DID RAF SIMONS DESTROY PRADA? Prada SS22 Review / tubavalon
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- Two masterminds of the fashion world collaborated. The first ever IRL show of Raf Simons and Miuccia Prada shown simultaneously in Milano and Shanghai was...interesting. Here some thoughts about it.
P.S. By a huuge Miuccia Fan.
P.P.S. By also a Raf fan, with only liking Raf when designing for other houses.
What did you think?
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Raf Simons the brand is not (or not only) about streetwear. It’s more about avant-garde and more importantly about art, complex concepts and interesting metaphors that really mean something, as well as his allusions to another pieces of art.
To me, it’s a mix between Rei Kawakubo (art wise) and Margiela (design language wise) but with a focus on the wearability.
So yes, some of the pieces can be used and seen as streetwear wisual wise, but in terms of the meaning behind them and together with many other Raf’s pieces it’s more avant-garde although he’s doing bottom-up design.
As for his work for Prada, I can only see his design language applied to some Prada designs, but I’m missing his art work and hidden meanings and allusions behind the clothes
You will always find many flaws in a Prada collection as Miuccia is always changing things until the last minute, for the 2009 Spring collection they painted fish on the clothes an hour before the show, the paint was still wet when the models walked the runway.
Miuccia inherited her grandfather's business, and it shows. How are you going to dress other people when you can't even dress yourself?
@@notverynotoriousg5674 Lol, you're right.
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from my understanding, Raf Simons work is not 'young and naive', his roots are cemented in punk and techno, industrial references… if you do a deep dive in the Prada archives you will understand these last collections are a huge nod in the chic antifashion that Prada was very well known for in the late 90's - early 00's. About repetition, Prada always shows subtle variations of the same garment in a runway…
The blandness of this collection pales in comparison to the minimalistic modernism that Prada embodied during this era. This is nothing but very commercial and banal garments with old ideas thrown in from Raf’s Dior and CK days. Nothing new about it and does not push the fashion conversation forward. But I agree about Prada repeating looks in the runway, although not to this degree. It’s just so lazy.
Miuccia was doing great I don’t understand why she had to bring someone else in. Also, if necessary, I always thought Marc Jacobs made more sense 🙈 they’re friends, he did great at LV, their style seems more similar and sometimes I feel like he was kinda applying for the job 😂
Marc Jacobs is the only other person that understands the ugliness of Prada. He’s my favorite. The show was nice it just wasn’t Prada at all. They might be going on a new direction being that his fist collection with Prada was similar to this one. Less prints and more minimal.
I guess in terms of collaborations, brands tend to choose contradictionary designers to accelerate their audience and the potential new customers. That’s at the end the reason, why they even pick another designer I guess 🤷🏻♀️
I think Marc is more interested in designing his face than clothes nowadays
I said the same thing! Marc Jacobs would have been great for Prada.
Thought I was the only one prada has started to lose its spark since raf joined
prada has always been a bit more.. iffy on the spring/summer collections. This one reminds me of Prada SS03 in many ways, and that one was also considered a flop (yeah i'm old i remember the reviews when they came out). Usually Prada's collections that aren't immediately well received are better understood a few years later.
Hi Tuba. I was one of those who loved it, it actually has been my favorite show of the whole month - waiting for Paris to start right now. I think that what I love the most about this collection is the cohesion of visions. I agree with you, it's not a disruptive and anarchic collection, but I appreciate the 50/50 trade between Raf and Mrs. Prada.
Loved the yellow ill-fitting dress, it brought that "ugliness" element that is very Prada. I also agree with the sweater - that felt forced, as if they were filling a gap. Adored the shoes and the subliminal logos.
A great summary, Tuba. Thanks for sharing! Would love to hear your thoughts about Rodarte too. Cheers.
Would love to hear Rodarte or Jil Sander too!
Totally get your point, it is true though, that it is showing in its core the same values at both brands, the passion for uglyness. Maybe they will work on that a bit more in the upcoming shows
I did a live review at showstudio for Jil Sander (still online), but planning to do one for yt as well!
same
after sitting on it for a day here’s what I think: there were a fair number of pieces that will probably sell well, but overall it was just an underwhelming collection (especially given the amazing potential in the theme); no variety in skirts, tops, or in anything else really, like you said, very repetitive. There were boring leather jackets and plain blazers, and those weird trains look very “fashion student”-y trying to be ‘unique’ but it just falls flat. However the skirts in looks 31 & 38 were the smartest takes on the mini (mini in front half and long in back half) and I did enjoy those column dresses with the open backs
i guess we need to wait for another collection to make up a clear mind about this collab. but it really was a lot of reduction to nothing too special
Thx Tuba you brighten my day with your videos, haven't even watched it yet☺️
thank youuuu Mandarine haha 😇
Thank god we still have Miu Miu
haha miumiu and rhinestones foreverrrr
@G. T. no.
loved this haha
I can't imagine the anxiety between Miuccia and Raf from beginning to end in that entire collection through end of show.
