@@berthein5476 Basically, it's their new running retailer exclusive shoe. But it's a bit sad that such a legendary shoe with 10 editions has kind of taken the backseat for them instead of being given the premium treatment.
Excited about the new Hokas. Sad about all the price increases. What used to be a cheap sport is now a very expensive. Welp, I will buy last year's models
@@KoIhara y a t il des études qui prouvent que les anciens modèles ou des paires que l'on n'utilise pas avant des mois favoriserait les blessures ? J'achète régulièrement des paires soldées et ne les mets aux pieds que (au pire 1 an après) que quelques mois plus tard
Thanks for the preview! Can't wait for the new cielo to drop. Mach x3 is basically a whole year till we gonna see these is stores. Would ve loved ro see them earlier
I personally still consider the Mach X2 my favorite shoe of the year. I have had zero issues with the heal and the ride might make it the most enjoyable shoe in years. Literally just looking at it sitting by my front door makes me want to go out for a run whenever I see it. I'll check out the X3, but hopefully the release of it will mean some discounts on the X2!
Clifton with 8mm?? Instead of keeping everything the same and update the foam with a double PB/EVA blend or something alike, they increased the signature 5mm drop that makes a hoka a hoka. Baffled.
I’m excited for the new Cielo X1. One of the things that was holding me back from buying the original version was the weight compared to other race shoes, so I’m glad they’ve done something about that. I’ve been looking for a new marathon race shoe for next year and this has just moved to the top of my list. Hopefully it retains all of the great things about the original version as well.
Clifton is competing with Brooks Ghost, so I’m absolutely not surprised they increased the drop. They’ve got the Skyflow now, so it makes perfect sense. Also Clifton’s toebox almost looks anatomical now! 3:49
Clifton changes the last and the drop. It was one Hoka that really works for me. Really hoping its still going to work. Usually when the last changes, fit change. Looking forward to trying it out!
Good stuff. Hoka is one brand I've always struggled to get a good fit in. The only one I recall working well was the Bondi 4....going waaaaay back about a decade now I'd say. Haven't tried a Bondi since but maybe next year will be the time!
Hoka used to be a well kept secret of runners...and then it became a fashion statement. You see it in Sydney with multiple Hoka exclusive stores in some of the highest end retail locations in town - and the stores are packed. They are on fire, they are pricing accordingly but the fashionistas keep coming along with the poorer serious runners...
They’ve gotta get on with performance, but they seem to be catching up with midsole technology. It’s right on time, because On is eating up that athleisure segment
@@KoIhara From what I see in Sydney On has a noticeable but not huge lead over Hoka in terms of what I see on well to do people's feet. But ASICS is definitely not too far behind. adidas and Nike have really fallen out of favour...
Did you see the meta endurance interview at the same event (with a different Hoka lady) She basically said that “the foam degrades quickly, so we increased the drop to compensate - so the 8mm drop will feel like a 5mm drop after some use”…
@@applerunner1184why do I need to run 30mi in a shoe to get the shoe I bought? Clifton is now a walking shoe. I’ll go Skyflow, Mach or something else. Plus, Bondai go Supercritical foam and Clifton didn’t? Makes no sense
Did you see the Meta Endurance interview on the Clifton at the same event (with a different Hoka lady)? She basically said that “the foam degrades quickly, so we increased the drop to compensate - so the 8mm drop will feel like a 5mm drop after some use”…
The "Clifton" 10 is NOT a Clifton! I have been using the Clifton since the first version. What was Hoka thinking but turning it into a completely different trainer with that high of a drop?? I'm out, I guess. I'll stick with 0-5mm (Bondi, Slyflow, Skyward X, Mach X, my Altras, etc.)
@@paulcarlson4230 Why? I'm about to ditch Altras altogether but I am wondering why their soles don't last very long or maybe I'm just tough on my trainers? Thanks!
How they don't lose the bounce and "fun" that the Cielo X1 had. Sure, it was a little bit heavier than ideal, but that bounce and fun factor were off the charts, especially for a mid or back of the packer who still wanted to move. Hopefully they don't lose that in the 2.0.
