It was 4 am and the whole Dutch community was watching, seeing if Ramin could make us proud again. Thank you Ramin for this beauty! NEDERLAND REPRESENT!
Really happy for Mr. R - beating ZeRo was seriously one of his toughest demons yet, so proud for him. And great game from ZeRo too, he wasn't making it easy for him and it came down to the wire; amazing set.
Mr. R deserved this so much. The dash dancing was ridiculous, lol, but very effective. Solid combos using perfect pivots, and very consistent with those throw to footstool follow-ups too. A pleasure to watch.
The dash dance is specifically a timing mixup out of double jab - not really a neutral tool. Normally Sheik can ftilt or grab (for shields) out of jab, but SDI down + spotdodge can avoid both options at low to mid percents with non-floaties. The spotdodge becomes predictable, so R dashes in place as a soft read because he can still react to roll behind, or just grab anyways if his opponent sits in shield for too long. If ZeRo whiffs a dtilt after getting jabbed, he still gets grabbed. It's the best OS in Sheik's CQC kit right now, but only Ramen is using it. People ask why Ramen is better than VoiD, this is why. Labbing Sheik's raw advantage is much more important than her combos and 50/50s.
I honestly feel like Zero has to either step up his diddy play a bit or pick up a secondary, cause I think his strategy is a lot less effective than it used to be. Maybe Diddy Kong is just overrated, after all I think that the smash 4 meta is becoming more of a "best jank" meta.
SammyColon204 As not always being in top 8 like before. The meta rn is more about punishes than neutral game and Sheik SUCKS at punishing. Also the fact that rage exists and how much Sheik struggles to get a kill hurts her really hard in the meta. VoiD thinks Sheik isnt top 5 anymore. Im not saying she is a bad character, but she isnt as good as many people think.
Void got second at dreamhack so still viable it’s more so the players . so it’s mainly understanding the matchups that are tougher for sheik, such as Mario, Diddy, etc
Neko Medic He stopped enjoying playing sheik iirc. Diddy had a better fit style for him post patch. His sheik is very spacing heavy and safe, which Sheik lost a lot of after 1.1.5
DocKarioSmash Most importantly for him she lost her consistency. Down throw up air was a consistent kill setup for her, and she lost her absurd spacing. Banana>Up Smash and Dtilt>Up smash are super consistent kill combos, and he likes that consistency in kill ability
cant tell if its sarcasm but in case it isnt you are dumb asf , diddy is the 2nd best character in the game behind bayo and some people think he is stronger than bayo.
Claiming that diddy is second best is not a fact. Cloud is possibly even more commonly placed at 2. Also I have never heard anybody say diddy is better than bayo in my life.
VirgateSpy i dont know about that anymore. VoiD doesnt think Sheik is top 5 because of how this meta is revolving about punishes and Sheik sucks at that. She was consistently getting top 8 placements and now she isnt. At this rate she will fall from top 5 if she is still there. I think she is 5th at the very best and i think she will keep falling. Rage and struggling to get a kill are a bad combination in this game.
How should that not of happened? Mr. R edgeguarded ZeRo and took his stock like he planned. That's like saying Sheik shouldn't have people live until 150%+ and have Sheik die at 80% due to her being super light and having trouble killing therefore giving the players max rage. Every character has or needs a weakness. Don't be salty. Mr. R just played better.
Osiris197 I hate sheik because her fair is still safe which means that statements about fair not being safe are wrong. Her mobility and frame data allow her to get hits constantly allowing her to have the best neutral
Damn, some people in the sm4sh community are so fucking annoying. Stop constantly bitching about wether somebody wins or loses. Stop bitching about when someone gets gimped, or janked, its part of the fucking game, and always will be. If a player gets cheesed its their own fault for putting themselves in that position, or choosing the character they use. All you for glory scrubs, and scrub players just need to stfu, and learn how to play the game. Mr. R beat Zero (currently best player in the world) fair, and square. Zero was out played, and Mr.R showed what he's really capable of so give props when its due, and just enjoy the game regardless of stats, ranks, or tiers.... at the end of the day, its just a video game, and nothing more
Damn, some people in the sm4sh community are so fucking annoying. Stop constantly bitching about wether somebody wins or loses. Stop bitching about when someone gets gimped, or janked, its part of the fucking game, and always will be. If a player gets cheesed its their own fault for putting themselves in that position, or choosing the character they use. All you for glory scrubs, and scrub players just need to stfu, and learn how to play the game. Mr. R beat Zero (currently best player in the world) fair, and square. Zero was out played, and Mr.R showed what he's really capable of so give props when its due, and just enjoy the game regardless of stats, ranks, or tiers.... at the end of the day, its just a video game, and nothing more
While I agree with you, you're super tryharding while being right and you're heated about something you shouldn't even be heated about. The flaw in this is that you're obviously frustrated with other people who take the game too seriously, which you seem to be taking too seriously. As for "just a video game" this is the livelihood of many people, so that's not a fair thing to say.
