Skaven, whom I have in my FB friends, has been notified. He's impressed and promptly shared it with all his old Future Crew buddies from back in the day.
Thanks to Purple Motion to credit me 12:58 in the greeeting list on the demo released on PC ... Nostalgic period ... and +1 :like for the work for this video ... congratulations
90s demoscene badly needs a reboot by smart kids unafraid of hardware and spending a month together in a house to code for fun. God bless everyone who ever did that and knows what I'm talking about.
If it makes you feel any better the demoscene is still very much alive and well, on modern platforms and old. Second Reality just got ported to the Commander X16 and the Apple II.
Honestly I think this was an amazing remix. Riffing on the demo in various ways, adding some more modern sequences and graphics, call backs to other Future Crew demos, jazzing up the PM and Skaven soundtrack just a bit. Very well done. Sure as a critic there might be some different choices I would have made, but that does not detract in any way from what you've done here which is amazingly well put together. I hard task for the singularly best PC demo ever created.
@@KimRom I don't think the soundtrack holds up. The original had a more congruous mix and rhythm. Also the FX on the original were better. case in point the slap-forward echo on the initial lead synth line and missing the fat reverb on the lead at 1:30
skaven music is vert nice too and so nice the end of the melody when you see the logo at the ned ... and the space ship get out of the screen ... the sound at this moment is great ..... like a cinematic scene ...... great moment 09:00
Off the top of my head I can think of more than 10 things I could criticize about it, but I like the idea. Some things were also implemented very well. I especially liked the extension of the roto zoomer. Second Reality changed my life in 1993. And I still watch it several times a year.
With DFX audio enhancer the ambiance is amazing ... A real pleasure to listen again and again .... If I had a machine to come back in the time I'll choose this moment at the Assembly on the big screen with the people here and present for the fun and the respect between groups of the Demo Scene .. Peace !
This is an amazing remaster of both the music and the graphics! Fantastic work. And as for there not being HQ captures, it was a VGA presentation, how HQ can they get? There are plenty of Retro 486 and Pentium classic machines out there today that can be used to do this.
@@unpunnyfuns exactly, I wonder what is wrong with the MindCandy DVD? They went through a lot of effort to capture everything at proper quality (which is hard because of syncing camera to CRT, and probably lots of other stuff). Or maybe it's not that great quality? It's been a long time since I watched it (bought it at Mekka & Symposium 2000, IIRC), so maybe I remember it more fondly than it is, compared to current day standards. BTW not everything in 2nd Reality is at default 320x200 VGA resolution, some scenes are higher res, if I'm not wrong. Also, as far as I know, it's possible to run 2nd Reality using the DOSBox emulator (although again, it's been a while since I last tried it).
So glad I found this. I had forgotten what it was called and finally found it by googling "old pc graphics music contest", then I saw Future Crew in the results and it all came rushing back. This rocked so hard back in the day and the music was so different from anything I'd ever heard. Groundbreaking stuff.
Well, it's a _hidden_ part :P I tried not to make it super obvious, but the "starfield backgrounds" and "static noise" effects between 02:27 - 03:16 are based on the hidden part in Second Reality. The segments get abused a bit as they're inverted, sped up, slowed down, color-corrected, stacked for higher density and whatnot, but it's grown from the hushhush demo part in 2nd Reality.
Speaking of hidden parts. The original S3m's for Skaven's music has a portion of unused music as it just loops. We noticed as 2 samples never got played. If my memory is correct "Big Pizzicato 1 and 2" were the samples.
~¤ OUR HALF SOULS COMBINED, WE ARE THE SUPREME MARSHALS OF THE SPACE FORCE ~¤ It sounds just as if I'd been riding in, pallete rotating on my sinusoidal wave the day of :)
It's a good point, however, the NSFW imagery falls in line with the shock value present in many of the demos from the scene at this time. I think the image is faithful allusion to the shock value artistry present in the scene at the time. This reproduction is a faithful homage to the original.
Most of the new visuals were excellent, really well done! The new/remixed audio-parts though, alot of it just didn't vibe with me. It had some moments of awesomeness but overall they just felt alot weaker than the original tunes.
