The Largest Rocket Never Launched
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- When the Saturn V first launched in 1967 it was the largest and most powerful rocket ever made. But a rocket designed years before the Saturn V would have shattered the scale of rocket design. This video looks at the enormous 60’s rocket concept known as the Sea Dragon. It also looks at it’s interesting design and why it was ultimately never built.
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Credits:
Written by: Ryan Saunders & Ewan Cunningham ( / ewan_cee )
Edited by: Ewan Cunningham
Animated by: Thomas Bracke ( / @flatlife )
Narrated by: Beau Stucki - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Thats the first time i have ever heard the F1 being referred to as "smaller engines"
f1 engines are small. They are generally very compact turbocharged or supercharged 6 cylinders.
@@voidlight6006 In the context of this video, F1 is not referring to Formula One, but instead to a rocket engine.
@@KnightRanger38 r/woooosh
@@voidlight6006 it's about the Rocketdyne F-1 engines. Not the Formula 1 racecar engines
I actually bursted out laughing hearing it in the video.
Was a pleasure to work with you for the animations! Very interesting video!
Awesome work!
@@FirstPassOfficial Thanks!
Sea dragon can cook enough fish for the aircraft carrier nearby
2:13 I recognize those engine particles and that water... that’s not earth! It’s Kerbin!
YESS!!! YOU GET IT!!
Nope I used RSS so it's Earth ;)
xDarkMonkeyz / Ksp-Movie doesn’t RSS come with RSSVE anyway, so the ocean would look different? The plumes would definitely look different because of RealPlume, and either way the engines looked like they started off at full power, which doesn’t happen in RSS
@@spacekgb I'm the one who filmed it.
The engines started under the ocean so the delay was way before this view.
No RSSVE isn't bound to RSS.
I used real plume, and other mods, I can't really remember exactly.
Ps : And I think the Sea Dragon had his own plume .
It's earth with unrealism overhaul
As an engineer, I could make an even larger one that will *never* launch
Nothing wrong with exploding things _for science!_
As a not engineer I can also make a bigger one that will never launch
As a not yet engineer, I could probably design a bigass dumb rocket that could lift a fucking city, but Goodluck trying to build it, and imagine if someone build it, and than the thing fucking explodes...
I could draw a rocket bigger than anyone ever has but it will never be built or launch
@@t-14theleopard68 T14 > Abrams m1a2, Leopard 2a7v, t90ms, K2 bp
Sea Dragon: One big engine
Saturn V: 5 relatively small engines
Starship: *37 Engines*
Remember, Less engines, better, N1, SLS's delay, Saturn V problems proove it
@@_mikolaj_ we'll see what will happen with the Raptor engine. But it's SpaceX, they know what they're doing.
@The Infidel Or 42 backup engines in case of failure.
@@_mikolaj_ on giant engine instead of 4 smaller engines (SLS for exemple) is not better,
And Starship wants to land on multiple celestial bodies, multiple engines is the best way to do it.
Ur mom: *♾ Engines*
If the sea dragon was real welp, rip fish
I see you beat me to this comment. Fried sushi tonight...
There are plenty of areas of the ocean devoid of sealife. Plus underwater volcanic eruptions happen often and fish still exist.
Anon B more like burned sushi
@@user-uy1rg8td1v It would be small compared to an underwater volcano or a nuclear test.
rip all the whales and dolphins that use echolocation that will go deaf or just die
I'm old enough to remember watching several Saturn V launches as a kid. I was always impressed with how big they were. I wasn't aware who much I had under-estimated how massive they truly were until I decades later I was on a business trip to Huston and killed a weekend day at the Johnson Space Flight Center, and walked around the last remaining Saturn V. Even laying on its side in a shed it blew my mind away.
Coulda swore the last one was at Huntsville? They have two I believe, maybe they’re both models
da biggest roket
@@brakefast3930 there's also one at ksc in florida. IIRC they're all real rockets that were built before the cancellation of the apollo program
@@brakefast3930 I believe there's a model at Kennedy Space Center.
But when I went to the visitor complex, they have a Saturn 1B laying flat on the ground and an F1 engine in the rocket garden. They're both absolutely massive. And the Saturn V dwarfs the 1B.
The F1 engine is so much larger than you first think too. Knowing how large it is isn't the same as seeing one. It's surreal how large these rockets are
It's quite hard to wrap my head around how large it was.
You mean would’ve been!😔
True
it hit home to me when I read they would have needed a nuclear powered aircraft carrier as a tugboat to get it to the launch site...
