Undertaking | Is It Legal?
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- Is undertaking legal in the UK? In this video we discover what the consequences can be if you do undertake. Sorry about the typo in the Intro!
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If lane hogging, which is actually an offence, was dealt with then we wouldn't need to worry about the grey area of undertaking.
Agree 100%.
Not sure that "gormlessness" is an offence but is quite common.
@@jamescaley9942 I reckon "gormlessness" could be classed as driving without due care and attention.
@@jamescaley9942 no but lane hogging is. Clearly mentioned in the highway code.
Undertaking doesn't have a grey area. It's the same as overtaking. All this bull shit "slow moving, congested, if the vehicle in lane 2 has indicated to turn right, on a one way street" bla bla bla is only advise. Yet nobody can say what speed does slow moving become not slow moving.
Motorways near me are mainly “smart” motorways and 4 lanes. Regularly you’ll get people sitting in lane 3 or 4 lane hogging at 55 to 65 with no intention of moving over. I’m more than happy to sit in lane 1 and undertake them all day, I’m not doing a 7 or 8 lane change manoeuvre to pass a lane hogger when I have a buffer of 1 or 2 empty lanes between me and them.
Me too. I actually feel safer not switching over 2 or 3 lanes just to overtake someone
I don't why, but people seem to lose the concept of lane discipline during roadworks on the carriageway/motorway 🤷♂️
@@PSNragglefraggle1 my experience is that people seem to lose the concept of lane descipline - full stop!
@Ashley Neal forgot to mention that one can undertake a car in lane 3, if lane 1 and lane 2 are empty and you are in lane 1 (i.e. one clear lane between you and a car).
Likewise. And if you were to overtake the twerp sitting in Lane 3 (on the 4-laner), they never seem to get the hint when you move back to lane 1 once you've passed them.
Undertaking is often the result of lane hogging. We need to solve the lane hogging problem so undertaking is not even a thing. Lets cure the cause, NOT the symptom
Spot on.
Without a doubt. Undertaking shouldn't need to be illegal. It just shouldn't be an option that is needed.
Undertaking in the free flowing dual carriageway/motorway situation that is. You will still need to undertake traffic waiting to turn right, on one way systems, etc. The term applies to a lot of different situations, as Ashley mentioned, that are perfectly safe and necessary for traffic to flow around towns and cities.
Lane hogging does need to be solved, not disagreeing there at all. Without it the most dangerous forms of undertaking wouldn't be possible in a majority of cases.
On M5 I've seen a nice text on many an overhead and side-road displays: "KEEP LEFT UNLESS OVERTAKING". Hope one day hoggers will understand what this means..
@@anorak-adenoids If the driver can't read English the roadsign is pointless !
I don't think it's fair to say that people are undertaking when there's someone in the outside lane with no obvious intention of moving back to the left. At that point you have no option to overtake so all you can really do is either sit behind them, slow down so that you won't pass them, or pass on the left. It's not really fair to tell someone to sit behind that person (if, for example, they're not doing the speed limit - provided the conditions are good of course), and it's not fair that they could be penalised for passing them.
@James Stewart Me either but I'm thinking of examples like the clip Ashley showed at about 7:40. I wouldn't necessarily class that as an undertake since there was no change in behaviour/positioning from either car, but I'm also not an expert.
I was disappointed Ashley didn't address this point better. It's not reasonable, realistic nor required to allow a single lane hogger to act a rolling road block for an entire motorway, especially if they are travelling under the speed limit. I have been told before as long as you're not changing lanes (aka weaving) to overtake somebody on the left there is no issue. If you simply maintaining your lane causes you to pass them on the left, the issue is with that person, not you (because it shouldn't be possible!)
@@ryanmitcham5522 Yeah I always thought that undertaking involved changing lanes, e.g. If I was in the right lane, moved to the left to pass and then came straight back to the right lane. But in a couple of Ashley's clips (like the first one, and the clip mentioned above) the vehicle that he says is undertaking is simply maintaining their speed and position. I'd say that's safer than slowing down to avoid undertaking altogether.
The reality is that you are "undertaking" but this can be deemed a legitimate manoeuvre under the circumstances you describe.
@@keith6400 as I understand it, "undertaking" is moving to the left to pass a vehicle in front (the opposite side to "overtaking"). Maintaining your course in a lane to the left of a vehicle in front, and then passing that vehicle to the left of it is "passing on the left".
This is where you get shafted as a lorry driver. 3 lane road (motorway or wherever) and as a lorry, you can't use lane 3 either because motorway rules or width restriction, cruise control on 56mph (max speed allowed for HGVs), brain dead driver sitting in middle lane going 50. What do?
Or another one. Cruise on 56mph, car goes past, then slows down, then accelerates, then slows again so you undertake. Then speeds up again. Or i move to middle lane to overtake slower car, then he speeds up, then slows down, then right as i'm about to clear him speeds up again. I look a pillock sitting in the middle lane seemingly unable to pass for ages so then multiple cars undertake me.
The icing on the cake is the driver in left lane who sees me in truck catching up behind them AND MOVES TO THE MIDDLE LANE.
Undertaking is one of those ones where you know its wrong, but in some scenarios the only other option is to either sit behind them, sit in the left lane and follow the rules, creating a bottleneck or blockage if its 2 lane, or just undertake. Its also why i sorta feel that car drivers, like lorry and bus drivers, should receive mandatory yearly education. You can pass at 17 and drive for the next 50 years never bothering to learn anything again, never being checked for competency. Its wrong.
Spot on 👆🏻
Personally, I try to be fully aware of the rules and capabilities not just as they apply to me as a car driver but also as they apply to other road users such as pedestrians, cyclists, buses, trucks.
Just as you described, there are situations where the rules of the road are slightly different for different classes of vehicles therefore each vehicle class would behave slightly differently in the same circumstances. Being aware of these differences helps me better understand what I should be expecting from other road users around me and what they might be expecting from me too.
Roads are potentially deadly places to be - even in stationary traffic. So we should all do our best to co-operate rather than compete with each other
This is exactly what motorway driving with a blackbox is like as well, minus the not using lane 3 thing
If only there was some way for a lorry to slow down from 56mph to 50mph.
@@TristanSilverwood Yes, I agree. My list of other types of road users wasn't meant to be definitive!
Here in Merseyside, there are many roads that have a speed limit of 20mph that are part of public bus routes. While nearly all buses have automatic gearboxes, there are still gear-changes made. For many buses, that gear-ratio means that the gear-change is at about 18mph.
