Our thoughts on One D&D... | Arcane Lounge Podcast #77
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>0:00 Glasses for Spencer
>1:30 Jacob's insane, crazy eye doctor and the 5G protection rock
>5:30 oh right this is the OneD&D episode
>15:18 first thoughts on OneD&D
15:33 Backgrounds
22:40 Spells/Spell Categories/Spell Lists
25:28 "Slowed" Condition, Updated Grappling and the "Grappled" Condition
29:10 New Tieflings
31:04 Half Races
32:19 new Tiefling lore
33:19 CRITS!
>55:02 Q&A Section
1:11:00 Zeus for Philip?
I would love to see this revisited with the more recent releases on D&D One material.
With Jacob forgetting to upload for 3 months more. : D
@@admiraltonydawning3847 He didn't forget; man's got shit to do my friend.
@@Eshajori Title says otherwise. Only going by the title.
@@admiraltonydawning3847 he forgot to upload it from 2 months ago, during which they didn't film anything
@@fearofowl5973 Ironic of you responding to me.
jacob’s doctor sounds awesome i want a whole episode of doctor stories PLEASE
I feel like the crit system is so debatable because it really depends on your own personal experiences. For instance, it sounds like from your perspective crits happen a lot and your players always end up doing large bursts of damage. But from my perspective every campaign that I played whether I'm a player or DM I hardly ever see anyone crit during combat. So from my perspective, I wouldn't want to get rid of crits from rogues or paladins because it would take a lot of the exciting moments of when it does happen which again, is very rare from my experience
Jacob is in his himbo arc
Hey, fun fact. (I'll be that kind of guy because it's worth it and because you gotta know) Pathfinder 2e, actually already has since the beginning most of the things that you mentioned that are interesting and cool and some more. Speaking of spell lists also, pf2e has arcane, divine, primal and occult spell lists. They have a very savory skill and class and spell progression. They are super customizable and very appealing, you should really check it out.
edit: im at 24 so just in case the pf2 discussion comes up, im not there yet
Thank you for bringing up the point of there is a difference between just reading the book and running the adventure. For example, I am running a pre-written adventure through Pathfinder second edition and I thought the adventure would be really dumb and weird after I read through it. However, the adventure so far is pretty fun and a great low-level experience. With that perspective in mind, I will definitely take the reviews from people who have only read the book with a grain of salt because you never know it's a great adventure until you experience it.
May I ask if it's "Curse of the Extinction"? XD
@@The_Happywolf Nah it's Fall of Plaguestone
1:09:35 They start talking about Percy Jackson and I'm so hyped because I'm currently writing a campaign based on the books using Mythic Odyssey's of Theros as a base and using Piety as a mechanic for demigod players unlocking their godly powers.
Please turn up the mic for the guy off screen - at 100 volume still quiet
Absolutely missed hearing you cats go on.
Also, finally remembered to cop a shirt. Any plans for future merch? Maybe a rime themed something?
i wonder if having backgrounds be such a big part of the char will also allow them to make some crazy subclasses and classes more so now then before.
Hey Craig, there is third party supplement otter race. In the book Adventures in Rokugan (based on the 5 rings game) there's a race that can turn into one creature. I believe deer, fox, or otter. It's a pretty cool book with a lot of cool classes and races. Also a lot of new combat mechanics. Check it out if you get a chance. It's very dope, but strangely no one has been talking about it.
Furry stuff has struggle to break mainstream.
You wanted to speak with me?
I thought I should point out that in 5e, you get the effect of One D&D's slowed status whenever you go through a space one size smaller than your size. There's rules on getting through small spaces in the PHB that say when a creature moves inside a space of 5ft thinner them them (so a large creature fitting into a medium creature worth of space), they get disadvantage on attacks, reflex saves, and spend 1 foot for ever foot traveled. Its kinda cool to see that expanded upon into its own full on status in One D&D.
I don't think making all spells saves is good because taking away a player roll to hit is denying a pretty big dopamine hit. The idea is good though so "roll to hit but half damage on a miss" would be interesting
They dont need to talk about dnd just talk about needing glasses and random stuff. That's where the quality content is, seriously.
Maybe a floor rant video is allowed, things you like things you don't, maybe in a couple more months when there's a bunch of stuff
Roof rant (Jacob is on the roof)
Chronic isn’t eldritch; it’s of the neutral evil planes, so things like Yugoloths, Night hags and Demodands. “Chthonic” refers to those of Hades in Greek mythology, which works well with how the planes are laid out.
