I always loved this scene but I was always pretty indifferent to Rudolf and Kyrie. Like most Umineko characters, they have depth but for being the true conspirators behind the Rokkenjima Massacre and pretty much the villains of the real world (Bern is the villain of the meta world), they lack in depth compared to Yasu. But then it hit me, that was the true meaning behind this scene. This scene was showing us how Ange wouldn’t like the truth. We were shown all these fantasy depictions of the massacre the whole novel, like how Ange was chasing “the witch” this whole time, only to find out that the truth isn’t this big grand event. It’s simply that Rudolf and Kyrie saw a chance to have all of the gold to themselves and they took it. They killed everyone on the island just because of greed. It’s the most realistic outcome yet it still fills us and Ange with grief. We expect another big mastermind behind everything (especially after Higurashi’s villain) and we get that with Yasu. But then when it’s revealed that Yasu never actually killed and that it was simply Kyrie seeing an opportunity and taking it, we just feel defeated. They don’t need some big elaborate backstory on why they massacred their whole family and the servants, they just simply wanted money. Rudolf’s line to George encompasses this perfectly. Idk if this was Ryukishi’s intention but it works so god damn well. In a VN filled with magic and elaborate locked room murder schemes, the truth being the most realistic option is truly horrifying.
Thats one of the strong points of this reveal In my perspective, after hours, days, weeks and months of misteries, clues, magic illusions, and loads of mindgames we reach the ep 7 tea party, and slowly realising that the events of the massacre are being slowly torn appart as if tearing to pieces the contents of the story in such brutal way that you wish what we are witnessing is not happening is a masterful move by ryukishi Its such a contrast to the higurashi mastermind where an individual with no real allies moves air land and sea to accomplish the promise of becoming a god and trascending into history, while here we have another face of humanity, its so simple and straightforward that lacks in complexity by far to the last mentioned, ruthless cold greed, rudolfs scene really brings that message to the surface to remind the readers for the last time These individuals were never really good people even before the massacre started
Willard said it, murders are not like in stories, they are not super elaborate and planned, most only happen because the right conditions occurred by accident.
Not to mention a certain version of Battler’s supposed role in the massacre. Ange would have a difficulty understanding how/why her big brother would do that. 😰
It's _really_ weird that she was even _allowed_ to be interrupted by Ange. 1) You (apparently) can't say a non-true statement in red 2) You (apparently) can get cut off halfway through a red statement So like, what if I got a friend to fire a blank from a gun so I'd flinch halfway through a statement and get cut off? *"'Ronald Raegan killed everyone on Rokkenjima', is a theory some people have"* Say that in red but get cut off right after 'Rokkenjima' and suddenly you're left with a red that isn't true at all. (Example red not mine, from a lawyer friend who is very good at overthinking this.)
If you're wondering why it's Ronald Reagan, the original example was "'Battler killed his entire family' is a theory some people had", but as I pointed out, that's _technically_ true because of Battler's Sin.
@@LadyFateIV It's _implied_ that's the truth. But think about it this way. The book of single truth is Eva's diary. Eva was unconscious for most of the incident. Conversations between Rudolph and Kyrie are pure speculation on her part. Episode 7 shows those scenes, so indeed, Bernkastel _had_ to add *"--isn't neccissarily so."* It'd be a lie otherwise. The scene where Kyrie brutalizes Jessica's dead body? Eva didn't see that either. So, while Kyrie is probably the culprit, I don't have to believe she really was that cruel. That's what it means to have love.
Spoiler for the manga of Twilight of the Golden Witch: Eva's Diary ( The Book of Single Truth) is revealed to be as BERNKASTEL presented. She just wanted to get ANGE hopes up, so she could taste more despair.
In Umineko world, it could be translated by the fact that they found all the gold from the witch, but they were instantly killed by the "culprit". Something like "purgatorio", a well-know metaphor that was constantly used throughout the episodes.
SUPER late but the title should be Yomotsu Hirasaka CORRUPTION. 黄泉 can be read as yomi but the kanji 津 in 黄泉津 makes it obvious it's a pun for yomotsu (津 is read tsu) 黄泉比良坂 (Original writing for yomotsu hirasaka) is a boundary between the dead and the living and 津 (read tsu) means harbor/port, so the title Yomotsu Hirasaka CORRUPTION (黄泉津比良坂CORRUPTION) here kinda means "Corruption (at) the harbor between life and death"
Bernkastel wasn't the GM of EP7, she herself said that, and she takes the gameboard at the ??? part where she says that this time she'll be the GM and that she will troll everyone more brutally then ever. To be fair she WAS the Reader so information was filtered through her. The whole scenario while true was probably way less cruel.
