ordered evacuation instead. Wimp.
They are locked for just that reason as well as others i suppose.You know,no matter if you had a beef with a shipmate or just a bad day I never seen anyone try any crazy shit in there my day simply you know dont.
My first cruise I took one home, they are great umbrella stands. Airlines don't let you do that these days.
We had a scuttle in the back of the mount they just dumped onto the deck.
Also, it's closer to a round every 2.5 seconds, at least for the burst when an aircraftis inbound. I know, I have humped them firing at air targets.
Did you save the outer can or the fired casing? After a firing operation a few Sailors had to 'police up' the deck and throw over the empty cases. Somehow one of those fired cases wound up in a Seabag of mine...
Ya'll Take care, John
When they recommissioned the Wisconsin in 88, they brought like 10 artillery marines from the fleet to man the 5 inch and to train the grunts to work the mount. Not sure if the other Iowa's did this when they were recommissioned because the Corps had Sea School which they closed in 1987 and sent us to Marine Security Forces Schools instead
Have I ever heard of functionality taking precedent over habitability? Sir, have you heard of a submarine?
This seems to be a reoccurring theme on the battleship, if you don’t have room for something just throw it through a hole in the floor and deal with it later
I feel the designers of this ship. Put the used powder scuttle that ends in the captain office as a joke. That no one else change as they built the ship.
Back in Viet Nam, 8" powder cans were used as "piss tubes". They were perforated and partially buried. Don't know how that is arranged now that women can be in arty batteries.
I am sure the decanning scuttles in the CO's "office" were actually in his in port cabin . His at sea cabin would be up close to the bridge, so in battle conditions there would be less impact.
Wowzers... I guess I didn't know.
IMO the prime example for function over comfort is the type VII C U-Boat of the Kriegsmarine. Cramped as F***, hot bunking only, maintaining good hygiene amongst the crew was very difficult
Yea , Das Boot was filmed in a scale set - that must have been hell for anyone prone to claustrophobia. Heck, I have a bit of it myself - when I'm in a CAT scanner. Gotta keep my eyes closed, 'cause looking at the ceiling 6" above me, NOPE. And that bang-bang-bang it makes doesn't help, but I distract myself by counting the bangs. Always very glad to get the heck out of it!
Going into a shower seems odd, knocking off fixtures seems likely.
As he said, the ship will sooner or later be sunk by its plumbings failing
i imagine they might put the canvas chute up when they expect combat rather then rushing it in during general quarters
German type VII subs had two bathrooms for 50 men. One served double duty as a food storage locker!
Fresh Water is a limited resource aboard the ship, the Engines and other necessary systems take priority meaning that if there is an issue with the water supply you can say goodbye to showering and being able to flush the head. Functionality over Habitability
Yup, the distillation plant was literally the most important system on the ship. No fresh water, no engines and very limited electricity (whatever the backup diesel gens could pump out if the boilers were down)
I’m still planning a trip to visit my cooling tower. Later this summer if we can get our group organized.
Could the canvas have been the shower curtain itself? I’m no expert, however that would be the perfect “ready” in use item.
So what did they do with the spent cans after the battle? When they cleared out all the used casings, were they recycled into new items, moved to storage, and returned for refilling on the next supply stop, just tossed overboard, or something else?
Question I've always had is what happens to the empty brass cases the powder charge is in after it's been fired? Some are used to weigh bodies for an @ sea burial...
What did they do with the cans once they get to the shower/captain’s office/etc? Were they reused? Thrown overboard?
What did they do with the 5inch magazines spaces from the 5-inch gun mounts that were removed during the 1980's?
If you mean large brass how about large ash trays in waiting rooms? I remember something like a bomb with fins somewhere. Perhapsjustbeforeyouentera building. There must be other things that one might recognize. Paperweights and doorstoppers?
Seen large radial engine pistons as ashtrays
Imagine being the captain of the new jersey after getting out of combat, and you retire to your office to file some paperwork about what the hell had just happened, and you open the door to see a nice pile of spent 5 inch shells all over your desk and your floor.
RHIP, some poor seaman will be assigned that duty.
Modern diesel locomotives have a small toilet for the crew down in the nose. The engineer and conductor are sitting above and behind this little toilet area. I'll leave you to imagine how that can cause issues with crew comfort when operating a train. (if there are multiple locomotives on a train, its not uncommon for a crewmember to walk to one of the unoccupied engines to do their business)
Do you know if there were efforts made to ship empty powder cans or empty shell casings back for recycling or reuse? Granted, that's certainly not going to be a priority in combat but it's a lot of brass and aluminum to just be throwing over the side in light of wartime shortages.
They tried to save them where practical. Naturally, if conditions necessitated it, they would just dump that shit overboard. But still, that much brass isn't cheap. I have seen pictures of barges and stuff alongside warships taking the spent brass off. I also read somewhere that back in the old days, warships would often use spent brass as a commodity in foreign ports.
On the frigate I was on we just tossed the shell casings and powder cans overboard. But then we only had 1 5inch gun.
I'd vote for putting one over the "hot seat" 🙂
I suppose you only install the canvas chutes for practice
I mean the living accomodations on older submarines comes to mind. You had sailors literally sleeping in the torpedo batteries when the boat wasn't at action stations.
Older submarines? Its still done in todays submarines.
