US Navy vs Chinese Navy (PLAN) - Strategy & Numbers (2014-2017)
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- A look at the US Navy and People's Liberation Army Navy strategies, organization and numbers. Most data is from 2014 to 2017. Of course some historical context is given too.
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The Zumwalts are no longer and have not been for about 5 years intended to replace the Arleigh Burke Class. Only three ships are planned, the Zumwalt, Michael Monsor, and Lyndon B. Johnson. The production of the Arleigh Burkes was restarted a few years ago with the reduction of the Zumwalt order to three ships. The USN expects to have a request for proposals for a Frigate out to industry by the start of the next fiscal year. The LCS (littoral combat ship) is a US Navy vessel and not a US Coast Guard Vessel, the USCG itself is going through a modernization as well. I can get sources for all of this and more however it will take me time to go through all of the recorded House Armed Services Committee hearings to get you the links in addition to the time stamps.
thx for the corrections. Although, it seems that the LCS should be used by the USCG.
They are intended to serve as shallow water escorts. The USS Detroit recently tested a hellfire missile Vertical Launch System designed to deal with small fast attack/suicide craft and the USS Coronado is currently deployed to a base in Singapore with Harpoons on board. I'm personally not a fan of the original concept of the LCS and have issues with the Independance type LCS (the trimarans) as they are aluminum hulled but all of the LCS's have incredible flight deck facilities which make them very versatile ships. In my opinion they are effectively long range ocean going Corvettes though the USN cannot call them that for political reasons.
That does not mean that the US-Navy does not WANT to replace the Arleigh-Burke-Class. As i understood it was one of the mentioned problems (the budget cuts (and of course exploding costs if i understood that correctly)) actually stopped this strategic plans in its tracks.
I noticed that the type of ships other countries would call "corvettes", the US calls "patrol boats". What's the reason for avoiding the C word?
How well would LCSs deal with missile-armed infantry/trucks/TELs hiding near a coast?
michaelemouse1 Probably trademarked by Chevrolet.
So the People's Liberation Army has a Navy...I wonder if that was their PLAN all along.
:D
free_at_last This is a sort of running inside joke of the PLA, because for the entirety of its history (until very recently) the Army had always dominated over other branches. The Chinese military is very land-based and Army-centred. The new Chinese leadership under Xi Jinping knows this imbalance and is now fixing it through massive organizational reforms.
*Groans
Here, have an upvote.
+The 51st Division I'm glad you got my joke. Your channel has a great collection of videos, I've subscribed to you.
The USN has an it's own Army. The Marines.
So what do we call the Chinese Marine corps air wing? The People's Liberation Army Navy's Army's Air Force?
Chinese Marine blong to the navy
Yes and the US Marines belong to the US Navy. Officially. But it's kind of a joke, people here sometimes call the Marines the Navy's Army, and so the aircraft that fly for the Marines are the Navy's Army's Air Force.
I think the US marine is separate. Chinese marine has no fixed air wings and will not have any fixed air wing
The US Marine Corps is a completely separate branch from the US Navy. The Marine Corps is organised under the government department, the *United States Department of Navy* (not to be confused with the Navy itself), alongside the Navy and (conditionally) the US Coast Guard.
PLANAAF
pronounce it yourselves.
Very good video, with only some minor errors that were pointed out in your pinned comment. Speaking as a US Navy Officer, this is probably something I'd show new Junior Officers to give them some easily digestible background on China. Keep up the good work!
thank you!
ImperialGeneral Although this video shows pretty much nicely statistics of both countrys i dont think it shows remotely what would happen if a real war occured.Capabilities and events( strategys,goals,technology,global market and politics etc.) that would realy happen we cant remotely know.Best example,Korean war where noone truly prevailed.Also adding nuclear strikes that can wipe out whole naval groups or land areas makes another compleatly different story altogether.
Its not trying to predict the way a war would go: its displaying the statistics. And yeah, in modern war between two full powers oh so much depends on politics and we fortunately don't know that much about it. (fortunate because that means someone would have lived through it recently)
Derrick White Yeah,i just wanted to point it out,all those numbers with different factors make realy interesting scenarios.For example add just nuclear weapons factor with those numbers and you make a compleatly different points of view.Or politics,economy etc. it realy gets so much complicated than simple statistics.Nice video anyway.