BOY am I torn here! I've experienced the original on my dad's 386 back in the days, and made a long ass 3.5mm to cinch cable just to hear the track on his HiFi in one room, running back and forth between his living room and his home office, at the age of about 11 or 12. I did this every second weekend for quite a while, because my parents usually were at my uncle's then. Which is to say: I know the original in and out, and it was a VERY important part in me chosing the career path I ended up in being 40 years of age today. That being said: I wasn't really feeling the first 3/4 of this remake to be honest. Many valid homages, but imho too much originality - which is a terrible thing to say in a way. Then there was the letdown of not using the original atomic playboy sample at the right time, just before making the rotation FX actually 3D!! I was NOT prepared for this! Woah! Coooool!! Almost made up for all the ommissions during the first few mintues, for which I have to say though that you really recreated them all very well. Just way too fast paced to capture the wonder the original instilled in me. Your music, especially in the last 3rd, was really amazing! Did bring so much joy to me, and sounded just like my rose-tinted memories of days long gone by, yet certainly better in actuallity. The one thing that kept throwing me off were those strange symbols you threw in in many places. I don't know the meaning of these, and I also don't think they added anything of value to the result. If there was anything to cut compared to the original, these would have been it. And then there is this video's title. Dude. Too many non-character symbols. It looks WAY more desperate that it needs to. The prod itself is good enough to stand on a decent caption. If this was pouet, I'd give this a piggy with a heart!
I remember those symbols from another Future Crew demo; I think it was Panic! I also saw at least one Unreal reference too (Another Future Crew demo). This was not just a remix of Second Reality, but almost a medley of various Future Crew demos, while also referring to the actual source of the "I am not anAtomic playboy". Really slick work.
Yes, the mix of Panic (must see because it was extremely good on PC in 1992), Unreal and Second Reality was overambitious in places. But I understand the idea, see the love behind it and think: I would have done some things differently, but it wouldn't have been better. It would have just become "my version". Accordingly: all is well. And thank you for the good time.
You know, they did make the Mind Candy DVD years ago to preserve all these demos ... that capture was pretty high quality: th-cam.com/video/4h8fQGZ0gEY/w-d-xo.html
It's not so much finding an upload of the demo, as it's finding a good upload. Most captures fail hard at the plasma and/or 3D sinusfield sequences. :< I believe the best version available online is this: th-cam.com/video/RBx0P95Alfc/w-d-xo.html (sadly neither flawless or perfect)
@@KimRom I have proper video capture hardware (Leitch X75 TBC + Blackmagic Hyperdeck Studio HD), so I could give it a shot. Can you give some hints about what kind of imperfections you see in that recording? Just so we're on the same page.
@@GerbenWijnja I am by no means a pro, but I think to get this right, you'd want something like a 486DX-66 and a Gravis Ultrasound sound card. And something that would capture the actual VGA output as it would have been rendered on a CRT. There were effects used in these demos that took advantage of high frequency changes to the color pallete during the electron beam scan across the display. Pretty sure getting it out of the VGA adapter itself would do a pretty good job at this.
@@metadaat5791 DOSBox does surprisingly (almost shockingly) well, but I've seen it struggle on some demos. For example, it can struggle on the "copper" effect that takes advantage of shifting the VGA color palette in sync with the horizontal refresh of a CRT monitor. This kinda thing also might be used for some kinds of "plasma" effects. Second Reality seems to look pretty good (to me) on DOSBox, set up as the hardware recommended in the second reality docs (I think it was a 486DX-33). But the emulation is not perfect, and there are things we might be missing if given a close look. @KimRom mentions some difficult areas in the Second Reality demo in his comment above. I also wanna say that the Mindcandy captures seemed like a really strong attempt, but its crazy to go back and see the heavy compression artifacting present in the DVD itself. I have the DVD and it is not pretty.
wow that is truly terrible. The musics is very much taste dependent in this I think. good effort on the bits indidually. can see what was been aimed at but for me missed entierly
This is probably the best-phrased criticism I've read in a long time. It is oddly refreshing to see someone shit all over my creative output, and on a personal level not feel offended or butthurt. I salute you. :) If you've seen the video, I would be very curious to know your opinion on my Desert Dream/Kefrens remix. th-cam.com/video/elCP5LYynkE/w-d-xo.html
Dag yo. I didn't really feel it either but I'm not gonna shit on it that hard. Great effort. I have been half-ass/low-key working on an [audio only] redux, not remix, that has some stuff in common with this piece. Very hard work reverse engineering and reproducing all these synth sounds, let alone the graphics.
@@thorinteague989 Cheers! If "some stuff" encompasses musical style and/or demoscene, I would be stoked to give it a listen whenever you want to share, . :)
Excellent work. Such good memories. Loving every second of it. Keep it up!