I put one foot in a demo Cielo X1 2.0 at a HOKA event here in Austin, TX and the bounce is even better than Cielo X1 OG. The shoe is approx. 1oz lighter, it felt less bulky. Upper hold is also better.
I loved the Clifton 9. Best shoe I’ve worn (besides the fact the foam dies very quickly). I would have liked to see an improved durability in the foam and a slightly more breathable/athletic upper. A higher offset was NOT on the list. Will not be purchasing the 10’s. Hugely disappointed.
I have 400 miles on my Cielo x1s. They have been a godsend and have been my go to training shoe for tempo and threshold runs. Need to get another pair or two before they get rid of them!
Hoka Mach X3's heel collar and padding have been improved, and it might be a competitor to the Asics Superblast 3, which is also set to be released in 2025
The colorways are🔥Bondi 9 -Mach 6 - Mach x2 - Cielo X1 2.0 would make a great rotation. I'd skip the Clifton unless you want more cushion for your daily.
Looks like the new Cielo is a cross between the original Cielo X1 and the lighter Rocket X2. I have the Rocket X2 and was looking at getting the Cielo X1 for marathons, but I might hold out for this new one now.
I am so bummed about the increase to an 8mm drop on the Clifton 10. The sweet spot for me is 4-5mm and now they increased this to an 8mm. Looks like I have to find a new daily trainer . I also used to love the Rincon 3 and they did a whole change up on that shoe for the Rincon 4 and it is not the same either. I am disappointed with these two changes.
Low key excited about the Bondi 9. The 8 was great after breaknin for comfoy protective ride but it has no bounce. The 9 looks to be a great upgrade for us heavier joggers
The Bondi 8 was horrible. I bought them wore them 3 times. They feel like they have no cushion. Hoka has progressively gotten worst since they were acquired by dockers. Me hate them.
@ ahh. Ok thanks. Good to know. That may have been my problem. I think i only put 3 miles on them. I will try them some more. They just felt so stiff and non-cushioned out of the box and during first walks / short runs .
@@jerryuma I don't disagree with you at all on that. My first few runs were pretty terrible in them. I felt protected, but they didn't feel good. When they got to about 15-20 miles of running on them, they really softened up. I just did a 6 mile jog in them the other day and they felt great. It's like a totally different shoe now. I think that could be a reason they get hated on so much. Please note I'm a heavier runner, about 200 lbs, so I really compress the foam. If you're lightweight, these may not be for you. I use them when I'm sore or feeling weak for max protection as they don't bounce. They absorb the shock, and are stable but no bounce to battle with when feeling weak.
At this point it’s not even a guaranteed thing that the new carbon racer would be better than the previous generation. Rocket X 2 was so good that I’d prefer that they don’t mess with it much
they really struggle with colorways. they always start with these carnival colors and the release a cool color after you finally buy the clown shoe. Bute great shoes otherwise. So if you like the colors get em'.
As someone who haven’t liked the clifton, because of my wider foot and I prefer 8 mm drop it might fit me well. But it seems to become more a everyday/work shoe than a running shoe.
Alex Filitti has been doing excellent interviews at TRE, the Clifton 10 interview suggests it is more of the same disappointing foam used in the 9. Very sad.
i would guess late winter/early spring. the way they were discussing the MX3 being later than the others and being a fall release, i'd think late winter/early spring. the X1 came out in february
Really Don’t understand why the mach x 3 has a late release , hoka knows they messed up the heel so why fix it and delay the release. Just own up to the mistake and fox asap.
Find it strange and annoying that the Mach X2 has a gigantic production error, they have fixed the issue and are waiting a year to release it. When a very large % of users end up with bloody achilles, even runners who have never had problems in their life prior, thats a defect and should be fixed asap.
hoka had never released a X shoe as X1. everyone has been just X. and then X2. so when released as X1 i thought it was odd. so not surprised it's now X1 2.0. X1 is part of the name, not iteration
I’ve wanted and wished many things for the Clifton over all these years. A higher drop wasn’t one of them.