Plazmica 032 Binkov's Battlegrounds will analyze a hypothetical war, he have done USA vs China under the scenario where US' objective is to capture Chinese shipping lanes. It is possible for China and USA to go into a limited conventional war, it's unlikely China would use its nuclear weapons unless it faced an existential threat.
Alas the size of these fleets, we British used to have. Now with have a fishing trawler with a deck mounted percussion shotgun.
Yeah but at least you'll have the freshest locally sourced sustainable fish and chips that'll bring the locals in year round and help you survive the dreaded winter.
Shit, I've been watching too much Kitchen Nightmares.
Don’t worry, at least you guys had Easy Company and the dam busters RAF 617and bunch of others things to be glad about. Large fleets are expensive and then even more expensive to maintain
As an Englishman this comment both destroyed me yet made me die of laughter 😂.
That’s karma for not re-electing Churchill as WW2 was ending. Winston said, “I’ll leave, but I’m taking my Navy with me.”
Trawlers? I can hear the 2nd Pacific Fleet screaming already.
I have several comments to make:
- You seem to be ignoring the US Marines and their ships including the America class carriers. The US Marines have 1x America class and 8x Wasp class carriers. The US has more carriers than just the Nimitzes and the Ford.
- The Zumwalt will not replace the Burke class since only 3 ships are going to be constructed. The other planned ships were cancelled. Also the size of the Zumwalt is much larger than the size of a Burke class and more comparable to the size of the Ticonderoga class.
- Since you mentioned the US ships it would be worthwhile to mention the comparable Chinese ships. Namely the Type 056, 054A, 052D, 055, etc.
- The PLAN, besides the ships, have their own land based Air Force arm. The PLANAF has like (710+ aircraft) to defend the Chinese coastline including their own land bases.
- The Chinese already have ressuply vessels and most of the ships needed to have one full carrier wing. Though this wing would have less tonnage than the US equivalent with the same amount of ships.
- The Chinese are attempting to bypass the choke points of the Taiwan Strait and Malacca Strait with massive infrastructure investments in pipelines and land routes through Myanmar and Pakistan as part as the OBOR initiative.
1) the america and Wasp class are included in the amphibious ships.
2) about the Zumwalt I already pinned the corrective comment.
Wow, very impressive knowledge and well articulated. Is this just a hobby of yours or?
USS America is more of an aircraft carrier the rest of the world's aircraft carriers (Charles de Gaulle, Admiral Kuznetsov, etc.)
The Chinese AF may have 710 aircraft but the US Navy has about 1,660 (USAF craft are not counted in that number), meaning they are still grossly outnumbered when it comes to aircraft (and US aircraft are of better quality, with the F14, F-15, and F-16 sporting a combined K/D ratio of 314 kills to 5 losses).
The J-20 is NOT an F-22 counter. it was made to counter AWACS and other refueling planes, its not a very good stealth plane outside the shape, its more stealthy. The engines and the massive size of the J-20 make it practically useless as a stealth plane. J-31 is pretty meh as well
I love the XP +100 and +50 game reference. Great video as always. I am proud to be a Patreon supporter.
thank you!
I absolutely love your videos. My dad and I both watch these and when I get to see him every so often we enjoy talking about them. Please keep up the awesome work!
+nobody thank you guys!
'Thank you for watching, and South China Sea you next time.'
I love these very cheeky puns that are hidden in your videos.
love these contemporary military strategy vids!
One of your best. The missions of the navies are vastly different. The USA looks at the entire world to project its power, China, as you showed, is much more limited. Nice job.
so far
In a nutshell, China's doctrine is defensive, USA's doctrine is offensive. For China, it's about securing shipping lanes to protect its narrow trade route and access to strategic resources. For USA, it's about securing supply at its source and maintaining political leverage through strategic position. And bonus, for Russia it's about insulating Moscow and access to warm water.
China has no intention of playing world police like the US. China wants to keep the shipping lanes open and maybe be able to fight a regional war if necessary.