Road speed-limits of 20mph have usually been imposed relatively recently and so pre-date the designs of the bus's gearboxes.
So quite often, I've found, that I'm following a bus that is travelling between 15-18mph - usually downhill - because the driver is trying to avoid the gearbox from constantly juddering between gears and causing an uncomfortable journey for passengers who might be standing up.
Just one of many examples of how other classes of vehicles might need to use our shared roads.
Middle lane hoggers need to be prosecuted for driving without due care and attention, it is just as bad if not worse.
And during one motorway journey a single lane hogger will affect so many other drivers.
Agreed. Lane-hogging is the root cause of "undertaking". It's the lane-hoggers who need dealing with. Excessive lane-hogging should result in points and a fine.
One is legal, the other isnt.
Undertaking does not fall under driving without due care and attention. If it did it would be illegal.
@@dfar2303, the force you want actually exists, it will be your area’s “Traffic” section, round my way called the Roads Policing Unit.
Unfortunately, due to all the cutbacks in the public sector, twixt 2011 & 2018 a total of 55,000 approx Police jobs were lost in cutbacks, 20,000 of them front line jobs, (thanks Darth May), and while BoJo has promised to re-recruit the 20,000, they still have, a) more paperwork to do due to fewer specialised backroom staff, & b) a higher workload due to the cutbacks in other sectors, not in the least Mental Health, which regularly takes up a lot of Police time:- priorities aside, Police are the only emergency service that cannot say no! (The priorities mean they Can say not yet, so if you were burgled you might not get a visit for hours because there’s fights, robberies etc in progress, thus a higher importance to the public as a whole.)
"I think its time we discussed undertaking"
Said as you drive past a graveyard!
😂😂😂😂
Epic spot. 👏
I think that is what is meant by “production values”.
Recently on the 4 lane stretch of the M3 where it's a smart motorway. Lanes 3 and 4 are busy, with flow of traffic speeds seeming to range between 65 and 90mph. Lane 2 has some vehicles in them, mostly going 55-75mph. I'm in lane 1, which seems to be all but empty as if people now have an aversion to ever want to use that lane of the smart motorway. If I wanted to overtake a car in lane 2, I'd have to come over and then speed up to slice in to lane 3 and match the flow of traffic, causing me to increase fuel consumption when I'm trying to preserve fuel given prices these days, then overtake the vehicle in lane 2, then come back in and cut back over to lane 1 if I was wanting to drive properly and continue with proper lane discipline. To me it just feels safer to just stay in lane 1, watch for any cars coming into lane 2 that may look like they will want to use lane 1, and even flash those in lane 2 to let them know they can come over, and then undertaking when they seem to have no intentions to want to move into lane 1. It's a shame that undertaking has to be the issue we discuss rather than properly policing lane hogging and not teaching proper lane discipline.
If traffic in lane 2 is moving slower than lane 1 then you don’t have to move around it, you are simply driving past slower moving traffic.
I think that as long as it is done properly and without any malice it’s fine to undertake, especially middle lane hoggers.
I have only undertaken once or twice in 2 years that I have been driving. Usually see it happen on the motorway where people join and dive straight to the last lane without having accelerated properly and cause near crashes, now that I’d consider malicious
Ashley gives you a 👍yet he said it's classed under dangerous driving!!!
@@mikehunter2844 Did you actually listen to what he said in the video? It's very simple. Doing it CAN be dangerous, or it can be done safely. So, if it looks dangerous to you (or to a 'competent driver'), then doing it would be classed as careless or dangerous driving. The act of undertaking is not in itself illegal, it's the circumstances in which it is done and how, that makes it so.
@@another3997 He said Quote " Undertaking is not only singularly classed as careless driving...." (He didn't say it may be, or might be or could be) If that was the case then it would be illegal. Its allowed on any road in UK that has more than one lane in your direction, and doesn't have to be in congested traffic.
Did you know careless driving is illegal in UK? Undertaking is not.
I'm beginning to think you don't know what "undertaking" means.
@@another3997 And BTW if you had played more attention you would have noticed where Ashley said, again Quote "Lane hogging is dealt with in the same way as undertaking is. ie. Under the careless driving blanket" In other words and for you to understand, he's saying both are illegal. Don't be commenting until you read, observe and know the facts, boy.
Remember this :-
Undertaking is NOT illegal, Lane hogging IS. So they are NOT under the same bracket.
@@mikehunter2844 Yes, and no, they are dealt with under the same prosecution classification, in other words, if prosecuted BOTH are prosecuted as Driving without due Care and Attention. That does NOT state whether either or both are illegal or unadvisable. It is simply stating that they are both classified when prosecuted under the same bracket legally.
THAT is what he was saying, people need to brush up on their basic comprehension skills. Like taking the context of the entire video into consideration when watching it, given that he had stated (correctly) that Undertaking is not itself illegal but CAN be prosecuted under some circumstances.
So it appears that perhaps you yourself may want to pay more attention..... Especially to context.
Undertaking is ONLY a problem when done dangerously, its not about when you are 'allowed' to do it, its NOT a driving offence to undertake!
If you can pass on the left safely then there is no legal reason why you can't and the police cannot just slap you with without due care just because they don't like it.
I will and do pass police vehicles on the left, I get the vast majority think its illegal and a big no no and you then have people like Neal trying to say its not illegal but...... And then trying to cloud things to the point of doing what he 'thinks' you should.
Correct.
Anybody who says it falls under careless driving doesn't know the difference between doing it safely and carelessly.
"Eduction is a process in which the Earth's crust spreads sideways, exposing deep-seated rocks."
Drivers going sideways is very apt, given the current climate.
I do it occasionally under certain circumstances but I am always careful.
How are you careful?
Same here but generally it's when there's someone in the overtaking lane going under the speed limit for some reason
Out of curiosity Would you do it if the person you wanted to get passed was doing the speed limit?
@@radishpea6615
By focusing on the lane hogger & giving them the look of death as you pass 🤣
@@Back4RoundTwo Then you'd have to ask yourself why someone would be in the overtaking lane and not crossed back to the left hand lane should that be clear? I know a few people who have been charged recently for sitting in the overtaking lane when the Left was clear, even then if they were doing the speed limit and you were also doing the same speed you shouldn't be able to pass them nor catch them up
"When can you undertake"???
Ans: When it's safe to do so.
*3.56* Four lanes in heavy traffic at around maximum speed. Any driver with any cop on would never even attempt to move from lane one to four then back again. Any driver who thinks it's safer to do so is fooling themselves.
