Stability pulled a Unity over night. They meant what they said. Now they reap the reception. There is open source AI and its sad few want to support them. These companies want to take the AI public database and then say "you cant have it for free, but we can, and well charge you for it."
Yup, they're acting as their training data was free stock photos. Nah son, if I like you I'ma pay for your stolen goods, but you're making it real difficult RN.
Lol, except Unity isnt bleeding hundreds of millions like SAI. SAI has never been profitable and probably never will be. The entitlement and mental gymnastics that the community has been doing to compare the two companies is sad tbh. Not saying their solution is the answer but they have provided several releases free and the community flips out and thinks that all comes from good will.
@@seightrhor9934 nah they pulled a file hosting services bs on us, the first 2 years were free to attract eyes to their half ass free models to make other people fix them, now they're demanding money on top of their new broken sd3 model. It's called open source.
@@deadlyrobot5179 Imagine there was no other Checkpoints, only the originals. Then I imagine that they could have sold SD3 for a decent amount of money. Problem is that people made checkpoints for SD 1.5 and SD2 that are so good, there is little reason to replace them with SD3.
This really feels like an end of an era. Personally I'm optimistic, perhaps the open source community has been too reliant on SAI (to the point of them poaching devs that perhaps should have their hands untied, like Comfy). At least this drama has signal boosted alternative open source models, will be exiting to see where things develop.
If it was a listed stock in 2021 a year after its 1 billion valuation, it would have gone to zero by 2023. 10 million in revenue vs 100+ million in costs. Emad was an idea man with no business sense as a CEO.
When your base idea is to have an open source free model that people can train to be better, it is a very bad idea to put a lot of restrictions on training and distribution of models. They know that CivitAI is their biggest platform, but they alienate themselves from them to the degree that they can't publish the models people make.
So many news in the AI image generation world. 1) ForgeUI is going to go in experimental mode due to A1111 hitting 2.0 soon and implementing Forge's faster and lighter generation image tech. Time to switch back to A1111. 2) SD3 has been banned from CivitAI (at least, temporarily) due to their unclear License. I hope StabilityAI gives clarifications soon and hopefully a better license model for SD3. 3) SD3 flop. Here it's maybe a bit too early to tell, #2 needs to get fixed, and 4b/8b eventually released. i'll reserve judgment because I want to give StabilityAI the chance to make things right.
Forge's VRAM optimizations are not going to be brought into Auto1111, though. IMO that is far more important than any speed enhancement. Forge lowered the bar for people, allowing those with less hardware to do things they simply cannot do in any other interface.
@@Outrider42 Was just going to say the same. From what I've read, those VRAM optimisations also affect speed. So the new A1111 should be faster but it won't be as quick as Forge is right now, as I understand it. I'm still hoping that someone can take over Forge itself and carry on the devs work.
It's definitely NOT "forge's faster and lighter generation image tech"! They made their own improvements. Long story short, Forge basically "nuked" the core of A1111 and replaced it entirely. A1111 has had to go through a lot of investigation to keep its core and get the same sort of speed up. The changes are completely different. You won't get the "same" performance at all. For some, it will be better than Forge, and for others, it will be worse. In my opinion, this is an overall good compromise, as they are probably going to continue monitoring the performance of inference through issues on Git Hub after the release.
@@abaj006 I've never seen a license that forbids creation of derivative works except as permitted by the license, then flatly permits creation of derivative works. Who wrote this?
Pixart is amazing out of box. trying Hunyuan now (install difficulties, but its meant to be far better out of box than SD3). Folks, SD is gone. its time to move on. She's just not into you as a user, so...screw it. install and give it a whirl. make sure to get sigma, not alpha. CivitAI already has some new models up, so if it catches on, expect it to explode....it should catch on.
Open-source applications aren't "free" for us users. We're investing our time, resources, skills and ideas into beta testing and refining the projects they eventually sell, closed-sourced to large corporations. Corporations who then scale and market them to the masses who don't even know most of this sh*t exists yet. Us "pioneer users" are a necessary part of the ecosystem. It takes time to make money. It also takes business savvy individuals working with developers and the community to make a successful enterprise. In this case one or several of the necessary elements was missing. I appreciate being allowed to benefit from their project and wish them all nothing but the best. They have succeeded in changing the world, and that's no small feat...
Isn't it possible to train a great model like 3D3 or Sora through distributed computing, like BOINC projects? I'm sure that many of us would sign up to use our GPU's to contribute to something like that...
Glad to see the community finally realizing the license problem. Maybe next we can stop referring to these products as "free" just because they let you tinker? I'm building a product for 8 months now using SDXL. I have no reason to switch.
All These AI thing are the tools of future yet we are living in OLD obsolete monetary system. which built to serve the money not the tech no the people
Can someone please tell me, do these people not understand what Open-Source means? Why do they turn to charging users? If they want money just ask for donations.
