I am interested in this conversation from a psychological perspective. I think it's interesting that most people don't have an issue with psycho rampages in GTA but this kind of fantasy is off limits, but I think the reason is simply seperations from reality. You aren't likely to be able to rocket launcher a police car in real life and get away with it, it's so absurd that it's obviously more of an intrusive thought that you're getting catharsis out on. With this, your fantasy involves a characature of a person that you could potentially mimic fairly closely in real life which heavily increases the ick factor and the risk that it's a stairstep behavior.
Personally I believe this whole "lolicon" and "reality vs. fiction" dilemma is pretty complex, and I haven't seen anyone who has given a satisfactory answer that sits right with me. As of right now, I believe lolicons aren't necessarily pedophiles, and that liking real children is infinitely worse than liking fictional children. That being said, it's still weird (for me), and quite frankly, I'm not sure how to feel about it. I wanna approach this with the nuance I know it needs, but both sides make it really difficult. It's quite exhausting.
@@worldx1091honestly, weird isn’t inherently bad nor good it is simply abnormal, some people are into furries but are very chill in real life and don’t prance around in the public sphere key word is some or some are into monsters like vampires or werewolves aka twilight series, which is doesn’t fit the socially acceptable standard of society, just don’t be annoy or cringe, just like some people don’t like coffee others don’t like boba or chocolate, it is a preference; however the issue with p words is when it is done in the real world with real people, or vampirism where people suck blood from real people; these case are done out of sheer mental illness
There is news of a man in a pickup truck that drove over several people and went out in an all out gun fight with the police. It happened literally in the past seven days. If you ask me, that's the most GTA thing I can think of. The difference is that in GTA there isnt any consequence because youll be brought back to life and in reality youll either get jailed for life or killed. You dont need a rocket launcher but you can purchase a variety of weapons and use them how you wish, be it legal or illegal and get in a car and boom irl GTA. I think its the fact that there is *consequence* for doing the fictional things in reality. So sexually liking this content be it fiction has no consequence regardless of how bad it may be. You can argue "social consequence" but just delete twitter and boom social consequence gone and still like this kind of content without being jailed
IMO the biggest problem with loli/shota content is that people report it as if it were actual child abuse which clogs up the services dedicated to ACTUAL child abuse. At the end of the day I do not and will not bring myself to care about what people do in the digital realms/their imaginations regardless of their tastes. Guro, torture, violation, murder, loli, shota... Just because you don't get it or want to acknowledge it doesn't mean someones mind/thoughts should be policed. Bring your deranged fantasies out of the realms of the imaginary however and to the woodchipper with ye, for those who can no longer distinguish between reality and fiction are beyond saving.
I think this is more about brazen public announcement that they do pdf file stuff with fictional drawings of children. Them doing it to fictional drawings of children is not the problem, they should just spend doing it to fictional drawings of children in their own privacy.
Freedom of expression, alongside anonymity, are the core foundations of all online interactions. We can either enjoy them or not at all. Nothing but physical/reputational damage should be banned from such public space.
@@themoth4707 hm a good point. When I was at Pixiv looking for some of Anya arts you know, cultural stuff, I found a guy with a panzexual flag in his profile saying that he wanted to have a child so he could make rap lyrics with the kid. That was so disgusting that I tried to report his profile, but I don't know if I accomplished the report because I tried to another profile that was saying things like that and it said that the commentator didn't exist. That infuriated me, these are the guys that make my community being a trash. A bunch of disgusting pedos, that's what they are! And I can't even report to the police 'cause I don't live in USA, I don't know how to report these kind of things, maybe INTERPOL phone number could help.
@@themoth4707 unless the drawing depicts a real child like that shadman guy did in my opinion it doesn't change my level of concern if its still a fictional character
@iamthedoctor8094 Me and the lads do *NOT* mess with Shadman! Surfing the web cause this is our land. Step on our beach, you'd be a madman. Protect all the grommies, let's hope he stays banned. ~🌊🏄♀️Surfer
I'm not a fan of lolicon stuff, I do however get annoyed when people blow stuff out of the water as long as it doesn't bleed into reality I don't honestly think it should be as big as it is like when people compare them to actual people (ie calling the cops cause someone likes a drawing of a character that is petite) HOWEVER I do understand that certain ones like this where they have an actual canonical age makes it quite uncomfortable for sure.
Thanks to v-tweeters whenever i hear "so so is a pdfile" i now have to think are they saying it because of real children or because of drawings again..
it's pretty sad that they've gone SO HARD against loli content that they are now causing people to doubt *actual* p3d0ph1l3 accusations. It's sad to see people just throw the word "pdfile" around now. "Oh you disagree with me? PDFILE! You use wrong pronouns? PDFILE!" is basically how people use it now. It's expected to be a silencer that just makes you look bad but it's been so overused that it's hard to even take seriously when people say it, ESPECIALLY on twitter.... and that's terrifying to acknowledge.
In this case it is more of the act of doing deed to pictures of fictional children, not the virtue signaling holier than thou moral authoritarians saying that fictional drawings of children are real children. While it's good that the pdf file person outs themselves, they should not be proudly screaming how they do deed to depictions of children. They should just do it in their privacy, if they don't want people to be outraged... Sort of goes to the twisted mindset "didn't hear, see or speak about it and it doesn't exist"...
@@FrstSpctr88While I agree with it being gross and putting out what you fap to publicly, is asking for drama. We are barely a stones throw away using "literal depictions of children" to "LiTeRaL cHiLdReN" Should I report kistunero for adding literal depictions of CP at 0:38? This video was clearly rushed and made on pure emotion. You can find it gross, disgusting or whatever. I'll join you all. But let's not point the pitchfork at people who point out its a drawing. Knowing the difference between fiction and reality these days needs to be encouraged. But thats all I'll say, I'm moving on from this. Good luck and day to you all.
What more of a reason do you need besides “it doesn’t exist”? Do we hold that standard for anything else? This is becoming like that idiot who said the videogame characters never gave consent (for how they were dressed, not the fact it was a fighting game so they are murdering each other for people’s amusement).