Illegal or not, surely it is more dangerous to change lane four times to get around someone hogging the middle lane.
So if you come up to one of those plonkers on the motorway who drive at 50 mph, dozing in the right-hand lane, what are you meant to do?
Stay behind them and hoping they will eventually wake up?
Carefully overtake them on the left, allowing for the fact that they probably do not bother to indicate or look if they do eventually move left?
The only drivers I have seen being pulled by the police up are the ones who zoom past with a high differential speed. I have never seen anyone pulled up for undertaking when they have done it carefully in a non-careless way.
I've asked this question over a year ago yet nobody has answered it.
Where in the Highway Code does it say you *must not* overtake on the left?
Entry 267 and 268 say that. I looked it up online, i'm not an expert.
@@johnny2hats329 Neither of those rules say that.
@AlZheimer-hs8wi
The interpretation of the act of undertaking is passing a vehicle on its left hand side and is not an offence. That does not include offences committed before or after the undertake.
Before watching the video; I undertake people about 50% of the time when I encounter them. If they refuse to keep to the outside lane, why would I endanger myself by travelling through 2 lanes only to go back at least one again. They should see me pass them if they pay attention, and I should pay extra care while in their blind spot, and only do it if I can go onto the shoulder need be
Undertaking being fine on a one way street interests me. How is that any different to undertaking on a dual carriageway given that the oncoming traffic is separated by the central reservation?
If someone is to the right of me driving under the speed limit I will undertake them without hesitation at the speed limit providing they are not indicating left.
@BlueBoy 1 I was told by a driving instructor that drivers don't need to signal to get back into lane one or two after overtaking as moving back to those lanes is where the driver should be having overtaken. But i do signal to move back over in case some bozo tries to undertake me.
@@tonycritcher3419 That's one idiot driving instructor. You should always use your indicators, even if you can't see any traffic.
@@notmyname4261 yes, changing lanes especially. And I signal even if there's nobody around. It is just habit to signal. Mind you I suppose people on their phones rarely take much notice of indicators or brake lights, They seem to have more important things to do!
@@tonycritcher3419 if your moving back into lane 2 after an overtake a car from lane 1 may want to move into the same lane to overtake. Your driving instructor should never be allowed to teach beginners.
@@mikehunter2844 That was over 40 years ago. I always used my indicators when changing lanes. That is why she told me not to, as I did it whilst out on a lesson in her car. I did it naturally after many years of motor cycling. And I'm still signalling my intentions today.
Not only do lane hoggers increase the likelihood of someone undertaking, they also make overtaking riskier because people overtaking have to switch more lanes, not to mention the build up of traffic and aggravation they cause.
Have to agree. Some people say if you undertake then the car you are passing in lane 2 will less likely check their mirrors moving back into lane 1. In that case what makes them think, that includes Ashley, moving from lane 1 to 4, overtake, then 4 to 3, then 3 to 2, 2 to 1 would be any safer? I think it's them who should think again!
You seem to be confusing actually undertaking with merely passing a slower moving vehicle, there is a difference
Undertaking, like overtaking has got nothing to so with changing lanes, but passing vehicle(s) on the left or right.
In my opinion, re: the white Jag in lane 2. When travelling in lane 1 approaching the slower Jag in Lane 2, in those conditions the risk of moving from lane 1 across to lane 3 and back again is higher than remaining in lane 1 and passing on the nearside; if having observed the Jag for a sustained period with it remaining in lane 2, it is a more appropriate manoeuvre
I'd have done the same. The Jag driver deserves to receive points and a hefty fine for driving without due care and attention. That was an awful display of driving from them and demonstrates a total lack of lane discipline.
What might happen that makes overtaking on left be classed as dangerous driving? If I'm passing a car to my right and he/she before I'm level with it, moves into my lane and hits me how would I be charged for be driving dangerously or carelessly? Confused, help.
If somebody says it's not illegal, that doesn't mean they will do it. Ashley you have got this one completely wrong. Can you not just accept it. Didn't you say a few years back that undertaking was illegal? Can you send me the link where you got your information about being charged for dangerous driving if you're caught undertaking??
Had a Merc undertake me at what must have been 100mph when I was coming up to a temporary 60mph on motorway, had a big smile on my face when he got flashed.
And the cops pulled him in for speeding and not the undertaking.
So ...... pretty much as I thought. Not illegal but, as with everything in life - a time and place where it is ok to pass on the left.
Thanks for the clarification Ash.
Stay safe everyone 👍
Exactly. 👍
If its not illegal, how and why does Ashley mention "driving with undue care or dangerous driving"????? It is illegal, except in certain circumstances - you have to be doing the right one!!!!
@@csjrogerson2377 These certain circumstances are only advise when you "should only" do it. Ashley said you can do it on a one way street. I'm saying you can do it om a two way street on any street once there are 2 lanes in your direction. There is no speed to differate congested from non congested traffic. Undertaking is allowed up to the speed limit.
@@saundersdachicken6197 Your "should only" is an exception to the law. The law is "no undertaking". As for no speed differentiation between congested and non-congested, that just odd. Non-congested traffic will be moving quicker and if you undertake in that circumstance you run the risk of being cited. Your final sentence is just untrue in the UK.
@@csjrogerson2377 The law is not "no undertaking" as there is no law that prohibits it. If lane 2 I'd doing 50mph and lane 1 is undertaking at 51mph does that mean it's not congested??? Or what about 30mph in lane 2 and 31 in lane 1??. You will find nothing in the Highway Code or the RAT that proves your point.
This is from a Director of Traffic Offences.
"The specific offence of undertaking (or nearside undertake) was actually removed from the statute books with the introduction of the 1972 Road Traffic Act, and although the Highway Code advises against it, there is no specific law that prevents it." - Director of Traffic Offenses, West Mercia Police.
I've been driving for something like 57 years. I learn something new on pretty much every one of your presentations.
So there's hundreds of things you didn't know about driving before Ashley came along? 🤣🤣🤣
@@saundersdachicken6197 and yet i manage to be a more skillful driver than you.
@@inyobill During the war......
@@saundersdachicken6197 Close enough, mate, close enough.
Great video as always. Have you done a video before about parking on dropped kerbs? This one always sparks debate amongst motorists and the legality of it. Would be interesting to see that.
I have to admit, I do it quite frequently, but I live very close to the M20, and there are often people hogging L3, when L1 and L2 are free, so I keep to L1 to undertake.
