So you think that Chinese capitalists used the Communist Party to get capitalism? Rather than the communist purposefully making China into a state capitalist nation for scientific phase purposes? So that China can be ready for socialism.
@@liberschndt486 "So you think that Chinese capitalists used the Communist Party to get capitalism?" No. The CCP is attempting to conduct capitalism to its central crisis. There are still about 400 million 'pre-proletarian' peasants in China who have yet to even embark upon the path to 'capitalist exploitation'. Marxism can only rescue capitalism from its central crisis at the latter's late-stage. Until then, it can only bide its time.
@@NormBa Your reply has nothing to do what I was talking about. China is a socialist country that PURPOSEFULLY made itself into an advanced capitalist country to toughen up the people, believing that socialism is a SCIENTIFIC process. They made China more capitalist so that Chinese workers can experience an advanced capitalist phase, so they are toughened up and ready for socialism.
11:59 "Really, the problem is the lack of vision, and I think that this lack of vision is precisely, for me, the proof of how strong ideology rules. People say we no longer live in ideological times - of course we do! More than ever! Ideology which really works, which never percieves itself as ideology but simply as the natural state of things."
Don't forget his final words : " I talk too much !" No, I claim ! Precisely what had to be said, was said ! Sorry, don't chave time now to develop dezz further. . .
great vid. nothing new here for those who are familiar with zizek and his thoughts on the current world. but a decent intro for those that maybe interested in learning more about the questions that he wishes the world would challenge. check out his interview with al jazeera.
"this eternal marriage between capitalism and democracy is approaching divorce." Wow good stuff. Good for thought. Zikek, I think you just gave me the idea for my next research paper for international relations :)
Early American Puritans lived in relatively communal societies and did not believe in capitalism. In fact they considered it selfish. Where they encouraged commerce, they did so with a mind to the public interest. They had some measure of democracy, but unfortunately they were influenced by certain Calvinist views that led them to restrict the franchise to "God's elect." Johnuio, be assured, the capitalist spirit was alive and well in the US in the 19th century. In fact Wall Street was born in the early 19th century. And it was alive in American culture even well before that. Remember that not all English Colonists were looking to create a mythical city on the hill. A lot of them were just after Tobacco.
This is some what of proto socialism. They went against greed, and rebelled against the Roman Catholic Church (Enver Hoxha considered Roman Catholic Albanians to be fascists). And yes, they did advocate some form of democracy (because of the struggle against the Roman Catholic Church). However, why did the Puritans advocate this way of life? Did they still believe in family? Did they believe in marriage? Did they believe in non-realism (such as unproven facts that make no sense)? Isn't family a way to control one's life, access to food, and destiny? Don't faithful beliefs have the potential power to control other people's lives? Isn't this a form of oppression? In a scientific sense, the Puritans made a step closer to socialism, by getting away from the even less socialist Roman Catholic Church.
@@liberschndt486 you took the wrong idea of what puritans are. They did not take a step toward socialism. Another totally different group brought socialism into early America, but I will let you figure it out.
What exactly is “more efficient” about Chinese State Capitalism? The fact that people equate non violence and purity with Chinese traditions. Authoritative expansion is still that. Colonialism spread and was effective mostly by its intellectual methods but it was and has still been ineffective for the majority of people and their ancestors. There’s way too much wealth in the world both naturally and artificially for people in China or Africa or the Americas not to have a decent life.
@spischek I disagree. He is quite specific when he talks about China and he uses the term "a more efficient form of capitalism than the west" in several videos. I think if you are going to take Zizek seriously you have to look at precisely what he says, not what it implies or could mean. This is one thing I don't like about him, he makes these big statements delivered with infectious enthusiasm but short on specifics and almost always unsourced.
China has reinvolved into the world economy since 1978. The export-oriented industries in southeast costal China are more like world assemble hub, instead of world workshop. And overwhelming majority of the surplus in the global supply chain is reaped by the brand owners and retailers in global north. And the Chinese workers've struggled for better working conditions and welfare even by committing suicide, like what Foxconn workers did.
This man is brilliant. A lot of people oppose him with JBP or vice versa but I think both men can agree on almost everything. I would love to see both of them talk, not debate. Not much to debate, but at this level of thinking you bounce off of each other until something amazing happens. As a JBP listener, this man has my respect.
Halodroid Z Peterson is a charlatan who can’t make a cohesive point without stepping in far-right dogshit. Zizek has no respect for Peterson, like most respectable philosophers.
Asia is over 50% of the world population. There is no such thing as an umbrella "asian" anything. I'm from Pakistan and we have 75 languages here and we're just one country, so it doesn't make sense.
