Arnold Schoenberg is to the music of the 20th century what James Joyce is to the literature of the 20th century. They both opened up many doors, although it might be safe to say that Schoenberg closed more doors than Joyce did. I love both of them, but I've never made it far trying to read Finnegans Wake. Still stuck at page 50 something of 628 or so.
This is now one of my most favorite channels. Right up there with "Ask a Mortician " You are definitely much better and entertaining at presenting this information than the instructor in my 7:30am Music History class!!
It took me a while to get into Schoenberg but as I studeied 20th century composition techniques I have a great apprepiaction for his work. He was the most important composer of the 20th century. Not my favorite (Samuel Barber is) but the most important.
I try to as much as possible, but with a one-week turnaround on top of a full course load, sometimes that gets cut! However, fear not-there's going to be a lot of that when I get around to the video on the Second Viennese School in general, which will be more free to talk about compositional technique since it won't be tied to being a biography of any one member. (It's currently 13th in the queue.)
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That can be a problem nowadays on TH-cam, since bogus copyright strikes are rampant... A lot of the times, even original recordings of other composers music (which creators themselves have played/recorded and use in their videos), gets claimed...
Great video! I was wondering if you could also make videos explaining the history and meaning behind great pieces such as Elgar’s Enigma Variations. I think that might be entertaining to watch. Keep up the good work!
Great video! I always really liked Schoenberg's Music and I would like to play his "Variations on a Recitative" sometime, but it's sadly not written very well for the Instrument. By the way: The German Word "Sprechstimme" does not translate to "Spoken singing" but to "Speaking Voice" instead.
"Are you THE Schoenberg, the composer?" "Someone had to be." 3:09 Keith Emerson did a lot of quartal harmony (and melody)... hearkening back three quarters of a century...
Quartal harmony can be dated back to the late 19th century with composers like Erik Satie in pieces like 'Le Fils Des Etoiles', it dates back to an entire century before Keith.
Very complete video Thomas! Hadn’t watched this one yet. Maybe you’re interested in my analysis video about Schönberg’s Three Piano Pieces Op.11 :) Greetings from Berlin
Hi did you made a video of your Harmony,coubterpoint and theory books.You have such a beautiful collection I will be very happy if you can show us what you use.
I made a bookshelf tour a while back [ th-cam.com/video/9NlSM9JWdkY/w-d-xo.html ]. It's not super in-depth on any of the particular textbooks, but gives a good idea of what I've got.
Actually, Schoenberg started writing in a free atonal style much earlier than Pierrot Lunaire (1912). Take his Drei Klavierstucke (Three Piano Pieces) Op. 11 and Five Pieces for Orchestra Op. 16, for example - both from 1909.
True, and perhaps I should have made that more clear looking back. However, _Pierrot_ is still the preeminent example of the pre-12-tone, freely atonal style, with the novelty of the singing style and ensemble, as well as his more unified approach to formal design. There's a lot more to say about that piece, and analysis of it tells us a lot more about who Schoenberg was.
It's very remarkable and for me pretty incomprehensible how intelligent, even brilliant people, can utterly fail to be rational. Schoenberg's superstitious vein is a perfect example of that. Edit: I DO love his music, regardless!
Could you do one on Charles Ives? (ps. I love your channel it's so educational such a great way to learn about composers bio. Keep up all the good stuff!!)
Ives is one of my favorite composers and I covered him in a very early video (although the production quality is overall a bit poorer than what I produce now): th-cam.com/video/1gf6iW-IC-c/w-d-xo.html
Schoenberg saw chords as having less and less function, and the consequence of his "emancipation" is-in practice-the treating of any sonority as though it _were_ consonant. The explanation I used is generally taken a step further as a rationalization of microtonal music, but it can easily apply to Schoenberg; I've found it to be the best way to understand the rise of atonality in the context of the broadest scope of music history.
He saw history as progressing through increased dissonance and wanted to free dissonance from the need to resolve to consonance. Since the overtone series governs the continuum of consonance to dissonance, it's the best way to understand what is, on a scientific level, "more dissonant."
On the synthetic chords, for example :) There is not much information about it, but i've read something according to his second Etude for piano. Btw - great videos!
I was wondering is there anywhere you list the sources for this video? I'm currently reading up on Schoenberg for a personal project about him, and I was wondering what biographies and books on his music you read while making this video. Thank you very much, I love your content.