If they're in L2, I'll keep to L1, give a flash to let them know they can move over, but if they don't, I back off and overtake in L3, then move (carefully) back to L1.
Sometimes they get the hint, but they're mostly belligerent twits 😂
A flash is a purely UK signal, rarely used elsewhere. The signal can confuse, annoy and is purely local, be aware.
@Oldladysgin I rarely drive in other countries, so that's not really an issue. Also, odd thing to comment when I'm a Brit, commenting on a video recorded in Britain, uploaded by a British driving instructor 🤔
@@nicksh1990 But I´m not a Brit though have driven hundreds of thousands of miles in that country.
@@nicksh1990 I was an ADI for many years and had my own chauffering business etc.
My comments are general and the hardest comments of all? I save for my own driving.
Some drivers are regularly tempted to undertake you say. You also say they shouldn't do it because it's dangerous. Dangerous driving is illegal, yet you said undertaking is not illegal. Think you should explain that to your viewers.
Ashley, since it has become legal to undertake since 1972 and as you say it is now only allowed in slow moving traffic, then it must have been illegal to pass on inside at any speed?
Top draw. Ashley you give information that is unbiased, it also makes you stop and reconsider that driving is a privilege.
Let's be realistic and I'm talking about motorway driving to be clear. Drivers that don't return to the inside lanes after overtaking should be equally liable. A motorway is in effect a oneway street, admitted with a faster speed limit, but now we have 4 lanes. Lane hoggers are driving without due care and attention in my opinion. I see this all the time as a high milage motorway driver, but don't get upset about it. I do sometimes undertake if there's someone in lane 4 doing 60 mph and lane 2 is clear. If I did get pulled for this non-offense I would try my best to defend it in court. You all know how that would work out 😪😯😥
If you do it carefully and deliberately with no more than 10kph difference between you and the zombie in lane 3 you will be OK. The cops go after the tailgater and light flasher who jerks into lane 2 aggressively and then zooms by at a speed difference of greater than 20 kph and then jerks back out to lane 3 at a very high speed.
This is not the way to do it as it makes no allowance for panic or sudden movements on the part of the suddenly awake lane hogger.
@@jgdooley2003 Doesn't matter what the speed difference is. Undertaking is the same as overtaking, just done on different sides. Both are equally legal.
@@jgdooley2003 Can you send a link that the 10km/h difference myth came from? I checked the Highway Code for it but it never mentioned it.
@@mikehunter2844 Highway code is for UK, different country. I live in the Republic of Ireland, free since 1922. I was advised by the roads policing unit that speed differences are the big cause of collisions on multilane roads. Also that people changing lanes both from inner and outer lanes must give way to traffic on the other lanes. Some people think they can change to the left lane without looking, they are wrong.
@@jgdooley2003 If the speed difference in the ROI between two lanes is 20km/h the Gardaí will not and cannot pull you in for doing so. Like the UK there is no law that prohibits undertaking in ROI on motorways. If there's a major difference they *may* pull you in for driving at an inappropriate speed and not for undertaking. The same if you are overtaking.
Generally if it's in heavy traffic and there has been no deliberate lane change to perform the undertake it should be ok , as in Ashley's examples (stay in lane, turning traffic etc) where a driver has deliberately changed lanes to the left to go past that is where there is the possible offence committed
Your comment throws the best light on this grey situation...Thank you!
If lane one is empty after an overtake you are supposed to move into it. After doing so, there is no law that prevents you from overtaking a vehicle to your right. Whether that's done "deliberately" or not, it's an offence to not move back into lane one.
But why do you say a temporary speed limit of itself means stay in lane, first I’ve heard of that?
Driving from London to the Midlands I often come across lane 2 and 3 chocker block with slow moving cars but lane 1 is absolutely clear.
I will reduce speed to 60 - 65 tops and undertake with extream caution, observing 3 to 5 cars ahead for any sign a lane change.
I genuinely don't gey the argument of undertaking is bad as "people don't expect you to pass on the left so might move into you" because you should be checking your damn mirrors!
For the people who say that people don't expect you to be coming up on their left hand side or are less likely to check their left I wonder do they have any backup on this? They just say that because somebody told them. Ask them themselves do they check to their left. You know what they'll say.
As with most things in law, it's a grey area. It's not technically illegal to undertake (as in, there is no specific offence) however it may constitute you being reported for driving without due care or dangerous driving. It's one of those ones - you read the road and traffic ahead and work out if it's reasonably safe to perform an undertake. The clip at 3:53 shows someone undertaking but they've totally failed to read the road which is why they weren't prepared for the white van to change lane and a collision almost occurred. When I'm driving, I'm not only driving my car, I'm driving everyone else's too - that's the mindset you need to avoid problems.
AT 4:20 Ashley makes a move from lane 1 to 3 to overtake and back in to 1. That's ok on an almost empty free flowing motorway. He should have picked a time when it's busy ( 3:35 ) with traffic moving around the speed limit and a hogger in lane 3 of 4 lanes. Any driver with a little bit of experience would favour passing on inside than make multiple lane changing. And to clear up the rubbish , It's NOT illegal and does NOT fall under careless driving.
It would fail a driving test
@@ashley_neal
Under what law would a driving instructor mark undertaking as a fail?? You said it's allowed on a one way street or a one way system. One side of a dual carriageway and a motorway is one way systems, and as you said it's legal to undertake. A hogger that's in lane 2 or 3 or 4 or even more does not set the speed limit. If a sign says 70mph well that is what it is. The only time you could fail is if the undertaking is done without due care and attention or reasonable consideration for other road users. Both are careless driving.
You obviously know more than me then. It’s a Driving Examiner by the way.
@@ashley_neal
I don't know what the problem is but being a driving instructor, you shouldn't have any problem answering the question. Isn't that what part of the driving instructors duty is.
@@ashley_neal On a 60mph dual carriageway what speed would not be a fail for undertaking?
@3.46 . Cammer had no reason to move from lane 3 to 4 especially when there's a car one sec behind. He should have stayed in lane 3 as there was nothing in front.
This is why I hate middle lane hogs so much. When I drive to Bournemouth there are people who will just sit on the middle lane and happily drive until it’s their time to come off even though all the lanes are clear.
But hogging the middle lane can also be classed as careless driving
@@adamedwards4839 Move to that little lane to the left of you then?
I sometimes pass lane hoggers on the left slowly and predictably if moving across two or more lanes just to pass them seems more unsafe than simply passing on the left, such as a busy stretch of motorway.