+pquumm
Capitalism needs a strong military to "protect" it's interests.
The rebel communist party is very much interested in being Asia police and and I don't much like their domestic policies. I want them gone.
This was one of your best videos yet, my friend :)
The USS Consitution is the pride of our eastern fleet. It is invincible, it strikes fear in our enemies.
daniel rojas When fossil fuel eventually runs out we'll be the best equped navy in the world.
When fossil fuels run out I hope to see viking longboats with solar panels instead of sails.
Everything will be nuclear powered at that point in terms of ships
I don't know, there's still HMS Victory.
gotta love old Ironsides
I love that you included the Constitution in the Atlantic fleet. Never underestimate her if you know what's good for you.
Now this is an impressive, impressive video. Thank you very much.
As per usual your work is of 'top notch'- quality.
"1 Carrier = No operational Carrier"
That's French Navy Naval Air Capacities in a nutshell
It may be cool to have the only nuclear CATOBAR operated outside the US , and the Charles de Gaulle has proved its combat capacities many times , but maintenance is a pain in the back. A second carrier has been projected many times , but nothing has been decided so far.
true, but the Chinese Navy is aiming for at least 3 CATOBAR carriers. their 3rd carrier is a conventional powered EMAL CATOBAR carrier.
No, it was confirmed yesterday June 22nd that the 3rd Chinese carrier will be a conventional "Steam catapult" carrier
I am from the future. China now has 2 ski-jump carriers with one CATOBAR ready to be launched in probably just a few weeks or so.
Chinese words in English accent with German preciseness.
Excellent job. lol.
Especially for the "Zhanjiang". You're really pushing the limit of human pronunciation. Salute the endeavor! Hahaha
吴振南 How do you say Tianamen Squar Incident 1989 in Mandarin?
easy, its pronou--- *BLAM*
Acutally it is Tiananmen :P and it is already in Mandarin: 天安門 "Heavenly Peace Gate"
I... don't even know how that pronunciation was conjured up...
Smitty Werbenjaegermanjensen Usually it's referred to as the 6/4 Incident. Major happenings are remembered by month and day, not by year.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/6/4
Love this Channel . . . Thank you so much for your time and effort !
Been a fan of your videos for quite some time and had to drop a comment on this one. I always enjoy your attention to detail. Keep up the great work!!
As a part of comparing the navies, you should look at naval aircraft. For instance, the US Navy by itself is the 3rd largest air force on the planet, with only the US Air Force and Chinese Air Force being larger. Then when you add the Marine aircraft (all deployable on navy ships), the amount of aircraft that the US Navy can bring to bear is second only to the USAF.
lol US Forces competing with themselves, because everyone else can't :D
true, but you can deploy all that force
US NAVY DESTROYER WAS JUST CRASHED IN JAPAN SEA, 7 SAILORS WENT MISSING
Fan Yechao yeah actually the US Navy can, Airforce can with Aerial refueling, Marines piggyback on the navy.
We can deploy most of it in about a week.
Based of what I know at the moment, the main strategy of the PLAN is to make a potential US attack way too costly to be considered, and secondly, prevent a naval blockade. Therefore, their main job is to maintain a force that would simply discourage any hostility.
which will not work if they are forced to fight on multiple fronts etc. and they want to try and weaponize the political side here in the states against us which will not work if it is clear and present that china started this shit then even the leftists will have no choice but to side with the country they hate less they will be taken aside as trators and more.
@@TheManofthecross you seem to have taken a sip of the Neocon/Neolib Kool Aid. China isnt the country invading countries, toppling governments, funding terrorists, etc.
Firstname Lastname whatever keeps the u.s. on the top
@@LaVictoireEstLaVie “muh America boogeyman” China genocides Muslims for existing, sorry guy
Huh a “Fleet in Being” doctrine versus a global naval power in a naval arms race
Wait I think I’ve seen this before!
Unfortunately for China I don’t think the PLAN can handle such a defense currently without being able to break the island chains, a naval blockade could still be conducted from at worst the second island chain in conjunction with Japan, of course this requires Japan but I don’t think that’s an issue
Great video, thanks for doing all the research!
