I am in. Waiting for Veer-myn but already backed it. Also 12ish mm models are way easier to paint than 28mm and it take fraction of the time to get a great looking force.
@@familyofgamers777 not really sure if we get there to be honest. We will see KS traffic over weekend. If we get within 200k then I believe they will be unlocked. I hope they will as they are my go-to faction. And yeah! I want to see those heavies. I think we get tunnel runners, tunnellers and even death engines. No idea what could be the "titan".
@@michaciemniewski9791 Seems like there are the same FF/DZ vehicles, and other tank and a super heavy for each faction. Very curios to see what they come up with. As of now, 10 days to go and 203K, hope they make it for the rats!
I'm in to support Mantic and I like the epic scale. Larger battles, units I'm familiar with and the rules look like they'll be familiar, I play Firefight also. There's definitely value there too, you get a full 2000pt army out of the box. I looked at Imperialis, it looked like my type of game, I especially liked that they got rid of the roll-to-hit-wound. But, I didn't care for the price or marine on marine, 30k theme. Of course all of this won't matter if my group doesn't start playing.
No matter what, you need guys to play, or it's a waste of money. If you're looking for an Epic sized game, this is more cost effective then Imperiallis. I do like Firefight, and would love to see the bigger and newer vehicles in 28mm. I'm all in for Mantic also, but I'm still on the fence for this one.
I know, I have been to every Mantic night since we started going to Adepticon. Maybe we can get some inside Information at the booth. If you are going to Adepticon, please stop and say hi to us. Looking forward to the con!
That's an issue with the second edition of Warpath, there will be some people who went heavy into first edition and weren't happy with that game, then seeing this and now none of their minis work for the game anymore. I like small scale games. I have plenty of Bot War terrain that would work, but not quite enough for a 4x4 or 4x6 table. I'm not going to play Warpath, but I would like some of the minis. I'll wait for a Black Friday sale in the future, or at least wait until the models hit Vault or MMF.
Technically wouldnt this be the 3rd Edition of Warpath? V1 was a flop (pre dates my move to Mantic) V2 I bought into heavy as you highlighted and yeah it had some issues but was playable and Epic is now V3? Correct me if wrong.
@@rustedbeetle This is what I have "Warpath: 2nd Edition Rulebook CLASSIC" currently 9 in stock at Mantic website in Last Chance to Buy section. TH-cam wouldnt let me post Hyperlink.
@@rustedbeetle @ultramarine40 , So, Warpath was an Original game by Mantic, before Deadzone came out. An alternative to 40K. Then the KS for Warpath came out, basically KOW in space. I think this Epic scale KS, is what they should have, or wanted to do with the 2nd KS. Time will tell and we shall see.
@@Ultramarine40 So, Warpath was an Original game by Mantic, before Deadzone came out. An alternative to 40K. Then the KS for Warpath came out, basically KOW in space. I think this Epic scale KS, is what they should have, or wanted to do with the 2nd KS. Time will tell and we shall see.
Scale is something I’m not keen on but happy for people that like it. I’d rather just play a firefight game with a ton of models that’s the equivalent of a warpath game. More visually interesting to me.
I'm a bit of a fool and backed it partly to get all of my stls. I want to print my models I need for a list and I'm pretty sure these are the 28mm scaled down. So if you want a grav tank don't be surprised to see the stl available to buy and use in firefight. The game does seem just scaled up firefight though which isn't really different. I like my 28mm scale better. The thing I would have rather seen is a spaceship game. Get some of the spaceships in the mantic universe onto the board.
I would buy the STL's if they were all included. I would pay the fee, but to just have the extras, its a hefty price. I would totally be behind a spaceship game, I do love me some Armada!
That’s a really good idea, I agree with that. But, when I look at all the models I have (only speaking for me), I can run all armies in FF. Troops and vehicles. I will say that the heavy and super heavies are awesome, but I don’t want to make my final decision on that. Are you backing it?
@@familyofgamers777 I am, at the lieutenant level. Although I may add the terrain, depending on how it looks when they show it. I literally have only a few D&D minis that I have painted. So I got room for a few models.