What are your thoughts on this? I approach slowly and then when I'm in their blind spot I swiftly pass to remain visible to the driver.
There's a lot of situations I have been where that seems way safer than crossing multiple lanes and it doesn't interrupt traffic flow.
Ideally the best situation would be that everyone stayed left unless overtaking, but we all know many drivers don't do that and I believe that's way more dangerous and disruptive.
Not really an answer which I guess should be different for car drivers. I ride a small 125cc motorcycle (weighs less than a car and less than a proper motorbike) and last week when the wind was so high I was nearly pushed out of my lane, I would never even think of doing two lane switches right and left to pass a slow middle lane hogger in those circumstances. But for similar reasons, even in perfect weather, on a 40mph+ dual carriageway I will never take the increased risk of switching lanes unless I need to take an exit or avoid the exit that I will automatically take if I stay on the lane. But as I say this is my perspective on a small motorbike, on cars I would guess it's no trouble to properly switch lanes here and there. For me though if there's a little bump I can feel it and sometimes the bike actually jumps off the ground, imagine that happening when switching lanes. 😂
Same thinking here, If I'm in L1 and some ones hogging L2 I would undertake ( and I mean maintain my speed ) with caution as going 2,3,2,1 seems a greater risk. Also I wouldn't go 3,2,1,2,3 to pass someone!
@James Stewart The same would also apply if overtaking on the right!! As I mentioned...with caution.
I think the best way to deal with lane hoggers is to sit 6 feet from their back bumper and flash your lights until they move over. If they don't move over within 12 seconds I undertake as fast as possible... Oh no, I don't drive an Audi 😉
In my experience, drivers that cross two lanes to undertake often do so dangerously and aggressively. If I make a note of the vehicle, I often find that they are still within my view, even twenty miles down the highway. It just doesn't seem worth it, particularly on a congested highway.
on a motorway the middle and outside lane are for overtaking only, not for a jolly, if a car you come across in the middle lane that has been in the middle lane by himself in the middle of the night , it is legal to undertasske him, drivers in the middle lane and outer lane must keep up with the pace of traffic
Those double white lines in the tunnel are to tell you there is no lane changing. Nothing to do with overtaking on left or right.
I haven't seen any specific wording in the RTA that explicitly states that passing on the left is illegal. Can someone cite the actual rule that states this?
There is one rule that says do not do it. But none that says you must not do it.
Highway code 165. Its not explicit, but by inference - you may only move left when the car in front is indicating right. Also says that if you are in different lanes and the nearside one is going faster - its OK.
@@csjrogerson2377 That's when there a only one lane on your side of the road and there's plenty of room for you to pass a vehicle that is turning right.
There is a strong difference between undertaking and passing traffic on the inside.
On the M3 every day, lanes 2,3 & 4 will always have lane hoggers. I just pass them all on the inside with my coach at 60.
I do it only when Necessary like when someone is just sitting in the outside lane on the motorway or the flow of traffic on the inside lane is quicker.
If you are in lane 1 for instance and you are doing the speed limit, although it may be slightly more dangerous to ‘undertake’ it is not illegal. What is illegal is weaving between lanes to make progress.
It might just be me,but i swear there is a mob of people who go out of their was to slow up traffic by sitting in the outside lane,way under the limit and refuse to move over.I am positive it is a control thing for many of them.
I have seen cars move from lane 1 to lane 3 of a motorway for no reason whatsoever,it's almost like they look out for cars going faster than them and then pull out to slow them down to their speed.
If undertaking can make premiums go up by 40% then lane hoggers should get an 80% increase.Do away with the lane hoggers and most people would have no reason to undertake in the first place.
Totally agree. Lane-hogging should incur huge fines and points.
Undertaking makes your premiums go up is pure rubbish. I'd take that with a pinch of salt.
Overtake properly: across two lanes on rainy day is more dangerous than undertake lane hogger in my view
If you can only undertake when the car to the right has signalled to turn right then its illegal to undertake if its not siginal to turn right. 😂😂. Ohhh Ashley!
Yes, undertaking is legal. Though, for it to be legal - it must be done with due care and attention, and safely. If there is enough space and time to do this safely, the person being undertaken should probably kit be there in the first place.
If done properly, it can be legal, and you can be free of any potential for prosecution.
Sorry Ashley the video is not exactly clear to me. Say someone is travelling 65mph in the right hand lane in a duel carriageway and not moving left, and I am coming up on the left at 70 then do I slow down as to not undertake or just continue to drive on
I'd say you'd be fine to undertake. Dual-carriageways can be tricky, some break out into turnings into side roads across the central reservation, so a driver could be positioned early in lane two and slowing ahead of turning right into a side road or business etc. Even if they are just pootling along at 60 in lane two with lane 1 being clear and they aren't turning right any time soon, you'd be fine to undertake. Though as with everything regarding driving, keep your wits about you, and do it cleanly and as safely as possible.
On my daily commute on a dual carriageway, there's a section of average speed check cameras, 40mph.
I had 2 cars sitting in lane 2 doing 37mph, nothing in lane 1, so neither of them overtaking, just lane hogging.
I undertook both of them at 40mph, the 1st got pissy at me, flashed his lights repeatedly. Once out of the average speed cameras, he flew past me giving me all sorts of gesticulations.
I knew undertaking wasn't illegal as I past my motorbike licence 18months ago, a topic which is quite useful for motorcyclists.
I recently was driving on the M60 near Stockport in my 7.5t truck, when I approached a car in the middle lane doing between 45 and 50 mph. I couldn't overtake it in the third lane as I'm not allowed. So I just drove along the first lane unable to pass the car. This episode went on for approximately five miles. I didn't undertake due to driving a truck you have more responsibility. But lane hoggers are a constant pain for us truck drivers.
Ashley, with all due and respect I find that story of the journalist and the Porsche hard to believe.
Do you think I’m that inventive to make it up?
I have to agree. You cannot be charged for an offence you didn't committ.
Happy New Year, Mr. Neal. Here's to you and how you help people see the errors in their conduct and calm down . It's great.
Thanks for your comments! Happy New Year to you also!!!
Maybe I haven't quite understood this but, am I right to assume that providing you are within the speed limit and it is safe that you are allowed to undertake? I remember the question coming up on the theory test when I passed years ago and it basically said you can undertake if the traffic in your right is going slower than you are
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Yes you can undertake. You can also move to the lane on your left and after doing so, you can undertake. Rule 268 proves this.
in most situations, I don't mind being undertaken, it's just part of being aware of your surroundings.