I mean, donations usually can't actually support a whole development team, especially for something as costly as developing AI. Most people aren't willing to donate.
@@peterlewis2178 They shouldn't be calling themselves open-source when they intend to actually charge people. Many open-source software groups use donations or other sources for funding needs. I guess people are forgetting concept of what open-source is supposed to be like.
@@Kioki1-x8p They called themselves open source because they were open source, but now the company has like no money and is crashing, so they have to change things in order to still exist. Also, open source has nothing to do with monetization. It just means that the source (the code, assets, whatever) are openly accessible to the public. You can still sell something and have it be open source
@@peterlewis2178 The definition of Open-Source: "software that is available under a license that grants the right to use, modify, and distribute the software, modified or not, to everyone free of charg." - Free of Charge.
@peterlewis2178 most people would definitely donate. I've seen so many youtubers with steady income from donations. So if a company like SAI wanted donations im sure they would get alot. And they should have crowd funded their sd3 model, $500k would have been easily achieved within the community. And yes 500k is peanuts compared to what they would be getting with their license plan but currently everyone has backed out lol so now they are left with a big fat Zero
I have some sympathy for Stability as they thrash around trying to figure out how to stay in business, but the major fail release is not encouraging that the company has a future. They misjudged how people would react to they license and they also seemingly released a crippled poop model just so they could hold back something that they can sell. But now everyone thinks SD3 is poop, which is going to make it hard to sell the "good" versions.
I will give the Stablility AI some excuse because a "New company", for the company that stand at the bleeding edge, it's always a mess for the management side of things, including PR and TOS. But yeah, Ill just wait for them to speak out for their own future of their model and TOS.
@@adrianmunevar654 Hmm? Not heard of them, I'll have to go have a look. If they're just standard checkpoints (like Pony) there shouldn't be any issue in A1111.
I installed and ran a1111 for the first time in about a year yesterday, after about 4 sdxl image Gens my 3090 ran out of vram, seriously why does it still not release vram after gens! Thank god for comfyui
I'm impressed, in one release they managed to loose Comfui, broke most plugin in A1111 for a model we cannot use and ended Forge. Bravo. That's Unity stupidity level.
It is a shame how the release of SD3 has gone. I created some excellent models for SD1.5 and SDXL with my Acorn Is Spinning models so I was looking forward to SD3. Hopefully they will get the licensing stuff worked out soon, otherwise, it could be pretty bad for Stability AI as SD3 was banned on CitivAI for now and they are one of the primary sources where models are download from. I use my models for videos on my youtube channel. I would love to see how much better they could get with SD3 eventually.
in my opinion... SD3 has a few things it can do much better than SDXL. but also... SDXL can do things better than SD3... and now that SD3 nerfed celebrities SDXL can do much more, and now that SD3 nerfed nudity SDXL can do much more too... big question... why are there no custom checkpoints yet? licencing sucks that hard? must be SAI's fault. MUST be.
Could be impossible, but it would be really cool if some super genius could adapt SDXL to have the new advancements of SD3. When SDXL came out I was hoping for a way to adapt sd1.5 loras to SDXL, and that eventually did happen. There’s some brilliant people in the world.
but you see as soon as they think they have a good product they milk the people who invested time and love before and thats not a good company. anyways the failure of the ones are the seed to grow for others.
I am not versus Licensing, but if there is a license, I should "own" my creations such as pictures, LoRas, Models and not be claimed by Stability... Adobe just did something similar, Facebook/IG take all pictures to train their AI, etc... Unity, Dungeons and Dragons... My whole gripe was that you called CivitAI asking their lawyers what the licensing means "a hostile move"... When they just need to know what the license actually means. It is not a critique on your channel, on your infos, just that they - and YOU use SD commercially as well, by talking about the models, when their are ads here or fees on Patreon etc - need to know how the license affects them. I hope you understand the difference here.
Re: "we're in a bad place right now". I think we're in a bad place because the community is relying too much on SAI. I feel like it's great that SAI got the ball rolling on open source diffusion models, but the community became too reliant on SAI to KEEP the ball rolling. At this point I feel like SAI has crossed that threshold where they are doing more harm than good to the open source community and democratization of AI. With SAI gone, maybe the crutch will finally be removed, and force the community to organize and make better base models. SD4 doesn't need to be created by SAI. What I'd really love to see is new fully open source base models created through a community effort. Training the initial base models likely costs millions of dollars, which is why it's easier for the community to just pause and wait for SAI to do the work. If we organized a community effort similar to Folding@home/Seti@home/etc, then we could have base models created BY the community FOR the community, and wouldn't be held back by SAI's own motives and agendas. Organizing something like that is NOT an easy task, and is made even harder with SAI sticking around in a half-dead zombie state. Keeping people's hopes up for the next latest and greatest disappointment isn't doing the community any favors.
Bummer. I concur about the 16 channels. Here's hoping they can all move past this and get something good going. Otherwise we're in for some dark days. At least we have XL in the meantime.