Agreed, the clifton looks very underwhelming. And it has a new formulation of the old foam instead of supercritical.
I don't understand why they didn't put the supercritical in the Clifton.
They can't. It would compete with the skyflow. The skyflow is basically the new clifton
@@berthein5476 Basically, it's their new running retailer exclusive shoe. But it's a bit sad that such a legendary shoe with 10 editions has kind of taken the backseat for them instead of being given the premium treatment.
yeah. that's unfortunate
The highlight of the year at Believe in the run: The charming Bekah with the new Hoka lineup.
As soon as she said the word “volume”, Thomas was out. He was there physically, but mentally he left the building.
Synch lol
poor mate, I love running shoes but I couldn't do this day after day year after year
Excited about the new Hokas. Sad about all the price increases. What used to be a cheap sport is now a very expensive. Welp, I will buy last year's models
I had thought that’s the way most folks go. It’s bit tricky retaining the long-term memory of shoe reviews from 1 year ago
Id argue with the enhancements in shoe technology that newer models are able to go longer and are more durable.
Bidenflation. Everything costs more.
@@KoIhara y a t il des études qui prouvent que les anciens modèles ou des paires que l'on n'utilise pas avant des mois favoriserait les blessures ? J'achète régulièrement des paires soldées et ne les mets aux pieds que (au pire 1 an après) que quelques mois plus tard
I’m moving away from cars to running because it’s wayyyyyy cheaper 😅 tbh spending 2-3k a yr on running stuff is a bargain compared to car parts
Hoka, PLEASE release the Mach X 3 now. Take the L on the Mach X 2 and give the people what’s they want.
I agree. Machx2 was my worst buy this year.
Thanks for the preview! Can't wait for the new cielo to drop. Mach x3 is basically a whole year till we gonna see these is stores. Would ve loved ro see them earlier
I’m so glad they fixed the heel on the Mach X3
I personally still consider the Mach X2 my favorite shoe of the year. I have had zero issues with the heal and the ride might make it the most enjoyable shoe in years. Literally just looking at it sitting by my front door makes me want to go out for a run whenever I see it. I'll check out the X3, but hopefully the release of it will mean some discounts on the X2!
Clifton with 8mm?? Instead of keeping everything the same and update the foam with a double PB/EVA blend or something alike, they increased the signature 5mm drop that makes a hoka a hoka. Baffled.
Fixed the toe box but then messed up the drop. Almost the update we needed. Passing on the Clifton
I’m excited for the new Cielo X1. One of the things that was holding me back from buying the original version was the weight compared to other race shoes, so I’m glad they’ve done something about that. I’ve been looking for a new marathon race shoe for next year and this has just moved to the top of my list. Hopefully it retains all of the great things about the original version as well.
Clifton is competing with Brooks Ghost, so I’m absolutely not surprised they increased the drop.
They’ve got the Skyflow now, so it makes perfect sense.
Also Clifton’s toebox almost looks anatomical now! 3:49
The toebox of the 9 was terrible. The one on the 10 looks very promising!
I’m interested in Clifton now if toebox wider . I mostly avoid hoka because they constantly make their shoes too narrow .
@@pbnotj1 100%
Clifton changes the last and the drop. It was one Hoka that really works for me. Really hoping its still going to work. Usually when the last changes, fit change. Looking forward to trying it out!
Good stuff. Hoka is one brand I've always struggled to get a good fit in. The only one I recall working well was the Bondi 4....going waaaaay back about a decade now I'd say. Haven't tried a Bondi since but maybe next year will be the time!
Wow. I'm impressed with Brooks and Hokas new offerings. Looks like the Cielo X1 2.0 is going to be my racer for 2025.
wheres the rocket x 3 @ ?? are they discontinuing?
Hoka used to be a well kept secret of runners...and then it became a fashion statement. You see it in Sydney with multiple Hoka exclusive stores in some of the highest end retail locations in town - and the stores are packed. They are on fire, they are pricing accordingly but the fashionistas keep coming along with the poorer serious runners...