Kemu the Emu i admit i may have had a semi melt down, but these toxic people in the community will drive away the true essence of the game, which is having fun... i guess I'm wrong for having an opinion, and getting upset
best player in the world zero? i'd disagree, he has become way too predictable, using the same character with the same strategy, over and over and over again. the meta is advancing, and diddy is no longer what he used to be. people know how to deal with him now.
You think ZeRo isn’t the best player in world? Who is then? Salem, MKLeo, Tweek? ZeRo is still the best player and he hasn’t become predictable, people are just catching up to him after a year. Game 4, ZeRo had a solid lead against Mr. R and only lost bc he got gimped, other than that ZeRo was playing really good and he has the best neutral in the world. As for him using diddy with the same strategy over and over, tell me what diddy kong mains that don’t play like ZeRo have won as many s tier events that he has won? None. He plays diddy kong the most consistently out of anybody. People are catching up is all, ZeRo is still number one, it might change for our last big s tier event this year but he’s still number one if salem doesn’t win anything.
If ZeRo was still the best player in the world, he would practically not lose smash battles, the fact that Mr. R has won him and also that it is the third time he does it gives the meaning that little by little the level of ZeRo is reaching and possibly others are also doing it little by little too, do not expect that others like Salem, MKLeo, Tweek will not remain as they are and will continue to be inferior to ZeRo for all eternity, because the world does not work that way, everyone improves, train, all that is learned with the defeats that is what they got fighting with ZeRo including Mr. R and now just look how much better, well yes, maybe ZeRo is still the best player but we must also admit that others are reaching their level, ZeRo is gradually losing that title with the defeats that it is already suffering.
Juan Elias Zerpa so because their set count is 3-Something a lot higher than 3, he’s not the best? He has more total wins than losses, and has a losing record vs literally nobody. To say he isn’t the best is blatantly untrue.
Why does people think Salem and Tweek (lmfao) are contenders for the best player over Nairo ? Those two players are using OP characters ffs. ZeRo is still the best, and i doubt that will change anytime soon you like it or not. Just because he got 16th he isnt the best anymore ? Do you even know Tweek and Salem's worst placings ?... ZeRo and Nairo are the most consistent players atm, Salem, Tweek and Leo are nowhere near as consistent as them.
Jona Ruiz He still is. Nairo and Leo are the only players that come close to ZeRo. Salem is almost there just because of an OP character so he doesnt counts.
Ramin's movement in neutral is beautiful. Dash dancing, wave bouncing, amazing.
SumDudeOnTheStreet he sometimes used it as a mixup when recovering off of the ledge
He didn't wavebounce, he did b-reverse tho.
I mean wave bouncing in general not just this match
Luigi Gamer you're one of the more positive people I consistently see in the community, happy to see you around =D
Thank you, I appreciate it. It's just sad that the smash community is so toxic...
THE PRESSURE
THE CONDITIONING
THE CONVERSIONS
RAMIN HOLY SHIT
Mr.r didn’t flop at game 5?! Well thats weird
Finally Mr. R has luck on his side. One of the best sets of the year imo, watching this live was so hype
ThePokéYoshi not luck. Mr R just outplayed ZeRo and was the better player today.
Oh I agree but sometimes he outplays his opponent and still loses due to his infamous bad luck and that wasn't the case here
I was looking for this set ever since I heard Mr.R defeated Zero
Props to mr r. Really unfortunate that he couldn’t make top 8
i fucking jumped out my chair when i saw the ending DAMN
It was 4 am and the whole Dutch community was watching, seeing if Ramin could make us proud again. Thank you Ramin for this beauty! NEDERLAND REPRESENT!