Le Roi Yeah but there are huge advances in the standard of living. 600 million people have been brought out of poverty in a single generation. Look at Shang Hai, its dynamism and prosperity. This makes me thing maybe Fukuyama was right.
dizzyflores Whatever can be said about the PRC, it's much better than it was under Mao Tse-tung where you could get killed my a lynch mob if you were even suspected of being ever so slightly "bourgeois." Russia may be worse off but China is thriving under capitalism
Zizek says that Chinese capitalism is more efficient than Western capitalism. What does he mean by this? If you look at performance by GDP China is way less than most of the European countries of the former Soviet Union.
Its also the criticism of him on WikiPedia: Both agree that Žižek flouts standards of reasoned argument. Harpham calls Žižek's style "a stream of nonconsecutive units arranged in arbitrary sequences that solicit a sporadic and discontinuous attention."
We often forget the roots of democracy run deep in the West. Athens, Rome, Scandinavia, Venice, the German elector states, Holland, Britain, the US etc. Even the Vatican was democratic to an extent. Although such democracies were extremely limited - in relative terms they were progressive. This I think is the secret of the West's success - not capitalism. China like other Asian Tigers - Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand - will begin to stagnate after an initial rapid rate of growth from a low base.
ideology should start with standardization-the first chinese empire was small but the emperor killed any conquered people refusing to use the imposed language-the country of mr zizek,slovenia has only 2 M. people but has a distinctive language-how the hell can you built an integrated bloc w/ such balkanization ? europe is such a babel tower !!!-you can write slovenia in 50 different ways ,and it is practically impossible to understand all the traffic signs over there,for a start-even with the e.u.,asian businessmen go almost crazy trying to understand the different laws and practices
I think the problem with capitalism is that capitalism can not produce intellectual. I think capitalism's ended by the traditional meaning of capitalism. Today is like a dead body and bloodless but to continue its life capitalism started to suck others blood like a crazy vampire. If in past we had had some happy people in capitalist countries today even in their countries they faced to serious problem. In some cases these capitalist countries to escape from their dark situations some times they borrow from Marxism ideas and theories. As prime example I can say United States. Today we have many scientist who they accepted all these facts, These scientists are not typical scientists who are under stupid programs I talk about those who really know about philosophy of science and they are deep in science not as is in university. So, in future we have more leftist politicians and professors in universities the gap between 2 different part of our world will change the future.
This dude for as smart as he is, blew on his tea before drinking it. I'm sorry, It's just funny I don't mean any harm, to think just, him of all people would know just generally that does nothing lol.
Anybody who has been paying attention to any economic writing from the past 20 years (Wall Street Journal, Wired, The Economist, New York Times etc.) would understand the ironic nature of that comment. It doesn't have to be "Sourced" when the idea is so well known. I honestly think that a lot of the backlash from that comment came from idiots who don;t know what they're talking about. ITS A FACT that China/Signapore/Japan have both markets and authoritarian qualities relative to other places.
Really, the Chinese administration of capitalism was not so hot. Sell for less than it costs you to make, sales figures are so great you can never recover, and the money goes to property price inflation, but the buildings are made from soggy cardboard.
So three philosophers walk into a bar...
"Capitalists got it that their best collective political representatives is the Communist Party." Nailed it.
So you think that Chinese capitalists used the Communist Party to get capitalism? Rather than the communist purposefully making China into a state capitalist nation for scientific phase purposes? So that China can be ready for socialism.
They will sell us the rope with which we'll hang them - Vladimir Ilych Lenin.
@@liberschndt486 "So you think that Chinese capitalists used the Communist Party to get capitalism?"
No. The CCP is attempting to conduct capitalism to its central crisis. There are still about 400 million 'pre-proletarian' peasants in China who have yet to even embark upon the path to 'capitalist exploitation'. Marxism can only rescue capitalism from its central crisis at the latter's late-stage. Until then, it can only bide its time.
@@NormBa Your reply has nothing to do what I was talking about.
China is a socialist country that PURPOSEFULLY made itself into an advanced capitalist country to toughen up the people, believing that socialism is a SCIENTIFIC process. They made China more capitalist so that Chinese workers can experience an advanced capitalist phase, so they are toughened up and ready for socialism.
@@liberschndt486 that doesn't make sense
11:59
"Really, the problem is the lack of vision, and I think that this lack of vision is precisely, for me, the proof of how strong ideology rules. People say we no longer live in ideological times - of course we do! More than ever! Ideology which really works, which never percieves itself as ideology but simply as the natural state of things."
Don't forget his final words :
" I talk too much !"
No, I claim ! Precisely what had to be said, was said !
Sorry, don't chave time now to develop dezz further. . .
Amazing. Zizek really seems to be more in his own and comfortable in conversation.