He comes bearing a kingly gift
missed you all
can't wait to see your thoughts on expert classes in a month 💕💕
Several months ago I started making my homebrew world, and the big idea I had was that arcane magic was a brand new thing. Divine magic had been around forever, but now we also have this new arcane magic and it's all about how do people and societies react to that. When I first started making that and spitballing ideas with my friends, one of them asked what about druids and rangers? And I didn't have an answer, because saying that druids and wizards were the same wasn't satisfying to me for what I was trying to go for. So I said for the purpose of the world and flavor, there were 3 categories of magic. Divine, arcane, and nature. fast forward to One DnD busting out primal magic and I had this incredible moment of "THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING!"
Hey Jacob
Question here; if you ran a pre-written campaign & decided to see your players to level 20 what would be your 1st thoughts on expanding each adventure?
(Also without adding waterdeep dragon heist to EVERY game, there are other tutorial missions lol )
I like the new exhaustion I would add some stuff to it, for every day without water you get three points of exhaustion, for every 3 days without food you get one point of exhaustion, been dealing with climate and shelter I would have a graph on your survivability, like freezing to death or heat stroke vs clothing. Just to have if you want to use it.
I mean, I still think that races should have some attribute bonuses that are tied to their lore and race description.
Like, dwarves have always been this rough and tumble race, so they can get like a +1 bonus to Constitution, while elves have always been this elegant and agile race, so they can get a +1 bonus to dexterity.
I think having a set attribute score increase and attribute score increases that are based on your background is the ideal way to go, to reflect both your character's upbringing and your character's ancestry. Hell, take a page out of Pathfinder's book and give attribute score increases based off your class as well.
I can see a time line where there is no new S.R.D., because of Hasbro wanting to double there cash and the top brass are also old M-Soft top brass. Having worked in a very similar large corporation myself I can easily see them not doing a S.R.D. for one-dnd. I HOPE TO GOD I'm wrong about this and its just me being nervous, but its wise to be ready for such a thing to happen.
small little correction for Spencer: Sally Jackson is not just a "regular human lady", she is amazing and a goddess among mortals! /lh
I sure as hell have missed my favourite comfy podcast
He didn’t forget, he was waiting for the right moment. The moment was a month ago but not the point.
The idea that kids can play a barbarian who murders people is ok, but that they could imagine being drunk would be bad :P
darn, I would like to hear what jacob thinks about the one dnd bard considering he had talked about reworking it before
But understand not wanting to constantly covering UAs
i think it would be cool if crits were like if you beat enemy ac by 1.5 you crit
So kinda how they do in PF2? ^^
@@The_Happywolf idk what your talking about sorry but probably
@@jerrin0-0 oh sorry I thought I wrote out Pathfinder. They have a crit system if you roll 10 over AC you crit!
@@The_Happywolf yeah sounds about right I think making it a multiplier thing might be better in dnd but I’m not a balancing team
Jacob should read the Percy Jackson books, I think he'd have fun with them. Or at least get ready for the Disney+ show.
Lol one man show of Temura Morrison playing all the clones
The 2 foot for every 1 foot a thing so it can stack with difficult terrain
define Smite as a Paladin abiltiy, not a spell, problem solved
So excited for primal arcade and divine arcade
Honestly, I could listen to you two go back and forth for hours, talking about just inane stuff.
Now I can stop crying violently since the podcast is here
A lot of these rule changes are really just "sometimes this thing would happen and there's no explanation of what to do so this is what everyone kinda does"
Kind of like grappling makes you slowed, we always kind of assumed that if you grappled someone and tried to pull them somewhere it would give you half movement, now it really does
Hate to be the "actually" guy, but it DOES say your movement is halved in the PHB. :P But otherwise, YES, I agree
@@PowMagicka don't lie you don't hate it ;)
That doctor sounds like a great inspiration for a BBEG/NPC
"Leeches, son, leeches solve every problem my patients have."
-Jarod the Bloodletter.
Why mess with the races though? It's moving away from what made the race unique.
Also, if races don't really matter much now, then why do humans still get all the advantages over the other races?
An extra skill proficiency, a 1st level feat, and now you get a Free Inspiration per long rest!!!
Then you take into account that increases in your ability score come from your background now and there is no drawback to picking human. In Fact is the most OP race to play.
You are going to see lots more Human BattleMaster builds but now with every other class.
They're back!
I also find it finny how this episode talked about how the character origins UA helps new players get into the game, and then the Expert UA basically went "let's make deciding your spell list far more complicated than 5e lol."
D&D 5e was orginally called D&D Next, they've been trying to move away from editions for a long time.
Y'all's insights on One DnD are very interesting. Craig definitely brought up some things that hadn't occurred to me.
