This is the greatest deck i have ever seen. Throwing worms at people kills them 40-100% it seems. Im sick in bed, and this still made my day. Thanks for that.
In that case I believe before conceding Seth should take a minute and reach every card in his hand. He's often threw games by hitting that concede button instead of just winning. I do understand his mindset, but it is sadly just plain wrong, unless you're playing for fun rather than playing to win, which is completly fine, but if you're actually trying to win, what he's doing is most definitly wrong.
57:42 Eldritch Evolution your Ghalta for Worldspine Wurm. Going from a 12/12 trample to a 15/15 trample that leaves a present behind seems like a good upgrade
I really feel like Azusa, Lost but Seeking would be really strong in this deck for a few reasons, eldrich evolution works with her to find the win con, and she keeps lands out of your hand so you don't get stuck with them when trying to discard... (Is Azusa modern legal?)
Is ingot chewer kinda better than ancient grudge in this deck? Not instant speed and no flashback, but it is a 4 power creature so it's a little extra damage if you whiff with it in hand, and it costs only 1 red if evoked.
Seth, can you make a Brewer's Minute based on which ramp is better - Odd-mana or Even-mana ramp I like the Odd package with Birds of Paradise and Hierarch, but they often get destroyed very early on. I like Sakura Tribe Elder and Explore as well, but there are times where the first turn Arbor Elf can block a Goblin and the one attack step mattered against aggro. I know it's mainly an issue of the deck and the payouts they are meant to ramp into, but even-ramp has the plus advantage of cycling themselves or thinning the deck briefly. In addition, Odd ramp has the mana efficiency advantage. Is it recommended to play only one type exclusive or both types? If both, is there a healthy ratio to aim for?
Was a noose constrictor type card not worth the cost? So you can make your hand just the big thing when you cremate? Not like a bunch of them but maybe 1 to tutor up.
think key to the city would be solid in this deck, can discard to trim your hand as well as making stuff unblockable to get in the few points of damage you need.
Two thoughts. First, even though you got lucky a few times, in each of those games you were unlucky to miss a window to just draw a land and then win. So in that way you could see it a wash in the luck department. Second, what do you think about a Noose Constrictor or two?
Maybe you could cut the middle curve creatures for combustible gearhulks, indomitable creativity and more mana dorks? Make it higher risk higher reward. I also feel like the sb could use a nourishing shoal since thats immediate lights out against some deck just gaining twelve to 15. Kiki-Jiki might also be great.
In your first match against the 4th round bant deck couldnt you of grabbed a fana shamman over the huntsmaster so if u drew any creature aka ur birds u drew u ditch it for a wurm and dome them for the win, i know u were playing to buy a turn but think there u would of still got that turn, i didnt add up the board i dont know if had to do huntmaster for the extra blocker or not but that could of been a line we took also
At 8:30 why not just bolt the guildmage during your end step or second guild mage and not give them the extra Mana? If it had resolved you would have lived? Am I missing something
The real way to do this deck involves Death's Shadow, Goyf, Bob, SSG + Mishra's Bauble, and Kolaghan's command. Dump your hand, and chuck a shadow at them since it's always 13/13 in hand. Command either buys back a dead shadow to enable it or you can target yourself with the discard mode to ensure a hit. The regular beatdown plan is a lot better too. 20 Lands 4 Simian Spirit Guide 4 Mishra's Bauble 4 Death's Shadow 4 Lightning Bolt 4 Thoughtseize 1 IoK 4 Dark Confidant 4 Tarmogoyf 2 Grim Flayer 1 Scavenging Ooze 4 Eldritch Evolution 3 Kolaghan's Command 1 Cremator SB 4 BoP 1 Magus of the Moon 1 Eidolon of Rhetoric 1 Phyrexian Revoker 1 Huntmaster + some flex slots which can be more 2-drops like Eidolon of the Great Revel Can also run summoner's pact to help empty hand (since you can either grab a wurm/ghalta or just fail to find to go down a card)
Maybe in Sultai, with mana dorks to power out a turn 3 win: Turn 1 bird+land turn 2 mage + bird+land turn 3 land+mindcrank+mage activation, attack if necessary
At 8:37, I don't think you lose by playing Eldritch Evolution. Usually when I think you've missed something, it's just me not thinking it through all the way, but I genuinely can't figure out his window to win in response here. Cast Eldritch Evolution, sac a creature as part of the cost; he can't pop the trigger before it hits the graveyard. Eldritch Evolution exiles itself, so no triggers. Get Cragganwick and discard a card, but it deals damage as part of the resolution of that ability, so if you toss a Wurm or Ghalta, you win before the trigger matters. Am I messing that up somehow?