They’ve gotta get on with performance, but they seem to be catching up with midsole technology. It’s right on time, because On is eating up that athleisure segment
@@KoIhara From what I see in Sydney On has a noticeable but not huge lead over Hoka in terms of what I see on well to do people's feet. But ASICS is definitely not too far behind. adidas and Nike have really fallen out of favour...
Officially will not be buying another Clifton, RIP my favorite ever trainer
Although I switched to the Mach range 2 years ago, I wouldn't buy the new Clifton just because anything with 8+ mm drop kills my knees :)
Did you see the meta endurance interview at the same event (with a different Hoka lady) She basically said that “the foam degrades quickly, so we increased the drop to compensate - so the 8mm drop will feel like a 5mm drop after some use”…
@@applerunner1184why do I need to run 30mi in a shoe to get the shoe I bought? Clifton is now a walking shoe. I’ll go Skyflow, Mach or something else. Plus, Bondai go Supercritical foam and Clifton didn’t? Makes no sense
Cielo X1 was shoe of the year for me. The extra ounce didn’t bother me. I hope that cutout moving doesn’t affect pronation.
Im excited for mach x3 and cielo 2.0
Excited about the updates to the Cielo and Mach X 3, but is there any news on a Rocket X 3? Rocket X 2 is one of my fav racing shoes.
Fall 25
@@colinmadbeast That was the Mach X 3, not the Rocket X 3. No news on the Rocket X 3 yet
@@grantevans No, it's the Rocket X3. It's coming this fall.
Did you see the Meta Endurance interview on the Clifton at the same event (with a different Hoka lady)? She basically said that “the foam degrades quickly, so we increased the drop to compensate - so the 8mm drop will feel like a 5mm drop after some use”…
Why on earth would they increase drop to 8m on clifton. This will be the first time I don't buy a clifton for next season
This da one we’ve been waiting for
I rotate between my Clifton and Rincon. Not sure I want a 8mm drop. May just rotate 2 pairs of Rincons.
go with the SKYFLOW to replace the Clifton, it's a better shoe
Or the Mach 6 which is better still
loved the skyward x so much that i wished a new version was coming out
Yes! The Skyward X are amazing
any date for the cielos?
I'm reading online February 2025
I've never got on with any Hoka shoe and not entirely sure why 🤔 I do however like the look of that new Cielo
I would have thought that the Mach X 3 would be a priority based on what it's costing them in returns and scraps.
what was the weight? on the mach x 3
Why the f is hoka waiting for the mach 3 till 2025. Just do a salomon and release a damn mach x 2 v2. And fix the upper now.
The "Clifton" 10 is NOT a Clifton! I have been using the Clifton since the first version. What was Hoka thinking but turning it into a completely different trainer with that high of a drop?? I'm out, I guess. I'll stick with 0-5mm (Bondi, Slyflow, Skyward X, Mach X, my Altras, etc.)
It’s their Sorority girl walking shoe now.. 😢 I’m so disappointed, I’ve had a Clifton in my rotation for forever.
Altra 👎
@@paulcarlson4230 Why? I'm about to ditch Altras altogether but I am wondering why their soles don't last very long or maybe I'm just tough on my trainers? Thanks!
Are those shoes like a size 16 ??
Waiting for Mach X3 😊
How they don't lose the bounce and "fun" that the Cielo X1 had. Sure, it was a little bit heavier than ideal, but that bounce and fun factor were off the charts, especially for a mid or back of the packer who still wanted to move. Hopefully they don't lose that in the 2.0.
I put one foot in a demo Cielo X1 2.0 at a HOKA event here in Austin, TX and the bounce is even better than Cielo X1 OG. The shoe is approx. 1oz lighter, it felt less bulky. Upper hold is also better.
I’m on my 2 ond pair of Clifton shoes, they are very comfortable, great shoes
I loved the Clifton 9. Best shoe I’ve worn (besides the fact the foam dies very quickly). I would have liked to see an improved durability in the foam and a slightly more breathable/athletic upper. A higher offset was NOT on the list. Will not be purchasing the 10’s. Hugely disappointed.
