@Ciara Milne Although I appreciate your response, I think you should delete your comment or add a spoiler warning. Remember there's a lot of people enjoying the show who haven't read the books.
@Ciara Milne Yeah, it's nothing serious. I just hate reading spoilers when I'm watching a new show and it's the first time I'm on 'the other side' because I love these books. I want everybody to enjoy this as much as I am haha. Thank you!
@@ororomunroe4055 Even if Pan did change into an elephant it would be a tiny version of one. Lyra and Pan are still kids after all but also Daemons can't be really big animals I think. I feel like Lord Asriel's Daemon is one of the biggest but I'm not sure.
What disturbs me the most about this scene is the fact that while lyra is obviously in serious pain when pan is getting attacked, even with the few attacks that pan manages to land on the monkey Mrs Coulter shows NO reaction what's so ever brilliantly dark scene and serious props to Daphne Keen and Ruth Wilson for the physicality happening in this scene
@hb True in this instance. But Lyra has fair hair according to the books. It's one of the reasons Pullman wanted the change for Mrs. Coulter to be blonde. So they could have that connection through the same hair. And also blonde hair fits with your hypothesis. On her face, Mrs. Coulter is supposed to charm you into submission. If most people believe dark hair to be associated with "evil," then having her with fair hair helps the illusion that she is benign and benevolent. Which is her whole scheme.
I was surprised at the revalation afterwards. They changed that in the series right? It did not happen like this in the books, right? Or am I confusing stuff, it's been a while since I read the books XD Same goes for (SPOILER EPISODE 2!) for Mrs. Coulter and her dae being separated.. Though I am not entirly sure. I remember a scene in the books where Mrs. Coulter smelled differently or something, like metallic but I interpreted it as their bond stretching, so it hurt her and her body was in stress, sweating etc. or was that separation revalation then?
@@10animallover10 about Mrs coulter capacity to stay away from her dæmon I have many doubts I don't remember if anything is mentioned in the first book... but the revelation was originally made by ma Costa when Lyra travels with the gypsian and I actually like how they put it in the series, also they didn't say anything on the mother 👻
@@charlotte96ify It was mentioned in the book that her dæmon can be seen strangely far from her. It wasn't shown this clearly but it was mentioned. And there was that thing abouth that "metalic smell" if I remember correctly it did something with the journalists dæmon.
The irony of this is that what Lyra detects as anger in Mrs. Coulter is actually fear at the moment. She's scared now that the Magesterium have seen Lyra that they're going to do something to her. Lyra picking a fight about the loss of control triggers a "you little shit, after everything I've been doing for you?" reaction wherein we see that Mrs. Coulter is much more calm when she's angry than she was showing earlier.
Neither Asriel nor Mrs Coulter will hurt Lyra the way they hurt other children because they love her, but that love doesn't stop them from hurting her in smaller ways (this scene with her ear, Asriel with the 'I will break your arm first' scene) or in bigger ways (emotionally and mentally when they hurt her friends even though they don't mean to hurt her through those actions).
Dash X Dæmons are a human’s soul that exists outside of the body. You hurt the Dæmon, you hurt the human. Vice versa. What Coulter’s Dæmon was doing to Pan, was the equivalent of an adult physically abusing a child. Lyra was feeling everything that Pan was feeling. That’s why it’s an unspoken taboo NEVER to touch another person’s Dæmon, unless you trust that person unconditionally.
Right. And it was presented as something shocking and wrong. That isn’t what josorr is getting at. See his other comments. He is saying the show is “evil.”
@@Alba_1108, What she has been doing to her, and in this scene, it can never be called love. Only child abuse and manipulation. She only wants to control her and mold her into an obedient sweet girl (daughter) as said in her own words. No loving mother would hurt their kid like that over a little issue to exert dominance 😑😏 Poor Lyra, she has such twisted and very wicked parents and neither of them deserves her 😔 Or Whatever "so-called" love her mother or father has for her is so very little and insignificant in front of their ambition and greed... for them to ever truly treat her like their daughter, a kid, or to ever prioritize her! I hope they don't try to mend their relationship at all after all they have done to hurt her 😤 Whatever character development they get later on in season 2 doesn't change all they have done to her and other kids or can make up for their negligence and irresponsibility towards their daughter 😤 She is too good for her shitty parents 🙄😑 No kid deserves parents like them 🙅😔 they would rather be better off alone on their own 😓
@@thegirlwithamask I agree. They ruined any chance they had of her wanting them to be in her lives because they hurt her deliberately. Not like they hurt others, including her friends, but they still hurt her. But they believe the ends justify the means so they didn't hold back and they didn't apologise for what they did.