I wonder how this cragmaw cremator could work in a jund death shadow deck with stuff like Lilliana to get rid of non-hits and bloodbraids to Jank it out.
Midna light It would have put them to 3, and he would have to pass, opp would just flip the thing and attack both and win. Is it not the same scenario as when he discarded ghalta?
HRPufnsting Depends on how many trackers and cremators are left. Usually there'll be more cremators so he should play the lands but sometimes he should hold them
Melissa Grenier also gotta bluff u got stuff in hand to interact with but with this specific deck u would have to be abandoning the cremtor plan because u don't think it will win u the game but bluffing u have stuff might
There was one game he didn't play and crack a fetch that could have been used to thin the deck, I think he even drew a land when he didn't want to(was like game three or four maybe don't remember). Though I'm all for holding extra lands to help bluff it seems slightly counterproductive to keep extra stuff in hand when your main win combo relies on you pitching cards at random and hoping the card is a creature.
Your so lucky you didn’t get a mono filter land hand with this deck. Playing a play set of filter lands is super odd. Also, putting two board wipes in the sideboard is weird, especially in a go-wide deck like this. Something like beast within is probably better than the slagstorm.
Not really that lucky, getting 3 copies of a 4-of in your opener is like three games in a thousand, even less likely that you don't have any other lands.
Sam Matthias if he bolted at 8:30ish, the opponent could've just activate the Guildmage in response, which would have caused Seth to lose one life and the combo would go off
I feel like the best option would've been to bolt the strangleroot geist and then eat it with the ooze before the guild mage enters to make it a 3/3 so your opponent can't attack in or start the combo. I mean you are still dead to any removal, discard, random damage, mill, or a light breeze, but at least then you might have the out of a random swing in with Ghalta or something before your opponent gets to 7 mana for the guaranteed kill. Super unlikely, but possible...ish
So thought of an idea How would a land that could tap for three specific mana but enters tapped if you control a land work. Would it be op? Just to clear up, my three mana I mean three specific individual mana. Compare it to the dual lands on kaladesh.
Compare this to bounce lands like Izzet Boilerworks. It always enters tapped (already worse than your proposed land), requires you to set yourself back a land drop, AND only produces 2 mana. Your land would be massively overpowered
That 50/50 in game one could have been easily solved by having Panharmonicon :D
You're not wrong :D
Zakana «easily»
Panharmonicon, solves all of our problems.
This is the greatest deck i have ever seen. Throwing worms at people kills them 40-100% it seems. Im sick in bed, and this still made my day. Thanks for that.
Noose Constrictor seems really good here.
take out the Magus of the Moon and Huntmaster to run 2 or take the Finks out as well to play the playset?
Yes! It is a fine aggro card and it really helps to combo of with cremator
That is what was thinking along with maybe a couple madness cards like Fiery Temper.
Holy Moly you should rename this channel "Breakfast at Baskin Robbins" with all those early scoops.
No, Seth scoops when he's salty
Mitch no Uh he scoops when there's no point in continuing, I'll admit he scoops early sometimes, but this game there was none of that.
Thanks for your observation.
In that case I believe before conceding Seth should take a minute and reach every card in his hand. He's often threw games by hitting that concede button instead of just winning. I do understand his mindset, but it is sadly just plain wrong, unless you're playing for fun rather than playing to win, which is completly fine, but if you're actually trying to win, what he's doing is most definitly wrong.
He's bad so he can scoop whenever he feels like he played wrong, which is often.
4:20 if you burned the guild mage on EOT you could have played both ooze and finks. Were you concerned about spell pierce or something?
yeah thats what I was thinking
This deck felt like watching that Galta-Gearhulk standard deck from a while back... Absolutely love it!
call me crazy but i think a 5/4 for 4 that says flip a coin if heads you win the game is pretty good.
It requires a lot of setup
CSDragon - It certainly does, but the deck itself plays like a midrangey stompy deck.
The crocodile resets strangleroot undying triggers, so that my assumption for why it’s in the list.
when the chance is 50/50 and thats the good chance?... ooph
my question is why there wouldn't be 4 obstinate baloths on mainboard. seems damn juicy with the cremator trigger
This is a pretty cool hearthstone deck
hahaha SUCH a hearthstone deck
So you're gonna go back and play the Krark's Thumb deck after this?
