The whole reason this is not getting a 200.00 Tax stamp and registration is because its not a shotgun because it has no stock. So, if you add a stock to this, with a shorter barrel than allowed on "Shotguns" onto this " firearm" you have created a SBS in my opinion. I'm no lawyer but you guys should really look up the NFA rules to be legal.
This weapon falls into the same category as the Komrad 12, I have one of those as well, they come from the factory with a brace and vertical foregrip. I have not seen any regulations that makes it illegal. If you know of such regulations, please inform. Adding a stock is definitely a no no without a tax stamp.
@@IAmJohnnySnow i'm still trying to get all the damn parts for this! 3 different pieces. I got the short piece that folds and I got the brace but NO ONE has the tube that connects the whole thing!
The black left side folding adapter is VISM PN VG076 (that is a zero) and the Black Comm Spec tube to fit in the adapter is VISM PN VG094. Sold out everywhere, but I just back ordered from Optics Planet for $55 total. Will be fun picking a arm brace. Thanks for the GREAT Video, Best, Junior PS Gun on clearance at Palmetto for $299
@@37gdog The parts he's using are aftermarket parts made for other Turkish made shotguns. Don't worry about the shotgun they're made for, just use the PNs given above. They are easy to spot as they all have that "Triangular" looking male / female attachment.
Where did you get the attachment for this gun , as well as the name of the folding attachment? I'm considering the vrf14 myself , and like the idea of a folding stock.
I too have a VRF14. **The 9 round mag can be made into a 10 round mag easily by trimming 1-coil from the spring and trimming off some of the bottom extension of the follower. **Inspect your magazines for bolt contact! Top/rear corners will have the points knocked off and be silver in color. Dremel and sanding drum will fix this. It will make a great difference to the smoothness of your gun. **The 19 rd mag is way too clumsy and may have feeding issues due to the spliced body design. **The drums are heavy and make the gun awkward to use, but are great for showing off. I have 5- 10rd (Modified) mags in pouches for home defense. **A Factory Rep at the Shot Show said putting anything on the back or a front vertical grip was frowned upon by the ATF. (His words)
*New Sub Alert* Salute bro!!! You have cracked the code AGAIN with this folder for the VRF14!!! The black accessories were out of stock on the site so I had to settle for the VRF14 Tan accessories. But nothing that a lil black spray paint can't fix lol! This vid was a big help!! Followed the instructions from this vid and got the folder installed! All I'm missing is the brace but they don't sell it on the site (yet) I'll get the brace from the other site you recommended! Thanks again!!
Would a brace change this legally? Just wondering as it may be construed that this firearm is to be fired from the shoulder. I know this isn't the case for AR pistols but those are classified as pistols. I suppose the brace wouldn't contribute to OAL though as it can be removed. Also, what about a vertical foregrip? From what I can find it wouldn't change the classification of it, and it's still using 2 hands to fire it so it SHOULD be ok?
Looking forward to see your next video with the brace on it. The other spring you showed is either a heavy spring or a light spring. The heavy is when shooting hot full 3 inch shot and the light is for smaller low power shot. Have you thought of putting a front grip on it?
I just got one they dont send the spring anymore they just send you a heavy load piston ring now. And they dont give you a lock anymore lol but i think they updated some things now so the unboxing is a lil different.
Really appreciate your video, Johnny! Just bought myself a Black Friday Christmas gift VRF14 from PSA, and then came across your video while trying to figure out how to improve my ability to handle & aim the VRF14... that folding brace assembly is just what the doctor ordered! Thanks again, and Merry Christmas to you and yours!
RIA's 1st New gun to come out of their new USA manufacturing plant is the VRF14. Good for the USA , new firearm and new jobs :) I think the beauty of the new VRF14 is, its a shoot from the hip, close quarters, home defense firearm.
so i finally got all the parts for the folding brace but cant figure out how to take the 'butt plug' outta the gun. It doesnt seemto be an allen wrench item
Thank you so much for this video! I have been wanting to pick up the VRF14 but when I saw that it had not brace/stock adaptability, it turned me off. Could you kindly share exactly what brace you are using in the video and do you intend on installing an actual shoulder-stock onto it?
@@jgonzalezny3197 it’s OOS on Evike. I found these on Optics Planet. I believe will do the job. DLG LEFT FOLDING ADAPTOR DLG-076 VISM Grip Adapt Telestock Tube
So I hate to be that guy. And I may be wrong so correct me if I am but. Does not adding that adapter not technically make it illegal? Considering its "firearm" status is contingent on the overall length being under 27"? Or does it not count if the brace is folded?