This will help
-go to closest skyscraper
-get close to it
-it’s bigger than that
*wasn’t
"Imagine having no backup if one engine fail"
This meme were made by multiple engine gang
"imagine needing so much money on just the engines"
This meme was made by the single engine gang
''Imagine using engines at all''
This meme was made by caveman gang
Problem is that if an engine fails the whole balance of the rocket would be off
@@stevess7777 imagine even moving by yourself
this meme was made by the dead people gang
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There’s always a “but”
nothing someone says before word "but" really counts
benjen stark
Agree
@@zaidahmed5464 and then benjen use a "but"
Or butt
Sea Dragon got resurrected and launched in the Sci-Fi series For all Mankind, season 2.
Starship is now 120 meters tall!
Lőrinc Soroncz-Szabó yay
Lőrinc Soroncz-Szabó Where did you get this information from?
Starship (50 meters )+
Super heavy heavy( 70 meters)
=Bfr (120 meters)
:DD
Francesco Molteni Sounds insane! Can’t wait to see it fly.
@@noadolic9653 me too
For a more modern depiction of the Sea Dragon, it appeared at the end of "For All Mankind", an alt-history show where the Soviets beat America to the moon and the space race kept going. The reveal is pretty damn epic (th-cam.com/video/SRMDcC0QvFQ/w-d-xo.html)
Loved that show. For anyone wondering it's only available on Apple TV+
I'm so glad someone talked about FAM
New episode is coming out so they are starting it up again if anyone is wondering
Happy to see this comment. FAM is fantastic.
@@milicijaofficer6611 That makes me sad, I can't watch it without paying for Apple TV +/
The concept is still viable, just at a smaller scale.
biggest problem of sea dragon nowaday is the engine bell...JUST LOOK AT IT ! this thing is absolutly massive, even the enormous F1 engine of the saturn V look tiny in comparison.
I think it’s the large scale that made the Sea Dragon theoretically cheaper.
Square-cube law says otherwise. You can't simply scale up or down a rocket, it takes some radical redesign.
Interesting
@@piranha031091 that's the whole point of sea dragon
Basically build it big and dumb in a way a small rocket couldn't.
And now we can see this at the end of the first season, and hopefully in the whole of the second season of For All Mankind.
I did enjoy for all mankind, but there were a few things that were totally irrelevant to the plot and other things that made you question why did they even bother putting that in the series, I do wish it was more historically accurate even tho it is an alternative history piece, but more historically based, like the movie midway was
@@azpatriot7937 But in that case there would be no women, no moon base, no continued space exploration. The second season has a lot to offer to show what could have happened,
Anyone gonna be watching season 2 as it starts this Friday
what a mess. Tons of steamed and fried fish and no one invited.
Apple TV production For all Mankind, includes Sea Dragon in series one, episode 10, closing scene after the credits.
And it's carrying plutonium
*1980s music Intensifies*
lf you look closely at the start of the senate hearing with Wernher von Braun in episode 2, he mentions the Sea Dragon while holding a model of the rocket.
@@blackasp001 I noticed that, too. Although it would have made more sense for him to be holding a model of the Nova rocket. The Nova was supposed to be the younger sibling and successor to the Saturn V.
If rockets were athletes Saturn V would be a basketball player, the Nova would be a quarterback and the Sea Dragon would be a Scottish guy in the Caber Toss (Throwing big ass logs)
Shame it is on apple tv.
Absolute unit of a rocket!
he *c h o n k*
Haha I'm the 69th like
I mean on wrong spark and you got a bomb. Goes for dps and can't tank.
Unfortunately the closest we’ll ever get to seeing the Sea Dragon fly, will be in the second season of For All Mankind.
@Shadow Hyperion Yeah your right Starship will be the closest, but I was meaning more from the ocean launch aspect.
@@Zod_JB There was an ocean launch company, they never got off the ground. Joking, but I think they did launch a few times from a barge
A massive Mars-capable rocket with simplified propulsion systems and reusable stages? Looks like we found the OG Starship boys!
2:10 That's ksp footage if I've ever seen it
HELL YAS!!!
Yep
Sea Dragon didn't flew because there was never a need to deliver so much payload into orbit, regular small rockets like Saturn V were capable of doing the required job.
You could have had a much bigger space station/ISS and bigger pace probes, space telescopes, Mars rovers, etc. at the same or cheaper price as smaller rockets/space shuttles as Sea Dragon was suppose to be cheap per launch due to its size and simplicity.