One thing I'm pretty sure about is Prada is always ahead of its time. If high fashion is one step ahead of everything to set trends, Prada is like three steps ahead of high fashion. I would never think that Saint Laurent or Dior would create clothes that share many things in common with Prada, but this season I'm seeing this. There's also something superior in Prada's concept of femininity. So maybe what Prada did with this collection could one day be more popular and then we could understand why it had been so in the first place?
I think the corset "bones" are supposed to make the dresses adjustable from the inside. They are all connected to the belt which is not visible from the front to create a smooth REDUCED appearance, but from behind everything is revealed together with the naked back and even a peek of the underwear showing this is an intended SEDUCTION. This is actually a very cool idea that not every designer can come up with. Maybe the execution is the problem though because it feels like Prada and Raf struggled a little bit to convey the message but they could not find a satisfactory way.
it’s true that Prada always dared to be more future forward than the other classical Couture houses, who always want to create an hommage to their history somehow and turn into restricted designs. That’s why I love Prada. I also think this collection might be something we will wear eventually and will again influence other brands, but at the end I really look at the execution. How do I wear it? What is the difference to the things we already own? I guess they should have talked more about the idea, to make it more understandable at least. Still can’t wait for the next show!
You are the TRUEST.
Why do we need fashion voices if they are not going to be honest. Your honesty and knowledge is on point. Prada does Prada perfectly without any outside help. Raf is Genius designing Raf. Why did the collaborate anyway? This collection look like an afterthoughts. The same skirt on every other model in a different color shown twice. Overkill. Milan/Shanghai great concept. Although I really liked Raf's designs at Calvin. It didn't work, it was to fashion forward for Calvin. He came on and changed everything. That would've been a perfect line for Raf himself. What's really happening with fashion??? Thank you for expressing your thoughts. Stay true. 🏆
Raf being too progressive for CK 205W39NYC is so true and personally I loved his designs there, next to his time at Jil, the most. Just saw his recent Raf collection and it was good! Actually surprised about that.
@@tubaavalon your funny, but knowledgeable and honest. Fashion writers/bloggers etc are scared to be honest. A few of you guys Bliss Foster/Fashion Roadman and Luke at Haute le Mode are the Jewels with the Honest info. Be well.E
he absolutely didnt. he made prada a more interesting version of what it already was, newthinking minimalism.
as a raf stan i’ll have to take a lil bit of a back seat
where are you from ?(:
I hope miuccia is still putting her ideas in because if I was Raf id know my place to not be so dominant towards a fashion icon like miuccia Prada
Great analysis. I wonder if this collection was very scaled down, in regards to disruptiveness, due to the current climate. It might have even been a strategic decision, being that the brand has seen so much success in their accessories and footwear branch and in clothing, people are looking more at their more easy to style basic pieces.
You had me at the intro music
D-Moll it is
100% agree. RS is not adding anything - only muting down the vibe. I loved RS when he was with Jil Sanders but I haven't liked him since. He is so literal.
literal is a good word to describe.
I feel like what you hear is what you get Raf Simons is going to Prada….. the collections speak that Raf Simons is at Prada
In the beginning I was really against this appointment. However It's been very mixed as FW21 I think is elite and as good as it gets but collections like SS21 woman's in part was pretty horrible. This current SS22 season pretty much only highlighted coats for me which seems to be an ongoing theme in my eyes.
FW22 I expect big things!!
I’ve moved on from this brand. At these prices, these garments have to mean more than a quick and shameless Chinese market cash grab.
@@rm6700 Yes the pricing is out of hand I agree but I personally think its doing better work then its competitors
I am not ready for biker jackets
thanks for joining the team!
They could have brought back Lawrence Steele he worked at Prada before.
I agree with you, Tuba.
I think they both always experimenting each season, like they don't have a solid fondation to start each season. So it results such unfirm ideas and not so many pieces. But I still find them interesting and I agree that the man collection is better too.
I feel like changing the image of womanhood or femininity doesn't have to be the opposite, like a woman dressing up as a man (like suits, armor, etc). I think that's how almost everyone would think of, but with this collection, I think they're opposing that idea. It's contradictory but it is what's interesting about it. Although, I agree that I didn't particularly like the repetitiveness of this collection.
i think you could see raf and prada separately on the looks so i dont think its a great mix buuuuuuuuuut im really excited to see more of them!!