AI has far outpaced the establishment of legal frameworks to regulate data collection and usage. Since attribution of AI-generated content to specific sources is nearly impossible, treating such content as public domain is the most logical approach. This ensures that no entity profits directly from potentially copyrighted material. However, if a model is trained exclusively on data from consenting, compensated individuals (and is strictly documented as such), different rules could apply. Edit: In my opinion, we must recognize that the models themselves would not exist if not for the data harvested from the internet. Therefore, public domain is the democratic solution.
oh look comfyannon finally doing what i mentioned months ago when dealing with custom node devs just doing whatever they wanted with no rhyme or reason. Told him it was going to be a trojan nightmare and then someone does it. Told him there needs to be a structure, framework, security and a modern look so many times in the git issues. Already made a custom node framework that checks py packages against all other nodes and decides the best package for less errors. then made a model optimizer class that retrieves the nodes folder path for models and fixes it to use a standarized model library that can be accessed by other types of uis. Working on a templating framework instead of the "js gone wild" thats allowed now. Colorama'd the cmd for easing debugging. Standard stuff that isnt standard in comfy.
Get ready, cause stability is already saying that any models you use of theirs, of their stability in general, IF you don't pay then you cannot use what you created when you did pay. If you close account, you must and so must your clients get rid of anything they created using their models/stability. Others will follow in doing this in future.
The problem is we've truly entered the information age, where all the cost is in development and after that production is free. Industrial age economic models, like selling per-piece, don't work well. And feudal economic models where you pay tribute to the king forever aren't going to fly either.
Any small TH-camr/coder/creator who has tried to live solely from donations has either starved or quit open source/costless content delivery. Those who succeeded are so uncommon that their names probably fit in a single sheet of paper.
It's extremely different. The costs of developing AI are way higher. It doesn't really cost you anything to do TH-cam apart from some initial equipment costs and occasional upgrades. It's also much easier to monetize from donations/Patreon, because people form somewhat parasocial relationships with TH-camrs that make them feel much more connected to a TH-camr, and much more likely to donate. The reality is that for something like AI development, the number of people who would even consider donating is astronomically low, and it certainly wouldn't be enough money to account for the costs of training the AI much less providing the developers with a living wage. Not to mention that it's an entire dev team that needs to be supported, not just a single person.
I actually really like SD3's prompt adherence. I can speak to it with natural language. I am very hopeful for a way to use SD3. I would actually love to get Emad's dickhead responses over this radio silence.
I hope StabilityAI can surgically remove its foot from its mouth. SD3 does so much better with multisubject renders on lower end hardware, was really looking forward to fine toons.
These guys from Comfy cannot port the manager into a box, they are brilliant but.... Without a mentor and leader, it will be difficult for them to organize anything.
I'm not a developer or a programmer. I don't understand what they mean by "..will be developed by a bigger team and resources". What kind of resources did they mean?
I think people are forgetting that SAI is a business and not a charity. At one point or another they need to make money to get to eat and in the last 2 years it has been clear that people are not willing to pay for SAI.
I think people are perfectly fine paying for AI tools or services but I doubt SAI had a clear business-plan how to actually get revenue. I also very much agree that we need open models to be competitive, but they need to be open. (Midjourney 🤮) I don't want to have to pay for a model that was trained on stolen content. Without SAI the generative AI scene would look very different and I hope they can turn the tide.
No. It’s actually the other way around. People are willing to pay for SD if it’s under a clear and reasonable license but SAI is focusing too much on enterprise who’s never going to choose them over Midjourney or Dalle. Just look at Civit, it’s commercially thriving and it has almost a complete overlap of users.
Stability spent millions on pointless things instead of focusing on making sure their core product would be profitable. They would not be in this mess if they had any clue how to conduct their business. I believe when it is all over we will find more and more reports on the things they did with their money instead of making a better product. People actually will pay for something if it works well and the price is fair. Stability could have done any number of things differently along the way, but somehow managed to choose the worst options every single time. Within this video, you heard Comfy state that they want to run it like Red Hat, which is a free and open source product to consumers. It is financed by enterprise use. That is one way to do it. Another would be to charge for SD base models, and give people freedom from there (and of course charge more for the commercial users). Stability could have ran an asset store similar to Blender and Unreal. Speaking of Blender, that's another example of a free and open source product that is doing quite well. They could create a paid developer program which gives subscribers tools and assistance to create their custom models. You need A100 to help get your model trained? This sub can give you access to one. Like a normal sub, if you stop paying you lose access to the dev program but you keep the stuff you made so far (unlike their current license.) Those are just examples of what they could have done, and all would be better than what they chose to go with.