I don't have a biography of Schoenberg, but he's a big enough figure that a somewhat decent picture of him is painted indirectly through many of the other books I have on the shelf. Much of my research, however, focused in on masters' theses and doctoral dissertations that I could find through manipulating search engines-i.e. combining Schoenberg's name, one of his pieces, one of his theoretical techniques, and the terms "PDF" and "biography" and "analysis" in many different ways. For a major figure like Schoenberg, this results in a ton of information. As far as keeping a source _list_ for individual videos, I'm sorry to say I can't help you on that front. I pull relevant information into the video scripts and keeping a separate list of source material is just not a part of that process.
@@ClassicalNerd hey sorry about this comment, I was quite immature when I typed this. Though Schoenberg is still not pleasant to my ears, I’ve come to appreciate the theory and effort that goes into his type of music.
There's a cocktail called the Schoenberg-- it's gin, with no tonic (ba-dum tss)
I'm sure many of those have been consumed after Schoenberg performances!
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Arnold Schoenberg is to the music of the 20th century what James Joyce is to the literature of the 20th century. They both opened up many doors, although it might be safe to say that Schoenberg closed more doors than Joyce did. I love both of them, but I've never made it far trying to read Finnegans Wake. Still stuck at page 50 something of 628 or so.
This is now one of my most favorite channels. Right up there with "Ask a Mortician " You are definitely much better and entertaining at presenting this information than the instructor in my 7:30am Music History class!!
You are not the only one with this opinion...:D
Same
Thanks! But with it being at 7:30 AM, I would also blame the time for the lack of entertainment ... I'm not myself at such an hour either.
This was back in the fall of 1976, the text was "Grout", and prof was ancient and tenured. It was boring. lol
p.j. Bailey oh my god classical nerd and ask a mortician are also my favorite TH-cam channels
It took me a while to get into Schoenberg but as I studeied 20th century composition techniques I have a great apprepiaction for his work. He was the most important composer of the 20th century. Not my favorite (Samuel Barber is) but the most important.
Schoenberg is one of my favorite composers. I watch anything I can on him.
Yes, but even you aren't listening to him because cats fighting sounds more interesting than Schoenberg does. ;-)
@@lepidoptera9337 Another way of saying, "I can't understand him and accuse others of not listening to compensate for my own lack of comprehension.".
I lLOVE the richness of the information lasting for 20 min no breaks!
Thanks for taking my request.
My pleasure!
Not that anyone could play it with ease, but his Op.25 work is like jumping into a world of horror and beauty
Very informative. Very well done. Thanks.
Yo dude great stuff keep it up
Your awesome man! Thanks for all your uploads!
These are brilliant, and would be even better if you'd include short music examples, like of the intervalic content.
I try to as much as possible, but with a one-week turnaround on top of a full course load, sometimes that gets cut! However, fear not-there's going to be a lot of that when I get around to the video on the Second Viennese School in general, which will be more free to talk about compositional technique since it won't be tied to being a biography of any one member. (It's currently 13th in the queue.)
That can be a problem nowadays on TH-cam, since bogus copyright strikes are rampant... A lot of the times, even original recordings of other composers music (which creators themselves have played/recorded and use in their videos), gets claimed...
Great video! I was wondering if you could also make videos explaining the history and meaning behind great pieces such as Elgar’s Enigma Variations. I think that might be entertaining to watch. Keep up the good work!
A video on the Enigma Variations has been added to the request pool.
Excellent Presentation, well articulated. thankful
Great video! I always really liked Schoenberg's Music and I would like to play his "Variations on a Recitative" sometime, but it's sadly not written very well for the Instrument. By the way: The German Word "Sprechstimme" does not translate to "Spoken singing" but to "Speaking Voice" instead.
Great video and great channel!
One of my high school music teachers was close friends with Jane Manning the great interpreter of Pierrot Lunaire.
"Are you THE Schoenberg, the composer?" "Someone had to be." 3:09 Keith Emerson did a lot of quartal harmony (and melody)... hearkening back three quarters of a century...
Quartal harmony can be dated back to the late 19th century with composers like Erik Satie in pieces like 'Le Fils Des Etoiles', it dates back to an entire century before Keith.
Very complete video Thomas! Hadn’t watched this one yet.
Maybe you’re interested in my analysis video about Schönberg’s Three Piano Pieces Op.11 :)
Greetings from Berlin
Inventor of the twelve tone system being deathly afraid of the number thirteen 🤣
Hi did you made a video of your Harmony,coubterpoint and theory books.You have such a beautiful collection I will be very happy if you can show us what you use.
I made a bookshelf tour a while back [ th-cam.com/video/9NlSM9JWdkY/w-d-xo.html ]. It's not super in-depth on any of the particular textbooks, but gives a good idea of what I've got.
I couldn't help but notice your copy of his book "Harmonielehre" in the bookcase behind you.
