Exploring Void Linux - A Different Kind Of Distro
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- Today, I'm taking a quick look at Void Linux. Void is an interesting Linux distribution in that it is an independent distro, and it is quite minimal (suckless) by design. It has its own package manager and its own init system (not systemd!). It also offers the option of musl rather than glibc.
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I love how important it is to Derek to meticulously tell us every time he installs Linux that he is not actually in Chicago. He's shutting down the rumors early.
I was in Chicago and never saw DT. I think it's legit.
@@Tn5421Me I see, so you’re a fellow genius
@@Tn5421Me he say in one video he in Louisiana
He is in Louisiana
@@leobrocato3230 He mentions it even in this video
Just last week, I Riced a void linux vm with mate I had lying around for ages. Really impressive speed and resource utilisation. Criminally Under-rated distro.
what about package availability as it is independent distro
@@kalyankumar218 no
My main distro for years now, coming from arch. No systemd, minimalist, fast package manager, incremental updates, huge repository. Running in my desktop pc for three years now and never have an issue
@Deepak Negi i3-gaps but I only use it to toggle workspaces and cycle through windows as "tabs". Im a dev so all the focus is on an editor, a browser and some temporal terminals; so no complicated layouts.
@@christiangimbatti4830, same workflow as mine with DWM and Arch.
Do you use the musl edition? If so, have you experienced any incompatibilities or something like that?
You used to use arch btw
@@christiangimbatti4830 I am a dev as well and I am running arch and qtile. I tend to do everything in my code editor of choice since it’s easier than switching to an actual terminal since my code editor vscodium which is a fork of vscode but builds it without the telemetry has a terminal just like vscode.
Void us an _awesome_ distro!
It's a bit trickier distro to run then Arch,
simply because it's not as popular, it's
far more difficult to find support for online.
That said, it's an amazing option intermediate users!
If your comfortable with Arch, but want to try something different,
and Gentoo is not your cup of tea, Void is where you need to be!
Wicked quick installation, simple to use and incredibly fast package manager,
a simple to use init system that's not SystemD... what's not to love!
less support, but I never had on void any of the kind of problems that I required some support for on arch so IMO its a win, and most of the arch documentation for packages is still valid if you exclude systemd specific stuff
@MichaelDustter what software do you have in mind?
Just want to say that I really appreciate the fact that you jump straight into showing the installation process with no bullshit, unlike so many other channels where you have to skip 20 minutes into the video before you even see the system in operation. Thank you
I have a 2008 32 bit netbook that is still a very usable little machine thanks to this distro. Void has been absolutely flawless on it for a few years now.
What Window manager or desktop environment do you have on it or would recommend from your experience?
Runit protip for us WM types: Install the vsv wrapper which turns user services into a first class concept through vsv -u, then you can configure all of those doodads you want to start along with your WM as actual services (that can be restarted, etc.) instead of just exec'ing a bunch of stuff in your config.
Commenting so I have record of this later, thank you
Void Linux in Windows tip / bookmark#087
Bookmarking this as well
5:38 A Unix joke I made in 1997:
Why isn't there a sudo group?
Don't reinvent the wheel.
I've never seen a distro this straightforward. This is actually quite beautiful in it's execution.
reminds me arch in some way
Left a void installation for a year, where no problem updating it after! Good for a rolling distro!
I had issues with duplicity (backup tool) stopped working afetr update.
Very nice introduction to this distro. This made me enthusiastic to try it out on my Dell i7 7737 laptop, after replacing my 250GB SATA disk with a 500GB SSD hard drive. I installed Void on it and followed what you did in this video. It's running extremely fast & smooth and this may be a keeper for me! Thanks a lot!
As always, your passwords are impressively strong & complex!
I like how minimal it is. I like to install everything myself from the ground up.
Go BSD than
>gentoo
Then try linux fron scratch
@@neon13x haha 🤣
Go for lfs then, I dare you 🤣
I love void, I have been using it on my main laptop for several months and it’s good to see it getting attention
I'm appreciating your contribution & support for void linux through this video.
Thanks for having a rundown of Void. I've heard some people talking about how nice it is, but I always come to you -- to get your take on it. And, you do explain it and overview it well, DT.
Great stuff! I love the comments at the end of the video also XD
I really like Void's footprint in the system. It's really a great distribution for lighter weight needs, but it can be tuned to be a real workhorse. Thanks DT. 👍
How does it compare to Arch (no fighting plz 🤣)
@@TexasBaker pretty good actually. Packages seem a little more stable and dependencies tested. It is a rolling release, but it feels more akin to Slackware-Current in how they build the packages. You in don't just get one update, you kinda get a string of stuff rebuilt against other stuff, even if it's the same version. It's still minimalistic though, but one good thing, runit is very light on resources as an init. PID1 is forked as needed rather than everything crammed into it. Feels very clean compared to systemd. Been using mostly in virtual but I have considered it as a daily driver.