Things I am willing to pay for: - use of generated images commercially, especially if there is a minimum revenue required for the royalty, under a clearly defined and reasonable license - access to a public server for image generation and fine-tuning - access to a private server for image generation and fine-tuning, with better hardware and no queue, at varying price points depending on desired hardware and features Things I am not willing to pay for: - the ability to use the model to generate images at all, even for my own use - the ability to run the model on my own computer - the ability to fine-tune the model - access to the model weights I liked Stability because their model weights were available, and I could do whatever I damn well pleased. If they were to adhere to this and offer additional services such as the services I mentioned above, I would probably be interested in paying a monthly or annual subscription to those services, provided they adhered to a reasonably affordable pricing model and don't implement any draconian policies or overreaching license agreements. If they aren't going to adhere to having openly available model weights, then I see no reason not to just use one of their competitors. Especially now.
@@garrettbates2639 Honestly, I'd probably be willing to pay for an AI model if it was a one time payment guaranteeing free (as in not restricted) access to the model, any future versions, and the images generated from them. I don't even need it to be open source, I just want the freedom to generate the images and not be tethered to censorship or a subscription.
As long as they are reasonable with their prices and they don't force subscription, I won't have issues supporting devs. I've always paid for free services and games that I use and enjoy. The saying for gamers is "free to play does not mean free to develop."
right, there are plenty of ways we could have supported them, but they went full wacko on the license. its not about the prices, its about the user restrictions like derevitive and commercial permission.
If Stability AI had put half of the effort which has gone into censorship into the quality of the model, it would be the best of all. Just try to create some image with e.g. captain jack sparrow in it. It will give you some guy with the clothes of jack sparrow and of course all the "old" problems with hands, face, eyes etc.
I might have lifted a weight or two. I'm not sure it's enough yet to be noticeable, but since you noticed it maybe it is 😅 Gotta get that dad strength.
@@sebastiankamph Watch the video, there is knocking sound, not sure if you're kicking something or knocking on the desk. It's obviously unintentional, but very distracting in Dolby Atmos on headphones. 0:30, 1:41,1:48, 2:42, 2:44, 3:14 and it goes on. My hearing is not even good. maybe it's the software Idk, but I've heard this sound on other channels as well.
@@Cashprt I checked out all of those links and I dont hear a single knock, its probably your bass boost settings. I have both studio speakers and some Focal Clear MG's and there's not a single knock. It may be boosting his "P" sounds?
for those who wanna know the situation with Forge 1)Yes Forge is being essentially abandoned and its going to be an Experimental Testing Ground for Features to be used in A111 and the New name of Forge will be Forge Space and Forge Users are Recomended to switch to A1111 Dev Branch or master Branch Before 2.0 or users can keep using Current version of Forge in Dev2 Branch and Switch over to A1111 when 2.0 releases or users can stay with the current version of Forge using Dev2 Branch to help with the Developement of Features 2)Some Forge Features will not be in A111 2.0 at its launch like Speed optimization and memory management wont be in A1111 2.0 at least for the time being that will come at a later date
Stability pulled a Unity over night. They meant what they said. Now they reap the reception. There is open source AI and its sad few want to support them. These companies want to take the AI public database and then say "you cant have it for free, but we can, and well charge you for it."
Yup, they're acting as their training data was free stock photos.
Nah son, if I like you I'ma pay for your stolen goods, but you're making it real difficult RN.
Lol, except Unity isnt bleeding hundreds of millions like SAI. SAI has never been profitable and probably never will be. The entitlement and mental gymnastics that the community has been doing to compare the two companies is sad tbh. Not saying their solution is the answer but they have provided several releases free and the community flips out and thinks that all comes from good will.
@@seightrhor9934 nah they pulled a file hosting services bs on us, the first 2 years were free to attract eyes to their half ass free models to make other people fix them, now they're demanding money on top of their new broken sd3 model.
It's called open source.
@@deadlyrobot5179 Imagine there was no other Checkpoints, only the originals. Then I imagine that they could have sold SD3 for a decent amount of money. Problem is that people made checkpoints for SD 1.5 and SD2 that are so good, there is little reason to replace them with SD3.
@@jace4817 higher resolution is a good reason for newer sd models but paying for it should be optional.
This really feels like an end of an era. Personally I'm optimistic, perhaps the open source community has been too reliant on SAI (to the point of them poaching devs that perhaps should have their hands untied, like Comfy).
At least this drama has signal boosted alternative open source models, will be exiting to see where things develop.
Don’t trust your feelings.
If stability was a listed stock, it would have crashed by 95% in the last 2 weeks.
If it was a listed stock in 2021 a year after its 1 billion valuation, it would have gone to zero by 2023. 10 million in revenue vs 100+ million in costs. Emad was an idea man with no business sense as a CEO.
When your base idea is to have an open source free model that people can train to be better, it is a very bad idea to put a lot of restrictions on training and distribution of models. They know that CivitAI is their biggest platform, but they alienate themselves from them to the degree that they can't publish the models people make.
So many news in the AI image generation world.
1) ForgeUI is going to go in experimental mode due to A1111 hitting 2.0 soon and implementing Forge's faster and lighter generation image tech. Time to switch back to A1111.