They couldn't have known it, every person is at the same time sheep and wolf, but the disguise only falls off when you're absolutelly alone. In the dark pits of the psyche, what scream is strong enough, if everyone pretends to be deaf? Don't be alone, don't be a prey anymore...
Beatrice defines 'people' as bodies in red. So Bernkastel stating that Battler died means Tohya couldn't have lived, because that contradicts the red truth.
@Ping0309 It was explained that there are red statements which apply to specific boardgames and ones that apply to the catbox as a whole, as well as ones that go beyond the catbox and apply to the real world. So no contradiction there.
That's the point of the Red Truth afterall. Not saying this is the truth but let's take the 6 in the Chapel in EP 2. If you think tricky you can get the 6 dead but only 5 1st Twilight victims by lets say thinking that Kinzos body may be kept in the Chapel.
Marcell Roth the constant mentions of "a sweet stench permeating throughout Kinzo's study at various points during EP1 make it clear that his corpse was left in the study.
Hm, I just noticed your response now, but you seem to have deleted it at some point. Still, what you said actually is just about the same way I feel about the whole thing. Bernkastel speaks in absolutes, but it's only so that she can cover the holes in her argument. I definitely appreciate that we weren't necessarily fed "the truth" and can decide the answer for ourselves even after the whole series is done. Higurashi was similar, I think. That's just Ryukishi07's talent.
@ Ephidel Late answers are the best XD You're right. Ep 7 tea party never happened like this. Or at least not in prime. The truth was different. And that was Ryukishi's main point: the red is put together to suggest a certain truth. But there is a truth that is far more fragile. This was the point of all the games - in ep 1 Natsuhi puts the letter on the table, in episode 2 Rosa is not the culprit, in ep 3 the culprit is not Eva, in ep 5 the culprit is not Natsuhi and in ep 7 the culprits aren't Rudolf and Kyrie! But they are ALL accomplices! Ryukishi through Featherine later even calls everyone who believed in Bern's truth "pigs who cannot read" and expresses how disappointed he feels. Bern can still say that the tea party is true. To understand why, you must know what the meta is.
+Infinity Stop I don't know how you can say that when the manga shows that episode 7 Tea party is indeed what happened in the catbox. Or maybe I don't understand your point ?
+Levi Arooma Yeah I was gonna say the same thing, maybe before the manga came out that may have been true but Ryu07 made the manga to tie up the loose ends and give an actual answer, maybe out of frustration with the fans, kinda disappointing really but even so I was under the impression that the episode 7 tea party is the truth, I even saw theories that make Rudolf and Kyrie the culprits throughout episodes 3-7.
Nooooo! XD I wont comment Infinitys stuff, but Episode 7 is NOT NOT NOT the truth!!! We have NOT been shown the solution, alright? The manga in episode 7 and 8 ties nothing up, it just continues doing something that all the other manga episodes did before too. It tells two stories at the same time, a magic one and one that is true. I keep spoiling this all over the place, and it gets kinda annoying, but I'll mention this again, because it's kind of not revealing too much but still enough to see you should have a big problem with Episode 7 tea party: Battler is rank 8, Maria 9, Natsuhi 10, and Ange??? appearantly disappeared. She should be rank 9, but she is not! So you can choose: either the ranking system is flawed or Ange doesn't exist like this, which in turn makes Episode 7 not the truth. It's actually both. The Kanon/Shannon/Yasu-story is mainly a magic interpretation of the truth, no matter how real it appears to be. Why do you think Bern is saying "Im going to throw this useless detective into the worst fragment" all the time? This already happened. We are in the worst fragment possible.
Yes it probably is. Is is shown twice in episode 8 that kyrie and Rudolph are the culprits, when Ange reads the book of one truth and when she meets Toya and Hachijo, and it's very likely that episode 7 tea party is what really happened. When you let the game play without a gamemaster setting up anything that's what you get, what really happened. Ryukishi said himself that the manga contains all the truths. And what are you even talking about with ranks, is it about the sitting places ? How is it relevant to anything ?