Exactly, let’s see what is going to come 🙏
This collection is burned into my brain and my iCloud Library-- I did not even know it was Raf, I am sorry Tuba but I do like it a lot from a menswear/non-gendered perspective.
The entire time I was watching the show, I was imagining the horror you must have been feeling as well, lol
hahaha, i was really like, okay now this will be THE look! Ok, then the next one, ok what?
I do not often equate "pink taffeta miniskirt" with sophisticated fashion; is it just me?
Completly agreed!
I love your thoughts and expectations of R. S..💋
miuccia liked with ads and designs before ,looks like they just wanted to Take in some trends.
I love Miuccia Prada
I think it's still early to say that he's ruining the brand given the strength of the men's collection. In general, I like the women's collection but yes, there were a number of elements that didn't work, in my opinion. You were right to say there were only about 2-3 looks. The mini skirt with fabric hanging from the back looked like when you get toilet paper stuck in your skirt. Some looks were truly horrendous. But as a collection, I did enjoy it.
He did it again, i don’t know why everyone is so surprised.
just saw his own collection today, it was nice though. What is happening here?
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hi，我英语不太好，或许可以用翻译。RAF在本个系列中也没有达到我的预期。博主在中间一段提到了上海，并且博主认为这仅仅是为了生意，我觉得这样的理解或许是有偏差的，因为在上海，有很良好的时尚社群，这是包容且发展的，而且中国的时尚发展也在突飞猛进，我认为prada想和中国本土的社群对话，也希望获得我们在专业上的认可，而非仅仅是一场传播或者生意～建议博主可以关注中国的本土设计师品牌，尽管我们现在还是出于混乱状态，但有一些新品牌也展现出了创造性的时尚能力～
I can probably sense what you wanna say here but I doubt the part of “intention to talk to the local community and get professional recognition”. After all it was just a runway show instead of an art exhibition in a museum. To me there is no difference between the nature of this Prada show and the previous Louis Vuitton show in China - mainly just for business campaigns. I have to say that I personally dislike the LV show but the quality of the show or design never affected their sales in China.
@@norrischen1458 Sorry, my English is not good, so I reply with a translator. I agree that Lv's show in China is for business, and I also believe that neither the design nor the show will affect its sales in China. I think the keyword "community" mentioned by Prada is an introduction. Combined with its offline activities every quarter, it has a special understanding of the "community" part in China. Therefore, I think he also hopes to be recognized by Chinese fashion practitioners, rather than just a marketing topic event, except for simple business activities. Maybe I felt some fashion progress promoted by business from the perspective of China, some subtle feelings.
Tuba I have an inteview with Prada Sydney Store in 2 hours and you're my revision thank you!!!
hshaha I hope it helped!
anyone who thinks Simon's is an improvement doesn't know shit about the brilliance of Prada
I hate raf simons. He didn’t get the spirit of Prada and completely make this brand cheap. Prada was the lead and has its own stand in fashion in the past. Now it seems just following the stupidity
this collection could have been an e-mail
my fav comment
Miss P has said EXPLICITLY in many interviews that she's tierd (even said "Basta") of y'all saying Raf "ruined" the brand, no he didn't he is a genious and you must question why did she bring him¿ of ALL the designers. Please don't touch my Raf
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never a miss by my boy ❤️
He did destroy Dior, and then Calvin Klein, so I guess he’s right on track with Prada!
He destroyed Calvin Klein???
@@febatista2932 mans hit their head. They act up for attention the best thing is to just not acknowledge them😂
@@febatista2932 yes
I feel that Raf Simmons never sticks to the esthetics of the house he is designing for.
@@febatista2932Yes, he did, Love.
Awful collection, I wonder if the best stylist still can make the best out of this looks, because on rough, they are so Not appealing.
Wow... thats sad
also, I mean the skirts with the extra six yards of fabric trailing off of it...a useless Raf contribution. he is just better off on his own and so is she.
He definitely destroyed Calvin Klein. Those clothes were hideous.
Calvin Klein RTW was not even a thing before him
@@purpleswag2313 Yes it was. Do your research.
@@increasemathers4042 it sucked
@@purpleswag2313 Yes it did. I was so angry because Calvin Klein make the most beautiful minimalist collections back in the day. As well as having the famous models, Christy, Naomi, Linda, etc.
Sooooorry. But CK by Raf was a hit. No discussions 😆
Pessimist!!!!