2) SD3 has been banned from CivitAI (at least, temporarily) due to their unclear License. I hope StabilityAI gives clarifications soon and hopefully a better license model for SD3.
3) SD3 flop. Here it's maybe a bit too early to tell, #2 needs to get fixed, and 4b/8b eventually released. i'll reserve judgment because I want to give StabilityAI the chance to make things right.
Good comment yo
Forge news is sad, I really hope A1111 2.0 is going to live up to the hype because as of now it's still garbage for SDXL
Forge's VRAM optimizations are not going to be brought into Auto1111, though. IMO that is far more important than any speed enhancement. Forge lowered the bar for people, allowing those with less hardware to do things they simply cannot do in any other interface.
@@Outrider42 Was just going to say the same. From what I've read, those VRAM optimisations also affect speed. So the new A1111 should be faster but it won't be as quick as Forge is right now, as I understand it.
I'm still hoping that someone can take over Forge itself and carry on the devs work.
It's definitely NOT "forge's faster and lighter generation image tech"! They made their own improvements.
Long story short, Forge basically "nuked" the core of A1111 and replaced it entirely.
A1111 has had to go through a lot of investigation to keep its core and get the same sort of speed up.
The changes are completely different.
You won't get the "same" performance at all.
For some, it will be better than Forge, and for others, it will be worse.
In my opinion, this is an overall good compromise, as they are probably going to continue monitoring the performance of inference through issues on Git Hub after the release.
The motivation we needed to full open-source
It seems like every competent devs/researchers are leaving SAI 😂
Best take I've heard. ❤ I'm not sure SAI knows what their license means, which might be why they can't comment.
I have never seen a licence which requires the end users to delete their work when they stop paying.
@@abaj006 I've never seen a license that forbids creation of derivative works except as permitted by the license, then flatly permits creation of derivative works. Who wrote this?
Thanks for this, work is crazy lately and it feels like news around SD3 is moving faster than I can keep up. Appreciate your work.
Pixart is amazing out of box. trying Hunyuan now (install difficulties, but its meant to be far better out of box than SD3). Folks, SD is gone. its time to move on. She's just not into you as a user, so...screw it. install and give it a whirl. make sure to get sigma, not alpha. CivitAI already has some new models up, so if it catches on, expect it to explode....it should catch on.
Open-source applications aren't "free" for us users. We're investing our time, resources, skills and ideas into beta testing and refining the projects they eventually sell, closed-sourced to large corporations. Corporations who then scale and market them to the masses who don't even know most of this sh*t exists yet. Us "pioneer users" are a necessary part of the ecosystem. It takes time to make money. It also takes business savvy individuals working with developers and the community to make a successful enterprise. In this case one or several of the necessary elements was missing. I appreciate being allowed to benefit from their project and wish them all nothing but the best. They have succeeded in changing the world, and that's no small feat...
Much appreciate the thoughtful, balanced and realist message.
Isn't it possible to train a great model like 3D3 or Sora through distributed computing, like BOINC projects? I'm sure that many of us would sign up to use our GPU's to contribute to something like that...
yup why do they not do something like a torrent for gpu computing ?
This channel is worth it just for the dad jokes at the end :)
why the manager has not yet been merged with Comfy?😲
I'm surprised by this too
Glad to see the community finally realizing the license problem. Maybe next we can stop referring to these products as "free" just because they let you tinker?
I'm building a product for 8 months now using SDXL. I have no reason to switch.
All These AI thing are the tools of future yet we are living in OLD obsolete monetary system. which built to serve the money not the tech no the people
i am sure comfy ui will cooperating with NVIDIA!)
Can someone please tell me, do these people not understand what Open-Source means? Why do they turn to charging users? If they want money just ask for donations.
I mean, donations usually can't actually support a whole development team, especially for something as costly as developing AI. Most people aren't willing to donate.
@@peterlewis2178 They shouldn't be calling themselves open-source when they intend to actually charge people. Many open-source software groups use donations or other sources for funding needs. I guess people are forgetting concept of what open-source is supposed to be like.
@@Kioki1-x8p They called themselves open source because they were open source, but now the company has like no money and is crashing, so they have to change things in order to still exist.
Also, open source has nothing to do with monetization. It just means that the source (the code, assets, whatever) are openly accessible to the public. You can still sell something and have it be open source
@@peterlewis2178 The definition of Open-Source: "software that is available under a license that grants the right to use, modify, and distribute the software, modified or not, to everyone free of charg." - Free of Charge.
@peterlewis2178 most people would definitely donate. I've seen so many youtubers with steady income from donations.
So if a company like SAI wanted donations im sure they would get alot. And they should have crowd funded their sd3 model, $500k would have been easily achieved within the community.