2:00 he predicted the new global authoritarian right/ultraliberal wave.
great vid. nothing new here for those who are familiar with zizek and his thoughts on the current world. but a decent intro for those that maybe interested in learning more about the questions that he wishes the world would challenge. check out his interview with al jazeera.
3:29 Is that Wang Hui (汪晖) ?
"this eternal marriage between capitalism and democracy is approaching divorce." Wow good stuff. Good for thought. Zikek, I think you just gave me the idea for my next research paper for international relations :)
“I talk too much”
Best way to end a speech lol
Jerry Meo Honestly. we're probably all speaking from experience too lol
Early American Puritans lived in relatively communal societies and did not believe in capitalism. In fact they considered it selfish. Where they encouraged commerce, they did so with a mind to the public interest. They had some measure of democracy, but unfortunately they were influenced by certain Calvinist views that led them to restrict the franchise to "God's elect."
Johnuio, be assured, the capitalist spirit was alive and well in the US in the 19th century. In fact Wall Street was born in the early 19th century.
And it was alive in American culture even well before that. Remember that not all English Colonists were looking to create a mythical city on the hill. A lot of them were just after Tobacco.
This is some what of proto socialism. They went against greed, and rebelled against the Roman Catholic Church (Enver Hoxha considered Roman Catholic Albanians to be fascists). And yes, they did advocate some form of democracy (because of the struggle against the Roman Catholic Church).
However, why did the Puritans advocate this way of life? Did they still believe in family? Did they believe in marriage? Did they believe in non-realism (such as unproven facts that make no sense)? Isn't family a way to control one's life, access to food, and destiny? Don't faithful beliefs have the potential power to control other people's lives? Isn't this a form of oppression?
In a scientific sense, the Puritans made a step closer to socialism, by getting away from the even less socialist Roman Catholic Church.
@@liberschndt486 you took the wrong idea of what puritans are. They did not take a step toward socialism. Another totally different group brought socialism into early America, but I will let you figure it out.
@@myemailaccount3046 Who did? The Jews?
where can we get the rest of this interview - very interesting?
I agree, great point.
None of you have sadly studied or mentioned what Marx called Asiatic Mode of Production, AMoP.
Who’s vacuuming in the background? Lol
What exactly is “more efficient” about Chinese State Capitalism? The fact that people equate non violence and purity with Chinese traditions. Authoritative expansion is still that. Colonialism spread and was effective mostly by its intellectual methods but it was and has still been ineffective for the majority of people and their ancestors.
There’s way too much wealth in the world both naturally and artificially for people in China or Africa or the Americas not to have a decent life.
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@spischek
I disagree. He is quite specific when he talks about China and he uses the term "a more efficient form of capitalism than the west" in several videos. I think if you are going to take Zizek seriously you have to look at precisely what he says, not what it implies or could mean. This is one thing I don't like about him, he makes these big statements delivered with infectious enthusiasm but short on specifics and almost always unsourced.
I wish I had his fashion sense :(
Fuck this was great. Is there a link to full discussion?
The title is wrong, there is no lack of ideology.
lack of ideology as in a common ground of accepted values we don't even dicuss, see the end of the video.
China has reinvolved into the world economy since 1978. The export-oriented industries in southeast costal China are more like world assemble hub, instead of world workshop. And overwhelming majority of the surplus in the global supply chain is reaped by the brand owners and retailers in global north. And the Chinese workers've struggled for better working conditions and welfare even by committing suicide, like what Foxconn workers did.
hey who is his "leftist philosopher" friend he mentions around 3:28? Van--- something?
Wang Hui汪晖
I love his closing argument " I talk to much"
This man is brilliant. A lot of people oppose him with JBP or vice versa but I think both men can agree on almost everything. I would love to see both of them talk, not debate. Not much to debate, but at this level of thinking you bounce off of each other until something amazing happens. As a JBP listener, this man has my respect.
Halodroid Z Peterson is a charlatan who can’t make a cohesive point without stepping in far-right dogshit. Zizek has no respect for Peterson, like most respectable philosophers.
yungdresscode Far right? Catch up, man. Really.
@@sledgehammer5033 welp
There is nothing more entertaining than a philosopher in pijamas talking about asian capitalism
This is a children's book that they give to their young
The Philosopher sorcerer...
HE IS A MADMAN.
@Space Monkey I ment that as a compliment. ( he is fearless ).
Asia is over 50% of the world population. There is no such thing as an umbrella "asian" anything. I'm from Pakistan and we have 75 languages here and we're just one country, so it doesn't make sense.
white people do that
Actually "european" is a rough generalization to.
@vkvladman Thank you, please excuse our bad English.