Or you could make it a ballistic missile put some big ass warheads in there and boom succses
@@andrewgraham6006 Yep imagine if they put a 500 ton nuke on it
Small rockets 😎
The only non lunar payload of Saturn V was Skylab which replaced the entire 3rd stage. Sea Dragon could have launched nearly all of the satellites ever launched by the Space Shuttle program in 1 launch. 3 total launches of the sea dragon would equal ALL the payload hauled to orbit in 30 years and 135 flights of the space shuttle program. I see Sea Dragon being brought back into development as we start to look more into building bases on the moon or mars.
I think there was an additional idea to build an artificial lagoon for it to launch from, so you wouldn't need to take it all the way out to sea.
I love the design, but the combustion instability would have been something else.
Thanks for not saying measurements in McDonalds per football field....
Why do you got to us like that? XD
@@americaniii734 what?
No ,sea dragon was possible considering nasa’s budget and logistics. But no Vietnam war was more important to 🇺🇸, which was a huge loss and jaw breaking defeat. Rather it had allocated that resources there had been multiple ISS, moon missions and even colonies on mars. Sea dragon was immensely capable. Unfortunate 😣
The 15m starship will equal the crazy aspirations of this imaginary rocket
I love youPrimal Space, you take huge concepts and simplify them. Keep up the great work!
this isn't just another regular payload, that thing's carrying plutonium
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What about comparison of the Seadragon and the Starship? You said in the video it's the closest thing we got and you even mentioned the stats, but I doubt most of the viewers remembered the stats of Seadragon to be able to compare it. This will now make me go and do the research myself as to how they compare, and I'd say this decreases the quality of the video, especially if this happened near the end as it leaves the bitter feeling of not getting the answer easily.
Sea Dragon: Has big engine
Elon: *Ya’ll hear somethin?*
It would never have worked (as described in the video). A single engine that large would be a nightmare as instability issues wouldn't be easily fixed.
But my main issue is the lack of fuel pumps. The higher the pressure you can generate in a rocket combustion chamber the better as this creates more thrust for a given amount of fuel. Pressures can be as high as 200 bar (3,000 psi), so the fuel pumps need to be able to deliver fuel at an even high pressure than this, otherwise it won't flow. So to force fuel out without using pumps, the fuel tanks on Sea Dragon would need to be built to withstand these incredibly high pressures, and given the size of those tanks, they would be so heavy that it wouldn't fly.
we could have been to mars in the 70s if this was a thing
Not likely probably closer to the mid 80s early 90s and that would be a flyby mission. Keep in mind the best way to get to Mars safely is by establishing a large amount of space infrastructure. We'd probably start with a moon base first along with Skylab. NASA would want to know the effects of living in low G and 0g plus effective countermeasures before sending an interplanetary mission. However I do see the use of the sea dragon being used to send larger orbiters and Rovers to the other planets. The Department of Defense would probably also use it for launching a very large groups of spy satellites. Also keep in mind the Soviet Union was still probably collapse so we likely see the same transition from space being extension the US vs. USSR to a more Cooperative International venture. You could see in the first International Mars mission in the early 2000s.
@@dragoninthewest1 Wrong you know why
Elon Musk 😎
They should as least make some scale down versions to verify the theory and engineering possibilities.
In scale tests, the F1 worked fine. And then it didn't. 😪
Many of the possible problems are due to size, you might never see them emerge on a smaller scale replica.
Unfortunety sea dragons strength is its size square cube law less tank per unit fuel and convinence of lunching a space station at once no complex mission
It's been a real privilege to contribute (a bit) to this video . Thank you for the opportunity.
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This is amazing! I actually wondered how the engine would preform underwater, and this answered it!
Shame they never built this
Only in a Seadragon video could the Rockedine F1 engine be referred to as "smaller".
Saturn V thanks to the German Designer. Van Braun
Some day we may see the Sea Dragon! (says my wishful thinking). It's doubtful, but who knows, maybe starship will be just good enough to serve its purpose but there will turn out to be a much larger demant for LEO cargo capacity. I will dream for that day to come.
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Hehehe🤗🤗
I would like to note that the Orion Project created several rockets larger than the Sea Dragon
Imagine if a small country, developed SEA DRAGON!
NASA :....... I wish if i had built that earlier
USA :........ Why i went at war with countries, instead of paying attention to NASA,......
The country to develop SEA DRAGON : ( music in background) so this is the sea dragon, good! Now we can reach to moon,.
CHINA : I WILL COPY THAT THING!! ( MAKES RED DRAGON) ( but it is way far weak)
WHOLE WORLD EXCEPT THAT COUNTRY :........
0:20
Well... The story is a little more complicated then that.