Undertaking only becomes an issue for me, is when the car behind me in lane 2 just after a roundabout, switches to lane one and aggressively speeds up and actively doesn't take time for me to accomodate them.
Sorry Ashe, but you are wrong on this one.😓
So here’s a question: Slow moving HGV is sitting at 60-65 mph in lane 2 you know you need to be off on the next junction (I’m travelling a short distance along this road and never leave lane 1) so I need to move from lane 1 to 3 and back to overtake a HGV? That seems more dangerous than just undertaking I need to be back into lane 1 so I don’t miss the exit.
That driver at 3:45 was shocking!
Ashley you said people who just pass on inside should look as this in more detail. I hope you include bus drivers and taxi drivers.
People always rag on BMW and Audi drivers for being dangerous/reckless. But I swear to god some of the most dangerous maneuvers I've ever seen have been people in people carriers.
I saw a woman in a C4 Picasso other night doing 70-80 in a 50 on her travels to B&Q...must have been in a massive hurry for some tungsten-tipped screws.
Thanks for all the excellent videos Ashley. I passed back in 2019, but still watch your videos.
Although the Juke at 6:45 undertakes the Merc, the Merc is making incorrect use of the outside lane and is just as prosecutable...and often the undertaker in this scenario has little choice since the car in the outside lane will, more often than not, stay there...
If I'm in the left lane, there's a big space in front of me, and I'm doing 70mph, then I'm going to stay doing 70mph. I'm not going to slow down for the middle lane. I'm not going round the long way. F them.
Passing to the nearside is not a *Summary Offence* (or, at this time of year, a Wintry offence), but should an incident occur it will be taken into account and CD10/20/30 issued (3 to 9 points). Points mean prizes, and sufficient points mean it's a criminal record (like the Birdy Song). There could even be a DD40/90. (DD90 is "Furious Driving" - a bit like the Duke of Edinburgh did with his four horse buggy).
Under Construction and Use no nearside door mirror is required. This means that there is a potential blindspot to the left, so passing to the nearside is unwise at any time.
On a one-way road (as in the tunnel) passing to the nearside is perfectly OK. Note: passing is not the same as overtaking. Passing is making progress in a lane, overtaking is making progress and changing lanes to facilitate progress.
@RoseTintedWindscreen Could you point to the C&U section that obtains? My experience of this was when building a car for SVA. I can't remember a case where this was a factor when I was a magistrate. I'd appreciate clarification in this matter.
@RoseTintedWindscreen That suggests that buses and minibuses must, after 1983, be fitted with nearside and offside mirrors. (Or "Unbodied tricycles and quadricycles other than mopeds" of any age!).
The point I was making was that nearside mirrors are not mandatory on all vehicles, so there may be a blindspot to the nearside, so it is unwise to pass to that side.
I have commented in the past that there is no blind-spot - you should use the lifesaver - but to the nearside that is not so easy as there are seats and headrests that get in the way.
So here is a question, you are in lane one on a 3 lane motorway travelling at a steady 70, and you get overtaken by someone doing 70 + in lane two, but as soon as they pass you and remain in lane two, they slowdown to less than the 70 you are doing. are you now expected to brake to avoided undertaking them?.
When the M25 has Prius taxis doing 57 mph in a 70 and they are in the 5th lane out of 6, there's no other option but to undertake.
I drive regularly on the M25 and so much of the time I'm cruising in lane 1 at 70 passing all these cars sitting in lane 3 doing 65. Madness. But obviously those idiots who weave in and out of heavy traffic should be locked up and their cars crushed.
Whilst not seeking to defend undertaking, often (though not always) it's borne out of frustration due to poor lane discipline. I remember in the late 80's or early 90's that there was a public education campaign via leaflets through letterboxes, explaining that there are no 'slow' or 'fast' lanes, only the nearside lane and overtaking lane(s).
In my opinion we desperately need a modern version of this campaign, perhaps via social media advertising. There are so many drivers out there who are utterly oblivious to the fact they're even doing anything wrong when they're lane hogging, and it feels like the problem is getting worse. As well as tempting other drivers into trying dangerous undertaking manoeuvres, it increases congestion and just makes travelling on our motorways and dual carriageways a deeply frustrating experience.
Totally agree with this. The issue is lane-hogging. "Undertaking" is a byproduct of that. As long as there are lane-hoggers, there will be drivers passing them on the inside, myself included.
If a hogger is doing 60mph in lane 2, 3, or 4 I wouldn't say it is dangerous to undertake.
When i discussed this topic (dual carriageway/motorway) with my ROSPA instructor, his reply was “you can drive st 70mph in every lane”...
Well, technically you can (on a motorway or dual carriageway, vehicle depending), if the conditions and traffic allow.
@@EightPawsProductionsHD Like what conditions would prohibit undertaking?
I used to live in San Diego California, at first it freaked me out, all the lanes doing different speeds and if you get a gap to over/under take you take it and pass, after a little while I got used to it and its much better imo, generally the outside lane is the overtaking lane on a 5/6/7 lane highway but all the other lanes are fair game, you just weave in and out like a go-cart track.
Leaving Wakefield towards Belle Vue is a two lane road.
Lane 1 is a Bus Lane 4pm to 6pm.
At ANY TIME OF DAY There’ll be a hundred cars queuing up in Lane 2 leaving the ‘Bus Lane’ in Lane one completely, utterly and totally deserted.
I drive up the left of them. They then have the cheek to cut in at the end of the bus lane when it reverts to one lane, cutting across me.
It even happens on Sunday morning when the bus lane was only Mon to Fri 4pm to 6pm.
EVERYONE , over 100 cars were in lane2.
Only ME was in lane 1 at 0730 Sunday morning.
Is this permitted?
Yes it's allowed on any multi lane road in UK. When the bus lane is out of use you will never see cops pulling in the bus for undertaking. Neither will you see the twats pulling in in front of the bus but will do it on the private motorist.
What about when you’re planning to take the next junction that you’re approaching?
Its not right to undertake but surely far more dangerous to go round the outside only to have to swing back over the the inside lane again??
Equally, slowing down to match the speed of the lane hogger is also dangerous.. what do you advise here.
If that "motoring journalist" who said he got convicted for undertaking alone, then he was lying and he wasn't a motoring journalist, or is Ashley leaving out the rest of the story like constantly weaving in and out of lanes to undertake and overtake. Thats a different matter and the cops WOULD pull you in for doing so.