@alfred4king Well, you're right, and that's more or less what I was getting at with that comment. Some people go around thinking they've proven something just because the red seems to say it the way they want to interpret it, but they don't even realize that the red wasn't even used to properly confirm deaths.
They may not lie, but they can mislead you with the red by choosing their words carefully. It bothers me when I see people who just blindly accept what they read, as if they've completely missed the point of Umineko. Not to say you're one of them, I just mean it seems to happen a lot.
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“You thought the motive was trauma, abuse, and complex circumstances spanning years, but it was I, GREED!”
"You're so naive. People can kill... over money."
I do my best to not let this quote manifest itself in the form of abuse.
I always loved this scene but I was always pretty indifferent to Rudolf and Kyrie. Like most Umineko characters, they have depth but for being the true conspirators behind the Rokkenjima Massacre and pretty much the villains of the real world (Bern is the villain of the meta world), they lack in depth compared to Yasu.
But then it hit me, that was the true meaning behind this scene. This scene was showing us how Ange wouldn’t like the truth. We were shown all these fantasy depictions of the massacre the whole novel, like how Ange was chasing “the witch” this whole time, only to find out that the truth isn’t this big grand event. It’s simply that Rudolf and Kyrie saw a chance to have all of the gold to themselves and they took it. They killed everyone on the island just because of greed. It’s the most realistic outcome yet it still fills us and Ange with grief. We expect another big mastermind behind everything (especially after Higurashi’s villain) and we get that with Yasu. But then when it’s revealed that Yasu never actually killed and that it was simply Kyrie seeing an opportunity and taking it, we just feel defeated. They don’t need some big elaborate backstory on why they massacred their whole family and the servants, they just simply wanted money. Rudolf’s line to George encompasses this perfectly. Idk if this was Ryukishi’s intention but it works so god damn well. In a VN filled with magic and elaborate locked room murder schemes, the truth being the most realistic option is truly horrifying.
Thats one of the strong points of this reveal
In my perspective, after hours, days, weeks and months of misteries, clues, magic illusions, and loads of mindgames we reach the ep 7 tea party, and slowly realising that the events of the massacre are being slowly torn appart as if tearing to pieces the contents of the story in such brutal way that you wish what we are witnessing is not happening is a masterful move by ryukishi
Its such a contrast to the higurashi mastermind where an individual with no real allies moves air land and sea to accomplish the promise of becoming a god and trascending into history, while here we have another face of humanity, its so simple and straightforward that lacks in complexity by far to the last mentioned, ruthless cold greed, rudolfs scene really brings that message to the surface to remind the readers for the last time
These individuals were never really good people even before the massacre started
This is what i like the single truth of the manga version. It's so unsatisfying that leaves Ange with despair.
Willard said it, murders are not like in stories, they are not super elaborate and planned, most only happen because the right conditions occurred by accident.
Not to mention a certain version of Battler’s supposed role in the massacre. Ange would have a difficulty understanding how/why her big brother would do that. 😰
Well that is still just one answer, probably invented right then and there just to torture Ange. it's "true" cause all answers are equally valid.
Corruption
Is what ryukishi does to his characters
She didn't finish her sentence, it could have totally been "This is all truth-I, Bernkastel, love kimchi."
It's _really_ weird that she was even _allowed_ to be interrupted by Ange.
1) You (apparently) can't say a non-true statement in red
2) You (apparently) can get cut off halfway through a red statement
So like, what if I got a friend to fire a blank from a gun so I'd flinch halfway through a statement and get cut off?
*"'Ronald Raegan killed everyone on Rokkenjima', is a theory some people have"*
Say that in red but get cut off right after 'Rokkenjima' and suddenly you're left with a red that isn't true at all. (Example red not mine, from a lawyer friend who is very good at overthinking this.)
If you're wondering why it's Ronald Reagan, the original example was "'Battler killed his entire family' is a theory some people had", but as I pointed out, that's _technically_ true because of Battler's Sin.
@@mads_in_zero in EP8 we learn that that’s actually the truth, so Bern actually stopped talking when Ange screamed
@@LadyFateIV It's _implied_ that's the truth. But think about it this way. The book of single truth is Eva's diary. Eva was unconscious for most of the incident. Conversations between Rudolph and Kyrie are pure speculation on her part.