I really loved that some phrases were exactly what they said in the book!! And also the fact that Mrs Coulter's dæmon squeezed pan's ear and staff (like in the book!!!) 😃
The monkey only had the upper hand because Pan simply wasn't prepared for the attack. But don't worry, Pan gets revenge eventually, big time. It'll be worth the wait. You won't be disappointed. ;)
(spoiler warning) I think you misunderstand the scene mrs coulters daemon wasn't fighting back and she was just enduring the pain - she didn't want to fight Lyra back because that would have immediately lost her trust... she would've easily been able to gain the upper hand if she wanted. in our world the fight would have been physical with the demons representing our internal emotions. Lyra is still a child and mrs Coulter a very powerful full grown woman.. if mrs Coulter wanted to fight back in our world it she would have easily won. The equivalent to the previous scene in s1 would be a parent physically abusing their child (Mrs Coulter was also abused as a child). The equivalent in this scene would be Lyra one year later hitting her in revenge (her deamon representing this side if her emotions - vengeance rage) but mrs Coulter simply taking the pain and not fighting back (her deamon representing her self hatred/self abuse for doing this to Lyra in the past by not allowing it to fight back - she often hits her deamon in moments of self hatred)
This was a very intriguing scene. I was very curious how they woudl depict it in the series. It looked very, very well done! :D Kinda painful to watch but NOT due to quality or somehting, I just felt bad for Poor Lyra and Pan :( The only thing I disliked a bit was the 'Groan' Mrs. Coulter made as a clue for her dae to atack Pan. I liked that specific moment more in the movie, where it was truely out of no where. Furthermore, I liked this adaptation more :3
Curious that when Pan attempts to fight back, he changes into a large grey cat that looks exactly like [....]'s daemon, who is called a warrior by others.
Poor Lyra. She really gets abused by both of her parents. Her dad puts her in an arm breaking hold, and her mum gets the daemon hurt making Lyra feel the the pain.
I Remember when the movie came in 2007, i see that Golden Monkey Attack Pan and now watching this scene from his dark materials, they made Pan more badass while he tries to fight against the Golden Monkey, the same that i saw Scar Attack Mufasa in his face before he let him fall off, Scar and Sarabi fight like Animals, Simba bites Scar in his neck and in the end Scar tried to fight against the Hyenas before he dies in Lion King 2019
I think Lyra or Pan don’t really decide which form Pan takes in such situation. It is influenced by many things and also fear, submission of Mrs Coulter. Maybe someone else’s deamon would have fought back better?
i have never read the books but it would seem reasonable that the more the humans are young the more their dæmons are small. maybe their size is different based on their personality etc
@@lowquality49 its more like what the person can imagine and the emotions they are currently feeling. I think how scared she was of Ms coulter stopped Pan from turning into something big even though it would help a lot
because Pan can't become a wolf, he only has a few forms. I think a fox is the largest thing it can become but, the change gets influenced by emotion not choice
@@chillwithemma I remember reading that Pullman did not agree with this name. He did not give the monkey one and some other person just named him like that. I remember Pullman might have responded with something like 'He has no name but if he had, it would be something like Malice'.
Well, from Shelley I guess. Hardly fair on Ramesses II though. Especially as people usually get sacked at the BBC (Danny Baker), for comparing apes to royalty.
A dæmon is a persons soul desperate from the body and a childs can change form as they arent settled as person yet. In the books it's describes the dæmon being limited to it humans counterparts imagination and says Lyras dæmon pan could turn into impressive things like dragons although he usually turns into things like a wildcat, ermine, moth, seagull to name a few. Being a t-rex is a real albeit extinct creature i dont see why not. It wouldn't be the size of an actual trex though.
stealthbeatle It could be the size of an actual t-Rex, could be different. The form is based on personality, not convenience. One character had a dolphin for a daemon; and he could never go far from water.
The implication is a daemon cannot be bigger than the person. The same applies for daemons that are still in child form. They will inevitably be smaller and weaker than an "adult." I think Asriel's snow leopard daemon is the biggest we see if I'm remembering correctly, other than the Tartar's wolves. But forms are based on personality traits and emotions instead of whatever you or they want, so Pan's changing here is likely more based on emotional reaction than anything. Daemon's are literally a sentient soul living outside the person's body.
I know this is random, but given to the context of Dæmons, I feel like mine would be a Hummingbird. I don't know why, I just feel like it... *would.* Or if not, then some shy animal that represents bookworms since that moi.
Hmm.. I don’t know... I’m not loving the portrayal of Lyra so far. The mood is just so different from how it is in the book. Not just Lyra, but Ms Coulter too. In the book she seemed icy and scary, here she just seems crazy and a bit unsure of herself.
Don't worry, Lyra and Pantalaimon soon got their revenge on Marisa Coulter in Lord Boreal's house in Will's World, and Coulter was the one suffering then!