Unless they’re buffing on hit spells the no crit thing is dumb.
Also there are a lot of save or suck spells that are almost useless cuz they’re always wis/dex/charisma saves and most monsters have high saves in those or the spells is pointless to those monsters
the title made me laugh so i liked lol, keep it up my dude.
I think you all misunderstood some of the rules within the playtest document, but overall I’m happy with the new rules. I really think that DM’s should crit though. Even if I’m DMing I’m still a player and I get excited when I roll a nat20 just like anyone else
Idk why but I don't particularly like the idea of all spells being saving throws, i feel like some of the attack options for spells are fun and feel different to it being ur skill at hitting things vs the opponents skill of dodging ur effect
I want a sourcebook for New Capenna over anything else
Maybe that's why they'll be doing a Inspiration on a Nat 20 is so that Spellcasters still get something on a 20?
Fascinating... I strongly prefer spells that have a to-hit roll over save spells... I don't know if I can explain why but save spells feel less reliable to me
You can buff to-hit much easier than you can your save dc.
Saving creatures have to roll below the dc to fail, whereas attacks can have equal valhe to AC to hit.
Attacks can crit.
Zeus for Philip
Can you do a spelljamer campaign? Or maybe a one shot?
You could do a video of you answering the survey as a way to share opinions without going super in depth.
I dislike when companies try to jump out of the numbered 'editions'. It just makes it hard to keep track of what you are talking about or searching for. The perfect example of confusion vs clarity, with naming, is the comparison between Xbox and PlayStation.
It is also very likely won't be the final version of D&D, just like 'WIndows 10' wasn't the final version of Windows. Its just marketing
An 'edition' doesn't have to mean all things have changed, it could just be errata if they wanted. So, calling it 6th edition (or some other number) would just makes sense, and will likely be called that anyway to keep things clear, as people will still be playing older editions too.
That said, new systems and content are fun, so I'm looking forward to new stuff.
Cthonic is Yugoloths, succubi, night hags and other fiends that arent devils or demons, not eldritch/far realms
I knew I missed these but DAMN I MISSED THESE
Low level smite should lvl up like bardic inspiration or martial arts dice
It's a new edition.
I know they got blown up heavily on alot of the content they put out during the first playtest. Though if they had plans for why they wanted it that way, it would have been great to know what they had in mind.
They did it in the worst order. The martials are the class that gets the most complaints so they should have brought out those reworks first, then casters, then experts who can be a bit of both.
What was the name of colton's channel? You dont link it anywhere and now im interested
I actually relate to martials being a bigger problem than spellcasters. Granted, the highest level I have ever DMed is 12, but even up at that level, fighters are absolute menaces. I can see barbarian being underwhelming, but rogues, fighters, and rangers in the right scenario are insane. Monk is sad in the corner in terms of damage, unfortunately.
If spellcasters have not given you trouble then your spellcaster have been very kind to not min-max their spells.
@@ruga-ventoj Idk. All the spells I see people complaining about online have never been a big problem for me.
Making all spells, including cantrips, do half damage on a successful save makes the evocation wizard's 6th level feature redundant. There are only 26 spells out of 500+ that use attack roles so this isn't solving anything.
Only 26 spells CURRENTLY. We know they are reworking several spells. And keep in mind those 26 spells include the cantrips which are the spells cast most in the game.
Where did Jacob get the Zariel banner in the background?
What I find fascinating about the one DnD thing is you can generally gauge when people started playing DnD by how readily they believe the "we're trying to go edition-less" thing. Look at any book from any edition; there is no mention of what edition it is.
So the Advanced Dungeons & Dragons 2nd Edition Players Handbook doesn’t say “2nd Edition” on it?
The 3.5 Players Handbook also says “v.3.5” on the cover
@@waltascher I knew I should have said “almost any”. I don’t actually have the PHB for 2 or 3.5, just 3, 4, and 5. At least, I’m fairly sure my PHB is from 3, it doesn’t actually say. But it is slightly different from some of the 3.5 rules I’ve seen online, so it’s probably 3. I also have a bunch of the “Complete” series, PHB2, and the Magic Item Compendium - which again don’t have any edition numbers printed on them. And it’s a constant source of debate whether our DMs DMG is 3 or 3.5, (I’m fairly sure it’s 3, but he insists it’s 3.5). The point being, I don’t have an exhaustive knowledge of DnD history, and I shouldn’t have made an absolute statement, but WotC has absolutely been pushing the “it’s just Dungeons and Dragons” long before now.