About "largest":
If its by hight then *yes* , but there were several rockets that were wider like the N1, space shuttle and buran-energia.
About "most powerful":
If its payload to LEO you are talking about then *yes* , but if you mean thrust (at lift of) then both N1 and buran-energia had more.
And both of these actually flew, one was even successful. I don't blame them for failure, it's really hard to precisely control 30 engines just using analog equipment.
Seadragon have 80 million pounds of thrust
Did the N1 and Energia have more
2nd biggest. Boeing's LMLV could put 4 times the payload into orbit that Sea Dragon could.
SeaDragon could of made Rods from God a real weapon but it should still be looked at for launching water, fuel and fully built reactors to orbit even if you send the reactive mass up on a more reliable rocket. Would you rather have toxic or heavy loads fail near land or out in the middle of the ocean?
Imagine how much sea life would have been killed or at the very least deafened from the rocket
Not much
Yep. Completely disregards all sea life.
Why not lauch it in a sea/ocean that have not much aquatic life?
Complex and unreliable fuel pumps? Now I know you don't know what you're talkin about. The turbo pumps on Rocket engines that feed the combustion chambers are completely reliable. Seem's you need to go back to the drawing board, maybe do yourself a little favor and do a little more research.
I think the N1 was heavier, taller and definitely more powerful when it launched.
So much more powerful, in fact, that it exploded all 4 times in less than a minute after those launches.
Soviets really rushed that rocket so the first few models had major flaws, and when it almost finally flew they cancelled the program. If they could take their time, they'd use fewer stronger engines which were in development, and would only have lost 1 or 2 vehicles during testing.
I could be wrong, but I think the N1 was less powerful than the Saturn V. It would not have been able to get as much 50% of payload to the Moon, and about 80% of the Saturn V's payload to Earth orbit.
It would've been awesome to see the Sea Dragon doing a roll program slightly after liftoff.
Still not the largest or most capable rocket ever designed. Onto largest by an official NASA team. Russia and Convair had far crazier and capable designs.
I wonder how big a "sea life dead zone" launching one of these would have created? Since water doesn't appreciably "compress" I think the shock wave throughout the ocean from launching this would be pretty devastating. Anyone have a clue what their studies said regarding this? (I realize there are natural phenomena such as undersea volcano that may be comparable...I'm just curious as to what they figured this monster of a launch engine would do!)
@@mattcrosby2310 The "sea life dead zone" you refer to is pretty much due to the energy needs of the organisms. Sunlight becomes more diffuse the deeper you go, so you don't get as much new energy coming into the system (not counting deep undersea vents, which are a whole different thing!) in a vast majority of the ocean depths. But that's just a case of various zones of the oceans being more or less hospitable for life. What I was wondering was what a launch like this would do as far as killing the life in the given area of a launch. That massive blast would create one helluva pressure wave considering how little water compresses! Like someone using dynamite to kill fish! 😊
Think about the Aquatic life !!!!!
🐠🐟🐬🐋🐳🐡🦈🐙🦠
All rockets: [launches to space]
Scientists: Good job. But, we need to see how Sea Dragon launches in drawing boards before we launch it.
Sea Dragon: Why am I always here... Not to leave these drawing boards... I wanna... Be launched...
Starship is now the largest rocket in 2022
something that loud underwater would have to have some effect on native sea life...and not a positive one either...
What about volcanic eruption???
The Pacific Ocean is effectively a giant desert devoid of life.
SEA DRAGON anyone for cooked sea fish 🚀
*Proven again, war serves no purpose to humanity.*
wut . U think sea dragon could be successful ? Hell no
So basically a 1960s Starship + Super Heavy - Grandma I still love you
If we went back and told them that in the year 2020, we still haven't built a rocket more powerful than the Saturn V, would they have continued to pursue these crazy rocket concepts?
Maybe, or we could get them to build the C8 and Sea Dragon(give them the designs and other necessary tech) in the 50's by scaring them into thinking that the Soviets would put ICBMs on the Moon.
2:09 1:33that is not earth that is kerbin we have a modded engine that can also look like a burger in this game or we can make that monstrosity 1:32
3:14 those bastard killed my grandgrandpa
What is your grandpas 👴 name
3:44 that air wave around the rocket, spectacular to watch.
Rocket launches*
people: YEAHH!!!!
fish:AHHHHHH!!!!
Lol
LMAO
Is no one else gonna point out the shape and style of Sea Dragon and Starship...
...these are cocks.
We need this to be built, and with new technology.
Humanity will see something like this used when we will need to send a lot of heavy stuff to the orbit
One small detail not explained in the video, but that explain why starship is compable to the sea dragon.