I loved the movie and the tv show but i never read the books. In this situation in both the show and the movie it seems that Pan should have turned into something much larger than the monkey. Like lord asriels snow leopard. But why doesn’t he. Lyra is still young and he can clearly still change so he couldn’t have settled. So wtf
It's implied in the books that children's daemons have can have limitations for how big they can grow when they shapeshift-they're not always full sized. Additionally, daemons are reflections of their humans' emotional state! If Lyra is scared/intimidated/distressed like she is in this scene, then so is Pan-and that affects what he is able to change into in the moment.
Do the deamons not feel pain? I get that Mrs coulter is not feeling pain because she's been discounted to her deamon or what ever which allows it to move freely and be away from her but the deamon it's self seems to not react to Pan bitting and scratching it and, I haven't read the book only seen the movie
Daemons do feel pain. When Pan is in pain, so is Lyra and it usually goes vice versa as well. Remember, Lyra was crying out "You're hurting us!!!" meaning both her and Pan are hurting and feeling pain when the monkey attacked Pan
I am confused, dæmons can change to whatever they want right? At least until their human gets to a certain age. Well, Lyra is still young so why didn't Pan just turn into something that could have destroyed the monkey, like a wolf or tiger?
He probably could, but Pan would only attack her dæmon if he really intended to destroy it. So we could take this as Lyra and Pan not really wanting to hurt Mrs Coulter/her dæmon, only get away from them. I think it’s more like a battle of their minds, not just who can have the biggest dæmon. Because Mrs Coulter is cold-hearted she is able to attack Lyra and Pan, and because they are more kind-hearted, they can’t win in a fight against her.
While a child’s Dæmon can change it’s shape, a lot of the time that shape is a reflection of what the child is feeling mentally and emotionally. They can change into specific forms for specific purposes, but that requires conscious thought. Because they weren’t expecting to be attacked, Pan can’t really control which form he’s using because he’s torn by Lyra’s rage and fear, and eventually the fear wins out, which leaves Pan stuck in Pine Marten form under the Monkey’s grip. If Lyra and Pan had been expecting a fight, perhaps Pan would’ve faired better, but as it stands they were too surprised to react appropriately.
I’m new to the Dark Materials series but why didn’t Pan turn into something bigger like a fox or dog? I’m aware they can’t turn into really large animal like bears and elephants but its just something I’m wondering
In the book he is able to turn into a lion, a dragon etc., but only miniature versions and he does it erratically to represent Lyra’s panic and inability to defend herself, not sure why they didn’t do that here.
As Lyra is still young and so is Pan, his transformations are restricted to small animals - until they mature and Pan settles on a small form, whatever he turns into will be small by default. So the cat was the best he could do in that situation
When Daemons are under stress, they have a hard time focussing on what they should turn into. In the books Pan later tells Lyra that next time he will turn into a porcupine or something. He just wasn't prepared.
I think it was just pure panic. You see it a the irratic pace he is changing. He did not have the focus to choose a bigger animal because he was scared and needed to defend himself o the spot too so that made him even less focussed. Lyra too was very shocked Mrs. Coulter just attacked her like that so that also adds up to Pans panic.
In addition to the good comments already made, don’t forget that Pan is essentially a child’s soul. So you have to expect a reaction based on that, not necessarily the best tactical reaction. Also, the violence unleashed by Coulter’s daemon is not normal behavior. She and her monkey are both warped in a sense. I’m not sure a violent response from Pan is even possible at this point in his and Lyra’s lives.
From all the animals she could choose, she choose a golden snub nosed monkey? Like, yes, their canines are very long and these apes are very agile and have more pannaculum carnaseum than gorillas or chimps, but all Primates will lose to a cat. That girl should have choose a clouded leopard or a Eurasain Lynx.
@@yoboibeerus1387 Just to slightly expand on this, while a kid’s Dæmon can willingly change shape into specific animals, more often than not will change into something to reflect their person’s mood, particularly when emotions are running high or they’re under stress. If Lyra was going into this expecting a fight (as she does later in season 2), she could’ve had Pan assume a stronger form. But here, because the Golden Monkey caught them off guard, neither she nor Pan can pick any specific form to fight back with, and end up losing it completely when the Monkey is keeping them distracted with the pain of pulling Pan’s ear.
Why does pan take so many animals forms when he’s being attacked by mrs coulter daemon? And how does Lyra feel in that situation when pan being attacked
It’s taboo for someone to touch another person’s Dæmon against their wishes, it’s seen as the deepest invasion of privacy and is extremely disorienting and unpleasant for the person who’s Dæmon is assaulted (it’s akin to rape in terms of how violating it can be if done unwillingly, because they’re touching harming very soul). Only the most depraved people would even consider it.
