How To Use A biscuit Jointer - The Basics Of Making A Wardrobe (Perfect For Wardrobe Diy'er) #67
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- I show you ALL the basics you need to know to machine biscuit slots, and drill your screw holes to make any carcass, whether its a wardrobe, bookshelf, window seat or alcove unit etc...
I thought id do this video for anyone whos looking to build their own wardrobe, alcove unit, bookshelf etc...
I personally would not make any carcass without some for of connector/locator, its just not the right way of doing things!
In this case we are using the Makita pj7000 Biscuiter or Biscuit Jointer.
You can Also you a Festool Domino machine (df 500).
I find using a Biscuiter, perfect for carcasses and most wood working applications.
Domino's have their uses but i find them more useful in furniture applications ect and dont see the need to use them on carcasses.
Both the Biscuiter and bscuits are CONSIDERABLY CHEAPER than the domino machine and domino's.
In this video, I show you ALL the basics you need to know to machine biscuit slots, and drill your screw holes to make any carcass, whether its a wardrobe, bookshelf, window seat or alcove unit etc...
I also run through all the information, making it easy to understand, including all measurements and design processes you may need to know.
I hope you enjoy
Ryan
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old tech but still "good" tech nice video ryan thanx rick
Cheers Rick!
Yeah can't beat a biscuiter.... we use them for everything as there's not need to go any fancier for what we do joining wardrobe components.
Got the domino but I haven't used that for about 3 years lol
Only 2 years ago... I haven't seen a biscuit jointer used in years, except by me and my old friend, now dead. Everyone else, from handymen to long-term pros have Dominos with a few Lamellas and Mafell Duo Dowellers. Good to see I'm not alone and 10MinuteWorkshop just showed a new Lamella fixing that works with any biscuit jointer. Now retired with lots of cabinets to make in our relatively new house and for other family members, I can stick with old school and not feel like a dinosaur!
Hi, yes I guess i am old skool too :-)
Cant go wrong with a biscuiter and any other method for dowling a carcass is OTT in my opinion.
Bicuit machines and biscuits are dirt cheap, where as other types are not so it makes sense to use a biscuiter to me :-)
Nice and straight-forward, no messing about. Cheers Ryan. COYS.
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You are not wrong about trying to hold the carcass together while screwing it together. TBH I haven’t tended to use biscuits, but rely on clamping squares and clamps - definitely going to try it with the biscuits next time (had also never thought of using the biscuits “dry”)!
I've always used biscuits, just find they add a bit of strength and help massively with location, no need to clamp up the corner whilst screwing.
Yeah give it a go 😁
Will be using this method myself. Thanks mate
tip the fence over to 90 degrees to cut the biscuit mortices on the panels. use the edge of the jointer as a reference to the edge of the board. No marking out or clamps needed anywhere.... super quick ...
Nice and simple always the best way
I would most definitely add the glue to the biscuits everytime I would use a biscuit joner! I have learned when you screw and glue anything together you are ensuring a permanent bond to anyhting assembled.
Screws are strong enough to hold and it really is just a personnel choice. I tend to glue them as well but on occasion I do not use glue.
Sometimes instead of screws I will drill in dowel joints and glue them in and if I am using solid wood that is of a thick enough dimension I will cut in a floating mortise and tenon joint by chiselling it out. There are so many options open to people.
Glue can make the biscuits swell and can be noticeable in the finished cabinet. And, often, people want the option of disassembling and repositioning the unit, eg when moving house
I think there is a easy way to make biscuit joints without clamping, aligning, etc. I just adjust the fence accordingly to the material depth, present the pieces, do the marks and then just plunge, it’s very easy and quick.
If you are making a wardrobe in a workshop you can just joint it up with biscuits glue it up and then put either dowels or screws into the jointer after the glue as cured. There are just so many options available.