As someone who plays a lot of different games, the scale, order tokens and general mass battle feel is what got me to back it. I like Deadzone but don't want to commit to painting anything 28mm with a larger model count, so haven't considered Firefight. Also a reason I haven't gotten into Kings of War. I would be able to get through these very quickly with contrast/xpress/speed paints. If they go this way with Kings I would probably back that too.
I got the deal with two basic armies. I passed on more because I am now backing three kickstarted and did not want to break the bank. It is not as good a deal as previous KSes but it is much more risky so I think it is a good approach.
My only real feedback is that this won't land till 2025... so "I'm currently working on Firefight" doesn't really mean you won't be looking for a new option in 2025... lol... If this was landing next month, be a different story... From my point of view, I think I'm enjoying the option for the smaller scale games, especially related to the terrain, and just so much easier to move stuff... Deadzone is fantastic, but moving the terrain can be challenging... and Firefight has not caught on with my gaming group, so this might be more appealing as a bit a different option. But I do like the thoughts and first reactions.
Thanks, we just wanted to be honest and give our first reaction. The smaller scale is cool, but it is too similar to FF, which I am trying to get going over here. If the game was totally different, then I was all in. I will just play FF, and add heavy guns when they come out.
Going with Asterians instead of Marauders was a huge mistake. Marauders are my favorite faction and i will not play this game until they come out. Hope the game is successful!
I agree, the Marauders are an OG staple of the Warpath Universe. Not sure why the rats are ahead of them. Well, as of now with 8 days to go, you need 50K to get them. Hope it hits the goal!
@@familyofgamers777 Me too. Unfortunately,looks like there's no real incentive to back it now. Also, I don't want to wait until 2025 to get the game. Might as well wait until it goes on their website,or get it cheaper on ebay.
Some of the minis are really nice and would look great as infantry in battletech. probably won't get into this one as i already have Battle tech which is the same scale as epic but more interesting than this or GW Epic or Imperialis. But the infantry minis are very nice.
Using these in AlphaStrike or Battletech would be awesome. We do love AlphaStrike, we started playing it ever since Adepticon 23. I do love the lore of BT, but Mantic's is pretty good too. I'd like to see they expand the universe more with Novels and more Lore.
Good Summary video guys, this Mantic KickStarter is a no from me which is a real shame as I am a huge fan of Mantic and especailly the Sci-Fi Warpath Universe Deadzone, Firefight and even Warpath Proper (28mm). Reasons 1. Scale - models looks like ants on the tabletop 2. Miniatures are too niche and non transferable to generics eg OPR 3. No dedicated STL Tier - only reinforcements and add on's. 4. Watched all the Mantic "How To's" and the pseudo Bat Rep - was falling asleep at the keybaord it was so boring - might have been the British presenters monotone presentation delivery but overall looked boring as batshit, wasnt thematic what so ever just smashing ants on bases together. I do hope it goes well for Mantic and Deadzone / Firefight 28mm range benefits somehow down the line.
@@familyofgamers777 That's a very good point. It definitely is a pre-order. I know that was not Kickstarter's original aim - to provide a lower risk platform for established companies to launch products - but it is a large part of what KS has become. I suppose I've rationalised it in this case as Mantic prioritising the quality of the game and value for money for early adopters, over FOMO. Which, to me, is a more acceptable business model than bombarding prospective customers with hyperhype. But it does drown out smaller competitors trying to get a foot in the market. Just got to be a conscious consumer and make value judgements based on more than the metric of cost Vs return.
@@peterdickinson4599 Oh, I get it. I respect Mantic's Gansta, they want to get this game out, need funding and pass it onto the customers. I have backed some others, and they were straight up pre orders. I think having the Stretch Goals is a nice incentive to back something. Hey, they got me on the Deadzone and Warpath KS in the past because of it. I think it's give us the funds to get the whole game out right now.
I hope it is successful for Mantic but the gameplay looks like its back to the 90's and not in a good way. Firefight is a great ruleset, modern and streamlined and then on the Warpath gameplay videos I see template scattering and individual base movement instead of the great FF 'move the leader' easy to play modern style. Combine that with vehicles that look out of scale to the infantry and The Walking Dead reissue in the same month, my money is going to go to TWD.