She was literally being pinned down, and was feeling the same thing that Pantalaimon was feeling. So yeah can’t really defend yourself when your caught of guard and are in excruciating pain. Also like the person above me quite rightly said touching another’s dæmon is seriously frowned upon unless you have absolute trust with said person
@@daenerystargaryen5132 Well according to the books he CAN, but they are mini versions. But Pan is actually more of a pacifist than Lyra, so in this part he technically didn't fight back at all. Just got pinned. The daemon logic is actually a bit weird.
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I really loved that they showed Pan changing forms, I thought they might not do that because of the budget. SWEET.
Yeah, I wasn't expecting the CGI in this scene to be this good either to be honest. This is really cool.
Why didn't Pan change into something bigger though?
@Ciara Milne Although I appreciate your response, I think you should delete your comment or add a spoiler warning. Remember there's a lot of people enjoying the show who haven't read the books.
@Ciara Milne Yeah, it's nothing serious. I just hate reading spoilers when I'm watching a new show and it's the first time I'm on 'the other side' because I love these books. I want everybody to enjoy this as much as I am haha. Thank you!
@@ororomunroe4055 Even if Pan did change into an elephant it would be a tiny version of one. Lyra and Pan are still kids after all but also Daemons can't be really big animals I think. I feel like Lord Asriel's Daemon is one of the biggest but I'm not sure.
What disturbs me the most about this scene is the fact that while lyra is obviously in serious pain when pan is getting attacked, even with the few attacks that pan manages to land on the monkey Mrs Coulter shows NO reaction what's so ever brilliantly dark scene and serious props to Daphne Keen and Ruth Wilson for the physicality happening in this scene
Mother and daughter argue
I love the way Ruth says “perfectly sweet, charming, innocent, delightful” , so powerful and menacing, she’s brilliant.
Ruth is literally the PERFECT marisa, exactly as she is in the book, scary, mysterious.....just terrific
Nah Nicole
@@unicornunicorn3249 Nicole was soulless and statuesque in the role. Don't kid(man) yourself.
She just needs blonde hair. Like Pullman said Marisa really had.
@@luxitos2867 I like the dark hair. Makes her match Lyra and people usually associate dark with evil and villainous
@hb True in this instance. But Lyra has fair hair according to the books. It's one of the reasons Pullman wanted the change for Mrs. Coulter to be blonde. So they could have that connection through the same hair.
And also blonde hair fits with your hypothesis. On her face, Mrs. Coulter is supposed to charm you into submission. If most people believe dark hair to be associated with "evil," then having her with fair hair helps the illusion that she is benign and benevolent. Which is her whole scheme.
This always breaks my heart but this time their acting was top quality, especially for the revelation that comes next
I was surprised at the revalation afterwards. They changed that in the series right? It did not happen like this in the books, right? Or am I confusing stuff, it's been a while since I read the books XD Same goes for (SPOILER EPISODE 2!) for Mrs. Coulter and her dae being separated.. Though I am not entirly sure. I remember a scene in the books where Mrs. Coulter smelled differently or something, like metallic but I interpreted it as their bond stretching, so it hurt her and her body was in stress, sweating etc. or was that separation revalation then?
@@10animallover10 about Mrs coulter capacity to stay away from her dæmon I have many doubts I don't remember if anything is mentioned in the first book... but the revelation was originally made by ma Costa when Lyra travels with the gypsian and I actually like how they put it in the series, also they didn't say anything on the mother 👻
@@charlotte96ify It was mentioned in the book that her dæmon can be seen strangely far from her. It wasn't shown this clearly but it was mentioned. And there was that thing abouth that "metalic smell" if I remember correctly it did something with the journalists dæmon.
Watching Pan trying to fight back is just heartbreaking :(
Why didn't Pan turn into an elephant?
@@user-yb6tk1ru6x for one pullman did not write second even if pan did change size of the animals in the books is interred by age of the child.
Agreed It was horrible to watch,
Yet hoping Pan and Lyra will be able to protect each other better if there is a next time.
@@dawnchristensen7492 they don't
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oh dang.
The irony of this is that what Lyra detects as anger in Mrs. Coulter is actually fear at the moment. She's scared now that the Magesterium have seen Lyra that they're going to do something to her. Lyra picking a fight about the loss of control triggers a "you little shit, after everything I've been doing for you?" reaction wherein we see that Mrs. Coulter is much more calm when she's angry than she was showing earlier.
"Remember kids, if you're ever in a Daemon fight, picture an Electric Eel."
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Pikachu
Or a porcupine, which pan eventually did.
Or a skunk.
A flea, and then a venomous spider or a poisonous from once you got under the fur.
I wasn't sure about Ruth Wilson in the first episode. But with this performance, she nailed it.
I was sure about Ruth Wilson as soon as i heard she had the role. She’s phenomenal.