I'm not sure that I'm that lucky.
how bout krak's other thumb deck
57:42 Eldritch Evolution your Ghalta for Worldspine Wurm. Going from a 12/12 trample to a 15/15 trample that leaves a present behind seems like a good upgrade
yeah surprised he missed that, its so unlikely to get the combo from that position
Oh my god Seth actually said Stomping Ground instead of Stomping Grounds in this video, it's a miracle
Oops. My bad.
I got really confused by those coin flips, thought this was hearthstone for a minute
The most interesting matches here with Saff. Good show my good Sir!
I really feel like Azusa, Lost but Seeking would be really strong in this deck for a few reasons, eldrich evolution works with her to find the win con, and she keeps lands out of your hand so you don't get stuck with them when trying to discard... (Is Azusa modern legal?)
Why did you scoop when they killed your Ooze round 1 game 3? Also why didn’t you bolt the Guildmage earlier? I’m so confused.
...1:17:55 for 5 matches. 5 EDITED matches. This is gonna be grindy
Yeah, it was pushing three hours before editing. Lots of three game matches.
I think Death's Shadow would be great here
Death's Shadow's power and toughness is affected by your life at all times, including while in your hand.
Not true. Only on the battlefield. It is a 13/13 in all other zones.
Is ingot chewer kinda better than ancient grudge in this deck? Not instant speed and no flashback, but it is a 4 power creature so it's a little extra damage if you whiff with it in hand, and it costs only 1 red if evoked.
Out of curiosity, why no Combustible Gearhulk to double up the potential damage dealing? You've already got a bunch of high cost stuff.
And Blast of Genius.
Seth, can you make a Brewer's Minute based on which ramp is better - Odd-mana or Even-mana ramp
I like the Odd package with Birds of Paradise and Hierarch, but they often get destroyed very early on. I like Sakura Tribe Elder and Explore as well, but there are times where the first turn Arbor Elf can block a Goblin and the one attack step mattered against aggro.
I know it's mainly an issue of the deck and the payouts they are meant to ramp into, but even-ramp has the plus advantage of cycling themselves or thinning the deck briefly. In addition, Odd ramp has the mana efficiency advantage.
Is it recommended to play only one type exclusive or both types? If both, is there a healthy ratio to aim for?
We did one one Ramp Math a while ago, it mostly depends on on the deck.
I look forward to this every Sunday.
Me too!
1:04:00 when you don't eat the land to shrink the Knight of Reliquary !punt
If you could flicker Cremator to spill out your hand to up your damage and percentages this would be insane
Why did this work so well
Can someone explain why he was dead to fatal push? Against the combo deck?
I probably should have let the kill happen so you could see it. Oops!
Was a noose constrictor type card not worth the cost? So you can make your hand just the big thing when you cremate? Not like a bunch of them but maybe 1 to tutor up.
I think that Noose Constrictor could be a really good addition.
think key to the city would be solid in this deck, can discard to trim your hand as well as making stuff unblockable to get in the few points of damage you need.
Ohh, Key seems like good idea.
Two thoughts. First, even though you got lucky a few times, in each of those games you were unlucky to miss a window to just draw a land and then win. So in that way you could see it a wash in the luck department. Second, what do you think about a Noose Constrictor or two?
Having a way to discard at will seems like it could be good. It would be nice to not have to worry about accidentally discarding a land to Cremator.
Why does Seth have 11 Masterpiece Capsizes?
Actually, MTGO was grouping all of the Capsizes together, so I probably have 10 Tempest Capsives from drafting and one Masterpiece.
Maybe you could cut the middle curve creatures for combustible gearhulks, indomitable creativity and more mana dorks? Make it higher risk higher reward. I also feel like the sb could use a nourishing shoal since thats immediate lights out against some deck just gaining twelve to 15. Kiki-Jiki might also be great.
In your first match against the 4th round bant deck couldnt you of grabbed a fana shamman over the huntsmaster so if u drew any creature aka ur birds u drew u ditch it for a wurm and dome them for the win, i know u were playing to buy a turn but think there u would of still got that turn, i didnt add up the board i dont know if had to do huntmaster for the extra blocker or not but that could of been a line we took also
41:31 why didn't you drop a land and replay Kitchen Finks?