Skaven, whom I have in my FB friends, has been notified. He's impressed and promptly shared it with all his old Future Crew buddies from back in the day.
Thanks to Purple Motion to credit me 12:58 in the greeeting list on the demo released on PC ...
Nostalgic period ... and +1 :like for the work for this video ... congratulations
nice. if it was possible to choose one demo from all time to be greeted in the choice would be obvious.
90s demoscene badly needs a reboot by smart kids unafraid of hardware and spending a month together in a house to code for fun. God bless everyone who ever did that and knows what I'm talking about.
If it makes you feel any better the demoscene is still very much alive and well, on modern platforms and old. Second Reality just got ported to the Commander X16 and the Apple II.
I remember I often went to sleep listening to the music to Second Reality back in the summers in the mid 90s. One of my fondest memories.
Seconded! (me too, I mean)
This is actually surprisingly good
There needs to be something better than "Like" for these rare occasions.
Honestly I think this was an amazing remix. Riffing on the demo in various ways, adding some more modern sequences and graphics, call backs to other Future Crew demos, jazzing up the PM and Skaven soundtrack just a bit. Very well done. Sure as a critic there might be some different choices I would have made, but that does not detract in any way from what you've done here which is amazingly well put together. I hard task for the singularly best PC demo ever created.
+1
@@KimRom I don't think the soundtrack holds up.
The original had a more congruous mix and rhythm.
Also the FX on the original were better. case in point the slap-forward echo on the initial lead synth line and missing the fat reverb on the lead at 1:30
Still an amazing demo.
Thx.
Luv and Peace.
7:07 best part for me .... a lot of emotion ... thanks Purple Motion for this great moment !
There are some elements of the Panic demo as well in there. Nice work. Future crew were the best PC demo group back in those days. Love this stuff
Wow this is amazing! Seeing the plasma wash effect on my old CRT blew my mind as a child.
This is exactly how the 1993-version looked and sounded for me.
How significant this demo is!!! Never gets old!
Interesting changes, innovative and with good taste for a tribute. Amazing orchestral remake.
we really need a full nokia cover
skaven music is vert nice too and so nice the end of the melody when you see the logo at the ned ... and the space ship get out of the screen ... the sound at this moment is great ..... like a cinematic scene ...... great moment 09:00
Skaven is a great composer!
I listen very often using DFX extension audio sound rendering ... mervellous and crazy .. thanks a lot !
Probably the best Second Reality remake ever made
Good remix, and that updated orchestral soundtrack is epic!
Off the top of my head I can think of more than 10 things I could criticize about it, but I like the idea. Some things were also implemented very well. I especially liked the extension of the roto zoomer.
Second Reality changed my life in 1993. And I still watch it several times a year.
Second reality lives on in my ringtones!
Very, VERY nice remix!
- ChatGPT, make the best demo ever even BETTER !!!!!
- Sure. Let me ask Kim Rom.
Great Remix! Best Demo ever made.
With DFX audio enhancer the ambiance is amazing ... A real pleasure to listen again and again .... If I had a machine to come back in the time I'll choose this moment at the Assembly on the big screen with the people here and present for the fun and the respect between groups of the Demo Scene .. Peace !
What a beautiful work !
Oh wow this was insane! Def subbed!
great job, super proud
Interesting. Never thought back in the day that this may be possible - not the technical achievement, but the very concept.
very good dedicace too to Future Crew too ! ... nice
Bonjour la Finlande. Great project.
Great Job!
Holy shit! This killed it! Unreal and Fishtro next LOL :D
The bomb will not blow out the bottom of the sea and let all the water run down the hole.
This is an amazing remaster of both the music and the graphics! Fantastic work. And as for there not being HQ captures, it was a VGA presentation, how HQ can they get? There are plenty of Retro 486 and Pentium classic machines out there today that can be used to do this.
MindCandy DVD springs to mind.
@@unpunnyfuns exactly, I wonder what is wrong with the MindCandy DVD? They went through a lot of effort to capture everything at proper quality (which is hard because of syncing camera to CRT, and probably lots of other stuff).
Or maybe it's not that great quality? It's been a long time since I watched it (bought it at Mekka & Symposium 2000, IIRC), so maybe I remember it more fondly than it is, compared to current day standards.
BTW not everything in 2nd Reality is at default 320x200 VGA resolution, some scenes are higher res, if I'm not wrong.
Also, as far as I know, it's possible to run 2nd Reality using the DOSBox emulator (although again, it's been a while since I last tried it).