@@TexasBaker Arch is like fiat while void is like ferrari
Which use less ram? Arch Xfce or Void Xfce?
@@steriftes Void but that’s because runit is smaller.
The first distro I fell in love with was arch and I tried void and had to switch my main machine over. It’s not as convenient as arch as it doesn’t have the AUR but it’s nice to have a distro that hasn’t been spun a million times. All the software I personally use was already in their repositories.
I never used arch, but often times when I hear in a video "it's in the AUR", I look in the standard void repo and it's there too. Which always leaves me wondering why everyone loves the AUR so much...
@@pdote As I understand it, the main Arch repos are actually pretty small compared to other major distros, so the AUR actually has to pick up the slack quite a bit to supply packages that are already avaible in say the Debian repos. That being said their are a lot of more obscure programs in the AUR that Void doesn't have.
Void also supports the Raspberry Pi and it can be easily installed by partitioning the SD card and unpacking a tarball.
void is awesome, ofc there's some potential for improvment, especially at that installer, but the blazing fast package manager is worth the little quirks
the installer is incredible. it's simple, can be an upside or a downside, but you can't deny it's bad or slow
Void vs solus ?
I really like the installer: it's very simple, you can go through it in a few minutes and have a new install up in well under 10 minutes in total.
@@rishirajsaikia1323 Never used Solus, but I think it is in a completely different class than Void...
@@rishirajsaikia1323 Solus is more beginner friendly and is preconfigured, kind of like Ubuntu, whereas Void is much more minimal and requires more configuring etc, kind of like Arch, and it uses a different init system (runit) because of which some things are done differently than with systemd, but it is still great. Both are nice, independent distributions, for sure.
Excellent distro, i used Archlinux from years and Void is now my avorite working distro ;)
Was halfway expecting a flex of effortlessly coming up with a regular expression when these version numbers came up on the software list lol
The xcheckrestart is neat. Prevents having to restart all the time after updating the system. Nice!
I've looked into the void too - luckily I was able to come back
If I wasn't so happy with Arch, I would seriously look at Void. I too love minimal distros and build them myself.
Void Linux is amazing! Daily driver for 7 months after switching from FreeBSD. Awesome.
FreeBSD user here that moved to Void on the desktop and I would have loved them to have an /etc/rc.conf file like FreeBSD :) Extremely intuitive and easy to use!
The creator of void was the mantainer of NetBSD, so he tried making the Init system and the package manager as BSD-like as possible
Really need to dip my toes into BSD. Currently running Manjaro.
> There’s too many hard dependencies on systemd
- I’m not a systemd hater but if I were, that would definitely be where I draw the line. “My init system controls what packages I can download”
That's one of my biggest issues with systemd. You can go back and forth, arguing about philosophical issues with it, but the issue here is that it's just become normal to assume that linux = systemd and that every single system runs it, allowing devs to depend on it for the most random bullshit. It's the lack of freedom that pisses me off the most.
@@encrypt3d587 I actually think that's a good thing as it provides a standard interface for applications where there previously was none, and helps with the serious fragmentation problem that Linux has. As long as tools like elogind and eudev exist to provide those interfaces without systemd, you can still enjoy whatever init system you prefer.
Thanks for the intro to Void Linux.
I might try xfce if I can get rid of the redundant dock features in the top bar where it shows the tabs of the applications that are currently open. I only need/want one dock and I want to use Plank in the bottom center.
Dt , how you use the hotkeys (keyboard shortcuts) on your linux machine to split window, open web browsers, opening terminal without touching your mouse? It would be great to beginner linux users !
Would you be interested in covering Bedrock Linux? The concept seems very intriguing, though probably high-maintenance.
Yeah, meta linux is crazy concept. Would like video about it :-)
Hello DT just wanted to check some info since I am using int 4th gen laptop with arch Linux and I get some kind of kernal panic everything freezes out and it doesn't get resolved till I force restart the laptop, this doesn't happen with windows or Ubuntu based distros only in vanilla arch so is there any suggestions
I wonder if it'd be possible to chain musl (I'm not sure how it's spelled and I'm on mobile so I'm just gonna keep typing) and glibc together to run under musl first and then switch to glibc for programs that need it.