I want a fey wanderer in your wild beyond the witchlight
Tisk tisk Jacob
I watched multiple people putting in survey answers while admitting they havent even tested the stuff. I couldn't help but be annoyed... I'm interested in how it went for people's games! Also, someone said they want all the revised stuff at once, so that they can test it as a whole to understand context of how it works with other revised classes or mechanics, etc.
1:11:02 Thought yall were saying Phillip for a second. Interesting god name, there. lol
THEY ARE BACK!!
I legit hate the new changes to building characters. I've hated them since Tasha made the change, which "we swear will just be an optional choice". It no longer feels like race/species is a meaningful choice that affects gameplay or character, but is rather now just an aesthetic choice to add a little "spice" to backstory. It just makes mid/maxing more of a focus. I think character building in 5E was great. My only problem with backgrounds is that they were kind of limited in scope of choice and tied you to a certain story arc if you wanted to a certain skill. I do like the the adding of feats to backgrounds, but I think that should be in addition to the backgrounds special bonus power it granted, which often times was rather useless except in very specific scenarios.
Bloop
Bleep
Blaap.
Blomp
This might be very late feedback at this point, but I find it a little disingenuous that you criticized others for "only reading" certain content, but then later said that you didn't *even* read the whole playtest document. Not trying to be a downer, but I hope you realize that was a bit hypocritical.
Jacob, thank you for talking sense, especially when TH-camrs like Treantmonk and Indestructoboy are spreading misinformation about One DND not being backwards compatible, essentially calling WotC liars.
Is the guy behind the camera for a reason? It seems like he should just be on the podcast? He adds valuable points, so why isn't he on camera?
My only complaint about races is the half races as they currently are in the play test (unless they’ve changed it since I last looked) are more like a lite version of 1 of their parents when it comes to mechanics, you pick a racial trait from one of your parents, feels less like you’re a combination of both mechanically and more like you’re one of your two parent races but with cooler flavor
does anynone know where to find the 3 pdfs for One D&D?
D&D Beyond -> Sources -> One D&D Playtest
@@antonius1788 thanks!
Strixhaven FTW.
If the dm can no longer critically hit than they should longer critically fail
One of my house rules is if the players can do it their enemies can. I let them do crit= full damage + roll and then a hobgoblin 0 hpd two of them in one fight 😂. We went back
I had the same eye doctor! Haha he gave me one of those shungite stones
I looked up shungite and it's apparently 99% carbon? So basically a kind of coal? Time to get me some cheap shungite from the hardware store and give it to everyone as presents this christmas!
Reducing every caster to the same three spell lists is reductive. So Jacob would probably be more excited if we reduced it to one single spell list. That way there's hardly a difference between any class
Your eye doctor is literally insane wtf
PODSPLAT YAHOOOO
Zeus for Philip guys am I right
Perfect ending
Zeus for Philip?
I wanna play as a half dragon, not homebrew
The paladin talk reminded me of my main ranger fix.
I keep deft explorer but hunters mark, favored terrain, favored foe, and favored enemy are gone. In their place rangers get favored mana.
At levels 1, 6, and 14 the ranger picks one of the mana colors from Magic the Gathering. White, blue, black, red, green, or colorless.
At those levels you get your int mod in bonus languages. Also each terrain, creature type, background, habitat, and most races are tied to at least one color of mana. All dex, int, and wis ability checks related to anything tied to your favored mana are made with advantage. All weapon attacks on creatures tied to your favored mana deal one additional damage die of the weapons normal type.
I can easily see giving "favored mana: black" to all paladins anywhere from level 1 to 5. An extra damage die and advantage on checks against undead, fiends, aberrations, and creatures or races created by dark magic, curses, and magical runoff/cataclysms is a classic paladin gimmick. And it's still not enough to come close to being as broken as baseline smite.
That doctor is stupid and is doing it wrong. 1. 5g doesn't work like that. 2. that technique used right can help find points in your back and is a kinda natural way to figure out allergies. The first is more than the second. 3. It's the opposite way. First, you would have nothing in your opposite hand. so nothing in your left hand and pushing on your right. Next, you would either put something in the left hand you could be allergic to ( requires special items for real testing ). Or you push on points in the back while pushing on the same point on the right hand. This is best performed by a Chiropractor, not just some rando. If your chiropractor comes out with a towel please say no ty and walk out. That's my two cents.
Jacob, you have a bad habit of cutting people off; their opinions are valid too.
The sacred texts!
Wouldn't making a module for the "new player experience" more cookie cutter and easier to supplant into other rulesets also take the character out of the world building? If there's a wipe of racial culture or a removal of background features, then there's less of a world to understand and interact with. If kobolds and gnomes get along in later installments then there's no creative struggle of getting out of those situations. And it feels like "Monsters of the Multiverse" and "1D&D" want to remove those features for fear of "racist outcry". It feels like a hollow world.