It's not about whether they consent or not, it's about their visual depiction. *It could be a sign that they like them being underaged in nonfiction as well.*
@@dragonturtle2703 Whether the person's violent actions in-game are something to be concerned about depend on what the person gets out of it. If it's to complete a mission, collect something, abuse your might, or to overcome a challenge, then it's okay. Examples: -Killing a character to progress the game -Killing a character for their loot -Obliterating a character because "haha superpowers go brrr" -Attacking an innocent character because their boss fight is OP and you wanna see if you can beat it
I personally hate how diluted the term "loli became in the anime fandom, it was never supposed to be about age. And yes, to make a 6 year old your "waifu" is really really wierd. For me Its on the same level, to imagine/write such acts with people in the public. While still wierd, I think chars like Megumin are in the major majority. And then there are the "legal lolis", which the term was supposed to be about, like Akatsuki, Shana and Kanna. While the latter is the often mocked for "300 year old" trope. While in a perfect world people would differentiate loli in: short girl, pettan and the original loli term...But anime culture got to big, and will probably never change that. Also....when used right loli is faaar the worst tag you could stumble uppon... Heck, even the most popular Vtuber is a loli.
You and everyone else has every right to think that lolicon is disgusting, and these lolicons need to stop trying to normalize it. But calling them a PDF file is a step too far. That word should be used for actual disgusting Fs that hurt real-life young ones. Because it won't just water down the word and lose its impact and will juat help real PDF files in the end.
Why make such a big deal about this? It isnt real. It isnt any different from those who like furries or those who play GTA. Theres no evidence that these fictional things cause real world issues. If you dont like it fine, but unless they do it to an actual child then I dont care what they do. Besides its significantly better that they like this than the real thing.
I don't mind furries at all. But there is a point down the furry scale where it's too much animal, and you might wanna keep that person away from your pets. Liking that *COULD* be a sign that they like that in real life. Which depending on what it is, could be a problem. Examples: -Reality accurate dogs smashing: Maybe that person kinda wants to smash dogs. -Making smashing characters that look and act like reality accurate kids: Maybe that person kinda wants to smash that. -Making reality accurate drawings of smashing the dead: Maybe that person wants to smash the dead. It depends on the intention, though. And again, it possible they want that IRL, but it's also possible that they don't. Example: I know of someone who loves inflation, but they think inflation IRL would be horrifying, so they stick to the fantasy version.
I think Kitsu missed with this one. Lolicons can be regarded as freaks for sure and the ones that project their fantasies onto reality need to be put on a watchlist. Even the person that protected their account said [Minor/Antis/Maps DNI] DNI = Do Not Interact. I think Kitsu just Jumped the Gun here when she saw trigger words and didnt know what DNI meant. I'll regard it as an honest mistake but for me this would just be terminally online behaviour
8:22 I get the guy was saying You wouldnt trust them with a child because they sexually fantasize over child-like fictional content you wouldnt trust someone with a gun if they had anger management issues that plays COD or Battlefield all day You wouldnt trust someone that plays Dead by Daylight and ONLY plays killer just to hear the characters scream because they get off by that These are just flags but they arent doing anything necessarily bad that would earn them jail time
17:40 "They don't exist" is the best point Kitsu you're moving the goal post, if you cant disprove their point then asking for another point just means what youre arguing about isnt really that deep
I was about to ask, if DBD killer was similar to Among Us impostor because wanting to play as the bad guy is understandable, but then I read the _"just to hear the characters scream because they get off by that"_ part and I was like: 😨😨😨---
@@themoth4707 I was trying to depict a sense of mental illness when someone is partaking in fictional material that is related to their mental illness to make you at least think to trust them or not, main focus on pointing out the similarities But the emote is valid lol
I like loli it’s fictional dude and no one’s getting hurt if you don’t like it that’s fine it’s not for everyone. But this video is probably one you shouldn’t have made there is no doubt a decent amount of people in your fan base that like loli
I don’t care if it is lol I or shot a or goru or cest drawing of a abomination, it is fictional characters in a fictional world, however, when it comes to real atrocities or abhorrent acts in the world now we have a problem, such as maps, or beast or Canniable or animal cruelty or cruelty done to real people or real animals we will have a problem
You did not cook with this video. If you don't know anything about the topic then don't talk about it. This whole video made you look like a terminally online Twitter anti.
@@themoth4707There is only 170 coments, look for the ones she repleyed. Under one of the comments she becacly says that the guy is a pedofile because he had the MAPS in his bio, compleatly ignoring the DNI
I have a few points, but I agree for the most part. I would like to point out that the reason we can justify our intolerance of pedophilia is because it legitimately victimizes people. if we start policing people based on fantasy it ruins and waters down that justification. we don't want to abuse the word "pedophile" the same way that "nazi" has been abused, people will stop taking claims seriously and real people will suffer due to that. I honestly don't like it being compared to CP because its an artistic depiction up to ones own interpretation. anime anatomy is stylized and doesn't match the viscerality of real life regardless of the theme. I do believe that knowing the context for the art matters greatly. if you can personify a character and still find that content attractive its a step above harmless fantasy. What DOES bother me is how the people that are into it so confidently advertise their fetishes about it. no rational person would be so open about such dark desires, the lack of shame is a red flag that they might justify bringing it into real life at some point. you shouldn't feel pride in having extreme fetishes, if you do, you're missing something important in your brain and need to get help. come to think of it, its like a weird psychotic pervert version of autism. No offense to the actual autists.
"an artistic depiction up to ones own interpretation. anime anatomy is stylized and doesn't match the viscerality of real life regardless of the theme. I do believe that knowing the context for the art matters greatly." I agree with this part completely, for all art. As for the post in the video of her wearing that red sweater, I think it can only be interpreted in one way, which isn't a very good one. 😬 In fantasy, you can slap a number on anything, but the number has to make sense and be believable. Slapping 18 onto that drawing of her in the red sweater doesn't make sense, and it isn't believable at all, so it doesn't work.
17:08 That chatter knows what's up. And now that I think about it, I rarely see people get mad about the other messed up h3ntai tags like guro, snuff, etc. I don't say theiy should! I'm just saying, that there are worse things then "loli". ^^'
I don't really want to go in too deep with this TH-cam drama; I'll just say this anyway. Research exists-psychologists and sociologists have long debunked the idea that fictional depictions equal endorsement. Outrage without effort to educate oneself is performative and hollow. Fiction is not bound by real-world morals; it’s a space for exploration. Ignorant moral grandstanding disrespects creators and trivializes real issues like child welfare, which need informed action, not privileged, emotionally driven condemnation of art. If these people refuse to engage critically, their opinions hold no weight. Fiction owes nothing to their delusions. The reason we are even having this conversation is because governments and society itself understand that wasting time and resources on fictional drawings is not worth anything. Why should society waste taxpayer money on jailing people for drawings? much less label them when psychologists and professionals have long since discussed these things? No one is ever emotionally mature enough to actually critically analyze this stuff, so lolicons have just stopped caring. Giving people the environment to vent their privileged complaints without facing the responsibility of actually educating themselves and removing their emotions from the topic is a waste of time as strangers. I doubt any of these people care about kids; they just care about the idea of protecting kids with what society hands over to them. That being communities to talk about it and the good feeling of being morally right.