@@MercurialRed9 i just started watching and I'm absolutely floored. she's amazing
The moment after Lyra said you lost control Mrs coulters daemon popped up ready to attack this just shows how aggressive Mrs coulter is
Absolutely riveting scene. Both at the top of their game. Stressed me out...and I've read the books multiple times.
Neither Asriel nor Mrs Coulter will hurt Lyra the way they hurt other children because they love her, but that love doesn't stop them from hurting her in smaller ways (this scene with her ear, Asriel with the 'I will break your arm first' scene) or in bigger ways (emotionally and mentally when they hurt her friends even though they don't mean to hurt her through those actions).
This scene is so good!
No, it's evil.
I’ll bite: how is it “evil?”
Dash X Dæmons are a human’s soul that exists outside of the body.
You hurt the Dæmon, you hurt the human. Vice versa.
What Coulter’s Dæmon was doing to Pan, was the equivalent of an adult physically abusing a child. Lyra was feeling everything that Pan was feeling.
That’s why it’s an unspoken taboo NEVER to touch another person’s Dæmon, unless you trust that person unconditionally.
Right. And it was presented as something shocking and wrong. That isn’t what josorr is getting at. See his other comments. He is saying the show is “evil.”
Dash X Where did he say the show was evil? Unless I’m missing a wider context, I only see them talking about the scene. Am I missing something?
And in season 2, Pan got its revenge.
Revenge of the pan
His*
This looks good I'll have to watch. Ruth Wilson is a great actress.
She just killed any love her daughter might ever had had for her, didn't she
Not only that. It will get worse later on. I won't say how, but if you really want to find out before the episodes are aired, read the trilogy
She loves her daughter, she will realize it later on. Hope they can fix their relationship.
@@Alba_1108, What she has been doing to her, and in this scene, it can never be called love. Only child abuse and manipulation. She only wants to control her and mold her into an obedient sweet girl (daughter) as said in her own words. No loving mother would hurt their kid like that over a little issue to exert dominance 😑😏
Poor Lyra, she has such twisted and very wicked parents and neither of them deserves her 😔
Or Whatever "so-called" love her mother or father has for her is so very little and insignificant in front of their ambition and greed...
for them to ever truly treat her like their daughter, a kid, or to ever prioritize her!
I hope they don't try to mend their relationship at all after all they have done to hurt her 😤
Whatever character development they get later on in season 2 doesn't change all they have done to her and other kids or can make up for their negligence and irresponsibility towards their daughter 😤
She is too good for her shitty parents 🙄😑
No kid deserves parents like them 🙅😔 they would rather be better off alone on their own 😓
@@thegirlwithamask I agree. They ruined any chance they had of her wanting them to be in her lives because they hurt her deliberately. Not like they hurt others, including her friends, but they still hurt her. But they believe the ends justify the means so they didn't hold back and they didn't apologise for what they did.
I love how the objects get moved along with the fight!
My moms name was Ruth and she acted just like Mrs Coulter. She ironically bought me this book when I was 14. Chilling.
ok
Same with with my mum being named Ruth, acting the same way and also getting me the book as a kid lol
I really loved that some phrases were exactly what they said in the book!! And also the fact that Mrs Coulter's dæmon squeezed pan's ear and staff (like in the book!!!) 😃
So already playing a better villain than Nicole Kidman
I love Dafne Keen. Great actress.
It’s so weird to watch back to see Daphne so short...how time flies and how fast kids grow!
The monkey only had the upper hand because Pan simply wasn't prepared for the attack. But don't worry, Pan gets revenge eventually, big time. It'll be worth the wait. You won't be disappointed. ;)
shh spoilers ;)
(spoiler warning) I think you misunderstand the scene mrs coulters daemon wasn't fighting back and she was just enduring the pain - she didn't want to fight Lyra back because that would have immediately lost her trust... she would've easily been able to gain the upper hand if she wanted. in our world the fight would have been physical with the demons representing our internal emotions. Lyra is still a child and mrs Coulter a very powerful full grown woman.. if mrs Coulter wanted to fight back in our world it she would have easily won. The equivalent to the previous scene in s1 would be a parent physically abusing their child (Mrs Coulter was also abused as a child). The equivalent in this scene would be Lyra one year later hitting her in revenge (her deamon representing this side if her emotions - vengeance rage) but mrs Coulter simply taking the pain and not fighting back (her deamon representing her self hatred/self abuse for doing this to Lyra in the past by not allowing it to fight back - she often hits her deamon in moments of self hatred)
@@roro-mm7cc whoa... thanks for that! it just made mrs coulter so much more complex for me!
I came here for Kit Connor. He plays Lyra's Pan. Now I'm going to binge it because the show looks great.