My biggest issue with void is that the installer doesn’t have any options for encryption. I haven’t tried setting up the encrypted volume beforehand, but if I’m gonna have to do all that work anyways might as well just go arch. Void is beautiful for its resource usage and ease of install, but I wish it’s install program had encryption.
Hey dt! have you make a review of 'Trident' project? (start in BSD and move to Void Linux)
lol @ the CREED shirt. everything makes sense now
What makes sense
Couple things… “xbps-query -Rs” searches both repos AND locally installed, if you have just the -R searches repos only. Also, the installer isn’t ncurses, it’s a set of shell scripts that uses dialog.
both your points are false.
-Rs actually searches for packages in the repository whereas just -R returns the template details of the package foo as in the repository; and dialog uses ncurses
I still remember the first time i saw VL in distrowatch at the last place
You can make a guide, how to install TWM with the void base install .
My god I have been trying to do this for about a month and can't even get out of the default tty (have followed the void wiki instructions) . I desperately need some sort of tutorial as I have tried everything I can find with no luck!
@@D6Soldier I actually found a guide to install it using stack by someone called Brian buccola , but you need to install a number of dependencies before it can compile correctly.
Did everything in the guide and got xmonad to run on my base installation!
Hurricane time today! That's for your videos man will give me something to watch while the powers out
I'm trying to install Voidlinux on my Mac Mini right now. There's a PowerPC32 and 64 bit as well. Void is nice so far, I'm just learning how to use the package manager right now, getting used to the little quirks
Seeing the Output of this pakage manager and I am feel, why I love DNF so much.
The installer program seems like based on the FreeBSD installer (the color, steps, and that "install from internet" option).
Void was created by a former NetBSD developer, so a lot of things in it mimic BSD.
Void is so great distro for me, it's playfull and had some great learning curve. And it works!
how to make active Nvidia discrete grafic in a HP Omen laptop with Void ? It keeps using the integratet Intel, even after installing Nvidia driver
the nvidia package includes an executable called "prime-run" which runs an application with the dedicated nvidia gpu. This type of integrated Intel dedicated Nvidia setup is called Nvidia Optimus and there are also 3 other alternative methods to take advantage of it. Void documentation has a page for this ("NVIDIA Optimus")
It's basically Artix for people who think Arch is too mainstream.
@Lee Artix was made by Arch users who hate systemd. Void is much different as it isn't based on Arch and actually has an installer instead of manually setting it up with the command line.
Hey DT, can you make a video covering xbps-src? Not a lot of people tend to go in-depth when explaining its usage
I mean, it's so simple you don't really need to go in-depth about it. It's explained somewhere in the void handbook, I believe.
Btw, you will talk about Crunchbang++ Debian Distro?
When you look into Void Linux, does it stare back?
Hey DT, you should make a vid taking a look at Elvish (on Arch repos) and maybe some other shells you haven't on the channel.
The black magic shell.
Void linux is a both binary and source distro
The distro of my dreams
I just installed the 32-bit version in an old laptop with minimal resources and seems ok. It definetely has some rough edges, but feels more solid and easier to use with xfce4 than freebsd.
I'll have to try the 32 bit. I've got an old tower that isn't doing anything and a 80 GB drive there's not much I can do with it.
Switched from debian 11. I'm surprised. Fresh core, nothing more, no bloatware, fast and undemanding. The entire set of software I need is in the stock repository.
Thanks for clear review for this very under-rated distro!
I know installing xfce4 on arch shouldn t be hard but im just getting a Black screen on startup. Could you do a tutorial how to install xfce4 on arch? Or at least Tell me why that happens. thanks.
(installed xfce4 xfce4-goodies yorg gdm(coz lightdm didnt want to boot). I linked gdm with command systemctl enable gdm )
For me Void Linux is the best rolling release distro, xbps is awesome.
Strong and complicated password. Love it. :)
I always use a VM for privacy where I revert snapshot and wipe everything out after a session. Something like Void looks like a good choice for this when wanting to do browsing and avoid trackers.
TailsOS is what you're looking for then
@@nobodycares_dude or qubes
Getting ready to try something more advanced after running Mint for years.
Want to love Devuan, but it's really rough around the edges (the available install ISO for AM64 DVD doesn't even work!). Friend suggested I try Void.
Might be time to truly step out of my comfort zone.
That installer brought me back to my Slackware days.
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm still using Slackware on my personal machines, despite all the other Linux distributions I've run into through work and other ways, simply because it has far fewer "What the hell were they thinking!" moments than any other distribution I've experienced. If anything were ever to happen to Slackware then Void looks like a good replacement; I'll have to bring it up in a virtual machine and have a play.