I don't care if the entire world wants me dead; lolis and various other fictional media keep me alive and positive. If someone isn't willing to educate themselves before complaining about my interests, then I don't see them as a human being of whom I share the struggle for survival with. I'll gladly openly share my hatred for them as well.
@@LilPale You're absolutely right. Language was meant to serve as a tool for clear communication and understanding, but it’s now twisted into a weapon for shallow outrage. Words like 'pedophilia,' once intended to address a serious issue, have been reduced to a buzzword for people who care more about emotional validation than actual impact. It's absurd how people cling to performative outrage over fictional media while neglecting real-world issues, especially when it comes to child welfare. This level of comfort in society has bred apathy toward logic and critical thinking. Why bother with facts when emotional outbursts have more immediate rewards? It's tiring to see how easily decency and maturity are discarded in favor of projecting personal frustrations onto innocent people discussing or enjoying fiction. The internet only amplifies this, enabling hollow performances that contribute nothing meaningful to society except more division and noise. Such a world is not worth living in, nor are the people within it worth respecting.
I'm a CSA victim, being I suffered the real world equivalent of your fetish, I don't like pedophiles, wonder why? I don't claim you are one, however, you're not normal either, rather than playing pretend, you should get professional help. You claim to hate moral grandstanding as you morally grandstand, you don't care about real children, you spend far too much time defending your own paraphilia to actually care about real children.
@@Kazeshini11No it does not. Playing GTA or MK does not MAKE me violent nor does it raise any kind of flag with any normal person. Yes loli shit is weird but im not going to just straight up call anyone a ped over drawings. You people are so fucking weird about this on both sides i swear and people wonder why no one takes the word seriously anymore.
It's not always a cause, sometimes it's a sign that there was already violence brewing within the person. Whether the person's violent actions in-game are something to be concerned about depend on what the person gets out of it. If it's to complete a mission, collect something, abuse your might, or to overcome a challenge, then it's okay. Examples: -Killing a character to progress the game -Killing a character for their loot -Obliterating a character because "haha superpowers go brrr" -Attacking an innocent character because their boss fight is OP and you wanna see if you can beat it
after i see the blue archive community, this feels so tame. if you don't like this one, then you don't want to be anywhere near blue archive. also loli is fine, kids are not. rebecca is a loli despite being an adult.
@@bananameister2638 Yeah. But there's something else to it too. It's less likely for those war game players to want war IRL because they get something else out of the game. Let me explain. Whether the person's violent actions in-game are something to be concerned about depends on *what the person gets out of it.* If it's to complete a mission, collect something, abuse your might, or to overcome a challenge, then it's okay. Examples: -Killing a character to progress the game -Killing a character for their loot -Obliterating a character because "haha superpowers go brrr" -Attacking an innocent character because their boss fight is OP and you wanna see if you can beat it
When I first saw it, I thought it meant like, just hanging out. But looking at if for longer, and thinking about it more critically, I realized that likely was not their intent.
@@tangroro I'm talking about how they used a heart emoji, and put her next to hot girls, and used a picture of her trying to dress like Yor. Because of those three things, I think it's possible that that person could have meant for it to be a romantic thing.
@@tangroro Well the post talked about New Year's, and I've never heard of people having a tradition of smashing on New Year's day, but I do know of the tradition of the romantic kiss at 12AM. Had it been about Valentines Day, Christmas, or Mother's Day, I wouldn't have seen it as sexual. Other than that... Is it wrong to think one shouldn't be sexually interested in a lore accurate Becky from Spy × Family?
man some people are too comfortable revealing their own fetishes on the internet. as somebody with a slight fetish myself, i live with the motto "dont shame other people fetish". but the people going out of their way to expose themselves really needed to be shame back into the closet.
@@LilPale if that was the case close the door and lock it dont keep it open so strangers can just wander in, then act surprise when they dont like what they see what exactly are you trying to prove with this argument anyway? all you are doing is nitpicking my wording, not discussing the main topic
@@LilPale they posted something online, they are basically just waiting for somebody attention. if not now, then some time in the future. also you still not proving any point, you are just nitpicking what i said.
@@TheLeaderX1 Look, I get what you're saying-if you do something society deems 'weird,' you can expect some backlash. But let’s be honest, none of this was even a concern before anime gained mainstream popularity. Now, the harassment we face stems from uneducated, emotionally charged complaints, not from any genuine understanding or rational critique. The reasons they give for attacking us are flimsy at best, yet the consequences are anything but. Most of these people openly wish death on us or use us as a punching bag to vent their own apathy and aggression, all while enjoying public approval for doing so. It’s dehumanizing. At some point, we just stopped caring because no matter what we do, we're not treated as human beings.
@NerkasSubs all im saying is preferences should only be share with you partner, not random people on the internet. especially if those preferences would trigger law enforcement intervention if ever act upon. its not a matter of being harassed for being a deviant, its about not sharing your private life for strangers to see and judge you.
just gonna put it out there, people disregard and ignore character traits which if presented irl i hope these same people would find distasteful. i've never seen the show but yor is mentioned a few times, but isnt she an assasin? she's people people under the dirt before, and has ties so shady people and organizations right? scary stuff like that, but it's easily overlooked because she's not real.
@@themoth4707 Well, if it is fine for you, just pick the top rigth. I don't know much about "the quintuplet twins anime," but the bottom left character is Marin from my dress-up darling, which her age is 15.
@@themoth4707 According to fanwiki, she's 15. Maybe she aged in later chapters. Sorry I didn't read the main source. That's anime for you. Looks often deceiving.
I want to be open-minded, and I like playing devil's advocate because I don't want to miss on any nuance, but posts like these (6:45) makes it really difficult. My best guess is that it's either a (really unfunny) dark joke, which is best case scenario, or unironically a clue to what this user is into, which is concerning on so many levels.