I agree, it's way too simplistic to say that somebody was convicted for undertaking, please give the full context and details of the circumstances. It is plainly false to state as an absolute fact that it is illegal to undertake as there are circumstances on the road that not only allow but indeed necessitate undertaking... give more context and detail in your examples please Ashley
@@kenmc7641 Is that Ned?
How do you deal with the deliberate block? I have noticed this happening more often. Driving along on a dual carriageway another vehicle either pulls out to overtake and then eases up to run parallel with the vehicle on the inside lane or pulls out from the inside lane when there is no traffic to overtake. I had this recently where a car pulled out and ran alongside a lorry for a few minutes and then very slowly overtook and moved in slowly with no indicator. All done deliberately, as I could clearly see the driver looking in their rear view mirror. I know this is people being silly, but it can cause tailbacks and bunching. Plus if I am on my bike, the last thing I want is to be in the blindspot of a lorry for any time at all. I assume it is just anti-bike stuff.
Another great video Ashley!
So, as a trucker, here’s my stance, which carries across to my car driving, and motorbike riding too.
Don’t do it if you Can pass on the offside.
Don’t do it if you need to switch left a lane cos someone pulled out to pass something that then moved left! The vehicle that moved right will probably be looking to move back left & you’re in the danger zone.
DON’T ZIG ZAG through the lanes, especially through small gaps; a Traffic Car has cameras and that’ll be good evidence for Dangerous Driving.
IF you Must do it, (&as a trucker lane 3 of 3 is no option) eg, slow lane hogger, Don’t do it within 2 miles approaching a junction! Be mindful that they May move left without warning.
And on a final note, if two cars are moving in convoy slower than most traffic, be very wary! Unlikely, but a potential for crash for cash.
I did it the other day in my town. Dual carriageway, im doing 30 in the left lane &thecar in the right lane was going considerably slower. I had no choice but to undertake. Didnt even feel guilty doing it right in front of the police station either 😆 the highway code will back me up.
The Highway Code is not in itself a definitive statement of what is, or is not legal. It is considered a "good practice" guide, as only some of the rules are legally binding (those that say "you must" and then refer to relevant statutes). The rest is advisory, littered with statements such as "if it is safe to do so". Meaning that doing something that is advised in the HC, but doing it in a dangerous or careless way, will still leave you guilty of an offence. 😉
@6:52 with the mercedes staying in the right lane and not moving back to the left. What should the nissan approaching in the middle lane do? Would it be considered "undertaking" if they moved to the left lane and passed them so they leave a one lane gap between them. If they can't, then presumably the nissan would have to either sit behind the mercedes or slow down to make sure they don't pass them.
I would have done exactly the same thing as the Nissan driver. The driver of the Merc should receive points and/or a fine in my opinion for driving without due care and attention. It might sound Draconian, but it's the only way these morons will learn. Nothing wrong with what the Nissan driver did whatsoever.
@@lr5777 Completely agree. Nissan driver didn't do any aggressive moves and maintained their speed in their lane.
@@CyclingDaz On a serious note, I would have preferred to see the Nissan driver perform a PIT manoeuvre on the Merc before setting the driver on fire. Seems like the most humane way of dealing with lane-hoggers to me.
@@lr5777 😂😂
Average speed limits have got nothing to do with undertaking.
If I'm doing 90mph and overtake or undertake a vehicle doing 70mph I would not get done for overtaking on either side. I would be done for speeding.
I have no idea why this is the case, but the RAC clearly states undertaking is permissible on motorways with average speed limits.
@@johnny2hats329 It doesn't say it's illegal if there were no average speed limits. It's legal at a speed of up to 70mph on motorways.
@@saundersdachicken6197 True, undertaking is never an offence in itself but could be considered careless driving in some circumstances. If I was passing someone on the left I'd see it as the other car being in the wrong lane rather than me performing an undertake.
@@johnny2hats329 Overtaking could also be considered careless driving in some circumstances.
Don’t motorway have specific rules on undertaking? You can undertake on multilanes city roads, right? Isn’t that just filtering into your destination?
3:53 the main safety problem is NOT undertaking but the way in which it was done and zero compliance to safe distance. This move would have been very dengerous whatever way it was made, no matter undertaking or overtaking.
For example, in many European countries it IS legal to undertake. But of course in a safe way. It is important to know this as nowadays most drivers will travel abroad in their life.
Q. When can you undertake?
A. When its safe to do so.
I used to be a tour coach driver in the UK and Europe before the pandemic, travelling all over the motorway and arterial road networks. Here’s an example:
I’m driving at 62mph on a four lane section of the M25. As most know, many drivers tend to exclusively drive in Lane 2/3/4. Quite a few times, traffic had started to ‘bunch’ and Lane 2/3/4 start slowing down, but not Lane 1 which is completely clear. As those lanes start to slow down to around 55mph, I observe a lot of lane changing and keep my guard up, just in case anyone in Lane 2 attempts to use Lane 1 as an alternative. I am essentially travelling in Lane 1, ‘undertaking’ vehicles in Lane 2/3/4 all at the same time. Not by much, since I slow down a tad to maximise safety, but still doing it.
Was I in the wrong? What if Lane 2/3/4 start to slow down quickly? Do I keep going in Lane 1 (at a sensible speed to the other lanes), passing vehicles on the left or do I brake hard with them all, despite having a clear road ahead?
I was always told that the same amount of observation for merging into a left lane must be given to merging into a right lane on a multi-lane dual carriageway. Even on two separate occasions, I have spoken to two Traffic Officers about the matter and both of them stated similar answers; that it’s okay to pass on the left as so long as there’s no other safe way to pass slower moving vehicles, but also added that circumstances can play a part on whether or not a conviction is necessary.
And those cops are correct. It's been legal to pass on inside which is also undertaking since 1972.
Is passing in lane 1, when a car is in lane 3, classed as undertaking?
Exact question I was going to ask. I assume so. I've been in that situation of a some one sat in lane 3 doing 60 odd and I've gone past in lane 1.
The answer is yes, but the person in lane 3 would be just as bad for lane hogging.
Not for me if the lane is free between (for safety)
It certainly wouldn't be careless driving, as there is a free lane in-between the cars, thus a safe manoeuvre ( as long as you don't then lean out the window and call the lane hogger a #**+ )
This is pretty much the only time I'll undertake with a ready mind to speed up/slow down if the third lane car starts moving over depending where I am in relation.
