I love RB2B. I love everything about your content, Adam. However, Clark is smart and has a strong point from around the 17min to 20min , the intent behind the consent given (and that can be proven). And I do think the response on RB2B's suggestion of updating the privacy policy makes sense, but, there is no guarantee that implementors of RB2B will follow it, nor that even if you control the script that there would be a legitimate consent or acceptance/decline that guarantees that the script will fire/not fire, nor that they legitimately would accept it should they read or understand it (and this, built on the premise that absolutely nobody reads privacy or cookie policies nor even the consent banners that pop-up). Also, I think the debate could have done better with a bit more of Shantosh's neutrality in the beginning. Clark, couldn't answer when the "security camera" question/analogy came up, though, so the argument is not invincible, and saying that Ronin's business doesn't come at all from Outbound, although it gives credibility from his standpoint, is not a common endeavor, and loses legitimacy because not all businesses can bring new business by excluding Outbound in every way, shape or form. So that last piece just built a bit more on Clark's ego, but I think you both had a legitimate discussion. We live in a highly unethical world overall. How many things happen to us without consent? Let's talk about ethics then, Clark and Adam. Because yes, like in the business card example Shantosh gave, I freely gave my business card, but then, if someone ends up (in different extremes) 1) stealing or abusing my identity because of the data in it, or 2) spamming the crap out of me afterwards, you see, even though I voluntarily gave it away, my consent and intention stemming from my action was built around the premise of them doing business or forging a postive relationship with me, not that I'd get scammed or spammed. So, in this case, is my consent truly legitimate? In any court case you'd win, but does that make what happened moral/ethical? Can the law be unethical even if it can (in paper) be skewed in your favor? Well, we'd be too innocent to think it couldn't be unethical. I'd pay for a live virtual Round 2 discussion on this topic, but if you guys invited two types of people: 1) a reputable lawyer, and 2) a philosopher. This made my Friday! LOL Cheers.
Great breakdown, thank you! Great idea on the getting a reputable lawyer but who is to say I am not a philosopher?? 😂😂😂 Keep tuning in, bigger and better is on the horizon.
Have you conducted an unbiased survey on how many organizations and marketers think 6sense 'sucks'? Curious to look at the results + the sample criteria, method and survey questions used to conduct your study.
I love RB2B. I love everything about your content, Adam.
However, Clark is smart and has a strong point from around the 17min to 20min , the intent behind the consent given (and that can be proven).
And I do think the response on RB2B's suggestion of updating the privacy policy makes sense, but, there is no guarantee that implementors of RB2B will follow it, nor that even if you control the script that there would be a legitimate consent or acceptance/decline that guarantees that the script will fire/not fire, nor that they legitimately would accept it should they read or understand it (and this, built on the premise that absolutely nobody reads privacy or cookie policies nor even the consent banners that pop-up). Also, I think the debate could have done better with a bit more of Shantosh's neutrality in the beginning.
Clark, couldn't answer when the "security camera" question/analogy came up, though, so the argument is not invincible, and saying that Ronin's business doesn't come at all from Outbound, although it gives credibility from his standpoint, is not a common endeavor, and loses legitimacy because not all businesses can bring new business by excluding Outbound in every way, shape or form. So that last piece just built a bit more on Clark's ego, but I think you both had a legitimate discussion.
We live in a highly unethical world overall. How many things happen to us without consent? Let's talk about ethics then, Clark and Adam. Because yes, like in the business card example Shantosh gave, I freely gave my business card, but then, if someone ends up (in different extremes) 1) stealing or abusing my identity because of the data in it, or 2) spamming the crap out of me afterwards, you see, even though I voluntarily gave it away, my consent and intention stemming from my action was built around the premise of them doing business or forging a postive relationship with me, not that I'd get scammed or spammed. So, in this case, is my consent truly legitimate? In any court case you'd win, but does that make what happened moral/ethical? Can the law be unethical even if it can (in paper) be skewed in your favor? Well, we'd be too innocent to think it couldn't be unethical.
I'd pay for a live virtual Round 2 discussion on this topic, but if you guys invited two types of people: 1) a reputable lawyer, and 2) a philosopher.
This made my Friday! LOL
Cheers.
Great breakdown, thank you!
Great idea on the getting a reputable lawyer but who is to say I am not a philosopher?? 😂😂😂
Keep tuning in, bigger and better is on the horizon.
Have you conducted an unbiased survey on how many organizations and marketers think 6sense 'sucks'? Curious to look at the results + the sample criteria, method and survey questions used to conduct your study.
Adam’s boomer comment made me cry… that’s actually how we think tho
😂😂