A key way to tell with PDFs is that they don’t want someone like Bisky (Hunter x Hunter) or Rebeka (Cyberpunk) don’t count. They need the age, not just the body type.
Loli was meant to be about the petite body type from my understanding. Still adults. This is unmistakably a child! Even if this is a drawing, there are still some instinctual alarm bells about it going off in my head. I’m all about jokes, but some of the replies to the OP went way too far.
That is what a loli is meant to be, a specific body type with nothing to do with age. They're also a convenient scapegoat for clout chasers who don't care about real life children or have something they want to hide.
Ok look I am neutral in all Drama online as much as possible. So much so I can consider Illya from specifically Stay Night a "Moral grey area" if needed for some reaaon. BUT BECKY. Nah if I saw someone on I know on there side I'd probably not associate with that person again
Ok so 3:56 now I don't know much about Lolicons I have had that word muted for awhile. I occasionally will come across an account like that which says that. From what I saw sometimes the loli's in question were like I believe it's called "Lolibaba" Old Grandparent personality in a child esk body or some shit like that. Point is I have come across like 3 lolicon accounts in the past they all have the same thing if I recall correctly
Yeah... We ain't gon' need a new word if these people keeps labeling Anime Children as "Loli" Perhaps Lolibaba, but then again that's for Lolis that are as old as a GRANDMA
@@thecompareablezombie Why are you saying no to her? Judging by the title, I'm guessing she really really really really really loves the MC. So what's wrong with her? She's not yandere, is she?
it depends on the country numnuts. in Australia it's 16 years old, Thailand it's 14 years old(if I remember correctly) and in some parts of Japan it can very from 18 years old to 15 years old.
I know not all countries have the same laws, that's something simple to understand. But for good reasons, I'd rather say 18 than 16. Wouldn't you agree? 🐟
Oh. I think you just like fish, 🐟Glue glub I'm referring to that meme of Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta standing in a void angrily, with text saying, "The age of consent is 18".
Good to know our community doesn't support stuff like this. I sure know some other ones who are on people's throat as fast as they say something about lolis
@themoth4707 Sorry what I meant to say is that some people online are saying that for example "lolis are wrong and should be banned" and then CERTAIN communities go like "Ermm actually it's just a drawing 🤓" I don't wanna point my finger at anyone but yeah it's a bad look
@@bananameister2638 Oh please, tell me you are not trying to bate anyone with that a simpleminded argument. Just to be blunt, If anyone were to play a shooter that only had children as targets, i'd be equally worried about that persons mental health. I fully agree to the argument that there is quiet a fine line between acceptable and unacceptable depiction of minors in manga and anime. But that doesn't mean there isn't A LINE. Not to mention possible legal consequences depending on the country.
@@jakernaught All depends on what people define as "facts" really. For some people that word is just a synonym for an opinion they deem acceptable... Totally overused...
I am interested in this conversation from a psychological perspective. I think it's interesting that most people don't have an issue with psycho rampages in GTA but this kind of fantasy is off limits, but I think the reason is simply seperations from reality. You aren't likely to be able to rocket launcher a police car in real life and get away with it, it's so absurd that it's obviously more of an intrusive thought that you're getting catharsis out on. With this, your fantasy involves a characature of a person that you could potentially mimic fairly closely in real life which heavily increases the ick factor and the risk that it's a stairstep behavior.
Personally I believe this whole "lolicon" and "reality vs. fiction" dilemma is pretty complex, and I haven't seen anyone who has given a satisfactory answer that sits right with me. As of right now, I believe lolicons aren't necessarily pedophiles, and that liking real children is infinitely worse than liking fictional children. That being said, it's still weird (for me), and quite frankly, I'm not sure how to feel about it. I wanna approach this with the nuance I know it needs, but both sides make it really difficult. It's quite exhausting.
the post was obvious bait to spark conflict
@@worldx1091 you still have a icky feeling so that means you dislike it and you are normal for it.
@@worldx1091honestly, weird isn’t inherently bad nor good it is simply abnormal, some people are into furries but are very chill in real life and don’t prance around in the public sphere key word is some or some are into monsters like vampires or werewolves aka twilight series, which is doesn’t fit the socially acceptable standard of society, just don’t be annoy or cringe, just like some people don’t like coffee others don’t like boba or chocolate, it is a preference; however the issue with p words is when it is done in the real world with real people, or vampirism where people suck blood from real people; these case are done out of sheer mental illness
There is news of a man in a pickup truck that drove over several people and went out in an all out gun fight with the police. It happened literally in the past seven days. If you ask me, that's the most GTA thing I can think of. The difference is that in GTA there isnt any consequence because youll be brought back to life and in reality youll either get jailed for life or killed.
You dont need a rocket launcher but you can purchase a variety of weapons and use them how you wish, be it legal or illegal and get in a car and boom irl GTA.
I think its the fact that there is *consequence* for doing the fictional things in reality. So sexually liking this content be it fiction has no consequence regardless of how bad it may be.
You can argue "social consequence" but just delete twitter and boom social consequence gone and still like this kind of content without being jailed
IMO the biggest problem with loli/shota content is that people report it as if it were actual child abuse which clogs up the services dedicated to ACTUAL child abuse.
At the end of the day I do not and will not bring myself to care about what people do in the digital realms/their imaginations regardless of their tastes. Guro, torture, violation, murder, loli, shota... Just because you don't get it or want to acknowledge it doesn't mean someones mind/thoughts should be policed. Bring your deranged fantasies out of the realms of the imaginary however and to the woodchipper with ye, for those who can no longer distinguish between reality and fiction are beyond saving.
I think this is more about brazen public announcement that they do pdf file stuff with fictional drawings of children.
Them doing it to fictional drawings of children is not the problem, they should just spend doing it to fictional drawings of children in their own privacy.
Freedom of expression, alongside anonymity, are the core foundations of all online interactions. We can either enjoy them or not at all. Nothing but physical/reputational damage should be banned from such public space.
i don't care about lolicons so long as they don't go after real children in my eyes they aren't pdfs
Understandable, but depending on what kind of loli they like, it could be a sign that they are, which would be concerning.
@@themoth4707 hm a good point. When I was at Pixiv looking for some of Anya arts you know, cultural stuff, I found a guy with a panzexual flag in his profile saying that he wanted to have a child so he could make rap lyrics with the kid. That was so disgusting that I tried to report his profile, but I don't know if I accomplished the report because I tried to another profile that was saying things like that and it said that the commentator didn't exist. That infuriated me, these are the guys that make my community being a trash. A bunch of disgusting pedos, that's what they are! And I can't even report to the police 'cause I don't live in USA, I don't know how to report these kind of things, maybe INTERPOL phone number could help.