Nice one again. I have seen the video before, but funny thing,after i have watch some news on tv i have decided to rewatch the video. :) Because GIVES YOU A GOOD IMAGE and QUITE EXACT! Not fealling sorry at all for, donating as patreon. Good job. Thanks.
Awesome video
this is awesome. thank you!
a very interesting video. I look forward to seeing more modern/speculative stuff from you
Great video!
Fun fact: More time has passed since the First Gulf War, than did between World Wars 1 and 2.
great video as always ! love you #nohomo :)
Good job as always
your most relevant video to date. more of this please
In the end, it is not going to be what the fleets are now, but where they will be around 2025-2030 that is going to be critical. Well done video showing the current states of numbers and assigned berths.
Wonderful video. Most videos like this get carried away with nationalistic bias. Ship numbers and ships types are all that is necessary. This video kept as neutral as bias allows and kept to the facts without trying to make it dramatic. In addition, this video went beyond and briefly listed how the 2 nations viewed their geographical environment in a naval confrontation. I'm happy. Short and sweet and interesting.
Excellent video
It's now time to do a 2017-2021 comparison!!
Thank you for another great video!
Brilliant work! Keep it up!
i love how old ironsides still puts fear in the hearts of her enemies!!!
A fascinating short study of a very complicated set of issues. Obviously this isn't a complete rundown of everything going on in this knotty topic of investigation, but this video gives a great number of "talking points," or places to start while doing my own research. Which is perfect, since I was writing speculative fiction on this subject, and needed a point of reference.
another great video.
Lovely content! Keep it up!
9:56 I'm not sure that's entirely accurate. The Zumwalts were supposed to replace the Burkes but the class was cancelled after only three of 32 ships were started. meanwhile a third flight of Burkes,up to 42 ships, have had contracts awarded
jb76489 that's cause ddg-1000 is shit. it has far too few missile cells to be a area defence ship or launch land attack missiles. it's too costly to risk. it was suppose to a stealthy ship with ultra long ranged rail guns using cheap solid slugs. it might be stealthy but it don't have those rail guns. so in short it has all the short coming but zero advantages that it was suppose to have.
mxn1948 The gun system is a particular problem. The Navy decided to stop manufacturing the rounds for the 155s because, well, 800k dollars per round is kinda pricey...
As always, we'll researched and we'll presented, both visually and in the narration. I always snap up your videos.
Good video!
Guess you could say the Chinese have a PLA(N) when it comes to naval strategy.
Delta40 god dammit lol
While not the goal of this video, it is important to note that the United States Navy is not the only maritime force the USA has. It also has the United States Coast Guard which has 238 cutters, 1523 boats, and 187 aircraft. Not all of these vessels are militarized (combat vessels) but they are apart of the American Armed Forces.
Caleb Cavitt and anything corvette sized and up could have light antiship missle tubes welded on in an emergancy
MHV ignored the huge ass us marines navy in the video as well.
The U.S. Army has a navy too.
great stuff again
This channel is, by far, the most awesometacular "boring" channel on TH-cam.
Am I the only one who want Comrade Binkov to narrate one of these?
DeadDre477 no
DeadDre477 a crossover episode would be sick
Hahahaha yes
Binkov has a pretty heavy bias towards Russia. He recently did a comparison of a US and Russia ship, and he picked a Russian ship with 2.5x the displacement of the US ship rather than getting two of similar weight. He basically put Mike Tyson against a 12 year old in terms of weight difference, and the sad part is the Russian ship was only marginally better despite the 2.5x weight advantage.
He also grossly underestimates the US air advantage as well as the massive disadvantage Eastern powers have against US armor. If Russia, China, and North Korea joined all of their aircraft into one force they would just barely outnumber the US Navy's air wing, but would still be about 1,000 craft shy of matching the USAF's numbers. Worse still is the US craft are simply better. A handful of Eastern craft are able to to match the top-tier US craft, but most are very sub-par. The same applies to ground vehicles, with most Eastern armor being Soviet era hold overs (which were completely useless against the US forces in Desert Storm) and only a handful of modern vehicles that could stand up to US vehicles.