Episode 7 shows those scenes, so indeed, Bernkastel _had_ to add *"--isn't neccissarily so."* It'd be a lie otherwise.
The scene where Kyrie brutalizes Jessica's dead body? Eva didn't see that either. So, while Kyrie is probably the culprit, I don't have to believe she really was that cruel.
That's what it means to have love.
Spoiler for the manga of Twilight of the Golden Witch:
Eva's Diary ( The Book of Single Truth) is revealed to be as BERNKASTEL presented. She just wanted to get ANGE hopes up, so she could taste more despair.
Yomotsu* Hirasaka is a slope/hill at the border between the world of the living and the world of the dead in Japanese Mythology.
In Umineko world, it could be translated by the fact that they found all the gold from the witch, but they were instantly killed by the "culprit". Something like "purgatorio", a well-know metaphor that was constantly used throughout the episodes.
You are both great.
So this is the japanese Purgatory so to say?
**The corruption is spreading.**
I'm surprised this one has so few views. One of the best tracks imo and plays in one of the best scenes of the VN.
Episode 7 is peak
I’VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS SONG FOR A LITERAL DECADE
good job
it came to you on a white horse
peak fiction
SUPER late but the title should be Yomotsu Hirasaka CORRUPTION. 黄泉 can be read as yomi but the kanji 津 in 黄泉津 makes it obvious it's a pun for yomotsu (津 is read tsu)
黄泉比良坂 (Original writing for yomotsu hirasaka) is a boundary between the dead and the living and 津 (read tsu) means harbor/port, so the title Yomotsu Hirasaka CORRUPTION (黄泉津比良坂CORRUPTION) here kinda means "Corruption (at) the harbor between life and death"
3:07 awesome!!
Someone please make an extended version of 2:28-3:35! That whole sequence was hauntingly beautiful!
Of the Tea Party, she was the game master of the main story, the tea party has no game master
Best Game Over theme of all time.
Bernkastel wasn't the GM of EP7, she herself said that, and she takes the gameboard at the ??? part where she says that this time she'll be the GM and that she will troll everyone more brutally then ever.
To be fair she WAS the Reader so information was filtered through her. The whole scenario while true was probably way less cruel.
top 10 xenveris caught in camera
Love my fun uncle Rudolf
I know nothing about this VN series, but judging by this track, I assume the characters got corrupted from vibing too hard to this banger
They were corrupted from the start, we just didn't know yet.
Somehow people calls this "Yomitsu" Hirasaka but I thought the original kanji was supposed to be read as "Yomotsu" Hirasaka (黄泉比良坂)
They couldn't have known it, every person is at the same time sheep and wolf, but the disguise only falls off when you're absolutelly alone. In the dark pits of the psyche, what scream is strong enough, if everyone pretends to be deaf? Don't be alone, don't be a prey anymore...
@A Not in this context though. (Well assuming they're talking about the story)
Fuck, this went hard in ep7 tea party
U PLAY E7?
They can make misleading statements.
Like, for example "Ushiromiya Battler is dead."
It's true, but not in the way one might think.
Wordplay kind of carries this part of the story, the mental state that made him believe he is Battler is dead but his physical body survived.
Beatrice defines 'people' as bodies in red. So Bernkastel stating that Battler died means Tohya couldn't have lived, because that contradicts the red truth.
@Ping0309 It was explained that there are red statements which apply to specific boardgames and ones that apply to the catbox as a whole, as well as ones that go beyond the catbox and apply to the real world. So no contradiction there.
Mangawise, Lambdadelta said to Beatrice she'll play a corpse in "Her Game."
¡Una fiesta del Té verdaderamente atroz!
Today's the 31st anniversary.
And now, today is the 32nd.
@@@rhadamanthys649 It certainly was.
@@rhadamanthys649now its the 37th
3:07 you'll thank me later.
yeah she was, who ever said otherwise is full of it
It's not made up. That's one of the most basic foundations of Umineko FYI
Everything Bernkastel said was true. Even at EP8
God...
That's why I said "Not saying this is the Truth".
There is no exception
That's Trollkastel.
Yo-Mitsu would be 4-3, though.
That's the point of the Red Truth afterall.
Not saying this is the truth but let's take the 6 in the Chapel in EP 2.
If you think tricky you can get the 6 dead but only 5 1st Twilight victims by lets say thinking that Kinzos body may be kept in the Chapel.