@@themoth4707 unless the drawing depicts a real child like that shadman guy did in my opinion it doesn't change my level of concern if its still a fictional character
@iamthedoctor8094 Me and the lads do *NOT* mess with Shadman! Surfing the web cause this is our land. Step on our beach, you'd be a madman. Protect all the grommies, let's hope he stays banned.
~🌊🏄♀️Surfer
@@themoth4707 I didn't catch the reference, need information.
I'm not a fan of lolicon stuff, I do however get annoyed when people blow stuff out of the water as long as it doesn't bleed into reality I don't honestly think it should be as big as it is like when people compare them to actual people (ie calling the cops cause someone likes a drawing of a character that is petite)
HOWEVER I do understand that certain ones like this where they have an actual canonical age makes it quite uncomfortable for sure.
Hopefully this came out clearly brain is in such a fog I'm having some difficulty with putting thoughts into words.
8:16 I understand.
Like for example: I don't like furry stuff. The people who like it are allowed to enjoy that stuff, but I don't want it near me.
Thanks to v-tweeters whenever i hear "so so is a pdfile" i now have to think are they saying it because of real children or because of drawings again..
it's pretty sad that they've gone SO HARD against loli content that they are now causing people to doubt *actual* p3d0ph1l3 accusations. It's sad to see people just throw the word "pdfile" around now. "Oh you disagree with me? PDFILE! You use wrong pronouns? PDFILE!" is basically how people use it now. It's expected to be a silencer that just makes you look bad but it's been so overused that it's hard to even take seriously when people say it, ESPECIALLY on twitter.... and that's terrifying to acknowledge.
In this case it is more of the act of doing deed to pictures of fictional children, not the virtue signaling holier than thou moral authoritarians saying that fictional drawings of children are real children.
While it's good that the pdf file person outs themselves, they should not be proudly screaming how they do deed to depictions of children. They should just do it in their privacy, if they don't want people to be outraged...
Sort of goes to the twisted mindset "didn't hear, see or speak about it and it doesn't exist"...
@@FrstSpctr88While I agree with it being gross and putting out what you fap to publicly, is asking for drama. We are barely a stones throw away using "literal depictions of children" to "LiTeRaL cHiLdReN"
Should I report kistunero for adding literal depictions of CP at 0:38?
This video was clearly rushed and made on pure emotion.
You can find it gross, disgusting or whatever. I'll join you all. But let's not point the pitchfork at people who point out its a drawing.
Knowing the difference between fiction and reality these days needs to be encouraged. But thats all I'll say, I'm moving on from this. Good luck and day to you all.
I wish TH-cam would stop censoring people for calling it what it is.
Converting files into portable document formats is gonna be a PTSD nightmare.
@@themoth4707 The good old days when I could say that word that involves fecal things without having my comment deleted.
What more of a reason do you need besides “it doesn’t exist”? Do we hold that standard for anything else? This is becoming like that idiot who said the videogame characters never gave consent (for how they were dressed, not the fact it was a fighting game so they are murdering each other for people’s amusement).
It's not about whether they consent or not, it's about their visual depiction.
*It could be a sign that they like them being underaged in nonfiction as well.*
@ how does that not also apply to other things as well? Like playing GTA being a sign you are a psychopath or something?
@@dragonturtle2703 Whether the person's violent actions in-game are something to be concerned about depend on what the person gets out of it.
If it's to complete a mission, collect something, abuse your might, or to overcome a challenge, then it's okay.
Examples:
-Killing a character to progress the game
-Killing a character for their loot
-Obliterating a character because "haha superpowers go brrr"
-Attacking an innocent character because their boss fight is OP and you wanna see if you can beat it
Didn't expect my tweet to blow up this big. Rip my account.
I personally hate how diluted the term "loli became in the anime fandom, it was never supposed to be about age.
And yes, to make a 6 year old your "waifu" is really really wierd.
For me Its on the same level, to imagine/write such acts with people in the public.
While still wierd, I think chars like Megumin are in the major majority.
And then there are the "legal lolis", which the term was supposed to be about, like Akatsuki, Shana and Kanna. While the latter is the often mocked for "300 year old" trope.
While in a perfect world people would differentiate loli in: short girl, pettan and the original loli term...But anime culture got to big, and will probably never change that.
Also....when used right loli is faaar the worst tag you could stumble uppon...
Heck, even the most popular Vtuber is a loli.
You and everyone else has every right to think that lolicon is disgusting, and these lolicons need to stop trying to normalize it. But calling them a PDF file is a step too far. That word should be used for actual disgusting Fs that hurt real-life young ones. Because it won't just water down the word and lose its impact and will juat help real PDF files in the end.
the guy had "MAP" in his profile, so for that guy, it was appropriate
@Kitsunero You know what, you are right. He should be called a PDF file. But my point is that not all lolicons are that.
@@Kitsunero MAP DNI. It means maps do not interact. Can you not read?
@@TurtleChad1 Yea that was what I was confused on there.
The account did say for minors and MAPS to stay away. Not want anything to do with them.
@@Kitsunero What is map?
Why make such a big deal about this? It isnt real. It isnt any different from those who like furries or those who play GTA. Theres no evidence that these fictional things cause real world issues. If you dont like it fine, but unless they do it to an actual child then I dont care what they do. Besides its significantly better that they like this than the real thing.
I don't mind furries at all.
But there is a point down the furry scale where it's too much animal, and you might wanna keep that person away from your pets. Liking that *COULD* be a sign that they like that in real life. Which depending on what it is, could be a problem.
Examples:
-Reality accurate dogs smashing: Maybe that person kinda wants to smash dogs.
-Making smashing characters that look and act like reality accurate kids: Maybe that person kinda wants to smash that.
-Making reality accurate drawings of smashing the dead: Maybe that person wants to smash the dead.
It depends on the intention, though. And again, it possible they want that IRL, but it's also possible that they don't.
Example: I know of someone who loves inflation, but they think inflation IRL would be horrifying, so they stick to the fantasy version.
I think Kitsu missed with this one.