And yes 500k is peanuts compared to what they would be getting with their license plan but currently everyone has backed out lol so now they are left with a big fat Zero
So... the Avengers are assembling? :O
I have some sympathy for Stability as they thrash around trying to figure out how to stay in business, but the major fail release is not encouraging that the company has a future. They misjudged how people would react to they license and they also seemingly released a crippled poop model just so they could hold back something that they can sell. But now everyone thinks SD3 is poop, which is going to make it hard to sell the "good" versions.
Nvidia should buy it and make it work.
I will give the Stablility AI some excuse because a "New company", for the company that stand at the bleeding edge, it's always a mess for the management side of things, including PR and TOS.
But yeah, Ill just wait for them to speak out for their own future of their model and TOS.
Is A1111 still good?
@@daedalus-7 It should be better but it won't be as good as they aren't implementing the VRAM optimisations that Forge has.
Is it's possible to use the Sigma models and The other ones (don't remember the names, Hyuan maybe?) in a1111 or is it just for comfy UI?
@@adrianmunevar654 Hmm? Not heard of them, I'll have to go have a look. If they're just standard checkpoints (like Pony) there shouldn't be any issue in A1111.
@@adrianmunevar654 I've struggled with comfy UI. Maybe it's just an operator error but yeah thank goodness for A1111
I installed and ran a1111 for the first time in about a year yesterday, after about 4 sdxl image Gens my 3090 ran out of vram, seriously why does it still not release vram after gens! Thank god for comfyui
I'm impressed, in one release they managed to loose Comfui, broke most plugin in A1111 for a model we cannot use and ended Forge. Bravo. That's Unity stupidity level.
It is a shame how the release of SD3 has gone. I created some excellent models for SD1.5 and SDXL with my Acorn Is Spinning models so I was looking forward to SD3. Hopefully they will get the licensing stuff worked out soon, otherwise, it could be pretty bad for Stability AI as SD3 was banned on CitivAI for now and they are one of the primary sources where models are download from. I use my models for videos on my youtube channel. I would love to see how much better they could get with SD3 eventually.
in my opinion... SD3 has a few things it can do much better than SDXL. but also... SDXL can do things better than SD3... and now that SD3 nerfed celebrities SDXL can do much more, and now that SD3 nerfed nudity SDXL can do much more too... big question... why are there no custom checkpoints yet? licencing sucks that hard? must be SAI's fault. MUST be.
Could be impossible, but it would be really cool if some super genius could adapt SDXL to have the new advancements of SD3.
When SDXL came out I was hoping for a way to adapt sd1.5 loras to SDXL, and that eventually did happen. There’s some brilliant people in the world.
but you see as soon as they think they have a good product they milk the people who invested time and love before and thats not a good company. anyways the failure of the ones are the seed to grow for others.
I am not versus Licensing, but if there is a license, I should "own" my creations such as pictures, LoRas, Models and not be claimed by Stability... Adobe just did something similar, Facebook/IG take all pictures to train their AI, etc... Unity, Dungeons and Dragons...
My whole gripe was that you called CivitAI asking their lawyers what the licensing means "a hostile move"... When they just need to know what the license actually means. It is not a critique on your channel, on your infos, just that they - and YOU use SD commercially as well, by talking about the models, when their are ads here or fees on Patreon etc - need to know how the license affects them. I hope you understand the difference here.
Re: "we're in a bad place right now". I think we're in a bad place because the community is relying too much on SAI. I feel like it's great that SAI got the ball rolling on open source diffusion models, but the community became too reliant on SAI to KEEP the ball rolling. At this point I feel like SAI has crossed that threshold where they are doing more harm than good to the open source community and democratization of AI. With SAI gone, maybe the crutch will finally be removed, and force the community to organize and make better base models. SD4 doesn't need to be created by SAI.
What I'd really love to see is new fully open source base models created through a community effort. Training the initial base models likely costs millions of dollars, which is why it's easier for the community to just pause and wait for SAI to do the work. If we organized a community effort similar to Folding@home/Seti@home/etc, then we could have base models created BY the community FOR the community, and wouldn't be held back by SAI's own motives and agendas. Organizing something like that is NOT an easy task, and is made even harder with SAI sticking around in a half-dead zombie state. Keeping people's hopes up for the next latest and greatest disappointment isn't doing the community any favors.
Bummer. I concur about the 16 channels. Here's hoping they can all move past this and get something good going. Otherwise we're in for some dark days. At least we have XL in the meantime.
AI has far outpaced the establishment of legal frameworks to regulate data collection and usage. Since attribution of AI-generated content to specific sources is nearly impossible, treating such content as public domain is the most logical approach. This ensures that no entity profits directly from potentially copyrighted material.
However, if a model is trained exclusively on data from consenting, compensated individuals (and is strictly documented as such), different rules could apply.
Edit: In my opinion, we must recognize that the models themselves would not exist if not for the data harvested from the internet. Therefore, public domain is the democratic solution.