I almost bought an RIA USA VRF14 this afternoon but they sold out again before I could get it. Advanced Tactical has the folding stock/brace right there with spare magazines under the listing for the gun. And +3 TF mag extensions. I'm thinking about applying to SBS it when I get mine. A long time ago I read that if you manufacture an SBR or SBS instead of buying one, the tax stamp was only $5. If that's true, there are a lot of people with stupid pistol braces on ARs that could be replaced with good solid stocks, so you can shoot more accurately and comfortably, for $5.
I knew there had to be something out there for the vrf 14 to have a stock. I shot this at the arizona firearms festival and when I saw the screw there I knew it. No I just need to find that adapter you got there and I'll be sold on this gun fa sho
It would be nice if it worked. I have two and they both jam every round. It's a POS. And RIA customer service will not answer the phone or respond to emails.
Help ! What’s the name of the folding adapter/buffer tube ? If you can respond back or maybe on the shoot and review that would put expresso with Carmel on top for me to how it runs
@@tactifoo yeah, i ordered them and the website didnt say out of stock. they took my order, THEN told me they were backordered and since they are coming from CHINA, no estimate on delivery! probably never.
I know this is technically a firearm and not a pistol but the ATF can change whatever rules they want apparently. They came after pistol braces I'm sure its only a matter of time before these new firearms catch there attention. The new rule gives owners, manufacturers and distributors 120 days to report their stabilizing braces to the ATF tax-free. They may also remove the stabilizing brace or turn in any pistol modified by a stabilizing brace to the ATF... 4 days ago
Thank you for the video. Just FYI? Putting a pistol brace on that gun does not make it a pistol? It was not sold as a pistol. The only other option is a short barrel shotgun, which requires a tax stamp From ATF in order to be legal? Just trying to keep everyone out of jail? We have to follow the rules, even if they’re silly? God bless.
I would suggest taking this video down since the ATF dropped the pistol brace rule where hidden in the 292 pages of BS is the text that says any shockwave or other firearm with a brace is automatically considered a short barrel shotgun.
Brace/stock same same. Shouldering the weapon makes it a shotgun, now a SBS. OAL doesn’t matter, folding stock or not. I have this firearm and the folding brace, and a 4” compensator. Then I took it all apart bc I bought it bc I like it the way it is! And it’s illegal lol
I GAVE UP ON THE FOLDING BRACE IDEA. GOT THREE OF THE FOUR PARTS NEEDED BUT THE TUBE IS OUT OF STOCK FOREVER EVERYWHERE IT SEEMS. LOOKED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE BUT NO LUCK!
The whole reason this is not getting a 200.00 Tax stamp and registration is because its not a shotgun because it has no stock. So, if you add a stock to this, with a shorter barrel than allowed on "Shotguns" onto this " firearm" you have created a SBS in my opinion. I'm no lawyer but you guys should really look up the NFA rules to be legal.
This is not a Stock. It is a brace.
This weapon falls into the same category as the Komrad 12, I have one of those as well, they come from the factory with a brace and vertical foregrip. I have not seen any regulations that makes it illegal. If you know of such regulations, please inform. Adding a stock is definitely a no no without a tax stamp.
www.google.com/search?rlz=1CDGOYI_enUS684US684&hl=en-US&sxsrf=AJOqlzXPHu9fuyQHLUWZEZlXKnqEbZ9Raw:1673289810803&q=komrad+12&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiQu52mkrv8AhU3m2oFHQhUAWoQ0pQJegQIDBAB&biw=428&bih=743&dpr=3#imgrc=qpIuOz-iPP6G9M
@@IAmJohnnySnow i'm still trying to get all the damn parts for this! 3 different pieces. I got the short piece that folds and I got the brace but NO ONE has the tube that connects the whole thing!
@patriotpaul Thankfully your opinion is not the law, the law views this as putting a brace on a semi-automatic short barrel firearm.
The black left side folding adapter is VISM PN VG076 (that is a zero) and the Black Comm Spec tube to fit in the adapter is VISM PN VG094. Sold out everywhere, but I just back ordered from Optics Planet for $55 total. Will be fun picking a arm brace. Thanks for the GREAT Video, Best, Junior PS Gun on clearance at Palmetto for $299
What is the actual folding piece from, I can't seem to find it.
@@37gdog The parts he's using are aftermarket parts made for other Turkish made shotguns. Don't worry about the shotgun they're made for, just use the PNs given above. They are easy to spot as they all have that "Triangular" looking male / female attachment.