With that in mind, his projections of China v US and NK v US fall apart. The US would quickly establish naval and air dominance, and with that the ground war would only go one way.
I don't think does also the two ships he compared were a U.S. destroyer vs. a Russian Heavy Missile Cruiser of course the Cruiser is going to win when it carries three times for weapons than the destroyer. In both of his U.S. and Russia comparisons the U.S. won both of them. To me he seems pretty fair.
good video and also good puns. 10/10
even if the video wasn't perfect it was well done and informative...thanks for posting
Interessantes Video. Wie immer!
13:01 The US Constitution is the most dangerous weapon ;).
Mukaydis I always thought it was US fast food and strip clubs haha
We love living dangerously lol
To communists, it is ;)
Ol Ironsides
the pun game is stepped up in this one
Very interesting and informative video. I'd like to see more videos on modern military strategy, capabilities of modern geopolitical and major regional actors.
Great video. Please make an updated one to compare how these two Navy’s have changed since this video.
Nice content! Keep it up!
I was wondering if you were going to mention Old Ironsides and not 20 seconds later you did.
Very interesting information.
Well done, Sehr gut!
Greetings from Beijing, China sir! (Though I am currently living in Toronto.) This is an excellent video with very detailed references. I am actually thinking of making a Chinese subtitle for this video and move it to a Chinese video site (of course only with ur permission)... Anyway, good job sir.
please add chinese subtitles on youtube and don't upload it anywhere else.
13:00: Nearly thought you would miss out the most important ship... :-)
Biggest factor you missed IMO was the prospective countries, naval and marine air wing size/ tech. PLAN has a large number of land based fighters in addition to what it can carry on it's one carrier, and the both the CVN and America/wasp airwings need to be accounted for as well.
other than that, Fantastic job! I had no idea the PLAN has so many subs!
The strategic elements are the parts that interest me most.
chiana going for naval expansion national focus.
Pretty obvious why too. Nobody could invade China itself. It's way too large, has far too large of an army. The best way to fight China is by sea and air, especially by economic blockade. That's also why China is trying to grab/make islands.
Luke Jackson beware - Mongols are the exception :p
human wave tactics?
Spoofy Tofuwu, And, as we speak about the navy, this time they mean it literally.
Hakan Karaağaç +
The notification sound hadn't even finished.
There is a notification sound? Why don't I have one?
Well done.
Excellent
would you PLEASE explain modern ships? Because it's really hard to understand them on what is their functions, corvettes and frigates for example
WW2 ship probably first, was actually planned a while ago, but I have so many ideas each week and new books and new events... so pure content CHAOS
Military History Visualized I know, I just asked for what I don't know. I'm fairly familiar with WW2 navy
can you recommend a book on how WW2 ships work?
Military History Visualized nope, I'm afraid not :( my native language is russian so I grew up with books in that language
and I can't really help your research out right now because of exams and all that, so, sorry once again
I'd recommend Jane's Fighting Ships of World War II. Jane's is pretty well respected on the subject, and I've found the books to be enjoyable and informative.
O no we have to cross a ocean, we haven't done that before ...
these are so interesting. i wouldn't mind longer ones as its a shame to miss out facts or points to keep the video short.
Very interesting and informational video as always! Can something like this be found for the situation in 2020?
1carrier = 0 carrier is correct. In 1982 UK could only mount a recapture of the Falkland Islands as it could deploy 2-small carriers and possessed a backup. The carriers were considered vital assets for the operation, the loss of either would have rendered the operation untenable.
Argentina couldn't risk its single carrier asset during the Falklands conflict, France has also been reluctant to provide its single "fixed wing" vessel for operations.
and doubt they are going to risk it out right unless they built some more of there own anyway which I doubt they will.
USN and Chinese Navy?
*loads Carrier*
awww yeeeahhhhh
don't get carried away like I did ;)
don't worry I only almost floated away
Looks like their CV is pretty much a WW II type CVE in function. VERY interesting video. Thanks
+ Ray Giordano
Its not WWII, its just a different doctrine of what a carrier should be. The soviets built her as a fleet defense and mobile missile platform. Its strike wing was really guided anti ship and cruse missiles, while her aircraft were mostly negate US carrier arms in the pacific and black seas. It was to operate mostly close to shorelines and would likely get assistance from land based aircraft, and thus the smaller range was not a major issues. Its not a straight comparison to US super carriers because it wasnt built to rival them.