HOLLAND BOYS
gameandflogchannel zeker
FINALLY I CAN'T WAIT TO ANALYZE THIS
The last game tho....
DBZ moment
This set was insane!!! Great work by both players. Mr. R's edge guarding was spectacular
Hypest set of the tournament
Thanks for posting this and the Grand Final.
This set was savage... Neither player holding back and just slugging it out. Never seen such scary sheik. Very intense.
I was screaming throughout the whole set. Well played by both of them
Set of the year right here, Ramin played out of his mind.
Ramin finally did it again. almost a year and a half.
Boze Phanlo he took a set at royal flush tho
ah heck i forgot about the reset.
Really happy for Mr. R - beating ZeRo was seriously one of his toughest demons yet, so proud for him. And great game from ZeRo too, he wasn't making it easy for him and it came down to the wire; amazing set.
How did ZeRo slide like that after his short hop at 7:20? It almost looks like some kind of wavedash, but that can't be right
windbox from the second part of vanish
I was watching this on stream when they were about to start Game 5, and my Wifi crashed. Good ending tho
Mr. R deserved this so much. The dash dancing was ridiculous, lol, but very effective. Solid combos using perfect pivots, and very consistent with those throw to footstool follow-ups too. A pleasure to watch.
The dash dance is specifically a timing mixup out of double jab - not really a neutral tool. Normally Sheik can ftilt or grab (for shields) out of jab, but SDI down + spotdodge can avoid both options at low to mid percents with non-floaties. The spotdodge becomes predictable, so R dashes in place as a soft read because he can still react to roll behind, or just grab anyways if his opponent sits in shield for too long. If ZeRo whiffs a dtilt after getting jabbed, he still gets grabbed.
It's the best OS in Sheik's CQC kit right now, but only Ramen is using it. People ask why Ramen is better than VoiD, this is why. Labbing Sheik's raw advantage is much more important than her combos and 50/50s.
That is one of the most insane endings I have ever seen.
Set of the event
I think Mr. R is trying to get the run back from his first EVO encounter with Zero back in 05. Good stuff Ramen :P
OH MY GOD YESS!!!
WAY TO GO MR. R! I LOVE U SO MUCH RIGHT NOW!
Holy shit. That was one hell of a set.
ずっと尊敬する相手であり、EVO決勝で負けた時からライバルであったZeRoに勝てて本当によかった！！
おれZeRo信者やけど
When are you going to upload the other matches? I know that at very least Leo vs Larry is missing.
Great commentating!!
aww he finally won
It’s about damn time
Finally, thanks Jmex. Also, let's fucking go Ramin! They both played amazing.
I honestly feel like Zero has to either step up his diddy play a bit or pick up a secondary, cause I think his strategy is a lot less effective than it used to be. Maybe Diddy Kong is just overrated, after all I think that the smash 4 meta is becoming more of a "best jank" meta.
MR.R! MR.R! MR.R! He worked so hard for that one
Third time Mr R has beaten Zero. Congratulations
3rd time watching this set. It was fantastic
Most underrated set of 2017
zero could have survived if he charged his barrels a little more
Mr. R is the reason why I main Sheik...but I'll never reach his level tho lol 🙃🙃
SammyColon204 Sheik is falling off.
Revenant wym falling off??
SammyColon204 As not always being in top 8 like before.
The meta rn is more about punishes than neutral game and Sheik SUCKS at punishing.
Also the fact that rage exists and how much Sheik struggles to get a kill hurts her really hard in the meta.
VoiD thinks Sheik isnt top 5 anymore.
Im not saying she is a bad character, but she isnt as good as many people think.
Void got second at dreamhack so still viable it’s more so the players . so it’s mainly understanding the matchups that are tougher for sheik, such as Mario, Diddy, etc
This set was fucking lit
Ive always see Mr. R do perfect pivot f tilt to the left never the right. Im the same when I play sheik
I'm actually the opposite lmao, can PP ftilts to the right consistently but doing it to the left is so hard.