@@SuperFuely just ordered some from Mountsplus. Hope this is legal! LOL🤣
Thank you so much for the parts info.!! I just ordered myself the VRF14 for Christmas...
@@virgiljohnson4260 Merry Christmas, enjoy your new Firearm! Again, Hats Off to Johnny Snow!
WOW i could not find a brace adapter so i passed on this. glad to see you found one!
Thank you for this video Bro. I'm sold. Gonna get one withing the next 4 months.
Does the brace tube fit without the folding adapter? As a fixed brace?
What brace did you find to fit that commercial tube
This why I rock with you Johnny! Bro gonna MAKE it work! 💯💪🏾👏🏾👍🏾
Where did you get the attachment for this gun , as well as the name of the folding attachment? I'm considering the vrf14 myself , and like the idea of a folding stock.
Johnny, if I remove the birdshead grip on the VRPA-40, can it also mount the same adapter as you use on VRF14 here?
I too have a VRF14. **The 9 round mag can be made into a 10 round mag easily by trimming 1-coil from the spring and trimming off some of the bottom extension of the follower.
**Inspect your magazines for bolt contact! Top/rear corners will have the points knocked off and be silver in color. Dremel and sanding drum will fix this. It will make a great difference to the smoothness of your gun.
**The 19 rd mag is way too clumsy and may have feeding issues due to the spliced body design.
**The drums are heavy and make the gun awkward to use, but are great for showing off. I have 5- 10rd (Modified) mags in pouches for home defense.
**A Factory Rep at the Shot Show said putting anything on the back or a front vertical grip was frowned upon by the ATF. (His words)
where did you find a commercial spec brace to fit that tube
*New Sub Alert* Salute bro!!! You have cracked the code AGAIN with this folder for the VRF14!!! The black accessories were out of stock on the site so I had to settle for the VRF14 Tan accessories. But nothing that a lil black spray paint can't fix lol! This vid was a big help!! Followed the instructions from this vid and got the folder installed! All I'm missing is the brace but they don't sell it on the site (yet) I'll get the brace from the other site you recommended! Thanks again!!
Fasho 💯
You can use black Rit Dye in boiling water and let set for 5 minutes. Look it up on TH-cam
Would a brace change this legally? Just wondering as it may be construed that this firearm is to be fired from the shoulder. I know this isn't the case for AR pistols but those are classified as pistols. I suppose the brace wouldn't contribute to OAL though as it can be removed. Also, what about a vertical foregrip? From what I can find it wouldn't change the classification of it, and it's still using 2 hands to fire it so it SHOULD be ok?
I've been thinking about getting this gun Rock Island
I love it! You will not be disappointed 🫡💯
wonder if I can install a fixed brace if I can't get the folding brace parts?
Looking forward to see your next video with the brace on it.
The other spring you showed is either a heavy spring or a light spring. The heavy is when shooting hot full 3 inch shot and the light is for smaller low power shot.
Have you thought of putting a front grip on it?
It's odd. I bought 2 VRF14s today and neither came with an additional spring. They came with a light and heavy lost gas piston though.
Man they making shotguns look so good 😍
I just got one they dont send the spring anymore they just send you a heavy load piston ring now. And they dont give you a lock anymore lol but i think they updated some things now so the unboxing is a lil different.
Does the heavy load work with birdshot?
Really appreciate your video, Johnny! Just bought myself a Black Friday Christmas gift VRF14 from PSA, and then came across your video while trying to figure out how to improve my ability to handle & aim the VRF14... that folding brace assembly is just what the doctor ordered! Thanks again, and Merry Christmas to you and yours!
Thank you Sir and you have a merry Christmas as well
@@IAmJohnnySnow i just got the special from Palmetto as well. $199 after rebate!!! can't beat that deal
I also added the chainsaw grip because reasons
@@AaronLives34 whats a chainsaw grip?
@@IAmJohnnySnow Where can i find the brace folding adapter?
hey Mr. Snow can you Please tell me where you got the folding brace adapter from? 🤞🏾😁🙏🏽
HELP ! JSnow umm you hit the spot , I’m loving this from the Beginning now I’m going on this journey bruh 😎 Thanks
I wounder if the vrf barrel and gas tube would fit on to the vr60
RIA's 1st New gun to come out of their new USA manufacturing plant is the VRF14. Good for the USA , new firearm and new jobs :) I think the beauty of the new VRF14 is, its a shoot from the hip, close quarters, home defense firearm.