The distress at finding vim not installed was tangible :)
vim is bloat
DistroTube, could you guide a noob as to how to install everything gaming related on void linux to have a gaming focused linux with as little overhead as possible?
Void and arch are like Ying and yang. love both, different use case great distros.
Hey man, I think you should make educational video in a more of a sequential academic style. more like a course. some people you addressed were talking about making a udemy course. I think they want that not as a monetary tool. but to get educational content in more of an academic style. bit off topic. great video keep it up!
I started to prefer manual installation using xbps over the installer. It's easier to understand, what's going on.
I know this is off topic DT but have you ever thought of doing a small server business?
Often the default root password on live images is "toor" (root reversed).
Ever since I moved onto Arch, I've had a lot of recommendations to hop and use Void instead. At least on my daily driver laptop, I'll keep using Arch but I've seriously considered making the full hop and turn my desktop into Linux. When I do that, I'll definitely be choosing Void. It's wicked fast, very minimalist, with a big repository, AND most importantly, the existence of xdeb.Xdeb alone makes Void so much worth it.
also! Based on what I see and what you show on your video, DT, Void looks like the runner up on being a top distro, which imho it should be. Void is awesome
are you using musl? I'd like to know if using musl cancause issues with some programs, I don't know what version install on my pc
He is the true geek! Thanks DT.
Finally! A man who will correctly pronounce 'sudo'. What a relief.
can anybody comment on how well steam/lutris/nvidia drivers are handled on Void? I don't outright need my hand held but I'm getting old and don't want to have to fight the system for half an hour every time I want to play a game.
void-repo-nonfree contains steam
Those are all available in the Void repos. I've been using Void since February and haven't had any issues with them, at least nothing that you wouldn't have to deal with on other Linux distros.
Try Project Trident (lumina desktop), to Void linux, it’s like what’s Ubuntu to Debian.
Thank you, this is a great review.
Glad it was helpful!
Very Slackware-esq looking, from the text-based installer to package selection. Fast lightweight system.
Hm, No systemd?
Me like a lot
(Old Unixbeard)
void is one of my fav distros. sadly the mirrors is too faraway for my liking. and the mirrors for asia are usually outdated or unmaintained, i wonder if it is okay now.
its the 1st time I heard about this distor!!
I think the intro of Dt's channel would be "One of the ..."
How I can install my favorites programs ??...
sudo xbps-install ....
I appreciate all those people making efforts to release a Linux distro, but there are so many distros if all of those talented people come together to develop for at least 3 or 4 distros, Linux would be more amazing than already is.
Fragmentation has been a problem forever on Linux. It has benefits, but it also dilutes effort.
On a list of pentium 4 distros this looked good going to give it a whirl.
I think Void will be my Linux endgame
Used to really like Void with enlightenment...nice
Void? Crazy, I was literally just working some jank out on an artix-runit vm I had going
I run Artix runit as main
You can install Qtile on any distro with pip. Since it's just a python script, it doesn"t have to be in the repositories.
In fact, it's more up-to-date with pip. I had an issue with Qtile on Fedora a while back because I was using it from the system package and it seemed mismatched with the docs because the dnf package was a few versions behind.
I have used void in the past, I like how it uses runit but I dont like the package manager
Agreed, the package manager is a big turn off for me, which is why I use Manjaro mate as it has the excellent Pamac package manager.
We got Arch Linux and Void Linux, now I really can't wait for Solar Linux, Windows 11: Stasis Edition and Windows 11: Strand Edition
Hope you are okay! Hope your power comes back soon!
Quality content
18:10 I guess this also works with RegEx quiete easily
if the system is not even using glibc, why the heck it is still called 'GNU/Linux'..? it seems to be GNU part of the code base is not compulsory any more.
What's wrong with nano? :D
why didnt he make a boot partition?
Interesting video
You can easily install Qtile on Void using pip
On your list, I really miss Kell of Devils!
My Linux clinic for the day
Hey wishing you the best of luck with Hurricane Ida this Sunday, the 16th anniversary of Hurricane Katrina.
I usually just choose a distro for how good the name is, and in that aspect Void is at the top of the list.
The only issue is that I'm still kind of new to this, and there's a lot more documentation for Systemd.
Non-SystemD init systems don't mess up as often as SystemD, so unless you're a developer, you'll probably be fine.
This would be my got to after arch and gentoo. Mainly to see what a non systemd system would be like. I wish their logo looked a better though.
@DragonEggBedrockBreaking I know, but it maybe tedious to install because of the compile times.
@DragonEggBedrockBreaking yea
Artix
@@filipefaray2509 yeah I will think about that one too
You could always look at Devuan that has sys v init. Easy install.