Stocke it's all in the wrist flick. Not the thumb
Lets fucking go!!!
in order to win as shiek you have to be 100X better than your opponent please buff sheik sakurai
How did Zero slide like that after a shorthop?
th-cam.com/video/425O6QjcYTA/w-d-xo.html
Who else thought mr r was gonna disappoint once again on game 5? 😂
Pretty set
Mr. R beat ZeRo at WTFox 2. That was the first time he beat him as well.
Perciprius Also took a set off him at CEO Dreamland
irodhd No he didn’t lol
Perciprius Sorry not CEO dreamland! I meant Royal Flush
irodhd Ok
Mr.r didn't choke in the last game 😱
stylish play
TOP 10 ANIME ENDINGS
Next Zeros video : Sheik should be banned, my opinion.
*opeenion
DeathZelta ewe Silly, Zero doesn’t upload!
DeathZelta ewe What meme does your profile pic come from
My ohpeeenyon
no wonder he retired
Lol this has more views than grand finals
ZeRo hates it so much when he loses to sheik, you can tell
He WAS a Sheik main.
he was, then she got nerfed and decided to ragequit instead of adapting.
Neko Medic He stopped enjoying playing sheik iirc. Diddy had a better fit style for him post patch. His sheik is very spacing heavy and safe, which Sheik lost a lot of after 1.1.5
DocKarioSmash Most importantly for him she lost her consistency. Down throw up air was a consistent kill setup for her, and she lost her absurd spacing. Banana>Up Smash and Dtilt>Up smash are super consistent kill combos, and he likes that consistency in kill ability
DocKarioSmash Do you even know what a ragequit is? Also, your talking about the guy who kept playing diddy after 2 huge nerfs
Diddy is so damn exploitable off stage.
good, it shows the character has weaknesses and isn't OP
Dude diddy sucks.
cant tell if its sarcasm but in case it isnt you are dumb asf , diddy is the 2nd best character in the game behind bayo and some people think he is stronger than bayo.
the meta is advancing, people know how to deal with top tiers now.
it happened to sheik in melee... and brawl... and smash 4... the irony.
Claiming that diddy is second best is not a fact. Cloud is possibly even more commonly placed at 2. Also I have never heard anybody say diddy is better than bayo in my life.
The jetpack tho
Imagine Mr R's movement + VoiD's combos, the ultimate Sheik.
VirgateSpy Sheik sucks anyway.
Revenant lol no
VirgateSpy she doesnt sucks but she isnt that good anymore. She is falling off.
Sheik is still top 5, fam, no idea what you talking about.
VirgateSpy i dont know about that anymore.
VoiD doesnt think Sheik is top 5 because of how this meta is revolving about punishes and Sheik sucks at that.
She was consistently getting top 8 placements and now she isnt.
At this rate she will fall from top 5 if she is still there.
I think she is 5th at the very best and i think she will keep falling.
Rage and struggling to get a kill are a bad combination in this game.
Mr. r deserved that win!
Hold on, you're telling me Mr.R didn't -do the Mr.R special- choke???
Love Ramin and Sheik uwu
Then Nairo happened.
GG EZ
The play of these two people does not know what there is really
I luv Mr r
zero's diddy is sooo annoying
all diddys who abuse the banana are annoying.
12:04 shouldn’t have happened.
I swear I’m the only person who genuinely hated this set.
It's called a gimp. It happens all the time in Smash 4.
Dreadfury it’s the equivalent of Fox shine off stage and then as you try to recover getting shined again, it just happens and people accept it
Thorozak_ Exactly, welcome to Smash in general, gimps have always and will always be a thing.
It's as dumb as saying that spikes on people off stage are dumb
How should that not of happened? Mr. R edgeguarded ZeRo and took his stock like he planned. That's like saying Sheik shouldn't have people live until 150%+ and have Sheik die at 80% due to her being super light and having trouble killing therefore giving the players max rage. Every character has or needs a weakness. Don't be salty. Mr. R just played better.
Watch zero start playing sheik. Diddy kong is garbage.
Hate sheik but that was very entertaining to watch
Reggie Sova Same
Osiris197 link main things
Reggie Sova I don’t understand. Are you saying “like many things”?
Osiris197 I hate sheik because her fair is still safe which means that statements about fair not being safe are wrong. Her mobility and frame data allow her to get hits constantly allowing her to have the best neutral
Z- past I'm a link main. We generally tend to hate sheik unless of course we're attempting to save her from the great king of evil
So skilled player Vs down tilt up smash
SD-Dany No, more like OP frame data vs skilled player that still mains a character after two huge nerfs.