This was a very intriguing scene. I was very curious how they woudl depict it in the series. It looked very, very well done! :D Kinda painful to watch but NOT due to quality or somehting, I just felt bad for Poor Lyra and Pan :( The only thing I disliked a bit was the 'Groan' Mrs. Coulter made as a clue for her dae to atack Pan. I liked that specific moment more in the movie, where it was truely out of no where. Furthermore, I liked this adaptation more :3
I can’t wait I have really high hops for this show
Alex Garcia
Yeah, I have a few good beers while watching too.
@@Elephantstonica Yes my man - Loved these books and seeing it on screen now is epic x
I'm enjoying the series lots so far
Is that a variation of the theme of the intro ? It sounds great
bro i cry every time i see Pan or Lyra in pain 🥺
This show looks very interesting..
It’s a film not a show.
@@swargpatel7634 No... it's a show
Its really good I definitely recommend
Pan got his comeback in S2
Curious that when Pan attempts to fight back, he changes into a large grey cat that looks exactly like [....]'s daemon, who is called a warrior by others.
Amazing work Love this more than Harry Potter.
Poor Lyra. She really gets abused by both of her parents. Her dad puts her in an arm breaking hold, and her mum gets the daemon hurt making Lyra feel the the pain.
Yeah they're both awful parents but you can see how they'd produce a clever, strong kid like Lyra
Goosebumps. Hello book!
That monkey is very brutal. I actually cringed at this scene.
I never knew they made a series as well of the Golden Compass
Anyone here after 2×05? Awesome scene
reading the first book and Jesus they carried the tension so well
quickest stand battle ever
This is superb. Love it
Daemons are just animal [STANDS].
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Battle? That's a curb-stomp!
The deamons look so real!
SPOILER WARNING
They showed Pan as a pine marteen, like his settled form:)
WHY WOULD THEY HURT THAT CHILD
Both are my favorite ❤️😘....
And it will get even better.
I Remember when the movie came in 2007, i see that Golden Monkey Attack Pan and now watching this scene from his dark materials, they made Pan more badass while he tries to fight against the Golden Monkey, the same that i saw Scar Attack Mufasa in his face before he let him fall off, Scar and Sarabi fight like Animals, Simba bites Scar in his neck and in the end Scar tried to fight against the Hyenas before he dies in Lion King 2019
Pan could literally transform into a panther here lol
We all love a bit of dæmon on dæmon...
I’ve got a questions, why pan couldn’t transform into something bigger? (A wolf for example)
I think Lyra or Pan don’t really decide which form Pan takes in such situation. It is influenced by many things and also fear, submission of Mrs Coulter. Maybe someone else’s deamon would have fought back better?
i have never read the books but it would seem reasonable that the more the humans are young the more their dæmons are small. maybe their size is different based on their personality etc
@@lowquality49 its more like what the person can imagine and the emotions they are currently feeling.
I think how scared she was of Ms coulter stopped Pan from turning into something big even though it would help a lot
because Pan can't become a wolf, he only has a few forms. I think a fox is the largest thing it can become but, the change gets influenced by emotion not choice
He's not called Ozymandias, he has no name. Where the hell did you pluck Ozymandias from????
@@chillwithemma I remember reading that Pullman did not agree with this name. He did not give the monkey one and some other person just named him like that. I remember Pullman might have responded with something like 'He has no name but if he had, it would be something like Malice'.
Well, from Shelley I guess.
Hardly fair on Ramesses II though.
Especially as people usually get sacked at the BBC (Danny Baker), for comparing apes to royalty.
Maybe they will call him Ozymandias in this adaptation and try to link it to Watchmen.
Now I remember where the actress who plays Mrs. Coulter is from, she plays Rebecca Reed in The Lone Ranger
So basically a pokemon battle but your pokemon is also a stand.
Oh I love pans cat form ❤️
I wish i had a dæmon
I'd say Pantalaimon got a serious Zenkai boost after this fight.
What movie is this
I've never read the books so I have a question: can a dæmon take the form of any animal? Like, even an elephant or a t-rex?
Yes for elephant, t-rex I don't think
Anything is what it says in the wiki page.
A dæmon is a persons soul desperate from the body and a childs can change form as they arent settled as person yet. In the books it's describes the dæmon being limited to it humans counterparts imagination and says Lyras dæmon pan could turn into impressive things like dragons although he usually turns into things like a wildcat, ermine, moth, seagull to name a few. Being a t-rex is a real albeit extinct creature i dont see why not. It wouldn't be the size of an actual trex though.
stealthbeatle It could be the size of an actual t-Rex, could be different. The form is based on personality, not convenience. One character had a dolphin for a daemon; and he could never go far from water.