So what? What type of equipment you use shows what kind of military doctrine you are following. If you want to play world police, you need loads of carriers. If you're focused on making sure the shipping lanes are open and potentially having to fight a few neighbours, who needs carriers?
Great video as always! It got me thinking...Could you maybe do a video on nuclear and anti-nuclear tactics? It would be very interesting to see, as it makes me curious wether a major conflict could or would escalate to that level.
Pure numbers vids are fun and eye candy but the greatest factors that are never spoken of is shear experience, proficient TTP’s and force multipliers.
What do call the air force of their navy?
People's Liberation Army Navy Air Force
Napoleon I Bonaparte That's actually what they call it.
StardustNotHötzendorf Lol, worse than Cadorna?
its legit called the People's Liberation Army Naval Airforce
4:44 11.5 million or 1.5 milliion?
11.5 million
Military History Visualized you forgot to mention the combined force of the Texas Navy
Funny, I was just on the USS Constitution last week. Very cool to see some of the original timbers and such. Thanks for the Interesting vid!
Your videos are consistently brilliant. I have to ask: of your sources, how many are open source (i.e., generally available to the public), and how many are not? I.e., how many have you had to subscribe (and pay) for...and are there any which you have had to use some special research methods or connections to find?
PLA's most recent military engagement: Firing on their own civilians in the tiananmen square massacre.
USS Constitution is a rocket ship, manned by robots.
Whatever I don't play Fallout 4, I just know it.
with insane range, LOL
I'd love to see a video about Italy's Navy, "Regia Marina", during WWII. Thanks for the great videos!
As much as I love your videos, I'd say stick to historical content for the time being. That said, still one of the better videos out there on this and I really appreciate time and effort that went into it.
Doesn't the US navy atm have a huge issue with just the age and maintenance of it's fleet with many ships nearing retirement ages within years of each other and no budget being put aside to keep ships in service and keep them maintained in general.
Source or GTFO
Good question, Carde. I do know that back in the 1980's, Secretary Lehman was pushing for an expansion to a six hundred ship navy (under President Reagan), including four battleships (all of which are now museum ships) and fifteen carriers (some of which were aging conventional fuel powered ships).
One class of ships that was a cornerstone of U.S. Navy rebuilding back in the 1970's were the Spruance class ASW destroyers. Another was the Perry class Frigates. My understanding is that *all* units of *both* classes have been withdrawn from service.
The Burke class that was mentioned in the video is another class that deserves special mention. The earliest ships of the class had no helicopter support facilities on board. Sure, they had a landing platform, but they had no hangar support, so their ability to operate the heloes was limited. The follow-up Baseline II Burke class ships *did* have the hangar and support facilities for helicopters, but in order to add that capability to the ship design, the designers had to remove the towed SONAR array system.
With the loss of the Spruance and Perry classes of ships, both of which possessed helicopter support *and* towed SONAR arrays, the Navy, in my opinion, lost a great deal of flexibility in the ASW mission; one whose importance was pointed out in text in this video that mentioned how all of the new Chinese surface warships in production have helicopter support facilities on board.
Carde they have a huge issue with not crashing into container ships haha
Of note is the fact that the United States is interested in maintaining the status quo, while the Chinese are interested in disrupting it. China's most immediate goal is to seize control of the South China Sea, and in the long term probably to reclaim Taiwan and to establish a hegemony or soft Empire in Southeast Asia. The United States is intent on preventing all of these things from happening, as its interest has been (for the past 70 years or so) promoting Global Stability. (It's success in doing so is a different matter entirely.) China lacks both the ability and the desire to be a global power (or Hegemon, depending on what term you prefer) on the scale of the US. Namely, they don't want to have to have forces all around the globe protecting allies, constantly engage in low-intensity fighting with terrorists and criminals, or bow to International Institutions. China's goals are more regional and Nationalistic: reclaiming old territories, expanding the economy into developing markets, gaining regional allies, and securing prestige for the Chinese people. These goals directly contradict with an America-like status of Global Hegemon. (World's Policeman, is the other term used.) The worry isn't China replacing a weakened US; the worry is that, should the US weaken, there will be no one else willing to keep the peace.