Don’t confuse tech skill for real skill. These players are both incredible, don’t talk shit.
Damn, some people in the sm4sh community are so fucking annoying. Stop constantly bitching about wether somebody wins or loses. Stop bitching about when someone gets gimped, or janked, its part of the fucking game, and always will be. If a player gets cheesed its their own fault for putting themselves in that position, or choosing the character they use. All you for glory scrubs, and scrub players just need to stfu, and learn how to play the game. Mr. R beat Zero (currently best player in the world) fair, and square. Zero was out played, and Mr.R showed what he's really capable of so give props when its due, and just enjoy the game regardless of stats, ranks, or tiers.... at the end of the day, its just a video game, and nothing more
chill fam
Damn, some people in the sm4sh community are so fucking annoying. Stop constantly bitching about wether somebody wins or loses. Stop bitching about when someone gets gimped, or janked, its part of the fucking game, and always will be. If a player gets cheesed its their own fault for putting themselves in that position, or choosing the character they use. All you for glory scrubs, and scrub players just need to stfu, and learn how to play the game. Mr. R beat Zero (currently best player in the world) fair, and square. Zero was out played, and Mr.R showed what he's really capable of so give props when its due, and just enjoy the game regardless of stats, ranks, or tiers.... at the end of the day, its just a video game, and nothing more
While I agree with you, you're super tryharding while being right and you're heated about something you shouldn't even be heated about. The flaw in this is that you're obviously frustrated with other people who take the game too seriously, which you seem to be taking too seriously. As for "just a video game" this is the livelihood of many people, so that's not a fair thing to say.
TheRebornBowser whats the point of repeating exactly what i said? has this become a thing?
Kemu the Emu i admit i may have had a semi melt down, but these toxic people in the community will drive away the true essence of the game, which is having fun... i guess I'm wrong for having an opinion, and getting upset
Lame that Mr. R won.
best player in the world zero?
i'd disagree, he has become way too predictable, using the same character with the same strategy, over and over and over again.
the meta is advancing, and diddy is no longer what he used to be.
people know how to deal with him now.
You think ZeRo isn’t the best player in world? Who is then? Salem, MKLeo, Tweek? ZeRo is still the best player and he hasn’t become predictable, people are just catching up to him after a year. Game 4, ZeRo had a solid lead against Mr. R and only lost bc he got gimped, other than that ZeRo was playing really good and he has the best neutral in the world. As for him using diddy with the same strategy over and over, tell me what diddy kong mains that don’t play like ZeRo have won as many s tier events that he has won? None. He plays diddy kong the most consistently out of anybody. People are catching up is all, ZeRo is still number one, it might change for our last big s tier event this year but he’s still number one if salem doesn’t win anything.
If ZeRo was still the best player in the world, he would practically not lose smash battles, the fact that Mr. R has won him and also that it is the third time he does it gives the meaning that little by little the level of ZeRo is reaching and possibly others are also doing it little by little too, do not expect that others like Salem, MKLeo, Tweek will not remain as they are and will continue to be inferior to ZeRo for all eternity, because the world does not work that way, everyone improves, train, all that is learned with the defeats that is what they got fighting with ZeRo including Mr. R and now just look how much better, well yes, maybe ZeRo is still the best player but we must also admit that others are reaching their level, ZeRo is gradually losing that title with the defeats that it is already suffering.
Juan Elias Zerpa so because their set count is 3-Something a lot higher than 3, he’s not the best? He has more total wins than losses, and has a losing record vs literally nobody. To say he isn’t the best is blatantly untrue.
Why does people think Salem and Tweek (lmfao) are contenders for the best player over Nairo ? Those two players are using OP characters ffs.
ZeRo is still the best, and i doubt that will change anytime soon you like it or not.
Just because he got 16th he isnt the best anymore ? Do you even know Tweek and Salem's worst placings ?...
ZeRo and Nairo are the most consistent players atm, Salem, Tweek and Leo are nowhere near as consistent as them.
lol mr.r beating the "best player in the world" 😂
Jona Ruiz He still is.
Nairo and Leo are the only players that come close to ZeRo.
Salem is almost there just because of an OP character so he doesnt counts.