Hoka has been killing it. Hopefully they come with some nicer colorways for the mach x3 and new cielo :)
Best shoe company ❤😊
No update for Rocket X2 ?
8:42
@@halmo68 That is Mach X3, not Rocket X update.
All of those look great!
Hoping that the laces were changed on the Cielo X1 2.0….wish it was mentioned
I put my foot in one shoe in a HOKA event and yes, the new laces are much better.
I have 400 miles on my Cielo x1s. They have been a godsend and have been my go to training shoe for tempo and threshold runs. Need to get another pair or two before they get rid of them!
Hoka Mach X3's heel collar and padding have been improved, and it might be a competitor to the Asics Superblast 3, which is also set to be released in 2025
Mach 7?
The Cielo X 2.0 looks psycho 🔥
Love this time of year…little early christmas gift from BITR! Did you guys get a release date for the Cielo X1 2.0?
They said it will be released mid-Feb from another video I saw
The Bondi looks great! I'm confused though why they would they change the Clinton's drop from 5 to 8? Doesn't make sense .
Am so excited you met my work colleagues Sam and Raf from Perth West Australia 🎉
Just when the Clifton could get any more outdated…Hoka “hold my beer”. Bondi “Critical Eva” = brick
Awesome! No update to the Rocket?
Im worried about them moving the cutout on the Cielo x1.
Top athlete I am not and would prefer the extra stability
Hate that they increased the drop…
Ooooh more volume in the clifton. That's what I need :)
One of the reasons why I hated the Clifton was the low drop. Hopefully with this new 8mm drop, it's better.
Me too! Love that they increased this!
Is the Mach X 3 also replacing a possible update of the Skyward X ?
The colorways are🔥Bondi 9 -Mach 6 - Mach x2 - Cielo X1 2.0 would make a great rotation. I'd skip the Clifton unless you want more cushion for your daily.
What's the name of the shoe in the back? The Blue skyblue colored one.
Man that Clifton 10 is fire 🔥 has some looks of the Mach 4 in it
Any news on the rocket X3?
The Cielo looks more like the Rocket x2?
Anyone know if the Rocket X2 is getting an update?
Looks like the new Cielo is a cross between the original Cielo X1 and the lighter Rocket X2. I have the Rocket X2 and was looking at getting the Cielo X1 for marathons, but I might hold out for this new one now.
9:56 "i have to double check that one for you" , this reaction from her just meant that the Mach X 3 went up in weight :(
I am so bummed about the increase to an 8mm drop on the Clifton 10. The sweet spot for me is 4-5mm and now they increased this to an 8mm. Looks like I have to find a new daily trainer . I also used to love the Rincon 3 and they did a whole change up on that shoe for the Rincon 4 and it is not the same either. I am disappointed with these two changes.
So again, technically, the Skyflow is the Clifton 10, and the Clifton 10 is the Skyflow?
Low key excited about the Bondi 9. The 8 was great after breaknin for comfoy protective ride but it has no bounce. The 9 looks to be a great upgrade for us heavier joggers
The Bondi 8 was horrible. I bought them wore them 3 times. They feel like they have no cushion. Hoka has progressively gotten worst since they were acquired by dockers. Me hate them.
@jerryuma took me a good 15 miles to break them in. Now the cushion feels like a taller Clifton. They were really stiff at first.
@ ahh. Ok thanks. Good to know. That may have been my problem. I think i only put 3 miles on them. I will try them some more. They just felt so stiff and non-cushioned out of the box and during first walks / short runs .
@@jerryuma I don't disagree with you at all on that. My first few runs were pretty terrible in them. I felt protected, but they didn't feel good. When they got to about 15-20 miles of running on them, they really softened up. I just did a 6 mile jog in them the other day and they felt great. It's like a totally different shoe now. I think that could be a reason they get hated on so much. Please note I'm a heavier runner, about 200 lbs, so I really compress the foam. If you're lightweight, these may not be for you. I use them when I'm sore or feeling weak for max protection as they don't bounce. They absorb the shock, and are stable but no bounce to battle with when feeling weak.