Really useful video again - I am planning a kitchen cabinet (1.9m wide by 40cm tall - kind of book case /display unit to hang on wall) in 18mm birch ply - I will use biscuits and screws, like you set out in your MDF job here. Can I ask , what size screws would you suggest for similar corners in ply , what size clearance holes and finally what size pilot holes in bit you are screwing into . Really appreciated and thanks for another really clear and helpful vid.
Hi, sorry I have only just seen this a little late!
Thank you!
I come in 50mm from the ends, use 3mm drill bit and use 4x50mm screws 👍👍
For use in 18mm MDF I think a buscit makes sense. Not adding any structural strength but helpful for alignment at the assembly stage.
A domino may well be overkill. Yes, it would add a little structural strength but as it's thicker, the amount of MDF left over each side of the slot would be pretty thin & if you tried bending the joint, I would expect the MDF would break as it's only a few millimeters left above & below the domino.
I could be totally wrong, having nevet used a domino, but it strikes me as more useful for things like oak & walnut. With MDF it just seems like an overpriced buscuit joiner.
Why would you even bother if you are not putting glue on the biscuit?
@@badawesome I don't understand what you mean. I alwats put glue on the joint & on the biscuit. That's the whole point of them. To help align boards & keep them flat while they are glued & clamped together.
I was just pointing out that, for this task, a Domino would be overkill. For other joints it's clearly a great option but at a premium price.
Great video and I now might be able to use my biscuit joiner that I bought a few years ago! One comment though, a suggestion... In this video and the one on parralle guides you flash up on the screen reference to oanother video. In this one I think it was about measuring up for carcases.. I wanted to watch this vid to the end but then, once I'd watched it, I wanted to go back to watch the video referenced, but I couldnt find it... Maybe you could put a link to it in your comments/notes please.. Great channel though!
Thanks for your video. I am about to make my first closet and I am wandering, why don’t you set the side panel on the bottom panel instead what you show agains the side of the bottom?
Thanks for showing us how it's done. Are the screws left exposed on the finished product?
Some are exposed, we aim to cover behind hinges and behind adj shelves 👍
When making a birch plywood wardrobe, do you sand and varnish it before making it up ?
Hi yes, there is a video on finishing birch ply on my channel 👍
Basically the components get cut, machined then sanded all over, the oiled or lacquered. Then assemble after 👍
Great video! Nice explanation
I thought I'd do something to do with woodworking for once rather than painting lol.
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop how come you stove use a drill bit with counter sink?
No need mate, not for me anyway. For timber pieces etc I would but not for any carcass as you just don't see it. Screw head gets pulled in just as well with out I think
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop I sold off my biscuit joiner last summer as wasn't really using it (although I don't get home up use most tools I have) but maybe this would have been a use for it but as you said could domino them which I have done before. I need to make some more stuff first then maybe get one again or maybe the zeta p2 as that looks useful
@@samrix5793 Also a lot more expensive per joint…?
Good understanding 👏👌👍
Great video, are they mdf screws? I normally use comfermat but find it a faff to pilot them.
I cant remember what I was screwing without watching the video
Good Video, thanks !!!
So the way you use the bench, is this centre of the timber, maybe for this 18mm timber, but if it was thicker it wouldn't be centre, so would it be better to depth set the plate and do it, I suppose there is no rules if it works then it works.
Another good video covering bread and butter techniques. Your installs always look spot on. Just one question, do you think that drilling down thru into a sacrificial sheet would save you having to clear breakout? especially with lots of components to prepare. I hate MDF Breakout, it steals my soul piece by piece! Thanks for many good tips.
Thank you, haha I love your saying, it steals your soul 😁😁.
Yeah 100% I could of, but ir doesn't make much difference to me 😁😁👍
Would it be a problem if you add glue?
No that wouldn't be a problem
Very nice video. I sometimes use Roo glue on the joints if I feel I need some extra strength. I've used biscuit joinery for many years. (I have the same Makita). Don't see any need to get the Festool Domino, unless I'm missing something?