I hope so too. Firefight is pretty good, I have a few things I would like to see improved, but still very good. I wish this was a different game than FF. It's basically FF but at a smaller scale. I'd like to use funds to get more resin for the Vault, more ships for Armada.
I'd like to get in on it but I have so little hobby time with Kings of war, deadzone, firefight and Horus Heresy that it'd probably sit in a box for years so I'm out. Look great though
Man, I am in the same boat. Why I am on the fence is that this is a HUGE amount of Minis to paint. Like starting over. If it was all STL files, then I would be more inclined.
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Already pledged! Looks like a fast and fun rules set; can’t wait
Looks good, but I’m still on the fence.
I am in. Waiting for Veer-myn but already backed it. Also 12ish mm models are way easier to paint than 28mm and it take fraction of the time to get a great looking force.
That is true, but do you think they will get to the Veer-Myn stretch goal? I'd like to see what vehicles and heavies they have.
@@RavenShinyThings I'm really curious to see what they look like at this scale.
@@familyofgamers777 not really sure if we get there to be honest. We will see KS traffic over weekend. If we get within 200k then I believe they will be unlocked. I hope they will as they are my go-to faction.
And yeah! I want to see those heavies. I think we get tunnel runners, tunnellers and even death engines. No idea what could be the "titan".
@@michaciemniewski9791 Seems like there are the same FF/DZ vehicles, and other tank and a super heavy for each faction. Very curios to see what they come up with. As of now, 10 days to go and 203K, hope they make it for the rats!
@@familyofgamers777 and there are the Veer-myn. Very good move on Mantic's part to tweak SGs a bit.
Scale allows for those super heavies that we won't get anytime soon in 28mm. I'm probably waiting for retail but love the cute lil vehicles
I do love the Vehicles, but that's not a reason to back it.
1000 present right on. I want to try it. but cant buy in. right now
I know, I want to get everything, but not right now.
I'm in to support Mantic and I like the epic scale. Larger battles, units I'm familiar with and the rules look like they'll be familiar, I play Firefight also. There's definitely value there too, you get a full 2000pt army out of the box. I looked at Imperialis, it looked like my type of game, I especially liked that they got rid of the roll-to-hit-wound. But, I didn't care for the price or marine on marine, 30k theme. Of course all of this won't matter if my group doesn't start playing.
No matter what, you need guys to play, or it's a waste of money. If you're looking for an Epic sized game, this is more cost effective then Imperiallis. I do like Firefight, and would love to see the bigger and newer vehicles in 28mm. I'm all in for Mantic also, but I'm still on the fence for this one.
It all looks great...but I don't want to have another scale in my collection. By now I have 15, 20 and 28-32mm and that is more than enough for me.
See, that's whats holding me back also. Same models, but smaller, I may as well play FF
not sure if we will see it at Adepticon sadly due to no mantic night this year
I know, I have been to every Mantic night since we started going to Adepticon. Maybe we can get some inside Information at the booth. If you are going to Adepticon, please stop and say hi to us. Looking forward to the con!
That's an issue with the second edition of Warpath, there will be some people who went heavy into first edition and weren't happy with that game, then seeing this and now none of their minis work for the game anymore.
I like small scale games. I have plenty of Bot War terrain that would work, but not quite enough for a 4x4 or 4x6 table. I'm not going to play Warpath, but I would like some of the minis. I'll wait for a Black Friday sale in the future, or at least wait until the models hit Vault or MMF.
Technically wouldnt this be the 3rd Edition of Warpath? V1 was a flop (pre dates my move to Mantic) V2 I bought into heavy as you highlighted and yeah it had some issues but was playable and Epic is now V3? Correct me if wrong.
@@Ultramarine40 I thought Mantic was in third edition Deadzone, second Firefight and second Warpath. I'm sure Coach and Andrew can tell us.
@@rustedbeetle This is what I have "Warpath: 2nd Edition Rulebook CLASSIC" currently 9 in stock at Mantic website in Last Chance to Buy section. TH-cam wouldnt let me post Hyperlink.
@@rustedbeetle @ultramarine40 , So, Warpath was an Original game by Mantic, before Deadzone came out. An alternative to 40K. Then the KS for Warpath came out, basically KOW in space. I think this Epic scale KS, is what they should have, or wanted to do with the 2nd KS. Time will tell and we shall see.