Lolicons can be regarded as freaks for sure and the ones that project their fantasies onto reality need to be put on a watchlist. Even the person that protected their account said [Minor/Antis/Maps DNI] DNI = Do Not Interact. I think Kitsu just Jumped the Gun here when she saw trigger words and didnt know what DNI meant.
I'll regard it as an honest mistake but for me this would just be terminally online behaviour
8:22 I get the guy was saying
You wouldnt trust them with a child because they sexually fantasize over child-like fictional content
you wouldnt trust someone with a gun if they had anger management issues that plays COD or Battlefield all day
You wouldnt trust someone that plays Dead by Daylight and ONLY plays killer just to hear the characters scream because they get off by that
These are just flags but they arent doing anything necessarily bad that would earn them jail time
17:40 "They don't exist" is the best point
Kitsu you're moving the goal post, if you cant disprove their point then asking for another point just means what youre arguing about isnt really that deep
I was about to ask, if DBD killer was similar to Among Us impostor because wanting to play as the bad guy is understandable, but then I read the _"just to hear the characters scream because they get off by that"_ part and I was like: 😨😨😨---
@@themoth4707I was trying to depict a sense of mental illness when someone is partaking in fictional material
But the emote is valid lol
@@themoth4707 I was trying to depict a sense of mental illness when someone is partaking in fictional material that is related to their mental illness to make you at least think to trust them or not, main focus on pointing out the similarities
But the emote is valid lol
Shes still not exist. This is nothingburger
I like loli it’s fictional dude and no one’s getting hurt if you don’t like it that’s fine it’s not for everyone. But this video is probably one you shouldn’t have made there is no doubt a decent amount of people in your fan base that like loli
I am lolicon.
I don’t care if it is lol I or shot a or goru or cest drawing of a abomination, it is fictional characters in a fictional world, however, when it comes to real atrocities or abhorrent acts in the world now we have a problem, such as maps, or beast or Canniable or animal cruelty or cruelty done to real people or real animals we will have a problem
"leave the fictional character alone" fat guy meme
it's fair if some of us don't care about drawings
This video feel like it gonna end up at Rev's.
That's all I got to say.
16:27 Becky is not cute and a adorable, she tried to steal Loid from Yor, that is unforgivable.
You did not cook with this video. If you don't know anything about the topic then don't talk about it. This whole video made you look like a terminally online Twitter anti.
Could you point out the parts where she did and did not cook, please? (Timestamps appreciated.)
@@themoth4707 17:40
@@themoth4707There is only 170 coments, look for the ones she repleyed. Under one of the comments she becacly says that the guy is a pedofile because he had the MAPS in his bio, compleatly ignoring the DNI
All of them are underage except rent a gf and I wouldn’t want to spend time with her either
I have a few points, but I agree for the most part.
I would like to point out that the reason we can justify our intolerance of pedophilia is because it legitimately victimizes people. if we start policing people based on fantasy it ruins and waters down that justification. we don't want to abuse the word "pedophile" the same way that "nazi" has been abused, people will stop taking claims seriously and real people will suffer due to that.
I honestly don't like it being compared to CP because its an artistic depiction up to ones own interpretation. anime anatomy is stylized and doesn't match the viscerality of real life regardless of the theme. I do believe that knowing the context for the art matters greatly. if you can personify a character and still find that content attractive its a step above harmless fantasy.
What DOES bother me is how the people that are into it so confidently advertise their fetishes about it. no rational person would be so open about such dark desires, the lack of shame is a red flag that they might justify bringing it into real life at some point.
you shouldn't feel pride in having extreme fetishes, if you do, you're missing something important in your brain and need to get help. come to think of it, its like a weird psychotic pervert version of autism. No offense to the actual autists.
"an artistic depiction up to ones own interpretation. anime anatomy is stylized and doesn't match the viscerality of real life regardless of the theme. I do believe that knowing the context for the art matters greatly."
I agree with this part completely, for all art.
As for the post in the video of her wearing that red sweater, I think it can only be interpreted in one way, which isn't a very good one. 😬
In fantasy, you can slap a number on anything, but the number has to make sense and be believable. Slapping 18 onto that drawing of her in the red sweater doesn't make sense, and it isn't believable at all, so it doesn't work.
17:08 That chatter knows what's up.
And now that I think about it, I rarely see people get mad about the other messed up h3ntai tags like guro, snuff, etc. I don't say theiy should! I'm just saying, that there are worse things then "loli". ^^'
I feel like Everytime you post a video like this you get cooked into oblivion, im not gonna say anything else but maybe just maybe.
I don't really want to go in too deep with this TH-cam drama; I'll just say this anyway. Research exists-psychologists and sociologists have long debunked the idea that fictional depictions equal endorsement. Outrage without effort to educate oneself is performative and hollow. Fiction is not bound by real-world morals; it’s a space for exploration. Ignorant moral grandstanding disrespects creators and trivializes real issues like child welfare, which need informed action, not privileged, emotionally driven condemnation of art. If these people refuse to engage critically, their opinions hold no weight. Fiction owes nothing to their delusions. The reason we are even having this conversation is because governments and society itself understand that wasting time and resources on fictional drawings is not worth anything. Why should society waste taxpayer money on jailing people for drawings? much less label them when psychologists and professionals have long since discussed these things? No one is ever emotionally mature enough to actually critically analyze this stuff, so lolicons have just stopped caring. Giving people the environment to vent their privileged complaints without facing the responsibility of actually educating themselves and removing their emotions from the topic is a waste of time as strangers. I doubt any of these people care about kids; they just care about the idea of protecting kids with what society hands over to them. That being communities to talk about it and the good feeling of being morally right.
I don't care if the entire world wants me dead; lolis and various other fictional media keep me alive and positive. If someone isn't willing to educate themselves before complaining about my interests, then I don't see them as a human being of whom I share the struggle for survival with. I'll gladly openly share my hatred for them as well.
@@LilPale You're absolutely right. Language was meant to serve as a tool for clear communication and understanding, but it’s now twisted into a weapon for shallow outrage. Words like 'pedophilia,' once intended to address a serious issue, have been reduced to a buzzword for people who care more about emotional validation than actual impact. It's absurd how people cling to performative outrage over fictional media while neglecting real-world issues, especially when it comes to child welfare.
This level of comfort in society has bred apathy toward logic and critical thinking. Why bother with facts when emotional outbursts have more immediate rewards? It's tiring to see how easily decency and maturity are discarded in favor of projecting personal frustrations onto innocent people discussing or enjoying fiction. The internet only amplifies this, enabling hollow performances that contribute nothing meaningful to society except more division and noise.