Johnny Snow, that thing that you want to get rid of on the back is for a shoulder strap
Snow looks like you are moving and grooving but where did you get the folding buffer
Where did you get that folding attachment
so i finally got all the parts for the folding brace but cant figure out how to take the 'butt plug' outta the gun. It doesnt seemto be an allen wrench item
What’s the buffer tube you bought for this? I just bought the VR
can you post the info on the buffer tube. can't seem to find it
What's the exact brand name of that specific buffer tube, and folding device, that is obviously compatible for the VRF-14?
Is it legal to put a vertical foregrip on this thing ?
Thank you so much for this video! I have been wanting to pick up the VRF14 but when I saw that it had not brace/stock adaptability, it turned me off. Could you kindly share exactly what brace you are using in the video and do you intend on installing an actual shoulder-stock onto it?
Here you go this gives you everything
images.app.goo.gl/QoPVVnR4N6wYH4Qj7
@@IAmJohnnySnow Thanks! Keep up the content! Love it!
@@IAmJohnnySnow the link has several adapters which specific adapter is for the vrf14? Thanks I’m advance also what stock tube is compatible?
Thanks for this video. I bought this a couple months ago and was told there's nothing for it/ was about to sell.. got a guaranteed new subscriber
@@jgonzalezny3197 it’s OOS on Evike. I found these on Optics Planet. I believe will do the job.
DLG LEFT FOLDING ADAPTOR
DLG-076
VISM Grip Adapt Telestock Tube
You have a part # for stock mount ?
So I hate to be that guy. And I may be wrong so correct me if I am but. Does not adding that adapter not technically make it illegal? Considering its "firearm" status is contingent on the overall length being under 27"? Or does it not count if the brace is folded?
I had the same concern
Looking at it it seems to be the same length when folding so it should be fine
Exactly if you read the "rules" adding a stock makes it illegal
New subscriber. I just bought this and will be making a video soon
Where can I find the brace stock piece?
Love the Video Johnny, thanks.
*** Where did you buy the folding buffer tube???
I almost bought an RIA USA VRF14 this afternoon but they sold out again before I could get it. Advanced Tactical has the folding stock/brace right there with spare magazines under the listing for the gun. And +3 TF mag extensions. I'm thinking about applying to SBS it when I get mine. A long time ago I read that if you manufacture an SBR or SBS instead of buying one, the tax stamp was only $5. If that's true, there are a lot of people with stupid pistol braces on ARs that could be replaced with good solid stocks, so you can shoot more accurately and comfortably, for $5.
Ill have one for sale this weekend
@@gregjewer4512 Newe or used?
I knew there had to be something out there for the vrf 14 to have a stock. I shot this at the arizona firearms festival and when I saw the screw there I knew it. No I just need to find that adapter you got there and I'll be sold on this gun fa sho
Thanks Johnny !!! Great info !!!
Where did you get the brace from? I can’t find anything online
They have sold out but here’s the link
advancedtactical.com/shotgun-grip-adapter-left-folding-stock-adapter/
LOL I was thinking the same. Someone has to make a brace adapter for this. Would be nice to see a 1913 rail adapter for a brace.
There is definitely a market for it!
OUT OF STOCK!!! Do u know of a another folding brace tube adapter?
Where did you get that folding brace from my guy
Where did you get the folder from?
Where can I buy this for my VRF14 ?
Where did the adapter come from sir
Here you go this gives you everything
images.app.goo.gl/QoPVVnR4N6wYH4Qj7
Hit load more to see the buffer tube
@@IAmJohnnySnow thankyou so much sir
did you ever finish this build? and take it out to the range??
Who makes the adapter and where did you get it
It would be nice if it worked. I have two and they both jam every round. It's a POS. And RIA customer service will not answer the phone or respond to emails.
New sub and love the vids. I was wondering if you actually need the folding adapter to put a brace on. Please let me know sir
No the tube fits the same as the adapter
Help ! What’s the name of the folding adapter/buffer tube ? If you can respond back or maybe on the shoot and review that would put expresso with Carmel on top for me to how it runs
Here you go this gives you everything
images.app.goo.gl/QoPVVnR4N6wYH4Qj7
I followed the image. I see the adapter but what about the tube?
@@johnriddick3500 the tube is on the page as well
I'll have to look again. I just want to make sure I get the right one for it. Have you tried mounting a side grip on it and a drum mag?
@@johnriddick3500 not yet.
Interesting hope it works well.!!
where and what's the brand so I can get one
Does the case comes with the Rock Island Vrf14 ??
Yes
That "weird thing" on the back of the gun is a loop for a sling.