4:00 That is the best explanation.
We have this capitalism which works, how do we best manage it thru the political sphere,
Le Roi Yeah but there are huge advances in the standard of living. 600 million people have been brought out of poverty in a single generation. Look at Shang Hai, its dynamism and prosperity. This makes me thing maybe Fukuyama was right.
And how many have sunk further, been displaced or killed? Fukayama is so irrelevant today his own mother doesn't know he who is.
dizzyflores Whatever can be said about the PRC, it's much better than it was under Mao Tse-tung where you could get killed my a lynch mob if you were even suspected of being ever so slightly "bourgeois." Russia may be worse off but China is thriving under capitalism
Zizek says that Chinese capitalism is more efficient than Western capitalism. What does he mean by this? If you look at performance by GDP China is way less than most of the European countries of the former Soviet Union.
Its also the criticism of him on WikiPedia:
Both agree that Žižek flouts standards of reasoned argument. Harpham calls Žižek's style "a stream of nonconsecutive units arranged in arbitrary sequences that solicit a sporadic and discontinuous attention."
Very interesting the part about North Korean Kim Jong-il not having to poop or pee
Zizek does so much buk buk buk buk gossip but never used the word AMoP to counter Asiatic Value notion spoken by other speaker. DUFFER!
ab7:45
at the end he says"i talk too much "😁👏
Oh mein Gott! i become Žižekist!
But hey, great video
We often forget the roots of democracy run deep in the West. Athens, Rome, Scandinavia, Venice, the German elector states, Holland, Britain, the US etc. Even the Vatican was democratic to an extent. Although such democracies were extremely limited - in relative terms they were progressive. This I think is the secret of the West's success - not capitalism. China like other Asian Tigers - Malaysia, Indonesia, Thailand - will begin to stagnate after an initial rapid rate of growth from a low base.
ideology should start with standardization-the first chinese empire was small but the emperor killed any conquered people refusing to use the imposed language-the country of mr zizek,slovenia has only 2 M. people but has a distinctive language-how the hell can you built an integrated bloc w/ such balkanization ? europe is such a babel tower !!!-you can write slovenia in 50 different ways ,and it is practically impossible to understand all the traffic signs over there,for a start-even with the e.u.,asian businessmen go almost crazy
trying to understand the different laws and practices
I think the problem with capitalism is that capitalism can not produce intellectual. I think capitalism's ended by the traditional meaning of capitalism. Today is like a dead body and bloodless but to continue its life capitalism started to suck others blood like a crazy vampire. If in past we had had some happy people in capitalist countries today even in their countries they faced to serious problem. In some cases these capitalist countries to escape from their dark situations some times they borrow from Marxism ideas and theories. As prime example I can say United States. Today we have many scientist who they accepted all these facts, These scientists are not typical scientists who are under stupid programs I talk about those who really know about philosophy of science and they are deep in science not as is in university. So, in future we have more leftist politicians and professors in universities the gap between 2 different part of our world will change the future.
Kamran Jafarpour
Kamran Jafarpour
In a slavery based economy, only education can help prove ignorant people that humans should not be owned by value or beliefs.
Learn how to write english, then talk.
Doesn't Zizek know we must develop our society to have socialism?
There's more than one type of development. You can have non capitalistic development.
See ANTICONQUISTA and the Qiao Collective
look at rate of growth of china
Der hat schon lange ein " lack of ideology" , die anderen Hilfkomiker auch alle.
Last few lines were so true about ideology.. And about talking too much as well.. Lol
This dude for as smart as he is, blew on his tea before drinking it. I'm sorry, It's just funny I don't mean any harm, to think just, him of all people would know just generally that does nothing lol.
Im.God
A daoist view of politics...
Terence Chung wrong
State capitalism
🇨🇳
共产主义必将胜利
Anybody who has been paying attention to any economic writing from the past 20 years (Wall Street Journal, Wired, The Economist, New York Times etc.) would understand the ironic nature of that comment. It doesn't have to be "Sourced" when the idea is so well known.
I honestly think that a lot of the backlash from that comment came from idiots who don;t know what they're talking about. ITS A FACT that China/Signapore/Japan have both markets and authoritarian qualities relative to other places.
guy to the right of zizek looks like a descendant of trotsky...wouldn't be surprised if he was.
**Icepick slowly comes in from out of frame**
Really, the Chinese administration of capitalism was not so hot. Sell for less than it costs you to make, sales figures are so great you can never recover, and the money goes to property price inflation, but the buildings are made from soggy cardboard.
*sniff*
Please find a less annoying interviewer next time.
Capitalism is industrial revolutionary and is going to be A.I handled.
cocaine.
Aah we have pagans in power in Lithuania too :)