Such a world is not worth living in, nor are the people within it worth respecting.
That doesn't make it not revolting
I'm a CSA victim, being I suffered the real world equivalent of your fetish, I don't like pedophiles, wonder why? I don't claim you are one, however, you're not normal either, rather than playing pretend, you should get professional help. You claim to hate moral grandstanding as you morally grandstand, you don't care about real children, you spend far too much time defending your own paraphilia to actually care about real children.
@@AlbinoMothDragon You can find it revolting if you want; you're not wrong for feeling that way.
does violence in video games cause violence?
It depends on people.
It raises a flag. Just like you are by saying this.
Have you played Mario Party?
@@Kazeshini11No it does not. Playing GTA or MK does not MAKE me violent nor does it raise any kind of flag with any normal person. Yes loli shit is weird but im not going to just straight up call anyone a ped over drawings. You people are so fucking weird about this on both sides i swear and people wonder why no one takes the word seriously anymore.
It's not always a cause, sometimes it's a sign that there was already violence brewing within the person.
Whether the person's violent actions in-game are something to be concerned about depend on what the person gets out of it.
If it's to complete a mission, collect something, abuse your might, or to overcome a challenge, then it's okay.
Examples:
-Killing a character to progress the game
-Killing a character for their loot
-Obliterating a character because "haha superpowers go brrr"
-Attacking an innocent character because their boss fight is OP and you wanna see if you can beat it
Déjà-vu. It's the same old song and dance. Let's see who is leading this time.
after i see the blue archive community, this feels so tame. if you don't like this one, then you don't want to be anywhere near blue archive.
also loli is fine, kids are not. rebecca is a loli despite being an adult.
You are completely correct.
Fiction 📖. Understand fiction and realistic.
You weren't paying attention.
This particular fiction they enjoy could be a sign that they enjoy it in nonfiction.
@@themoth4707 like all people who play war games and games like GTA could be a sign they enjoy it in nonfiction
@@bananameister2638 Yeah. But there's something else to it too. It's less likely for those war game players to want war IRL because they get something else out of the game. Let me explain.
Whether the person's violent actions in-game are something to be concerned about depends on *what the person gets out of it.*
If it's to complete a mission, collect something, abuse your might, or to overcome a challenge, then it's okay.
Examples:
-Killing a character to progress the game
-Killing a character for their loot
-Obliterating a character because "haha superpowers go brrr"
-Attacking an innocent character because their boss fight is OP and you wanna see if you can beat it
I mean, it's so clearly a joke and a bait, why would anyone take it seriously and ecen fall for it?
When I first saw it, I thought it meant like, just hanging out. But looking at if for longer, and thinking about it more critically, I realized that likely was not their intent.
@themoth4707 yeah, "critically", I bet you'll think "say hello to my little friend" as a death threat, right?
@@tangroro I'm talking about how they used a heart emoji, and put her next to hot girls, and used a picture of her trying to dress like Yor.
Because of those three things, I think it's possible that that person could have meant for it to be a romantic thing.
@@themoth4707 romantic? It's meant to be sexual dude, and I'm saying anyone think it's either wrong or even serious is dumb
@@tangroro Well the post talked about New Year's, and I've never heard of people having a tradition of smashing on New Year's day, but I do know of the tradition of the romantic kiss at 12AM.
Had it been about Valentines Day, Christmas, or Mother's Day, I wouldn't have seen it as sexual.
Other than that... Is it wrong to think one shouldn't be sexually interested in a lore accurate Becky from Spy × Family?
man some people are too comfortable revealing their own fetishes on the internet.
as somebody with a slight fetish myself, i live with the motto "dont shame other people fetish". but the people going out of their way to expose themselves really needed to be shame back into the closet.
@@LilPale there is being social and there is shouting it out in the public square
and twitter is the public square.
@@LilPale if that was the case close the door and lock it
dont keep it open so strangers can just wander in, then act surprise when they dont like what they see
what exactly are you trying to prove with this argument anyway? all you are doing is nitpicking my wording, not discussing the main topic
@@LilPale they posted something online, they are basically just waiting for somebody attention. if not now, then some time in the future.
also you still not proving any point, you are just nitpicking what i said.
@@TheLeaderX1 Look, I get what you're saying-if you do something society deems 'weird,' you can expect some backlash. But let’s be honest, none of this was even a concern before anime gained mainstream popularity. Now, the harassment we face stems from uneducated, emotionally charged complaints, not from any genuine understanding or rational critique.
The reasons they give for attacking us are flimsy at best, yet the consequences are anything but. Most of these people openly wish death on us or use us as a punching bag to vent their own apathy and aggression, all while enjoying public approval for doing so. It’s dehumanizing. At some point, we just stopped caring because no matter what we do, we're not treated as human beings.
@NerkasSubs all im saying is preferences should only be share with you partner, not random people on the internet.
especially if those preferences would trigger law enforcement intervention if ever act upon.
its not a matter of being harassed for being a deviant, its about not sharing your private life for strangers to see and judge you.
just gonna put it out there, people disregard and ignore character traits which if presented irl i hope these same people would find distasteful.
i've never seen the show but yor is mentioned a few times, but isnt she an assasin? she's people people under the dirt before, and has ties so shady people and organizations right?
scary stuff like that, but it's easily overlooked because she's not real.
like i get becky is weird but no one is having an issue with people thirsting over yor, who is a murderer
the perfect example of "please face the wall"
shes 6.5
0:00 What about the other 3 options? Are those okay?
Only top left, but you're a simp for that.
I don't get it, the other two look fine.
@@themoth4707 Well, if it is fine for you, just pick the top rigth. I don't know much about "the quintuplet twins anime," but the bottom left character is Marin from my dress-up darling, which her age is 15.
The Marin one looks like she's 20-25 though, WDYM?
@@themoth4707 According to fanwiki, she's 15. Maybe she aged in later chapters. Sorry I didn't read the main source. That's anime for you. Looks often deceiving.
I like lolis. Kitsu hates me now🙂
-Why are you gay- Why do you like lolis?
Which characters, and why? 🤔
@@themoth4707 Because they are anime characters. I like the style.
@@themoth4707 And I think I'm bissexual, but I never really had s_x with anyone to be sure of it.
@@themoth4707 Qiqi, Shun, Nyana and Shondo(the last ones are vtubers) and because they are squishable.