@@Ultramarine40 So, Warpath was an Original game by Mantic, before Deadzone came out. An alternative to 40K. Then the KS for Warpath came out, basically KOW in space. I think this Epic scale KS, is what they should have, or wanted to do with the 2nd KS. Time will tell and we shall see.
Scale is something I’m not keen on but happy for people that like it. I’d rather just play a firefight game with a ton of models that’s the equivalent of a warpath game. More visually interesting to me.
I agree!
Warpath Proper! 28mm 🤟
I agree totally
Waiting for the rats :D
So am I, really curious to see what they look like, and the new vehicles.
I've backed it, love some Mantic stuff
Plague and Enforcers
may have to get Veermyn and Forgefathers too
I'm still on the fence, but I'd like to see how you paint them up. Let us know what you think of the game.
I'm a bit of a fool and backed it partly to get all of my stls. I want to print my models I need for a list and I'm pretty sure these are the 28mm scaled down. So if you want a grav tank don't be surprised to see the stl available to buy and use in firefight.
The game does seem just scaled up firefight though which isn't really different. I like my 28mm scale better.
The thing I would have rather seen is a spaceship game. Get some of the spaceships in the mantic universe onto the board.
I would buy the STL's if they were all included. I would pay the fee, but to just have the extras, its a hefty price. I would totally be behind a spaceship game, I do love me some Armada!
For someone who was interested in firefight but never pulled the trigger on a starter set. This is a good thing to jump in on.
That’s a really good idea, I agree with that. But, when I look at all the models I have (only speaking for me), I can run all armies in FF. Troops and vehicles. I will say that the heavy and super heavies are awesome, but I don’t want to make my final decision on that. Are you backing it?
@@familyofgamers777 I am, at the lieutenant level. Although I may add the terrain, depending on how it looks when they show it. I literally have only a few D&D minis that I have painted. So I got room for a few models.
@@Brannen666 Very cool. Let me know how it turns out,. Love to see how you paint them.
As someone who plays a lot of different games, the scale, order tokens and general mass battle feel is what got me to back it. I like Deadzone but don't want to commit to painting anything 28mm with a larger model count, so haven't considered Firefight. Also a reason I haven't gotten into Kings of War. I would be able to get through these very quickly with contrast/xpress/speed paints. If they go this way with Kings I would probably back that too.
Good points, I'm having issues with the scale. Although, I do Like the token mechanic for this one.
I got the deal with two basic armies. I passed on more because I am now backing three kickstarted and did not want to break the bank. It is not as good a deal as previous KSes but it is much more risky so I think it is a good approach.
I agree, this KS is more expensive than the previous KS. The past Deadzone and Warpath were incredible. What 2 armies did you choose?
@@familyofgamers777 Enforcer and Plague to match my Warpath forces.
Sounds good!
My only real feedback is that this won't land till 2025... so "I'm currently working on Firefight" doesn't really mean you won't be looking for a new option in 2025... lol...
If this was landing next month, be a different story...
From my point of view, I think I'm enjoying the option for the smaller scale games, especially related to the terrain, and just so much easier to move stuff... Deadzone is fantastic, but moving the terrain can be challenging... and Firefight has not caught on with my gaming group, so this might be more appealing as a bit a different option. But I do like the thoughts and first reactions.
Thanks, we just wanted to be honest and give our first reaction.
The smaller scale is cool, but it is too similar to FF, which I am trying to get going over here. If the game was totally different, then I was all in. I will just play FF, and add heavy guns when they come out.
Going with Asterians instead of Marauders was a huge mistake. Marauders are my favorite faction and i will not play this game until they come out. Hope the game is successful!
I agree, the Marauders are an OG staple of the Warpath Universe. Not sure why the rats are ahead of them. Well, as of now with 8 days to go, you need 50K to get them. Hope it hits the goal!
@@familyofgamers777 Me too. Unfortunately,looks like there's no real incentive to back it now. Also, I don't want to wait until 2025 to get the game. Might as well wait until it goes on their website,or get it cheaper on ebay.