The implication is a daemon cannot be bigger than the person. The same applies for daemons that are still in child form. They will inevitably be smaller and weaker than an "adult." I think Asriel's snow leopard daemon is the biggest we see if I'm remembering correctly, other than the Tartar's wolves. But forms are based on personality traits and emotions instead of whatever you or they want, so Pan's changing here is likely more based on emotional reaction than anything. Daemon's are literally a sentient soul living outside the person's body.
I know this is random, but given to the context of Dæmons, I feel like mine would be a Hummingbird. I don't know why, I just feel like it... *would.* Or if not, then some shy animal that represents bookworms since that moi.
mine would be a cat,curious,withdrawn and lazy.
@@adelaidemountainheart5198 i think mine would be cat as well
I'd say mine would be a deer (well, a buck/stag, specifically).
Serene, peaceful, but isn't afraid to rear the antlers if need be.
what's the name of that soundtrack ?
This is a little bit better than the movie.
This is basically Pokemon live action format
Mrs Coulters dæmon finally has a name
It doesn't.
It really doesn’t.
That name comes from a non-canon radio adaptation a few years ago. It was never actually mentioned in the books.
non canon name
*his name is Brian you uncultured swines*
Clickbait-ass title BRUTAL! DÆMON BATTLE BETWEEN LYRA'S PAN AND MRS COULTER'S DÆMON! (GONE WRONG) (PRANK)
Qual o nome desse série???
Lol its like a stand battle
Ua série maravilhosa que não teve tanto reconhecimento
Sim
Do dæmons become venomous when they turn into something venomous?
Not as brutal as the one where Pantalaimon batters his "dad" (monkey) in season 3.
Hmm.. I don’t know... I’m not loving the portrayal of Lyra so far. The mood is just so different from how it is in the book.
Not just Lyra, but Ms Coulter too. In the book she seemed icy and scary, here she just seems crazy and a bit unsure of herself.
What’s the soundtrack for this music?
The piece sounds similar to "The Settling of a Deamon". It's in the anhtology album.
hello i have a question is there a part of the golden compass when someone says yes you are equipped and yes you are loved ????
Don't worry, Lyra and Pantalaimon soon got their revenge on Marisa Coulter in Lord Boreal's house in Will's World, and Coulter was the one suffering then!
expand nature please we need more of this 🐿️
I loved the movie and the tv show but i never read the books. In this situation in both the show and the movie it seems that Pan should have turned into something much larger than the monkey. Like lord asriels snow leopard. But why doesn’t he. Lyra is still young and he can clearly still change so he couldn’t have settled. So wtf
It's implied in the books that children's daemons have can have limitations for how big they can grow when they shapeshift-they're not always full sized. Additionally, daemons are reflections of their humans' emotional state! If Lyra is scared/intimidated/distressed like she is in this scene, then so is Pan-and that affects what he is able to change into in the moment.
Look at that Mawnky!!!!!!
Use your claws lyra.
WEASELS ARE ADORABLE NOOO!!
That woman is so evil!
Calling this a battle is like calling the holocaust a battle.
Do the deamons not feel pain? I get that Mrs coulter is not feeling pain because she's been discounted to her deamon or what ever which allows it to move freely and be away from her but the deamon it's self seems to not react to Pan bitting and scratching it and, I haven't read the book only seen the movie
It's stronger than Pan, and it's colder and more ruthless just like Mrs Coulter.
Daemons do feel pain. When Pan is in pain, so is Lyra and it usually goes vice versa as well. Remember, Lyra was crying out "You're hurting us!!!" meaning both her and Pan are hurting and feeling pain when the monkey attacked Pan
Have u never watch the golden compass
@@shadowx8145 yeah in movie when lyra was escaping and shut window on monkey's hand it hurted mrs. Coulter as well .
I am confused, dæmons can change to whatever they want right? At least until their human gets to a certain age. Well, Lyra is still young so why didn't Pan just turn into something that could have destroyed the monkey, like a wolf or tiger?
He probably could, but Pan would only attack her dæmon if he really intended to destroy it. So we could take this as Lyra and Pan not really wanting to hurt Mrs Coulter/her dæmon, only get away from them. I think it’s more like a battle of their minds, not just who can have the biggest dæmon. Because Mrs Coulter is cold-hearted she is able to attack Lyra and Pan, and because they are more kind-hearted, they can’t win in a fight against her.
While a child’s Dæmon can change it’s shape, a lot of the time that shape is a reflection of what the child is feeling mentally and emotionally. They can change into specific forms for specific purposes, but that requires conscious thought. Because they weren’t expecting to be attacked, Pan can’t really control which form he’s using because he’s torn by Lyra’s rage and fear, and eventually the fear wins out, which leaves Pan stuck in Pine Marten form under the Monkey’s grip.
If Lyra and Pan had been expecting a fight, perhaps Pan would’ve faired better, but as it stands they were too surprised to react appropriately.