Fantastic! 😃
This and Farbrausch FR08 are the Demos I play often.
So glad I found this. I had forgotten what it was called and finally found it by googling "old pc graphics music contest", then I saw Future Crew in the results and it all came rushing back. This rocked so hard back in the day and the music was so different from anything I'd ever heard. Groundbreaking stuff.
Great nostalgic work! I miss a reference to Wildfire's "U" hidden part.
Well, it's a _hidden_ part :P I tried not to make it super obvious, but the "starfield backgrounds" and "static noise" effects between 02:27 - 03:16 are based on the hidden part in Second Reality. The segments get abused a bit as they're inverted, sped up, slowed down, color-corrected, stacked for higher density and whatnot, but it's grown from the hushhush demo part in 2nd Reality.
@@KimRom Oh! it's true!!! I was "panicking" on that part and miss the saturated star field :D
Speaking of hidden parts. The original S3m's for Skaven's music has a portion of unused music as it just loops. We noticed as 2 samples never got played. If my memory is correct "Big Pizzicato 1 and 2" were the samples.
good old memories......
Hi, who coded that "Red Sun Magnetic field" effect? It's absolutely stunning and mesmerizin effect i've seen a long, long time.
www.shadertoy.com/view/WtGBDG
Created by ENDESGA in 2021-03-05
Some elements actually come other FC demos. The Real/Unreal colours come from "Unreal", and the icons come from "Panic".
Massive!
~¤ OUR HALF SOULS COMBINED, WE ARE THE SUPREME MARSHALS OF THE SPACE FORCE ~¤
It sounds just as if I'd been riding in, pallete rotating on my sinusoidal wave the day of :)
OMG 😱
when the rotozoomer turns 3D ... 🤯
good old memories.
GUS RuLeZ !!!
Brill 💪🏼💪🏼
Fucking awesome mate
What am I looking at? I don't know..
BUT I LIKE IT!
Someone needs to do a Crystal Dreams ll remake in 4k
I always start with remixed/remade music, visuals flow naturally from that
This is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen. Too bad there's an NSFW image in the middle, cuz I was gonna share it at work (and with my kids) :(
Good point, thanks for the constructive feedback, Sir!
@@KimRom What are the odds that you might put up a new version with different art in that section?
@@no_not_that_one_again That seems do-able, should be a minor editing task. Gimme a few days to look into it.
It's a good point, however, the NSFW imagery falls in line with the shock value present in many of the demos from the scene at this time. I think the image is faithful allusion to the shock value artistry present in the scene at the time. This reproduction is a faithful homage to the original.
@@ipanonymously9503 maybe, but it wasn't in second reality (or panic, or unreal)
well... it is not perfect, but it is very good revision of 30+ years old material... well done, keep on!
29 to be precise. Second Reality is from 1993.
2023!!!! 30 YEARS BABY!!
I know the perfect demo to be remastered, I'm talking about the famous and basically lost Sega 32x tech demo, that demo is pretty good 🙂
Most of the new visuals were excellent, really well done!
The new/remixed audio-parts though, alot of it just didn't vibe with me. It had some moments of awesomeness but overall they just felt alot weaker than the original tunes.
Where is the executable download?
Release notes and whatnot 👿 rom.kim/post/676428807322894336/2ndreality
BOY am I torn here!
I've experienced the original on my dad's 386 back in the days, and made a long ass 3.5mm to cinch cable just to hear the track on his HiFi in one room, running back and forth between his living room and his home office, at the age of about 11 or 12. I did this every second weekend for quite a while, because my parents usually were at my uncle's then. Which is to say: I know the original in and out, and it was a VERY important part in me chosing the career path I ended up in being 40 years of age today.
That being said:
I wasn't really feeling the first 3/4 of this remake to be honest. Many valid homages, but imho too much originality - which is a terrible thing to say in a way. Then there was the letdown of not using the original atomic playboy sample at the right time, just before making the rotation FX actually 3D!! I was NOT prepared for this! Woah! Coooool!!
Almost made up for all the ommissions during the first few mintues, for which I have to say though that you really recreated them all very well. Just way too fast paced to capture the wonder the original instilled in me.
Your music, especially in the last 3rd, was really amazing! Did bring so much joy to me, and sounded just like my rose-tinted memories of days long gone by, yet certainly better in actuallity.
The one thing that kept throwing me off were those strange symbols you threw in in many places. I don't know the meaning of these, and I also don't think they added anything of value to the result. If there was anything to cut compared to the original, these would have been it.