I agree 100%
Some of the minis are really nice and would look great as infantry in battletech. probably won't get into this one as i already have Battle tech which is the same scale as epic but more interesting than this or GW Epic or Imperialis. But the infantry minis are very nice.
Using these in AlphaStrike or Battletech would be awesome. We do love AlphaStrike, we started playing it ever since Adepticon 23. I do love the lore of BT, but Mantic's is pretty good too. I'd like to see they expand the universe more with Novels and more Lore.
Good Summary video guys, this Mantic KickStarter is a no from me which is a real shame as I am a huge fan of Mantic and especailly the Sci-Fi Warpath Universe Deadzone, Firefight and even Warpath Proper (28mm). Reasons 1. Scale - models looks like ants on the tabletop 2. Miniatures are too niche and non transferable to generics eg OPR 3. No dedicated STL Tier - only reinforcements and add on's. 4. Watched all the Mantic "How To's" and the pseudo Bat Rep - was falling asleep at the keybaord it was so boring - might have been the British presenters monotone presentation delivery but overall looked boring as batshit, wasnt thematic what so ever just smashing ants on bases together. I do hope it goes well for Mantic and Deadzone / Firefight 28mm range benefits somehow down the line.
It took me three attempts to watch as well. Kept falling asleep.
It took me 5 attempts to get through it, but I did it. I think they should have come out with the How to Play, then the Batrep.
@@fabianvalle1431
It took me 5 attempts to get through it, but I did it. I think they should have come out with the How to Play, then the Batrep.
Nice video. The only reason I'm not interested is the scale. I'm happy with my 15, 28, and 32mm minis. I do love Mantic Games! KoW! Take Care guys!
The scale is what's stopping me too. Also, I have every Deadzone model, and can run a FF army for every faction. Thanks MWM
No Rebs so thats a ding from me ;P I'm curious to try it too though it's at a scale I don't typically play at.
No, rebs suck! I am curious, but just to get the same game smaller? I'm not to excited.
I’m in, but disappointed by the lack of stretch goals
I like having lots of « free » stuff
Yea, no stretch goals? Who's Idea was that?
I quite like the fact this isn't a stretch-goal oriented campaign. You're buying a game, not FOMO.
@@peterdickinson4599 But then it's not a KS, just a pre-order.
@@familyofgamers777 That's a very good point. It definitely is a pre-order. I know that was not Kickstarter's original aim - to provide a lower risk platform for established companies to launch products - but it is a large part of what KS has become. I suppose I've rationalised it in this case as Mantic prioritising the quality of the game and value for money for early adopters, over FOMO. Which, to me, is a more acceptable business model than bombarding prospective customers with hyperhype. But it does drown out smaller competitors trying to get a foot in the market. Just got to be a conscious consumer and make value judgements based on more than the metric of cost Vs return.
@@peterdickinson4599 Oh, I get it. I respect Mantic's Gansta, they want to get this game out, need funding and pass it onto the customers. I have backed some others, and they were straight up pre orders. I think having the Stretch Goals is a nice incentive to back something. Hey, they got me on the Deadzone and Warpath KS in the past because of it.
I think it's give us the funds to get the whole game out right now.
All this Reb hate 😂 Woo! Go Rebs!
I don't play Rebs, but when I do, I use all Sphere.
I hope it is successful for Mantic but the gameplay looks like its back to the 90's and not in a good way. Firefight is a great ruleset, modern and streamlined and then on the Warpath gameplay videos I see template scattering and individual base movement instead of the great FF 'move the leader' easy to play modern style. Combine that with vehicles that look out of scale to the infantry and The Walking Dead reissue in the same month, my money is going to go to TWD.
I hope so too. Firefight is pretty good, I have a few things I would like to see improved, but still very good. I wish this was a different game than FF. It's basically FF but at a smaller scale. I'd like to use funds to get more resin for the Vault, more ships for Armada.
I'd like to get in on it but I have so little hobby time with Kings of war, deadzone, firefight and Horus Heresy that it'd probably sit in a box for years so I'm out. Look great though
Man, I am in the same boat. Why I am on the fence is that this is a HUGE amount of Minis to paint. Like starting over. If it was all STL files, then I would be more inclined.