That’s a good question. I have all 3 machines - that is a Dewalt biscuit cutter, the small domino and the large domino. I must admit that I don’t use the biscuit cutter very much now but would be reasonably happy to use it if I didn’t have the dominos. In fact, I have another machine - dedicated morticer - which could be used - and is used - to do much of the same job.
I would suggest that there are 2 reasons to buy a machine which cuts slots in 2 mating edges.
The first is easy alignment. Making 2 boards into 1 to create a larger board. In that process, I don’t think there’s any difference between the 2 types of machines because they both create the potential for good alignment. You are usually glueing long grain to long grain and the addition of a biscuit or a domino does not (I think) add much to the strength of the join.
The second is when you are joining end grain to long grain. Traditionally, you would make a mortise and tenon joint. My preference is to cut the mortise first and then make the tenon fit. It requires some practice to make this a good joint but the morticer does take most of the physical work out of it. If you add wedges to the split end of the tenon or use a Drawbore to fit a dowel, then you have increased the strength considerably by adding a mechanical joint to the proposed chemical (adhesive) joint.
In past years (which I remember well some 45 years ago) adhesive were much better than they were 100 years ago but not as good as they are today. If you have an unreliable adhesive, then it’s wise to add a mechanical element to the joint. I don’t think that, if you know what you are doing in terms of application and cramping, that you need a mechanical joint for most M&T joints. For me, a domino is nothing more or less than a loose tenon but it’s one differential from a traditional 2 x mortise and 1 x loose tenon, is the accuracy it brings saving a lot of time. You don’t have to concern yourself about making sure that each mortise matches the other. The domino, when correctly used, does all of this for you.
I’m about to make a lot of internal doors and wardrobes for our barn conversion. I have long thought the “mega tenon” system used by Manor Wood Designs on their channel, has the potential to quicken the making of some 80 M&T joints (minimum of 13 doors with 6 M&T joints in each). I’ve seen Andy from MWD make them, install them and tell us that none has failed. His system is to use the larger domino cutter to make joining mortises along the edge of each board to be joined (so, he might make 6 cuts of 40mm each to get a long mortise of less than 240mm as the next mortise will overlap the last). He then turns the board over and repeats the process on top and meeting the mortises he has just created below (therefore, if using a 12mm bit in the domino, you could end up with one slot effectively 230 x 20). He then cuts dominos/loose tenons from stock to fit these mortises. I’ve tried it and it’s easier, and possibly, the only way for me as my body complains about me using the morticer very much.
These doors will have different features in them (some will have shop made stained glass insert at the top; others will be all oak; some will have draw bores; others will have ebony square plugs hiding a draw bore in the manner of Greene and Greene).
Could I do these wardrobes and doors using a biscuit joiner? The answer is that I don’t know and the trouble is that I might not know about a failure until 2,5,10 years time. I feel safer using the “mega domino” method.
Incidentally, Andy from MWD has invested heavily into new equipment such that he can make M&T joints all by machine and is looking to find out which method is better or quicker or cheaper or….
That’s my take on the question posed
Dear Sir,
what type of vacuum cleaner do You use for this work?
Thx for Your response,
János Baumgartner
Hi, I think its a makita vacuum, I'm notnsure the model number though sorry
@@thelondoncraftsmanworkshop Thx. Could You help me with another issue? I have the same biscuit jointer (PJ7000), and I experienced that the angle guide is hard to move up and down. I inspected and there's no dust or any obstacle neither on the gear knob nor on the frame. Did You experience such an issue too? If yes, what would be the solution?
Great ! Why when i use buscuit jointer the biscuits is loose in the groove ?
Put them in water or glue and they will expand.
Is there a particular reason why you left out the rubber pieces on the Makita?
Hi to be honest I cant remember without watching the video back .
Ryan
Surprised you're using 10s, though if it's mainly bedroom furniture it doesn't have that much weight. Tended to use 20s for kitchen units as they tended to get heavier loads.
i must ask why don't you use 20 biscuits
I just got a good deal on the 10's. Both sizes do exactly the same job 👍
Merci !
Pas un probleme du tout
Thank you too!
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