@ thank you again, very good to know. I am around 165 lbs. I will definitely try them some more and hopefully they get better.
Any inside info on a new Skyward X!! Would love to see a sequel!!
Did she say when Cielo x1 2.0 is expected to be released?
yeahh mach x3!
Where's the next Rocket X3? 😢
At this point it’s not even a guaranteed thing that the new carbon racer would be better than the previous generation. Rocket X 2 was so good that I’d prefer that they don’t mess with it much
Hope foam better on Clifton 10, as my 9 died very fast. Liked 9 a lot other than that.
Idk I just can’t get on board with how Hokas look.
Big fan of adidas and brooks designs
they really struggle with colorways. they always start with these carnival colors and the release a cool color after you finally buy the clown shoe. Bute great shoes otherwise. So if you like the colors get em'.
@ agree. The crazy carnival colors is just too much. I like a more monochromatic colorway with traditional colors (ex adidas Evo sl )
As someone who haven’t liked the clifton, because of my wider foot and I prefer 8 mm drop it might fit me well.
But it seems to become more a everyday/work shoe than a running shoe.
Exciting indeed. No new foam on Clifton?
Alex Filitti has been doing excellent interviews at TRE, the Clifton 10 interview suggests it is more of the same disappointing foam used in the 9. Very sad.
Hoka please lower the cut height around the ankles.
I'll finally be 6ft tall with the Bondi 17
You won’t have a foot left if you were Bondi till then. I have 8 and it is one of worst shoe me ever buy.
When are we expecting the Cielo X1.2 to drop please?
i would guess late winter/early spring. the way they were discussing the MX3 being later than the others and being a fall release, i'd think late winter/early spring. the X1 came out in february
feb 15
Wish they would just recall the Mach X 2 and sell the 3 now. In the meantime Adidas Evo SL will take that spot in the rotation.
Really
Don’t understand why the mach x 3 has a late release , hoka knows they messed up the heel so why fix it and delay the release. Just own up to the mistake and fox asap.
Makes no sense considering the midsole/outsole is exactly the same. It’s not like they have to spin up a totally new shoe from scratch
The prices are going crazy here....
What foam on Clifton ???
Standard eva
yeah, the guy who made the Mach two now be sitting in foot locker wondering boy I was off on that one
Are they going to surprise us with an Arahi worth running in?😂😂😂
The Arahi is horrible and so is Bondi.
Would be nice if Hoka made shoes wide enough to fit humans
She asked for a drumroll for the Bondi and ended it with.... EVA 🤦♂️
I have been using the Clifton for years........higher drop......I may be out
Hoka either makes expensive race shoes or expensive lifestyle shoes, they can't seem to make a daily trainer at all
Has there ever been a shoe “upgrade” without a new amazing miracle foam? 😆🏃♂️🏃♂️
I have Mach x and I absolutely hate them so uncomfortable upper feels tight ankle colar is so uncomfortable
Bondi still uses EVA????
Find it strange and annoying that the Mach X2 has a gigantic production error, they have fixed the issue and are waiting a year to release it. When a very large % of users end up with bloody achilles, even runners who have never had problems in their life prior, thats a defect and should be fixed asap.
Like from Spain. Have a great day.
Gracias señor
Their upper is too much thick. Should use rocketx2 upper like instead.
Pencil me in for 10 pairs of Clifton’s 👍
Haters goin hate (7mm would be PERFECT but I’ll take 8mm 🙏)
they need to realase that mach x 3 this spring lol
Why is it a X1 2.0??? What an odd choice
Totally agree! Cielo X2 would have made much more sense
They studied the competition and realized their models were trailing Adidas by several words.
hoka had never released a X shoe as X1. everyone has been just X. and then X2. so when released as X1 i thought it was odd. so not surprised it's now X1 2.0. X1 is part of the name, not iteration
Cielo x”1 2.0”…why
Not about shoes, I love the chemistry between these two.
The Clifton looks like a moon boot!?! 👢 Higher drop not on list of desirables...
Tone it down on rizz my boi, you're taken.