I'm confused, suppose a vehicle in front of me and myself move from lane 1 to lane 2 to, e.g., overtake a slowly moving vehicle, but then for some reason the car in front of me remains in lane 2 but goes quite slowly. When I return to lane 1, I cannot then go faster than them?
Great video that was mostly on point, but was disappointed one point you didn't bring up properly. The way I had it explained to me years ago was if you change lanes to pass somebody on the left i.e. weaving through traffic, you (rightly) are risking prosecution, but if you are just maintaining your lane, there is no issue.
I live in an area with a lot of 4 lane motorways. In recent years it's become more and more of an issue that there are people just sit in lane 3 all day long (even, as I've personally witnessed, when the gantry signs are lit with 'Keep Left Unless Overtaking'!). When I come across across them, correctly driving in lane 1, there is no need to make 6 lane changes just to overtake to the right. Obviously you have to be cautious about passing on the left, and personally I only do it if there is an empty lane 'buffer' in case that is when they suddenly decide to change lanes, but there is no issue passing on the left in that scenario.
You are correct in passing on inside. It is not an offence to do so and is not considered careless driving.
Undertaking is not illegal, but we will find away to convict you of something else. Madness.
Sometimes, the road condition on lane 1 (e.g. too many potholes in a long stretch of road) also forces people to stay on lane2 even if lane 1 is empty. A good example is the A1(M) near Doncaster.
I would say this is completely wrong, what is illegal is being in the far outside lane and NOT overtaking. Undertaking is completely fine as long as it is within the speed limit.
10:05 "Undertaking in the UK is not illegal"
6:32 "For the people that say undertaking is not illegal, you can just keep on doing it, think again because you are massively misinformed."
I think it's Ashley is the one giving the misinformation.
I think there are 2 Ashleys, and they disagree with each other.
Roundabouts would be a classic case where people undertake. See it a lot in the car crash videos, someone turning right at a roundabout is unable to maintain speed because of the sharpness of the turn gets undertaken by a driver going straight on at a higher speed. Impact or blaring of horns ensues.
I teach young men and women, through the Army, Air and Sea Cadets and this is one of my lessons to them.
Be careful of what you think might be correct as it might not be true under the eyes of the justice system.
I was almost prosecuted when I first started driving for undertaking.
I was traveling along the M3 in lane one when I reached a car in lane two. As a young naive driver I continued in lane
one and undertook the vehicle, particularly because my exit was approaching in about 5 miles.
The car I undertook was a unmarked police car.
Which subsequently then moved back into lane one and followed me and then blue lights etc and stopped me.
As I had no ID I was taken back to the station for verification purposes.
I was not interviewed while waited for my barrister. (Yes barrister because my mother in law
was a barrister and who told not to say anything until she arrived).
The conclusion was that yes I had undertaken (drove without due care and attention) the vehicle but because
my barrister knew the law she also highlighted to the police that their driver should have returned to lane one when it
was safe to do so which was obviously much earlier than when I approached from this lane.
The final outcome was a massive slap on the wrist (which when I was young was punishment) given by
the police but not recorded in those days.
Lesson learnt - If I now approach a (phrase) lane hogging driver, I slow down to their speed safely and then overtake
on the right hand side when safe to do so.
I was lucky as my mother in law said it could have been a very costly offence not only in potential large court fines but
long term on my car insurance.
I know it's a bit late but you should give this to your mother n law as a Christmas present.
"The specific offence of undertaking (or nearside undertake) was actually removed from the statute books with the introduction of the 1972 Road Traffic Act, and although the Highway Code advises against it, there is no specific law that prevents it." - Director of Traffic Offenses, West Mercia Police
This is a great example. Thanks for sharing. But what would you have done if the lane hogging vehicle was in lane 3 and there was no way of being able to switch lanes to overtake? And isn’t switching lanes to overtake a slower vehicle in the middle not also considered dangerous driving? Thanks 🙏
Undertaking would not be an issue if people were convicted for not returning to the left-most lane when available to them.
Also interesting law over there. Here in NZ it's legal to pass any vehicle travelling in the same direction in any lane on a multi-laned road (motorway or otherwise) regardless of which lane they're in, so long as you're in a different lane and it's done safely (i.e. you don't cut off vehicles that have just completed an overtake and are about to change back lanes, as happened at 3:34):
Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 2.8(3)
'If the roadway is marked in lanes, the driver may [pass a vehicle travelling in the same direction on the left] only if the driver’s vehicle does not encroach on a lane that is unavailable to a driver.'
So what that SUV did at 6:44 would be completely legal here, especially since the vehicle to their right would not have been complying with legislation:
Land Transport (Road User) Rule 2004 2.1(3)
'A driver may drive in the right lane in the direction of travel when driving on a multi-lane road if-
(a)
the driver is turning right, or making a U-turn from the centre of the road, and is giving the prescribed signal of that driver’s intention to turn right; or
(b)
the driver is passing; or
(c)
the left lane is unavailable to the driver; or
(d)
the driver is required by any provision of this rule to drive in the right lane; or
(e)
a variable lane control downward-facing arrow sign indicates that the driver must drive in the right lane; or
(f)
the driver is avoiding an obstruction; or
(g)
the traffic in all other lanes is congested; or
(h)
the traffic in every lane is congested.'
2.3(1)
'A driver, when driving, must not use-
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.
(c)
on a two-way roadway marked in 3 lanes,-
(i)
the lane on the right side of the roadway; or
(ii)
the centre lane unless the driver is turning right into another roadway or a vehicle entrance or is passing another vehicle travelling in the same direction...'
What makes me laugh is the speed limit applies to ALL lanes on a motorway unless otherwise stated. So how could a hogger in lane 2, 3 or 4 change the speed limit from 70mph to their speed????
Its just so frustrating to be stuck behind a lane hogger. Its often the case that they are totally oblivious to what is going on behind them.
I suspect that laziness is part of the motivation for lane hogging.
Erm, if you’re ‘stuck’ behind a lane hogger, then by definition, you are also a lane hogger. You are not overtaking anything so you too are in the wrong lane. That is exactly how we end up with a long line of cars in the middle lane, and nobody using the left lane.
Solution- just stay in the inside lane and if you encounter a hogger, just pass them on the inside. Carefully.
I regularly undertake on my bike on a particular section of dual carriageway where drivers sit in the right lane for half a mile or more before the roundabout. Watching this has made me realise i should have more patience, if i am honest only because the punishment can be more severe than i had previously thought.
How can it be a legal manoeuvre be classed as careless driving. Only In Britain🤣🤣🤣