At 8:30 why not just bolt the guildmage during your end step or second guild mage and not give them the extra Mana? If it had resolved you would have lived? Am I missing something
Oh I see, they could have in response activated the guildmage
Yea, they had two activations.
"Help protecc your decc"
I would say this is a spicy brew but I think creamy is more fitting
You could use discard effects to sculpt hand and the discard dudes are aggresive.
How did you not sac your galta to get your wurm and went for tireless tracker?
Have you thought about running free discard like noose constrictor? You could get a lot more kills by dealing 15 damage guaranteed.
Seems like you want Combustible Gearhulk to spin the wheel again, or at least get some draws so it's easier to actually cast Ghalta sometimes.
That's X-COM, baby!
In match 1 game 2 could the opponent block and kill one of your attackers with the guild mage, activate it's ability and then win?
I wonder if running abundance as a 1 of could be useful in this deck o.O
that was prolly the whorst mindcrank deck ive ever seen^^
The real way to do this deck involves Death's Shadow, Goyf, Bob, SSG + Mishra's Bauble, and Kolaghan's command. Dump your hand, and chuck a shadow at them since it's always 13/13 in hand. Command either buys back a dead shadow to enable it or you can target yourself with the discard mode to ensure a hit. The regular beatdown plan is a lot better too.
20 Lands
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Mishra's Bauble
4 Death's Shadow
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Thoughtseize
1 IoK
4 Dark Confidant
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Grim Flayer
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Eldritch Evolution
3 Kolaghan's Command
1 Cremator
SB
4 BoP
1 Magus of the Moon
1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Huntmaster
+ some flex slots which can be more 2-drops like Eidolon of the Great Revel
Can also run summoner's pact to help empty hand (since you can either grab a wurm/ghalta or just fail to find to go down a card)
I really like traxos, think you could make a fun deck with him?
I think Traxos has some combo potential.
MTGGoldfish maybe a mono blue historic deck, with traxos as a big beater
We all love to gamble!
That first deck you played against was really cool.
It is super sweet. We need to play it sometime.
Maybe in Sultai, with mana dorks to power out a turn 3 win: Turn 1 bird+land
turn 2 mage + bird+land
turn 3 land+mindcrank+mage activation, attack if necessary
Games start at 3:07
This was a fun one lol
At 8:37, I don't think you lose by playing Eldritch Evolution. Usually when I think you've missed something, it's just me not thinking it through all the way, but I genuinely can't figure out his window to win in response here. Cast Eldritch Evolution, sac a creature as part of the cost; he can't pop the trigger before it hits the graveyard. Eldritch Evolution exiles itself, so no triggers. Get Cragganwick and discard a card, but it deals damage as part of the resolution of that ability, so if you toss a Wurm or Ghalta, you win before the trigger matters. Am I messing that up somehow?
Hmm, I think you might be right. I wasn't think about Eldritch Evolution exiling itself.
I would love Croc Evolution.
22:13 Seth was about to say "Aaaagainst the odds", I know it
Almost did :)
You figured out how to make Amulet of Quoz tournament-legal.
I wonder how this cragmaw cremator could work in a jund death shadow deck with stuff like Lilliana to get rid of non-hits and bloodbraids to Jank it out.
Hmm, maybe.
2nd game why didn't you bolt the 2/2?
@23:20 Anyone who knows mtg should know that an extra turn for 2 mana is brutal no matter what stage of the game.
I guess it is sort of Time Walk :)
hahahahaha GASP hahahaha GASP don't overdo it, mate.
This is such a modern deck
You should do a brewers' minute on play or draw
Craggenwick Cremator is like a super janky Hazoret too.
i feel this deck wants faithless looting and tormenting voice effects
Today, we decide some matches with coin flips, triggering competitive judges everywhere.
How would you have won if you discarded the wurm at 25:55?
3 extra damage= lethal
Midna light It would have put them to 3, and he would have to pass, opp would just flip the thing and attack both and win. Is it not the same scenario as when he discarded ghalta?
Cremator deals damage = the discarded creature's power, not cmc. The Worldspine Worm would deal 15 damage, and opponent was at 14.
Kyro4Productions Oh my mistake lol. Thanks for the answer
"15 damage doesn't do anything here!" hello, it puts them at 5! :D
this deck needs a discard outlet, to make those random discard work in your favour
Seth keeping lands in hand and not playing them is going to give me an ulcer.