All our currents rocket and most rocket in history are made of a component : carbon fiber, a really lightweight and strong material, but quite brittler.
Sea dragon and startship use the same material : stainless steel (even though it's a different type of steel between the 2)
Does that mean if I get a huge electro magnet I can yoink my self a rocket? cool..
Sea Dragon uses Aluminum not Stainless steel
@@gerardanderson9665 where did yo ugot this weird idea?
the sea dragon is a rocket from the 60's, the idea was to make a dumb overkill "primitive" craft where economy of scales would offset the inneficiency.
Steel was definitively a no-brainer at this era for this idea.
Sea Dragon will become a reality one day once the hunger for lifting bigger things, even entire cities to orbit becomes a necessity
2:29 no no i dont think so underwater missiels were in world war 2
Tens of years after ww2 first atomic submarine was build
@Shawn Ocallahan and torpedoes are not rockets...
@Shawn Ocallahan try to read about the difference about a rocket and a torpedo...and pay attention to history....
4:01: Kerbal space Program
SLS will never be launched
The first SLS core to fly is complete and is only pending final testing before being sent to KSC for stacking this fall
Everything other than the core stage is ready to be stacked in the VAB
I see no way it won't fly at this point since literally all of the rocket has been built and most of it is ready to be stacked
@@brokensoap1717 sls was delayed to second half of 2021. now with corona virus outbreak sls will be delayed even more.
@@max_galingumas9409 SLS was recently rebaselined to NET April 18 2021 with a significant schedule margin included for potential troubleshooting during Green run
Coronavirus will likely end up delaying it a few months so Summer 2021 is rather likely and is the expected launch date internally at NASA
Still only a little over a year away
How do you turn a historical rocket video into a SpaceX ad... lol
Sea Dragon: Who are you?
Starship: I'm you, but better
Starship: And I don’t kill fish like you.
Not sure how exploding on the pad every time is a better design but ok.
Would kill _so many_ whales and dolphins by deafening them. Might be ok if launched from an enclosed atoll lagoon
The German V-2 Rocket was the first useful rocket an was launched from land, used during WW2. It was also the only rocket used during WW2. The polaris missile was not developed and deployed by the US Navy until 1959. The Germans were developing a towable V-2 missile launcher but it was never used.
A Sea Dragon-type rocket with a methane-powered first stage could transport the fuel needed to refuel Starship in orbit until LOX could be produced on the Moon. With the fuel capacity of Starship at around 1200 mt, a payload capacity close to Boeing´s Large Multipurpose Launch Vehicle (LMLV) would be needed. In the 1960s Boeing was still run by engineers and was a legitimate contractor. Go, Starship.
10 x the thrust of Saturn V = mind blown
Destroying all marine life within 10 miles
that 2nd stage is bonkers, well actually the whole thing is bonkers
Starship is now more than 121meters! And might even be longer due to the proposed starship v2s!
V3 150m long now😂
*Everybody Wants to Rule the World intensifies*
NASAs highest budget was two B2 bombers. Think about that.
Today our annual DoD budget is greater than the entire historic running grand total NASA cost.
~$650 bn to NASA in today's money, vs $680bn+ to the military.
It's not accurate to say that NASA was cut to fund the military or anything else.
NASA has never been more than a drop in the bucket to the military.
Saturn-V: YES
N1 and Sea dragon: No
Moon: Saturn-V is yes
r u here from the sea dragon short video
The fact that it can lift the entire ISS in one launch makes it clear why it never made it past the drawing board.
What? and prevent the need for 40+ Shuttle flights (@~$ 3/4 billion per) and all the jobs and votes in those districts?
5:22 is the best part lol
So the sea dragon was basically a fat starship that had no landing legs
At least it happened in for all mankind
I designed an even bigger rocket when i was in elementary.
your animation is amaizing!
-> we could have had sea dragon
-> we got the Vietnam war
this is the worst trade deal in history, maybe ever.
And that's why, I'll never forgive the Vietnamese!
When you accidentally add zeros to the nasa budget
Try not to use ksp as an example would you? Thank you.
2:30 What sea-launched rockets were used in WW2 ?
Idk germans i guess those guys were fucking crazy!
Inside the The rocket is dragon the name of the rocket the small one
First
The same principles with that is spacex building their rockets, either Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy or super heavy/starship:
Simplicity:
E.g. using a default Linux and standard computer components as their launch steering and control systems
Reusability:
The only rocket at the moment that is reusable
Cost savings:
Is coming with the first two points
0:12 haha thhat what she said