Actually, Schoenberg started writing in a free atonal style much earlier than Pierrot Lunaire (1912). Take his Drei Klavierstucke (Three Piano Pieces) Op. 11 and Five Pieces for Orchestra Op. 16, for example - both from 1909.
True, and perhaps I should have made that more clear looking back. However, _Pierrot_ is still the preeminent example of the pre-12-tone, freely atonal style, with the novelty of the singing style and ensemble, as well as his more unified approach to formal design. There's a lot more to say about that piece, and analysis of it tells us a lot more about who Schoenberg was.
It's very remarkable and for me pretty incomprehensible how intelligent, even brilliant people, can utterly fail to be rational. Schoenberg's superstitious vein is a perfect example of that.
Edit: I DO love his music, regardless!
Could you do a video on Glen Gould? Thanks 💖
Gould has now moved up in the request pool!
Could you do one on Charles Ives?
(ps. I love your channel it's so educational such a great way to learn about composers bio. Keep up all the good stuff!!)
Ives is one of my favorite composers and I covered him in a very early video (although the production quality is overall a bit poorer than what I produce now): th-cam.com/video/1gf6iW-IC-c/w-d-xo.html
What the man gave birth to is timeless.
12:13 Was Schoenberg the first to talk about this idea? I remember seeing it in the writings of Harry Partch.
Schoenberg saw chords as having less and less function, and the consequence of his "emancipation" is-in practice-the treating of any sonority as though it _were_ consonant. The explanation I used is generally taken a step further as a rationalization of microtonal music, but it can easily apply to Schoenberg; I've found it to be the best way to understand the rise of atonality in the context of the broadest scope of music history.
But Schoenberg definitely did talk about history progressing through the overtone series?
He saw history as progressing through increased dissonance and wanted to free dissonance from the need to resolve to consonance. Since the overtone series governs the continuum of consonance to dissonance, it's the best way to understand what is, on a scientific level, "more dissonant."
I like many of his works, but i think I like Berg better. Also like Webern. They are all classics now.
Please do Bizet
Schoenberg's music just blows my mind. I can barely understand it. Jesus this guy was brilliant
Did you just adjust the twists and turns of your speech to cues on modulation happening in the background?
I've never intentionally edited a video like that, but sometimes things just fall into position like that in a happy coincidence!
Schönberg was born on the 13th of September, ironic
Schoen Arnoldberg
Another Roslavez video please! ;)
... on what, exactly? There's not a whole lot more to talk about in terms of his biography.
On the synthetic chords, for example :)
There is not much information about it, but i've read something according to his second Etude for piano.
Btw - great videos!
A video on Roslavets' synthetic system is now in the request pool.
Classical Nerd Nice!
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EMANCIPATION FROM The HOLY TRINITY of music conformity.
I was wondering is there anywhere you list the sources for this video? I'm currently reading up on Schoenberg for a personal project about him, and I was wondering what biographies and books on his music you read while making this video. Thank you very much, I love your content.
I don't have a biography of Schoenberg, but he's a big enough figure that a somewhat decent picture of him is painted indirectly through many of the other books I have on the shelf. Much of my research, however, focused in on masters' theses and doctoral dissertations that I could find through manipulating search engines-i.e. combining Schoenberg's name, one of his pieces, one of his theoretical techniques, and the terms "PDF" and "biography" and "analysis" in many different ways. For a major figure like Schoenberg, this results in a ton of information.
As far as keeping a source _list_ for individual videos, I'm sorry to say I can't help you on that front. I pull relevant information into the video scripts and keeping a separate list of source material is just not a part of that process.
Classical Nerd that’s grand, thank you very much for responding anyway.
i have to learn more english to understand this videos about Atonal music better. :)
What do you get if you combine Arnold Schoenberg with Arnold Schwarzenegger? Nothing. He'll be Bach.
I found atonality ugly.
As is much of life, but we and it have our moments.
Atonality and serialism have proven to be a total musical dead end.
This is unfortunately true, now we are once again stuck in a cycle of musical cliches.
@@cometcourse381 exactly to which we now may add, thanks to Arnold, what is irreverently known as "Bleep-Squawk" music.
Every note is as important as every other...leads to ugly music..
Noise just noise
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You have to give this music a lot of time and patience. But once you do, it is amazing, emotionally and intellectually rewarding music.
To you, yes
@@ClassicalNerd hey sorry about this comment, I was quite immature when I typed this. Though Schoenberg is still not pleasant to my ears, I’ve come to appreciate the theory and effort that goes into his type of music.
@@joshsussman9432 and pretend it sounds good, right