HRPufnsting Depends on how many trackers and cremators are left. Usually there'll be more cremators so he should play the lands but sometimes he should hold them
Melissa Grenier also gotta bluff u got stuff in hand to interact with but with this specific deck u would have to be abandoning the cremtor plan because u don't think it will win u the game but bluffing u have stuff might
Boss Tsuna Yeah that's obvious so I didn't mention it. Everybody's first thought is hold the land to bluff.
There was one game he didn't play and crack a fetch that could have been used to thin the deck, I think he even drew a land when he didn't want to(was like game three or four maybe don't remember). Though I'm all for holding extra lands to help bluff it seems slightly counterproductive to keep extra stuff in hand when your main win combo relies on you pitching cards at random and hoping the card is a creature.
I need to make a video about deck thinning math.
I would think the eldrizi would be good in this deck, and blue for drawing or something like that.
Seth it looks like you cant always be unlucky. 🍀🍀🍀
Your so lucky you didn’t get a mono filter land hand with this deck. Playing a play set of filter lands is super odd. Also, putting two board wipes in the sideboard is weird, especially in a go-wide deck like this. Something like beast within is probably better than the slagstorm.
Not really that lucky, getting 3 copies of a 4-of in your opener is like three games in a thousand, even less likely that you don't have any other lands.
Why didny you bolt in game 2 match 1?
Sam Matthias if he bolted at 8:30ish, the opponent could've just activate the Guildmage in response, which would have caused Seth to lose one life and the combo would go off
I had the same thought at first
I feel like the best option would've been to bolt the strangleroot geist and then eat it with the ooze before the guild mage enters to make it a 3/3 so your opponent can't attack in or start the combo. I mean you are still dead to any removal, discard, random damage, mill, or a light breeze, but at least then you might have the out of a random swing in with Ghalta or something before your opponent gets to 7 mana for the guaranteed kill. Super unlikely, but possible...ish
In game 2 vs UB combo you should evolution into magus of the moon to mess their mana
game 1 against UW control, why not play the windbreak heights and sac it to thin your deck of land? would have broken up the land draws you had.
Hates missing land dops
Keeps land light hands.
Why does it feel like U Turns always uses the same BFZ Island?
Summoner's Pact?
if you recasted kitchen finks the next turn you could have hard cast gahalta
Better to be lucky than good
Nice.
At 1:06:50ish, you could have used eldrch evo, searched for a worldspine in response to the path
Elsdrich Evo is sorcery
Yeah, this is the problem.
Kinda really sucks that eldrich evo is a sorcery
I've never heard of mindcrank combo before.
It's fringe, but it's pretty interesting.
Why not run summoner's pact?
Could be a good addition.
59:15 why not attack with everything and do the rest with cremator / evo into cremator
35:09 too greedy? do you know what your fire-lit thickets do?
would he ever desire to drop a blood moon on the blue player who already has an island out?
I was afraid the opponent would play Blood Moon.
Omg those tokens
Sadly, no space for a free discard outlet like noose constrictor.
The captions say "pass the turd"
The captions don't like me very much.
at 33:24 should have revealed hand for the rub-ins
Was this a competitive league?
So thought of an idea
How would a land that could tap for three specific mana but enters tapped if you control a land work. Would it be op? Just to clear up, my three mana I mean three specific individual mana. Compare it to the dual lands on kaladesh.
that would be the single most broken land ever printed oh my god
Its arguable, but doesnt seem bad at face value
Compare this to bounce lands like Izzet Boilerworks. It always enters tapped (already worse than your proposed land), requires you to set yourself back a land drop, AND only produces 2 mana. Your land would be massively overpowered
A land that tapped for 3 mana and enters tapped regardless would be insane so yours would be way better.
Yes, it would be incredibly broken, even if it just always entered tapped it would be incredibly broken.
Why isn't this called Against the Odds?
Because it actually worked! (Actually, because it was an Instant Deck Tech deck).
Good point :D Thank you for the great content!
Weaponized variance. Sounds like hallowed one.
frogtosser banneret needs to be in goblin storm.
Why not have Emrakul in this deck?
Not searchable i guess
We mostly want top-end threats we can tap or Eldritch Evolution into.
Remember to get some fresh air, and maybe cut back on the sugar/caffeine?
Have fun, but it's just a game. Nobody wants you to get a heart attack.
The luck is real!!!
Cremator + Death's Shadow
ATO : mindcrank. Play this build of it.
I'm guessing the guy who made this deck misread the card and was discarding cards of his choice xD
It sort of works though.