@@LinenAssociate So still apply to all US submarines at Least? even the newest Submarines? ( Probably so- I just do not directly know such).- Tops my list of top of my list of functionality vs habitability.
@@LinenAssociate True, true. It's just I was thinking of the era in which the Iowa sisters were designed and built. Modern submarines are spacious, but only relative to older boats. They're still hella' cramped overall.
After the fight what did they do with the cans? I know they were not left on the captain desk? Were they thrown over board are saved to be reused ans where were they stored until reuse?
Have I got this right?
The decanning scuttles in the powder room are for the cans that contain the charges (which are in brass containers). But the brass containers go to the turrets and then there are other scuttles for them there? And it's scuttles like those that the practice loader emulates?
So how do the scuttles in the turrets work?
Ryan, you've done ammo handling and storage for the 16 and 5 inch guns, but have you done it for the 20 and 40mm AA guns the ship had in WW2? Not sure if going over that would be worth a video, though (Or maybe you answered it and I missed that video).
On the “canvas in the shower” question: I see a bar for a shower curtain - could they have just used the shower curtain itself (assuming there was one of course)? Seems like it might be sturdy enough.
What happens to those spent cans? Do they get refilled?
I feel a powerful urge to dump a bucket of cold water down the pipe into the shower, and I'm not even stuck on the ship. I can't imagine it not happening frequently.
Could the canvas chute have pulled double duty as the shower curtain?
Did they store the used cans to return to the service squadron, or deep six them?
The brass cartridge cases you pull out of the cans, I assume they just end up on the floor of the gunhouse and get thrown out onto the deck when people start tripping over them and/or it's safe-ish to open the door?
On the land side, a lot of WWII/Cold War-era tanks had "pistol ports" in the side/rear of the turret -- yeah, those were mostly so they could bring ammo in without having to lift it up to the hatch and back down into the hull, and also for throwing the brass out if they were shooting a lot. Modern tanks, at least NATO ones, use ammo with a combustible case that burns up on firing and the gun just spits out the metal case head that held the primer,much easier to deal with the waste.
When the gun fires the case extractor sends the brass out a chute on the back of the turret.
If these round objects go in the square hole I'm gonna be so mad....
Mount 55 would be the 3rd one back on the starboard side. Not the after most...that mount is number 59.
IIRC they changed the 5 in mount designation after installing the tomahawk launchers and removing four of the 5 in turrets so the former MT 59 became MT 55. I think Ryan mentioned this in an earlier video, not sure what it was though.
Do you know why Navy ships today switched to single barrel 5 inch guns?
Well I have to get a new coffee cup from somewhere
I remember watching a documentary about the Falklands war and before they went into battle the sailors threw anything overboard that could get in the way. Like they threw a bike and golf clubs into the sea. why they had them in the first place I don't know. War ships are for war and anything that could impede that has to go.
2:54 I'm thinking traditional Japanese Toilet.
3:20 ,, my worst fears realized. . . . .
Hopefully a Battleship crewman will post about this but I remember nearly everything had a 'Primary' and a 'Secondary'. Is it possible that those chutes have a Primary one and (like the one to the shower) being a Secondary? The Secondary only being used if necessary in actual combat...
Ya'll Take care, John
Thats very interesting... that could very well be, but remember, that's a twin mount above, so one scuttle per gun... Every three seconds at max RoF!
@@WhiteWolf65 You may be right.
If they were firing at that rate other than for a very brief period, they would probably need both chutes. If they were though, it would most likely be in actual fighting and, at that point, 'secondary' considerations are out the window.
I do wish a Double 5 turret crewman would chime in here. The Fast Frigate I was on had a single 5 inch mount and ASROCs. I didn't work in the turret, either. That single 5 could rip through some shells though! Ya'll Take Care, John
Seems strange that the scuttles would be positioned over piping where it seems like eventually damage will occur. Those shower fixtures or water pipes could easily get busted off by falling/shifting powder cans once they start sending dozens or hundreds of them down the scuttles. Maybe the damage was deemed to be acceptable given battle conditions but typically designers don't lay things out such that damage to other ship's systems is inevitable.
Potable water systems are secured and isolation valves closed during general quarters. They can be partly turned back on for long duration GQ events, to enable sailors to get some drinking water and get rid of used drinking water, and to allow the galley to make sandwiches for crew to eat at their GQ station.
I could see the empty cans wrecking the shower controls or shower heads. I figured they would be thrown overboard a lot sooner.
Hard to throw something overboard when you're inside a heavily armored handling room.
Are those 5 inch powder cans made out of aluminum?
i think it would be quite the achievement if they were able to have scuttles in the kitchen
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So after the can lands on the Captains desk where do they go? I don't think they just stack them in the corner, the room would be full in no time.
So, where do the practice scuttles go?
My uncle was a 5 inch "shell striker" on the Alabama. Would that be the description of one who "strikes" the shells? If so where would his station have been? Thanks
Empty caseman comes to mind. Strikes cases to a chute out of the gun mount.
but where did they go once they filled the shower/captain's office/etc? Sustained fire is going to fill those spaces pretty quickly.
Since tha last bit was on deck why not just toss the empty casing overboard?
Youre definitely going to want something to keep those cans from hitting the terrazzo deck in that shower. That stuff would shatter eventually and now you have to chip up all of it to fix that deck.
Well an obvious prank would be to dump an shell casing of ice cold water down on the guy using the shower.