Most companies seems to be unprofessional, because the CEOs are immature, never learned what humility is and what real good hard work is.
oh look comfyannon finally doing what i mentioned months ago when dealing with custom node devs just doing whatever they wanted with no rhyme or reason. Told him it was going to be a trojan nightmare and then someone does it. Told him there needs to be a structure, framework, security and a modern look so many times in the git issues. Already made a custom node framework that checks py packages against all other nodes and decides the best package for less errors. then made a model optimizer class that retrieves the nodes folder path for models and fixes it to use a standarized model library that can be accessed by other types of uis. Working on a templating framework instead of the "js gone wild" thats allowed now. Colorama'd the cmd for easing debugging. Standard stuff that isnt standard in comfy.
Get ready, cause stability is already saying that any models you use of theirs, of their stability in general, IF you don't pay then you cannot use what you created when you did pay. If you close account, you must and so must your clients get rid of anything they created using their models/stability. Others will follow in doing this in future.
Mcmonkey was like singlehandedly keeping the pr ship afloat. Doesn't look good! Lol
Amused by 'Yumping ship'
(I'm well aware of the I/J shift, since my own name derived from Latin)
What's actually going on? I mean, it was Unity, and then Adobe, and now Stablity. Coincidence or what?
The problem is we've truly entered the information age, where all the cost is in development and after that production is free. Industrial age economic models, like selling per-piece, don't work well. And feudal economic models where you pay tribute to the king forever aren't going to fly either.
We better hope there wont be a new "pay tribute" button next to "generation" button.
So far everyone is trying to shove feudal model and im not sure it wont fly... Life as a service is serious threat.
Something very big is coming for the ComfyUI ecosystem soon 🚀
SwarmUI is also gone from stability-ai's github
I made my first video to increase SD alternatives awareness on my channel
if a small youtuber can give content for free and earn his money with patreon, i'm sure an AI developer company can do the same ...
Any small TH-camr/coder/creator who has tried to live solely from donations has either starved or quit open source/costless content delivery.
Those who succeeded are so uncommon that their names probably fit in a single sheet of paper.
It's extremely different. The costs of developing AI are way higher. It doesn't really cost you anything to do TH-cam apart from some initial equipment costs and occasional upgrades. It's also much easier to monetize from donations/Patreon, because people form somewhat parasocial relationships with TH-camrs that make them feel much more connected to a TH-camr, and much more likely to donate.
The reality is that for something like AI development, the number of people who would even consider donating is astronomically low, and it certainly wouldn't be enough money to account for the costs of training the AI much less providing the developers with a living wage. Not to mention that it's an entire dev team that needs to be supported, not just a single person.
Can you do one for pixart-sigma? Thanks
They need to start a foundation. Like blender foundation.
4b should release as medium.. 2b as small, 8b large.
Did you actually say "yumping ship"?
They can follow unreal tyoe of licensing
Can't blame him, I like dressing as banana man also Great video! Thanks for sharing!
You should Make Kamph-e hats.
I actually really like SD3's prompt adherence. I can speak to it with natural language. I am very hopeful for a way to use SD3.
I would actually love to get Emad's dickhead responses over this radio silence.
@@daedalus-7 Yes I know, thats what I'm saying
Same
I hope StabilityAI can surgically remove its foot from its mouth. SD3 does so much better with multisubject renders on lower end hardware, was really looking forward to fine toons.
These guys from Comfy cannot port the manager into a box, they are brilliant but.... Without a mentor and leader, it will be difficult for them to organize anything.
I guess, if I'm happy with the current build, I should shut off all updates and make a new one for going forward just in case they screw it up.
Lol yumping
The suits always kill talent. I trust the word of a developer than a director of a company when they say they will deliver.
So what is OpenAI going to be called from now on?
Closed natural stupidity...
I love the jokes
They Be Gone.
This is what happens when you start "licensing" and i think it's a good thing because this will bring up new opportunities.
Breath of fresh air, as usual. Thanks for sharing
Sounds more like outside sources causing this then individuals just deciding these things on their own.
Admit it, you're really Bananaman?
Don't tell anyone 🍌
tbh, I wasnt going to Like or Comment but the joke got me so you got both; great job! 🤣🤣
OpenAI monopoly working as intended.
Perfect time to pivot to being a drama reaction channel.
Go AI
I'm not a developer or a programmer. I don't understand what they mean by "..will be developed by a bigger team and resources". What kind of resources did they mean?
Probably human resource.
I think people are forgetting that SAI is a business and not a charity. At one point or another they need to make money to get to eat and in the last 2 years it has been clear that people are not willing to pay for SAI.
I think people are perfectly fine paying for AI tools or services but I doubt SAI had a clear business-plan how to actually get revenue. I also very much agree that we need open models to be competitive, but they need to be open. (Midjourney 🤮) I don't want to have to pay for a model that was trained on stolen content. Without SAI the generative AI scene would look very different and I hope they can turn the tide.
No. It’s actually the other way around. People are willing to pay for SD if it’s under a clear and reasonable license but SAI is focusing too much on enterprise who’s never going to choose them over Midjourney or Dalle. Just look at Civit, it’s commercially thriving and it has almost a complete overlap of users.