There goes another one
Do not uoh
Penalty $350
RIP UOH, we'll miss you. Welcome GAH, thank you for coming,
-ROBLOX death sound funeral, 2022
This is bait.
I did not know what that emoji meant and now I suddenly miss that happier time when I was more innocent.
💯🤢
Welcome to the Internet song starts playing
I know, right!? 😭
I want to be open-minded, and I like playing devil's advocate because I don't want to miss on any nuance, but posts like these (6:45) makes it really difficult. My best guess is that it's either a (really unfunny) dark joke, which is best case scenario, or unironically a clue to what this user is into, which is concerning on so many levels.
The things I have seen today will scar me for the rest of my life. Or for a few hours until I forget about it. Whichever occurs first.
Go watch a documentary on Minecraft Servers and their religions to clear your mind and forget. Those are usually an hour to 3 hours long.
Now, wait a damn minute! Is that Skyrim music in the background!?
@thechosenknight.2677 I believe so
yes
@@Kitsunero me who has Skyrim open in the background
Live MOTH Reaction: 🦋😰🤢
That's why i stay away from twitter
Nah, new years with Jim from Mission Hill
A key way to tell with PDFs is that they don’t want someone like Bisky (Hunter x Hunter) or Rebeka (Cyberpunk) don’t count. They need the age, not just the body type.
Loli was meant to be about the petite body type from my understanding. Still adults.
This is unmistakably a child! Even if this is a drawing, there are still some instinctual alarm bells about it going off in my head.
I’m all about jokes, but some of the replies to the OP went way too far.
That is what a loli is meant to be, a specific body type with nothing to do with age. They're also a convenient scapegoat for clout chasers who don't care about real life children or have something they want to hide.
Ok look I am neutral in all Drama online as much as possible. So much so I can consider Illya from specifically Stay Night a "Moral grey area" if needed for some reaaon. BUT BECKY. Nah if I saw someone on I know on there side I'd probably not associate with that person again
Ok so 3:56 now I don't know much about Lolicons I have had that word muted for awhile. I occasionally will come across an account like that which says that. From what I saw sometimes the loli's in question were like I believe it's called "Lolibaba" Old Grandparent personality in a child esk body or some shit like that. Point is I have come across like 3 lolicon accounts in the past they all have the same thing if I recall correctly
It seems like the "Lolibaba" thing is them *facing* the right direction, but without them actually taking any steps, unfortunately.
Yeah... We ain't gon' need a new word if these people keeps labeling Anime Children as "Loli"
Perhaps Lolibaba, but then again that's for Lolis that are as old as a GRANDMA
Just label anime children as "child" or "kid".
You know it's something monstrous when Kitsu calls the situation Ridicoulous 😨
The XYZ Situation is Ridiculous | Kitsunero Reacts
I'm so glad I don't have twitter anymore.
that's probably for the best
Human when no Twitter:
✨🏞️😌🏞️✨
Harari shows up
I love her, mom: no
I love her mom: yes
Is that the Rent A Girlfriend girl? If so, I'm guessing she sucks and her mom is awesome?
@@themoth4707 She is from the 100 girlfriends who really, really, really, really, really love you.
@@thecompareablezombie Why are you saying no to her? Judging by the title, I'm guessing she really really really really really loves the MC. So what's wrong with her? She's not yandere, is she?
AYYY WASSUP KITSUNERO. OKLAHOMA MAN HERE. I HOPE YOU AND EVERYONE HAVE A GREAT DAY!!! OKLAHOMA YEEEEEEAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!!
Ewww
Not sure why that one was a choice. Is that Chris Hansen's alt account?
For a second I thought you meant Chris Hansen switched sides! 😭😂
Kitsu posts, I watch. This is the way.
This is the way.
"the age of consent is 18 years old" -🐟
it depends on the country numnuts. in Australia it's 16 years old, Thailand it's 14 years old(if I remember correctly) and in some parts of Japan it can very from 18 years old to 15 years old.
I know not all countries have the same laws, that's something simple to understand. But for good reasons, I'd rather say 18 than 16. Wouldn't you agree? 🐟
Why is it a fish saying that? It's it supposed to be 2 🐒apes?
@@themoth4707 I have no idea what you're talking about and everyone else can probably say the same 🐟
Oh. I think you just like fish, 🐟Glue glub
I'm referring to that meme of Super Saiyan Goku and Vegeta standing in a void angrily, with text saying, "The age of consent is 18".
You know he's definitely a Prisma Illya fan.
Maps make great wall decorations you can line them up and paint them red.
Gross, and unnecessary cruel. Just give jail time.
Oh god....This tweet
FBI, OPEN UP
No one. No one. NO ONE.
* But nobody came.
Hello, FBI? Yeah, we need an investigation.
2:45 OF COURSE THEY HAVE A LOLI PHOTO ON THEIR PROFILE PIC! AND HE HAS “MAP” IN HIS PROFILE!!! 🤢🤮
Is that because it says "MAPS DNI" instead of "PEDOS DNI"?
Or do you not know that "DNI" means "Do Not Interact"?
Good to know our community doesn't support stuff like this. I sure know some other ones who are on people's throat as fast as they say something about lolis
"on people's throat"
Does this mean that they're silencing people who talk about it? I don't get it.
@themoth4707 Sorry what I meant to say is that some people online are saying that for example "lolis are wrong and should be banned" and then CERTAIN communities go like "Ermm actually it's just a drawing 🤓" I don't wanna point my finger at anyone but yeah it's a bad look
@@verspin Ooh, okay. Sorry if I'm dense, but who is it a bad look for?
"She doesn't exist.." What an excuse... The brain rot does though! 🧐
ah yes i guess you are murderer for playing COD and GTA
@@bananameister2638 Oh please, tell me you are not trying to bate anyone with that a simpleminded argument.
Just to be blunt, If anyone were to play a shooter that only had children as targets, i'd be equally worried about that persons mental health.
I fully agree to the argument that there is quiet a fine line between acceptable and unacceptable depiction of minors in manga and anime. But that doesn't mean there isn't A LINE.
Not to mention possible legal consequences depending on the country.
@@The_ViciousOne i mean you are the one treating fiction like reality?
That's only in your mind, because you are intentionally trying to misinterpret me. 😜
@@jakernaught All depends on what people define as "facts" really. For some people that word is just a synonym for an opinion they deem acceptable... Totally overused...