I think this is where the supplements will come in. The sword coast guide and the Exandria guide had details about the local species relationships which would make sense going forward. The PHB discusses the multiversal trends and the setting books cover how they interact in this spot. All speculation of course.
I think the fact they have this weird team up with DnD beyond is really suspicious. Like they want us all paying subscriptions too them.
Also I feel like they are not taking the care. The ranger for example has this one really broken (and boring) ability but then its special stealth ability is dogshit.
I dont trust big companies with monopolies like WOC has, this has just lit a fire under me to make my own ttrpg that is cross compatable ish with 5e
WotC dosnt have monopoly on ttrpgs, there are many others out there, DnD is just the most popular one
Of course they want us all using D&D Beyond, WotC owns it now. It's not that weird that they're pushing people toward using it. This is also playtest, so with feedback (hopefully) they can tweak things to be better in the future release. What we're seeing now isn't a final product.
I mean, they do want your subscription but why wouldn’t they be working with their online team?
Not burned, tell that to spelljammer
I think the best thing for them to do on "one d&d" is to release a "Easy" and "Hard" version. Mainly because new players wanna play but dont wanns get bogged down by the rules.
Basically keeping as many thing AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE (Ex. Advantage is 2 dice take the higher roll and disadvantage cancels adv. Making it a straight roll.)
However Veteran players like rules to make things more complicated to make things as realistic as possible. (Advantage would be a plus 2 to your rolls however you can stack adv and disadv by a +/- 2 to get your final roll)
In the end they will want to encourage Homebrew and being able to bend the rules table by table and you will ultimately take from both modes easy & hard.
In the end it will be overly complicated to do it this way, you’ll have people wanting to play different sets of tules and you’ll have to increase the length of the new PHB and DMG books considerably.
@@kagato23 i was thinking of releasing 4 books instead of 2
Yay
Anyone else getting an ad every 7 minutes?
Would phexiains work in a campaign I might be interesting
Only 12 min into this, but my thoughts on the 2 playtests they have released so far is this; they want to make the game more clear and less nuanced or even convoluted, as well as make it more even. By the latter I mean they want to take those classes or subclasses that are really weak and buff them and take those classes that are over powered and nerf them, same thing with feats and other things. Simply put, I like this. It will mean things like GWM, CE, SS, will get a nerf, it will also mean things like Grappler, and TWF will get a buff. Ideally this would also mean wizards and bards would get nerfed while monks and Warlocks and rogues would get a bump. That is my assumption for what they are attempting, however I think they will have a difficult time. Any nerf they implement will get heavy pushback even if it is for better balance of the whole ecosystem, the other issue that they will run into is this, they are claiming this is completely backwards compatible, however what do you do with races, classes, spells and feats that were not written with this ecosystem in mind? If they are bros they would release addendum blocks with the release of the new ecosystem for all of the digital books, however that probably isn't a good business model as they are still trying to get people to buy things.
So, in summary they are setting themselves up for something that isn't actually backwards compatible but is adjustable with rolling releases, if they want to make this more friendly to their base adding adjustments for existing monsters, classes, subclasses, items, spells, etc. For their existing books at release would be the best way to keep their base happy, we will see if that is the approach they take. People are going to rage and WotC may cave and if so may just give us power creep and nothing more. I hope this isn't the case, and hope that people can understand why their go to optimization (which is everyone's go to optimization because it is better than other options) gets nerfed to be more in line.
At the end of the day I do not envy the position WotC is in.
You're already writing a lot, so please, for sake of clarity, write out the words instead of using initialisms. I play DnD and I don't know anything you said past when you started using them.
@@Loki- fair enough, great weapon master, crossbow expert, sharp shooter, two weapon fighting I think we're all of the abbreviations I used
In fairness they said ADVENTURERS would be compatible. If they did it for everything, this wouldn’t be a 5.5 it’d be a 5.1 at most for what little could be changed.
@@kagato23 not necessarily, you can change a rule that applies to everything, similar the the phb changes between 3.0 and 3.5, however the changes they are making are touching everything not just the rule glossary. In my opinion this is the difference between a new revision and a half revision. If they are going to be that impactful they should release addendum to existing books so those subclasses / monsters / items / spells fit into these new model changes.
@@kagato23 also this came out after this but covers some of the issues I discussed: th-cam.com/video/tJ0OQrLJveQ/w-d-xo.html
maybe they dont want to call it 6th edition because 6e sounds too much like "sexy"
@ArcaneArcade. frig off idiot