Stability spent millions on pointless things instead of focusing on making sure their core product would be profitable. They would not be in this mess if they had any clue how to conduct their business. I believe when it is all over we will find more and more reports on the things they did with their money instead of making a better product.
People actually will pay for something if it works well and the price is fair. Stability could have done any number of things differently along the way, but somehow managed to choose the worst options every single time.
Within this video, you heard Comfy state that they want to run it like Red Hat, which is a free and open source product to consumers. It is financed by enterprise use. That is one way to do it.
Another would be to charge for SD base models, and give people freedom from there (and of course charge more for the commercial users). Stability could have ran an asset store similar to Blender and Unreal.
Speaking of Blender, that's another example of a free and open source product that is doing quite well.
They could create a paid developer program which gives subscribers tools and assistance to create their custom models. You need A100 to help get your model trained? This sub can give you access to one. Like a normal sub, if you stop paying you lose access to the dev program but you keep the stuff you made so far (unlike their current license.)
Those are just examples of what they could have done, and all would be better than what they chose to go with.
Things I am willing to pay for:
- use of generated images commercially, especially if there is a minimum revenue required for the royalty, under a clearly defined and reasonable license
- access to a public server for image generation and fine-tuning
- access to a private server for image generation and fine-tuning, with better hardware and no queue, at varying price points depending on desired hardware and features
Things I am not willing to pay for:
- the ability to use the model to generate images at all, even for my own use
- the ability to run the model on my own computer
- the ability to fine-tune the model
- access to the model weights
I liked Stability because their model weights were available, and I could do whatever I damn well pleased. If they were to adhere to this and offer additional services such as the services I mentioned above, I would probably be interested in paying a monthly or annual subscription to those services, provided they adhered to a reasonably affordable pricing model and don't implement any draconian policies or overreaching license agreements. If they aren't going to adhere to having openly available model weights, then I see no reason not to just use one of their competitors. Especially now.
@@garrettbates2639 Honestly, I'd probably be willing to pay for an AI model if it was a one time payment guaranteeing free (as in not restricted) access to the model, any future versions, and the images generated from them. I don't even need it to be open source, I just want the freedom to generate the images and not be tethered to censorship or a subscription.
As long as they are reasonable with their prices and they don't force subscription, I won't have issues supporting devs. I've always paid for free services and games that I use and enjoy. The saying for gamers is "free to play does not mean free to develop."
right, there are plenty of ways we could have supported them, but they went full wacko on the license. its not about the prices, its about the user restrictions like derevitive and commercial permission.
There are signs of enshittification.
Stability Ai = great company
2B supposed to work on CPU?
F!
If Stability AI had put half of the effort which has gone into censorship into the quality of the model, it would be the best of all. Just try to create some image with e.g. captain jack sparrow in it. It will give you some guy with the clothes of jack sparrow and of course all the "old" problems with hands, face, eyes etc.
What in the hecks is going on?
bro have you started lifting weights? I see your shoulders are wider or did you just improve the posture?
I might have lifted a weight or two. I'm not sure it's enough yet to be noticeable, but since you noticed it maybe it is 😅 Gotta get that dad strength.
Despite the bad news, I can't deal with this mustache hahahaha......
Sounds very positive!
Agree.
You are so funny . Thank you for the spirit you gave. I thought this was the end.
Glad I got all my open source models before they start deleting and locking things out.
Comfy left? Meh.. He's to blame for making the entry level harder for people with his god awful comfy ui anyway. No loss.
Stop knocking on the desk please.
Knocking on the desk?
@@sebastiankamph Watch the video, there is knocking sound, not sure if you're kicking something or knocking on the desk. It's obviously unintentional, but very distracting in Dolby Atmos on headphones. 0:30, 1:41,1:48, 2:42, 2:44, 3:14 and it goes on. My hearing is not even good. maybe it's the software Idk, but I've heard this sound on other channels as well.
@@sebastiankamph Are they referring to the "unknown sound" around 12:21?
Yep, a little annoying :X
@@Cashprt I checked out all of those links and I dont hear a single knock, its probably your bass boost settings. I have both studio speakers and some Focal Clear MG's and there's not a single knock. It may be boosting his "P" sounds?
for those who wanna know the situation with Forge
1)Yes Forge is being essentially abandoned and its going to be an Experimental Testing Ground for Features to be used in A111 and the New name of Forge will be Forge Space and Forge Users are Recomended to switch to A1111 Dev Branch or master Branch Before 2.0 or users can keep using Current version of Forge in Dev2 Branch and Switch over to A1111 when 2.0 releases or users can stay with the current version of Forge using Dev2 Branch to help with the Developement of Features
2)Some Forge Features will not be in A111 2.0 at its launch like Speed optimization and memory management wont be in A1111 2.0 at least for the time being that will come at a later date