That was a very insightful comment, was also good because it was rather neutral, simply stating both sides desire
rather then either being inherently good or bad.
Keep the modern videos coming.
4 years have gone by. It’s time for a sequel to this video.
hi
hey
Excellent like always. Thank you for being so rational, measured and informative in a place like TH-cam so full of stupid chauvinist videos.
well done
This video is fucking amazing , do more!
Chinese Navy? That's cute
We don't have a navy, we just have Army boiz that can swim.
Unless the Chinese change the name of their Navy from the Peoples Liberation Army Navy to something far less stupid, I say we declare war immediately.
savage
thats english translation, in chinese is more like : People's Liberation Navy
I hope so!
wait till you see the People's Liberation Army Naval Airforce
TheLoyalOfficer it's less cumbersome in Chinese. and when they visit other counties, sometimes the ships/hats/banners just say "china navy" or "china airforce" makes it easier for the hosts I guess
I wonder how many people know that Captain Ironsides got his name from the USS Constitution's nickname "Old Ironsides" which she got due to her hull being so tough that British cannonballs would often simply bounce off.
I think it might have been worth noting that a part of the US Amphibious Ships are in fact amphibious assault ships which launch planes. This could be noted as a bigger force multiplyer than an amphibious transport ship launching hoovercraft.
Other then that minor note, great video! Really enjoyed it
also china has never run a successful nuclear submarine patrol
how do you know this?
Its not secret or anything,
the main reason is probably is that a few years ago they put all of their best submarine personel on a ship for cross training and the ship sank, most of them died.
that and they have never focused on submarines in their navy, they have them but they more interested in other stuff i guess.
Also im not saying they dont have the ability to do it, its just they have never done it.
and if a US china war came to be and anyone started using nukes we would all be screwed anyway, so i guess the point is kinda mute.
china can only reach US homeland by ICBMs; US can only disable china's war ability by ICBMs. that why there is peace
Jon DeJoy I heard that before and brought it up once and someone posted (in a forum) a Chinese tv documentary literally showing nuclear subs on patrol( was about food in navy) so yea...
The bottom line is how well the wartime experience of the sailors and officers between the Chinese navy and the US Navy.
The Chinese are inexperienced and under trained. Another consideration is what allies' actions will add to the lethality to the US Navy and Chinese navy? The Chinese can rely on North Korea navy to come to their aid. The US can rely upon NATO nations and the United Kingdom nations as well as India.
The Chinese navy will last maybe two weeks to a month after hostilities begin.
PLA generals are all mouth and no action. Those cowards will be found hiding under their beds.
true the only thing china has is a prolonged land war of attrition which is all they really got and that to will not be enough to save there asses. unless they go though several minor conflicts and or a civil war which will give them said experience that is. other wise they like you said stand no chance especially when NATO is involved. cause NATO alone is enough to render china's navy useless for china will have to fight multiple nation's fleets at once not just the US fleet.
Shawn McDonald but what if Russian Pacific fleet involved in war this is might be table turn
@@TheT3MK4 The Chicoms and Russians hate each other.
@@TheT3MK4 Why would the Russians get involved? Americans sinking Chinese, Chinese sinking Americans, Americans flattening all the Chinese naval yards and war factories, would all make the Russian navy relatively more powerful - as well as giving them a huge export market as places like Dalian would likely be glowing under the impact of 100+ Tomahawks within the first half hour of any war....
In fact the only coastal province likely to have any factories or power stations left after the first hour of Tomahawk bombardment would be Guangdong, due to its importance in producing consumer goods....
The Russian Navy is also largely nonexistent. Most of their ships have been in dock for decades and aren't in any shape to sail much less fight in blue water. That's aside from the fact that Russia attacking the US navy would be risking a nuclear exchange. Putin's an egotistical fool but even he isn't that stupid.
I like this new direction
We need another vídeo about this Topic now in 2021