And then there is this video's title. Dude. Too many non-character symbols. It looks WAY more desperate that it needs to. The prod itself is good enough to stand on a decent caption.
If this was pouet, I'd give this a piggy with a heart!
I remember those symbols from another Future Crew demo; I think it was Panic! I also saw at least one Unreal reference too (Another Future Crew demo). This was not just a remix of Second Reality, but almost a medley of various Future Crew demos, while also referring to the actual source of the "I am not anAtomic playboy". Really slick work.
Yes, the mix of Panic (must see because it was extremely good on PC in 1992), Unreal and Second Reality was overambitious in places. But I understand the idea, see the love behind it and think: I would have done some things differently, but it wouldn't have been better. It would have just become "my version". Accordingly: all is well. And thank you for the good time.
I think the homage to Panic and Unreal were awesome.
What new devilry is this?
The chromatic aberration is too heavily overused but other than that, two thumbs up!
Past Succes never haunted them. They went and created Remedy Gamecompany.
You know, they did make the Mind Candy DVD years ago to preserve all these demos ... that capture was pretty high quality:
th-cam.com/video/4h8fQGZ0gEY/w-d-xo.html
480p :
@@KimRom yeah but the original demo was never higher than 640x480 anyways.
@@JamesDatWork that’s not how streaming codecs work
Awesome! but you could skip the original pixelated ...
What did you just do......
the original certainly is on TH-cam.
th-cam.com/video/KTjnt_WSJu8/w-d-xo.html
edit: sorry, you meant the Assembly 93 presentation, didn't you?
It's not so much finding an upload of the demo, as it's finding a good upload. Most captures fail hard at the plasma and/or 3D sinusfield sequences. :<
I believe the best version available online is this: th-cam.com/video/RBx0P95Alfc/w-d-xo.html (sadly neither flawless or perfect)
@@KimRom I have proper video capture hardware (Leitch X75 TBC + Blackmagic Hyperdeck Studio HD), so I could give it a shot. Can you give some hints about what kind of imperfections you see in that recording? Just so we're on the same page.
@@GerbenWijnja I am by no means a pro, but I think to get this right, you'd want something like a 486DX-66 and a Gravis Ultrasound sound card. And something that would capture the actual VGA output as it would have been rendered on a CRT. There were effects used in these demos that took advantage of high frequency changes to the color pallete during the electron beam scan across the display. Pretty sure getting it out of the VGA adapter itself would do a pretty good job at this.
@@yahnevets Can't you just use the DOSBox emulator? Or is it not faithful enough
@@metadaat5791 DOSBox does surprisingly (almost shockingly) well, but I've seen it struggle on some demos. For example, it can struggle on the "copper" effect that takes advantage of shifting the VGA color palette in sync with the horizontal refresh of a CRT monitor. This kinda thing also might be used for some kinds of "plasma" effects. Second Reality seems to look pretty good (to me) on DOSBox, set up as the hardware recommended in the second reality docs (I think it was a 486DX-33). But the emulation is not perfect, and there are things we might be missing if given a close look. @KimRom mentions some difficult areas in the Second Reality demo in his comment above.
I also wanna say that the Mindcandy captures seemed like a really strong attempt, but its crazy to go back and see the heavy compression artifacting present in the DVD itself. I have the DVD and it is not pretty.
Thanks for the history of sampling!!!
wow that is truly terrible. The musics is very much taste dependent in this I think. good effort on the bits indidually. can see what was been aimed at but for me missed entierly
This is probably the best-phrased criticism I've read in a long time. It is oddly refreshing to see someone shit all over my creative output, and on a personal level not feel offended or butthurt. I salute you. :) If you've seen the video, I would be very curious to know your opinion on my Desert Dream/Kefrens remix. th-cam.com/video/elCP5LYynkE/w-d-xo.html
Dag yo. I didn't really feel it either but I'm not gonna shit on it that hard. Great effort. I have been half-ass/low-key working on an [audio only] redux, not remix, that has some stuff in common with this piece. Very hard work reverse engineering and reproducing all these synth sounds, let alone the graphics.
@@thorinteague989 Cheers! If "some stuff" encompasses musical style and/or demoscene, I would be stoked to give it a listen whenever you want to share, . :)
@@KimRom I don't have anything recorded. I'm talking about second reality. I was reduxing it but never really got around to finishing it.
Wow, you butchered this terribly