What adapter is that
Yo what’s the one at the top
PLEASE make a video shooting final product. a semi auto shotgun mag fed beats anything with home defense or CQB
What is that part ?
The weird thing is probably where the sling is mounted.
what the name of the brace/folder
Where can i order the 9 round mag? can't seem to find it. Thank you for your vid and all the info.
Palmetto has it
although just looked and they are out of stock, so check back later
Who's the buffer tube from I've got one of these and would love a folding stock
Mounting Solutions Plus
Does anybody know if you can put a suppressor on this shotgun?
Does this make it into a short barreled shotgun? Since you are modifying the length of the firearm? You can do it but is it legal?
ATF be licking their lips when they see a brace and foregrip on that thing. So yeah, if you make it "shoulderable" it turns into an NFA sbs
Why does it jam after every shot ..help
Great video as usual...I just copped one of these too..where on the planet did you find the folding buffer tube?
Search "folding buffer tube".
Knowing you it's going to be badass 💯
Thank You Sir 💯
They have both parts available at mountsplus! :)
Not available, all on backorder with no eta
@@johnfenchak4484 I guess they sold out fast
@@tactifoo yeah, i ordered them and the website didnt say out of stock. they took my order, THEN told me they were backordered and since they are coming from CHINA, no estimate on delivery! probably never.
What's the name of the buffer tube? I can't find it anywhere
@@virgiljohnson4260 same here. Sorry about that. The damn website doesn't say anything I had to email them and find out the same thing!
I know this is technically a firearm and not a pistol but the ATF can change whatever rules they want apparently. They came after pistol braces I'm sure its only a matter of time before these new firearms catch there attention. The new rule gives owners, manufacturers and distributors 120 days to report their stabilizing braces to the ATF tax-free. They may also remove the stabilizing brace or turn in any pistol modified by a stabilizing brace to the ATF... 4 days ago
Thank you. I have this gun. Definitely needed a brace
FaSho 🫡💯🫡💯
Is putting the brace on legal? I've had mixed answers about this...
Looks like the sko shorty from standard manufacturing
I had a suspicion that the DLG shotgun buffer tube/folding adapters would fit.
I have a AFG2 on my VRF14.
What's that?
Anotha sick one.......
Jonny snow my favorite show 💪💯
Sweet... love me a 12gauge. I know you gone freak it. 💪👑... "mod king".
Total Sweet !!!
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Doin the brace makes it a short barrel shotty which is illegal lol
I love it with the folded on it.
Thanks Skilly 💯
I sent you the finished product in your text msg
@@IAmJohnnySnow ok
Could I own this at 19 I’m from nc
watch the video from shotshow where the company owner talks about it and says 'wink wink' you might be able to modify it LOL
Thank you for the video. Just FYI? Putting a pistol brace on that gun does not make it a pistol? It was not sold as a pistol. The only other option is a short barrel shotgun, which requires a tax stamp From ATF in order to be legal? Just trying to keep everyone out of jail? We have to follow the rules, even if they’re silly? God bless.
Think just a laser and light is all you need.
Nevermind found them optics planet
I would suggest taking this video down since the ATF dropped the pistol brace rule where hidden in the 292 pages of BS is the text that says any shockwave or other firearm with a brace is automatically considered a short barrel shotgun.
the ATF is not a lawmaking branch of government
I have designed an adapter piece that will allow this shotgun to take a normal AR-15 Style Metal buffer tube. If anyone is interested.
Post?
sbr yes yes yes
Brace/stock same same. Shouldering the weapon makes it a shotgun, now a SBS. OAL doesn’t matter, folding stock or not. I have this firearm and the folding brace, and a 4” compensator. Then I took it all apart bc I bought it bc I like it the way it is! And it’s illegal lol
love tha VRF14 12 gage, it suit me more than tha kamrad 12ga tha vrf is more comfortable to ma body class.
How does it run? And what runs best with it?
Man whaaaat ?
Pointless to put that on that gun, not needed!
Not that u can't but soon as u do it is a nfa short barrel shot gun. Better send uncle San that 200$ befor they shot your dog.
Hey bro wassup, how it’s being your experience with this gun? Would you say it’s worthy buy it? Iam thinking yet but not sure if i should
I GAVE UP ON THE FOLDING BRACE IDEA. GOT THREE OF THE FOUR PARTS NEEDED BUT THE TUBE IS OUT OF STOCK FOREVER EVERYWHERE IT SEEMS. LOOKED FOR AN ALTERNATIVE BUT NO LUCK!
What brace did you find to fit a commercial tube?
i never did
@@37gdog
Where did you get the folder from??