I’m new to the Dark Materials series but why didn’t Pan turn into something bigger like a fox or dog? I’m aware they can’t turn into really large animal like bears and elephants but its just something I’m wondering
In the book he is able to turn into a lion, a dragon etc., but only miniature versions and he does it erratically to represent Lyra’s panic and inability to defend herself, not sure why they didn’t do that here.
As Lyra is still young and so is Pan, his transformations are restricted to small animals - until they mature and Pan settles on a small form, whatever he turns into will be small by default. So the cat was the best he could do in that situation
When Daemons are under stress, they have a hard time focussing on what they should turn into. In the books Pan later tells Lyra that next time he will turn into a porcupine or something.
He just wasn't prepared.
I think it was just pure panic. You see it a the irratic pace he is changing. He did not have the focus to choose a bigger animal because he was scared and needed to defend himself o the spot too so that made him even less focussed. Lyra too was very shocked Mrs. Coulter just attacked her like that so that also adds up to Pans panic.
In addition to the good comments already made, don’t forget that Pan is essentially a child’s soul. So you have to expect a reaction based on that, not necessarily the best tactical reaction. Also, the violence unleashed by Coulter’s daemon is not normal behavior. She and her monkey are both warped in a sense. I’m not sure a violent response from Pan is even possible at this point in his and Lyra’s lives.
This reminds me of jojo bizarre adventure
Ruth wilson is my new crush xD
From all the animals she could choose, she choose a golden snub nosed monkey? Like, yes, their canines are very long and these apes are very agile and have more pannaculum carnaseum than gorillas or chimps, but all Primates will lose to a cat. That girl should have choose a clouded leopard or a Eurasain Lynx.
Humans can't choose their Daemon. The Daemon reflects their personality, and that's why they can't choose
@@maitherolfsenlisa5593 I didn't know that really. Because I didn't watched the show. So thanks for the explanation.
@@yoboibeerus1387 Just to slightly expand on this, while a kid’s Dæmon can willingly change shape into specific animals, more often than not will change into something to reflect their person’s mood, particularly when emotions are running high or they’re under stress. If Lyra was going into this expecting a fight (as she does later in season 2), she could’ve had Pan assume a stronger form. But here, because the Golden Monkey caught them off guard, neither she nor Pan can pick any specific form to fight back with, and end up losing it completely when the Monkey is keeping them distracted with the pain of pulling Pan’s ear.
Stand battle vibe
This looks a lot like Golden Compass
same source material, His Dark Materials is the name of the book trilogy, The Golden Compass is the american name of the first book.
Yes, and if you used Google you'd figure out why.
@@littlekitsune1 nahh, who needs proper research and information gathering nowadays?
It hurts Lyra as soon the monkey touches pan
Why does pan take so many animals forms when he’s being attacked by mrs coulter daemon? And how does Lyra feel in that situation when pan being attacked
Lyra gets her mum in series 2.
Once I have a black cat , his name was daemon :) :D
Idk why Lyra didn’t just kick the monkey seriously
It’s taboo for someone to touch another person’s Dæmon against their wishes, it’s seen as the deepest invasion of privacy and is extremely disorienting and unpleasant for the person who’s Dæmon is assaulted (it’s akin to rape in terms of how violating it can be if done unwillingly, because they’re touching harming very soul). Only the most depraved people would even consider it.
She was literally being pinned down, and was feeling the same thing that Pantalaimon was feeling. So yeah can’t really defend yourself when your caught of guard and are in excruciating pain.
Also like the person above me quite rightly said touching another’s dæmon is seriously frowned upon unless you have absolute trust with said person
I need to lay off those mushrooms. 🎯
I often see the monkey in my nightmares from this scene
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mother of the year, everybody!
Cause she's so sweet 😂🤣
Yeah i really hate lyra's parents.
Should have transformed into a Yellow Throated Marten; Yellow Throated Martens eat Monkeys.
Chills
Ok, but why didn’t Pan change into a lion, or a wolf or a bear or something?
He's a kid. He can't.
@@littlekitsune1 why?
@@daenerystargaryen5132 Well according to the books he CAN, but they are mini versions. But Pan is actually more of a pacifist than Lyra, so in this part he technically didn't fight back at all. Just got pinned. The daemon logic is actually a bit weird.
@@daenerystargaryen5132 the more the humans are young, the more their dæmons are small
Why is it that some demons talk and some don't?
All daemons talk, but only to their human generally.
Only Mrs. Coulter's doesn't talk, she straight up abuses her dæmon which is kinda a sad statement about her tightly controlled act and self-repression
@@Maatkare That makes sense.
@@Maatkare why she abuses her daemon?
@@jtstrm Same thought applies to why people hurt themselves to the point of torture, even death.
I liked Nicole Kidman as marisa