Marcell Roth the constant mentions of "a sweet stench permeating throughout Kinzo's study at various points during EP1 make it clear that his corpse was left in the study.
Marcell Roth to
Hm, I just noticed your response now, but you seem to have deleted it at some point. Still, what you said actually is just about the same way I feel about the whole thing. Bernkastel speaks in absolutes, but it's only so that she can cover the holes in her argument. I definitely appreciate that we weren't necessarily fed "the truth" and can decide the answer for ourselves even after the whole series is done. Higurashi was similar, I think. That's just Ryukishi07's talent.
Reminds me of that one song from Exilelord
But there's no evidence of kinzos body being in the chapel though, which violates knox.
@ Ephidel
Late answers are the best XD You're right. Ep 7 tea party never happened like this. Or at least not in prime. The truth was different. And that was Ryukishi's main point: the red is put together to suggest a certain truth. But there is a truth that is far more fragile. This was the point of all the games - in ep 1 Natsuhi puts the letter on the table, in episode 2 Rosa is not the culprit, in ep 3 the culprit is not Eva, in ep 5 the culprit is not Natsuhi and in ep 7 the culprits aren't Rudolf and Kyrie! But they are ALL accomplices! Ryukishi through Featherine later even calls everyone who believed in Bern's truth "pigs who cannot read" and expresses how disappointed he feels.
Bern can still say that the tea party is true. To understand why, you must know what the meta is.
+Infinity Stop I don't know how you can say that when the manga shows that episode 7 Tea party is indeed what happened in the catbox. Or maybe I don't understand your point ?
+Levi Arooma Yeah I was gonna say the same thing, maybe before the manga came out that may have been true but Ryu07 made the manga to tie up the loose ends and give an actual answer, maybe out of frustration with the fans, kinda disappointing really but even so I was under the impression that the episode 7 tea party is the truth, I even saw theories that make Rudolf and Kyrie the culprits throughout episodes 3-7.
Nooooo! XD I wont comment Infinitys stuff, but Episode 7 is NOT NOT NOT the truth!!! We have NOT been shown the solution, alright? The manga in episode 7 and 8 ties nothing up, it just continues doing something that all the other manga episodes did before too. It tells two stories at the same time, a magic one and one that is true. I keep spoiling this all over the place, and it gets kinda annoying, but I'll mention this again, because it's kind of not revealing too much but still enough to see you should have a big problem with Episode 7 tea party:
Battler is rank 8, Maria 9, Natsuhi 10, and Ange??? appearantly disappeared. She should be rank 9, but she is not! So you can choose: either the ranking system is flawed or Ange doesn't exist like this, which in turn makes Episode 7 not the truth. It's actually both. The Kanon/Shannon/Yasu-story is mainly a magic interpretation of the truth, no matter how real it appears to be. Why do you think Bern is saying "Im going to throw this useless detective into the worst fragment" all the time? This already happened. We are in the worst fragment possible.
Yes it probably is. Is is shown twice in episode 8 that kyrie and Rudolph are the culprits, when Ange reads the book of one truth and when she meets Toya and Hachijo, and it's very likely that episode 7 tea party is what really happened. When you let the game play without a gamemaster setting up anything that's what you get, what really happened. Ryukishi said himself that the manga contains all the truths. And what are you even talking about with ranks, is it about the sitting places ? How is it relevant to anything ?
what in the world are you talking about?
just like kina no kaori
Is the title "Yomitsu" or "Yomotsu"? My dictionnary says it's the latter but…
Thanks so much!
@alfred4king Well, you're right, and that's more or less what I was getting at with that comment. Some people go around thinking they've proven something just because the red seems to say it the way they want to interpret it, but they don't even realize that the red wasn't even used to properly confirm deaths.
이것이 진실이야
They may not lie, but they can mislead you with the red by choosing their words carefully. It bothers me when I see people who just blindly accept what they read, as if they've completely missed the point of Umineko. Not to say you're one of them, I just mean it seems to happen a lot.
1:00 ITS THE STAR GLITCHER OH NO
U also here becuz of star glitcher, nice.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
It's actually four-three, not 34. Nice try though.
@llRambardll Because Bernkastel is totally honest and trustworthy. Lol.
Xenveris
Am I the only person who liked the song?!
yes
OFC Not,I Like It So Much Too.
@@floppyearfriend
try restating it in red